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Title: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 07 June 2010, 18:00
Just out of interest how many people on here have had trackers fitted to there highly desirable motor cars?

Had a rep down from CobraTrak today sounds very good indeed.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 07 June 2010, 18:04
how about a "I am not telling you!" option  :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 18:09
I used to have a tracker mortgage many years ago. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 07 June 2010, 18:11
I used to have a tracker mortgage many years ago. :lipsrsealed:

Bloody cracker :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 07 June 2010, 20:39
I like Jacobs cream crackers.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 07 June 2010, 21:06
Just out of interest how many people on here have had trackers fitted to there highly desirable motor cars?

Wont be many trackers fitted to GTD's then! :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 07 June 2010, 21:33
Yeah much less desirable at the moment compared to gti's thats why there is so many more gti's for sale..................
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 07 June 2010, 21:36
Yeah much less desirable at the moment compared to gti's thats why there is so many more gti's for sale..................

Just slightly off topic but evo can you get any discount on edition30 gearknobs?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 07 June 2010, 21:38
I dont know why not.........
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 21:43
Yeah much less desirable  at the moment compared to gti's thats why there is so many more gti's for sale..................

Which one is more desirable, please?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 07 June 2010, 21:52
I am not saying this because I own one but at the moment from a salesman with direct contact day to day with the wanting public it is the gtd that people want more at the moment. GTI styling which is great but with superb economy a cracking package. What everyone wants with the fuel prices at the moment and certainly going forward is a car that looks great which the gti and gtd do, goes reasonably well and doesnt hurt the pocket, £110 for 12 months tax yes please, same as a 1.9tdi mk5! With my car averaging 41 mpg doing a 1.5 journey through Cheltenham everyday and 55/60 on a steady run thats got to be 15/20mpg better than a gti! Now it has to be said I love both cars.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 22:02
Hi evo.

Your post was confusing. Hence my question as I was being pedantic. :smiley:
Yes the GTD + DSG is in high demand and keeps its value better. I've driven one and it is a fabulous car. It is the car I should have bought but I was a bit anti derv at the time.

Regarding the Ed30 gear selector, it is a back order item. I got mine through my dealer and it came straight from Germany. It took 5 working days. I got a small discount and paid £179 inc VAT.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 07 June 2010, 22:04

Regarding the Ed30 gear selector, it is a back order item. I got mine through my dealer and it came straight from Germany. It took 5 working days. I got a small discount and paid £179 inc VAT.

You know the rules AMW1, pics needed! :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 07 June 2010, 22:07
Hope you Gtd knockers read evo's posting about it being in demand :smug:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 22:08
Regarding the Ed30 gear selector, it is a back order item. I got mine through my dealer and it came straight from Germany. It took 5 working days. I got a small discount and paid £179 inc VAT.
You know the rules AMW1, pics needed! :grin:

Will do.
Rear LEDs + Gear selector. :smiley:
Wednesday fitting.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 07 June 2010, 22:15
Hope you Gtd knockers read evo's posting about it being in demand :smug:

Only messing with you :wink:

Nearly bought a soot chucker , went for test drive , loved it but dealer would'nt do me a good deal. So it was a choice of do i pay £24,500 for a used 09 GTD or £21,300 for a brand new 59 GTI
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 07 June 2010, 22:24
Yea no problems!! Gti is good as well :tongue:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 22:28
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 07 June 2010, 22:33
I am not saying this because I own one but at the moment from a salesman with direct contact day to day with the wanting public it is the gtd that people want more at the moment. GTI styling which is great but with superb economy a cracking package. What everyone wants with the fuel prices at the moment and certainly going forward is a car that looks great which the gti and gtd do, goes reasonably well and doesnt hurt the pocket, £110 for 12 months tax yes please, same as a 1.9tdi mk5! With my car averaging 41 mpg doing a 1.5 journey through Cheltenham everyday and 55/60 on a steady run thats got to be 15/20mpg better than a gti! Now it has to be said I love both cars.

I love that salesman talk, just say the truth. People want the GTD because its a) cheaper and b) cause they cant afford a GTI.

It doesnt make the GTD more desirable, because anyone with half a brain that could afford both would simply not choose a GTD.

You'll probably find a Corsa sells more than a GTI, that more desirable too ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 07 June 2010, 22:33
How long you planing keeping the gti?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 07 June 2010, 22:34
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 07 June 2010, 22:47
I can understand both Kev's and evo's viewpoints.
In my case, I can afford to run a real gas guzzler (up to a point! :rolleyes:) but I choose not to as I want reasonably good value for money plus some style. I think both the Golf GTD and GTi fit the bill quite nicely.
However, the GTD is better value for money.
Slightly off topic, but the Mecedes 350 CDI Sport 7 Speed Auto gives better fuel consumption than the Golf GTi in city traffic, is probably quicker but its size prevents me using it daily due to parking problems.
I'll keep my GTi until March 2012 whence I will look very seriously to getting a Diesel Golf or similiar.

PS: By that time I will be of pensionable age. :laugh:

PPS: I can't believe I've been so diplomatic! :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 07 June 2010, 23:04
I can understand both Kev's and evo's viewpoints.
In my case, I can afford to run a real gas guzzler (up to a point! :rolleyes:) but I choose not to as I want reasonably good value for money plus some style. I think both the Golf GTD and GTi fit the bill quite nicely.
However, the GTD is better value for money.
Slightly off topic, but the Mecedes 350 CDI Sport 7 Speed Auto gives better fuel consumption than the Golf GTi in city traffic, is probably quicker but its size prevents me using it daily due to parking problems.
I'll keep my GTi until March 2012 whence I will look very seriously to getting a Diesel Golf or similiar.

PS: By that time I will be of pensionable age. :laugh:

PPS: I can't believe I've been so diplomatic! :grin:

I think that also sums up what I've said. Firstly there is absolutely nothing wrong with a GTD, ok its a Diesel, but apart from that its a great car. As you say mate, its better value for money ? Maybe yeah, but more desirable, I think not. To say a GTD is more desirable is frankly pretty laughable and something that I expect from a salesman...... oh wait a min.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 06:56
Not true Kev, in the showroom everyone wants the GTD simply becuse of the rip-off petrol prices in this country, with a remap you have the best of both worlds!! :cool:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 08:08
Not true Kev, in the showroom everyone wants the GTD simply becuse of the rip-off petrol prices in this country, with a remap you have the best of both worlds!! :cool:

Away and not f**kin annoy me anymore ffs. The GTI badge alone has been sought after for over 30 years. What you talking about remaps for ? Nothing to do with being desirable, I'm actually beginning to think you guys dont know what that means.

I've underlined the most important part for you. It should standout.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 08 June 2010, 08:16
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

R owners could say the same about the GTI :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 08 June 2010, 08:16
Are any of you lot actually going to answer the OP's question?  :huh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 08:27
Not true Kev, in the showroom everyone wants the GTD simply becuse of the rip-off petrol prices in this country, with a remap you have the best of both worlds!! :cool:

Away and not f**kin annoy me anymore ffs. The GTI badge alone has been sought after for over 30 years. What you talking about remaps for ? Nothing to do with being desirable, I'm actually beginning to think you guys dont know what that means.

I've underlined the most important part for you. It should standout.

GTI badge is in the past Kev  :grin: and no I dont want a tracker !!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Hartside on 08 June 2010, 08:29
How much is the tracker system fitted + ongoing subscriptions?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 11:16
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: RickS on 08 June 2010, 12:43
Not true Kev, in the showroom everyone wants the GTD simply becuse of the rip-off petrol prices in this country, with a remap you have the best of both worlds!! :cool:

Remapping is a load of b******s, if you don't want any warranty and more insurance it's fine. If you have it done and don't tell your insurance co you risk not being covered. If you want a car that's faster, buy one that's faster to start with.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: RickS on 08 June 2010, 12:46
Hope you Gtd knockers read evo's posting about it being in demand :smug:

Only messing with you :wink:

Nearly bought a soot chucker , went for test drive , loved it but dealer would'nt do me a good deal. So it was a choice of do i pay £24,500 for a used 09 GTD or £21,300 for a brand new 59 GTI

If you only paid £21300 for a new GTI with the spec as per your sig I'd be very surprised and you would have to introduce me to your dealer.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 12:49
Think he may well have had the other stuff retro fitted. Also he got it when VAT was 15% and there has been 2 price rises sinse so probably over 7% cheaper back then!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: RickS on 08 June 2010, 12:56
Think he may well have had the other stuff retro fitted. Also he got it when VAT was 15% and there has been 2 price rises sinse so probably over 7% cheaper back then!
Staying off topic for a while [again]
The basic GTI was about £23500 when I started looking at them last August, that's without any extras. No way you could get one for £21300, and if the other stuff was retro fitted it will have cost him a lot more. [LED's are retro but other stuff probably not]
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 12:57
Not true Kev, in the showroom everyone wants the GTD simply becuse of the rip-off petrol prices in this country, with a remap you have the best of both worlds!! :cool:

Away and not f**kin annoy me anymore ffs. The GTI badge alone has been sought after for over 30 years. What you talking about remaps for ? Nothing to do with being desirable, I'm actually beginning to think you guys dont know what that means.

I've underlined the most important part for you. It should standout.

GTI badge is in the past Kev  :grin: and no I dont want a tracker !!

Says the GTD owner.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 13:03
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.

Honestly I think I've fell into a hole and came out in coo-coo land.

The GTI is history, its what brought hot hatches into the world, its the badge, its the looks through the years, the famous interior, its the car itself, its the ownership, the DESIRABILITY of wanting to own one, the GTI is iconic, famous and hugely sought after.

No-one actually gives a toss about GTD's apart from GTD owners. It doesnt matter how the car runs, wither you can save 2p on fuel or wither you get 10 gazillion extra miles, or wither you can remap it to make it faster, its got absolutely no desirability at all, its a 2nd choice to someone that cant afford a GTI.

Seriously someone help me the f**k out here.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 08 June 2010, 13:12
I can kind of see where you are coming from Kev... but i didnt get the GTI because of any of those things you mentioned. I got it because its simply the alround best of the bunch!

...and I didnt want a diesel :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 13:14
Think he may well have had the other stuff retro fitted. Also he got it when VAT was 15% and there has been 2 price rises sinse so probably over 7% cheaper back then!
Staying off topic for a while [again]
The basic GTI was about £23500 when I started looking at them last August, that's without any extras. No way you could get one for £21300, and if the other stuff was retro fitted it will have cost him a lot more. [LED's are retro but other stuff probably not]

Considering you could of got 10-11% off a gti during points last year it certainly was possible, yes he has then possibly spent more on the car with toys like the rns510 and led's but the actual car probably would of cost him £21,300. Why would you make it up he has nothing to prove. You wont want to know how much I paid for mine then : )
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: p3asa on 08 June 2010, 13:14
Kev have you ever owned a Golf GTI before the MKVI model?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 13:16
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.

Honestly I think I've fell into a hole and came out in coo-coo land.

The GTI is history, its what brought hot hatches into the world, its the badge, its the looks through the years, the famous interior, its the car itself, its the ownership, the DESIRABILITY of wanting to own one, the GTI is iconic, famous and hugely sought after.

No-one actually gives a toss about GTD's apart from GTD owners. It doesnt matter how the car runs, wither you can save 2p on fuel or wither you get 10 gazillion extra miles, or wither you can remap it to make it faster, its got absolutely no desirability at all, its a 2nd choice to someone that cant afford a GTI.

Seriously someone help me the f**k out here.

eh eh calm down.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 13:18
Kev have you ever owned a Golf GTI before the MKVI model?

Nope, this is my first. I'm actually now on the look out for a nice little mk2.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 13:19
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.

Honestly I think I've fell into a hole and came out in coo-coo land.

The GTI is history, its what brought hot hatches into the world, its the badge, its the looks through the years, the famous interior, its the car itself, its the ownership, the DESIRABILITY of wanting to own one, the GTI is iconic, famous and hugely sought after.

No-one actually gives a toss about GTD's apart from GTD owners. It doesnt matter how the car runs, wither you can save 2p on fuel or wither you get 10 gazillion extra miles, or wither you can remap it to make it faster, its got absolutely no desirability at all, its a 2nd choice to someone that cant afford a GTI.

Seriously someone help me the f**k out here.

eh eh calm down.

Sure will, soon as you stop with the salesman GTD is more desirable than a GTI talk, next you'll be telling me a GTD is faster. Erm, wait a sec......
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 13:25
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: simonpolly on 08 June 2010, 13:30
Back on topic :wink:
I think it would be a bit irresponsible to answer the question about if you have or have not got a tracker fitted, after all this is a public forum.Whats your next question ? Where do we leave the keys at night?
 :wink: :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 13:34
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.

Honestly I think I've fell into a hole and came out in coo-coo land.

The GTI is history, its what brought hot hatches into the world, its the badge, its the looks through the years, the famous interior, its the car itself, its the ownership, the DESIRABILITY of wanting to own one, the GTI is iconic, famous and hugely sought after.

No-one actually gives a toss about GTD's apart from GTD owners. It doesnt matter how the car runs, wither you can save 2p on fuel or wither you get 10 gazillion extra miles, or wither you can remap it to make it faster, its got absolutely no desirability at all, its a 2nd choice to someone that cant afford a GTI.

Seriously someone help me the f**k out here.

I never bought the GTI for the badge Kev , I got them for the perfomance and the drive & the GTD is right next to it sorry to burst your bubble  :evil:I will always defend the GTD yes becuse I have one. I dont care what people say on here about the GTD its pure class with dare I say it to you DSG.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 13:38
Just curious from a customer facing role as to whether people out there have had it done or considered having it done or wrongfully perhaps not even offered it. I cant think of reasons apart from the cost as to why people wouldn't have it done. Perhaps I was just brain washed by the Cobra rep yesterday but think considering all the cars on here are desirable cars (some more than others : )) to be stolen I questioned why I didnt have it on mine.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 13:50
It's approx £450 fitted by my dealership. :wink:
They are offering a discount for fitting one to a GTi or was it a GTD? So confused now! :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 08 June 2010, 14:26
Think he may well have had the other stuff retro fitted. Also he got it when VAT was 15% and there has been 2 price rises sinse so probably over 7% cheaper back then!
Staying off topic for a while [again]
The basic GTI was about £23500 when I started looking at them last August, that's without any extras. No way you could get one for £21300, and if the other stuff was retro fitted it will have cost him a lot more. [LED's are retro but other stuff probably not]

I'm f**kcing telling u I paid £21300 for my gti thru an Internet broker. You can kiss my arse

AND as or you thinking my LED's are retro but the other stuff probably not try asking stevep who supplied and fitted the rearview camera and leds, the dodgy polish bloke who sold me the RNS510 and mortygt140 who coded the unit for me. DONT POST REPLY'S WHEN YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS PR1CK oh sorry rick!!

jealous cos you probably got ripped off by a dealer
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 14:35
Wont be many trackers fitted to GTD's then! :laugh: :laugh:

It's all your fault for causing such a major disruption. :wink: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 08 June 2010, 14:40
Wont be many trackers fitted to GTD's then! :laugh: :laugh:

It's all your fault for causing such a major disruption. :wink: :laugh:

it would be a boring forum if everyone agreed with each other. Winding people up makes it a bit more exciting. :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 14:43
Wont be many trackers fitted to GTD's then! :laugh: :laugh:
It's all your fault for causing such a major disruption. :wink: :laugh:
it would be a boring forum if everyone agreed with each other. Winding people up makes it a bit more exciting. :grin: :grin:

You are doing a great job winding the springs.
I've got my diplomatic hat on for a few days, then I'll let rip too! :laugh:
BTW: Can't find Smogland on any map. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 14:48
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................

Dear oh dear, because they are cheaper ? more economical and probably dont have an 8 month waiting list ?

Corsa's, Focus's sell more than GTD's and GTI's. You telling me that you have worked out how desirable a car is by what people ask for when they come in and by how many is sold ? Yeah, I'm the one thats not all there.

p.s. Just a little bit more info for you, just to confuse the hell out of you further, I bet more people go into dealers and ask for GTD's over lets say Audi R8's or say Mercielago's or even Veyron's. Must mean they are less desirable than a GTD  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: sundaydriver on 08 June 2010, 14:51
Just let rip AMW1, you know u want to!

Smogland is also known as Teeside, the chemical capital of the UK!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 14:57
Just let rip AMW1, you know u want to!
Smogland is also known as Teeside, the chemical capital of the UK!  :laugh:

Waiting to get the LEDs and Ed30 knob tomorrow.
Will start b!tching soon afterwards once I get my knob and arse rejuvinated. :grin:
Going through a serene and butch period at present! :rolleyes:
Both you and Kev are in full flight! :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:00
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................

Dear oh dear, because they are cheaper ? more economical and probably dont have an 8 month waiting list ?

Corsa's, Focus's sell more than GTD's and GTI's. You telling me that you have worked out how desirable a car is by what people ask for when they come in and by how many is sold ? Yeah, I'm the one thats not all there.

p.s. Just a little bit more info for you, just to confuse the hell out of you further, I bet more people go into dealers and ask for GTD's over lets say Audi R8's or say Mercielago's or even Veyron's. Must mean they are less desirable than a GTD  :laugh:


People walk in to us and have a choice of a gti and gtd in most cases and more people are choosing gtd's over gti's at the moment, I have never said a r8 is less desirable because they sell less that would be a stupid thing to say (which it is).

Simply people walk in to us and choose the gtd as it is a more desirable package at the moment I am sure if fuel was no object we would all drive r8's.

You are really not grasbing this are you, but I got that understanding pretty quickly

The gtd and gti are in the same allocation so lead time is the same, I recommend you dont comment on something you clearly know nothing about.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:06
I'll put a tracker on all your cars and then misfuel them! :tongue: :evil:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 15:06
If I had to buy again, it would definitely be a 5 door GTD+DSG, properly specced.
I would be spending less time and money in gas stations. :rolleyes:

There you go, that backs up exactly what I said a moment ago. Its all down to money, f**k all to do with the GTD being more desirable.  :grin:

Its more desirable at the moment because the combination of it a) looking like a gti b) "miles" better economy

Of course if fuel/money was not an issues we would all have a gti/r

There is very few people who that have bought a gti on here would hold there hands up and say ok a gtd is a better combination for me than the gti I bought. If you can then then fair play

When petrol costs were cheaper then there was an arguement for the gti, however I would expect a huge amount of people who have gti's have never even driven a gtd so cant even comment really.

Honestly I think I've fell into a hole and came out in coo-coo land.

The GTI is history, its what brought hot hatches into the world, its the badge, its the looks through the years, the famous interior, its the car itself, its the ownership, the DESIRABILITY of wanting to own one, the GTI is iconic, famous and hugely sought after.

No-one actually gives a toss about GTD's apart from GTD owners. It doesnt matter how the car runs, wither you can save 2p on fuel or wither you get 10 gazillion extra miles, or wither you can remap it to make it faster, its got absolutely no desirability at all, its a 2nd choice to someone that cant afford a GTI.

Seriously someone help me the f**k out here.

I never bought the GTI for the badge Kev , I got them for the perfomance and the drive & the GTD is right next to it sorry to burst your bubble  :evil:I will always defend the GTD yes becuse I have one. I dont care what people say on here about the GTD its pure class with dare I say it to you DSG.

You'll need to read my posts better mate, I have nothing, apart from fuel, against the GTD. I'm not downing on the GTD at all, and no-one else here is saying the GTD is not good in the slightest. I couldnt give a rats ass about it, doesnt mean its not good. We are talking about the GTD Vs GTI in desirability, nothing else.

If you woke up one morning and thought, ok new mk6's are out. I want the top line models so will look at the GTD and GTI. Did you choose the GTD due to price ? fuel efficiency ? Insurance maybe ? How quick you could get hold of one ? Or maybe even a factor of all of them together ? Lets say yes, you have chosen a car based on those factors and lets say hypothetically the GTI was the same price, same fuel consumption etc, you and everyone else with a brain cell would choose the GTI.. ask yourself why ?  :wink: But they are different and you chose the GTD, you chose it because you've saved a few bob and you wont have to goto the garage as much and you can map it to get to GTI speeds. That has not made the GTD more desirable, maybe it has to you and I'm not arguing that fact, but the GTD as a car over the GTI for desirability as a whole is almost as silly as saying the GTD is faster than a GTI.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:08
I think the tracker is a very desirable option on both cars. :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 15:09
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................

Dear oh dear, because they are cheaper ? more economical and probably dont have an 8 month waiting list ?

Corsa's, Focus's sell more than GTD's and GTI's. You telling me that you have worked out how desirable a car is by what people ask for when they come in and by how many is sold ? Yeah, I'm the one thats not all there.

p.s. Just a little bit more info for you, just to confuse the hell out of you further, I bet more people go into dealers and ask for GTD's over lets say Audi R8's or say Mercielago's or even Veyron's. Must mean they are less desirable than a GTD  :laugh:


People walk in to us and have a choice of a gti and gtd in most cases and more people are choosing gtd's over gti's at the moment, I have never said a r8 is less desirable because they sell less that would be a stupid thing to say (which it is).

Simply people walk in to us and choose the gtd as it is a more desirable package at the moment I am sure if fuel was no object we would all drive r8's.

You are really not grasbing this are you, but I got that understanding pretty quickly

The gtd and gti are in the same allocation so lead time is the same, I recommend you dont comment on something you clearly know nothing about.

No wonder I f**kin swear. I'm gonna really have to go slow for you here.

Could you please describe, that means explain, breakdown and let is know what the desirable package the GTD has over the GTI. Now If you mention price/money, fuel consumption, running costs etc. I'll come down to your garage and pin you up against a wall.

Ok, explain.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:13
Are there many types of trackers, please? :undecided:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:18
To re iterate the point I have been making from the start, to customers walking into the dealerships at the moment who I meet every day on the whole the gtd is more desirable to them than the gti because the styling is based on the mk6 gti and there is not real downsides to it based on the current price of fuel. Yes if the gti had the same fuel economy as a gtd then there would be no need for the gtd in the first place and I would buy one aswell and never of got the gtd. The truth is I had a gti called off from emdem in germany to us the dealer last July, a 3 door dsg steel grey at the last minute I thought about what might I want more in the future and the answer is a 5 door golf with gti styling that still goes well but has great economy. I understand if you have a gti you will never say that its less desirable than a gtd.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:21
You are all right and you are all wrong and I have the casting vote which I will not use. :tongue:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 08 June 2010, 15:27
Kev, someone has a different opinion to you. That is all. No need for the angry paranoia yet again.

You think your GTI is the most desirable. Some people think a GTD is the most desirable. This is quite reasonable. Your posts are not.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:28
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................

Dear oh dear, because they are cheaper ? more economical and probably dont have an 8 month waiting list ?

Corsa's, Focus's sell more than GTD's and GTI's. You telling me that you have worked out how desirable a car is by what people ask for when they come in and by how many is sold ? Yeah, I'm the one thats not all there.

p.s. Just a little bit more info for you, just to confuse the hell out of you further, I bet more people go into dealers and ask for GTD's over lets say Audi R8's or say Mercielago's or even Veyron's. Must mean they are less desirable than a GTD  :laugh:


People walk in to us and have a choice of a gti and gtd in most cases and more people are choosing gtd's over gti's at the moment, I have never said a r8 is less desirable because they sell less that would be a stupid thing to say (which it is).

Simply people walk in to us and choose the gtd as it is a more desirable package at the moment I am sure if fuel was no object we would all drive r8's.

You are really not grasbing this are you, but I got that understanding pretty quickly

The gtd and gti are in the same allocation so lead time is the same, I recommend you dont comment on something you clearly know nothing about.

No wonder I f**kin swear. I'm gonna really have to go slow for you here.

Could you please describe, that means explain, breakdown and let is know what the desirable package the GTD has over the GTI. Now If you mention price/money, fuel consumption, running costs etc. I'll come down to your garage and pin you up against a wall.

Ok, explain.

Pin me up against the wall? Try this one you weirdo www.queeruk.net

Why is the gtd more desirable to customers at the moment, they all want a golf that looks like a gti but has all the good things and then improves on the gti's small weakness which is its economy. In the current climate GTDs are selling more than gti's because of this.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:30
Kev, someone has a different opinion to you. That is all. No need for the angry paranoia yet again.

You think your GTI is the most desirable. Some people think a GTD is the most desirable. This is quite reasonable. Your posts are not.

Here here.............Someone else who can stand up to this one dimensional gti driver.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:33
Are there many types of trackers, please? :undecided:

Two from CobraTrak

About Cobra Trak First

The Cobra Trak First is a 24 hour monitored stolen vehicle tracker which means that should your vehicle be moved without your ignition key, the system will alert Cobra's 24 hour control centre who will call you to confirm that your vehicle has been stolen and, once you have obtained a crime reference number from the police, they will liaise with the police, giving them details of your vehicle's precise location.

Cobra Trak First uses the latest GPRS/GSM Technology and offers amazing network coverage ensuring that your vehicle is never out of range.

The system offers the following:
European Cover
Motion Sensor
Tamper Alerts
24 Hour Control Room
Regular System Health checks

Cobra Trak First Mobile

With Cobra Trak First Mobile you can confirm that your vehicle is still where you left it wherever you are and whenever you want to.

The Cobra Trak First Mobile is the same unit as the Trak First but the subscription is different. The yearly subscription charge is £169.00 with no option for 'duration of ownership'.

A link on your phone browser would give you access to your vehicle's current location in a map format as well as access to your tracking status which would allow you to set or cancel garage and transport modes on your system.

The subscription is £169.00 per year (incl. VAT) and there are no further ongoing charges.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:41
Some questions:

(1) Cobra Track First - cost of unit and installation please?
(2) Any yearly subscription charges for the above?
(3) Cobra Track First Mobile - Is the £169 yearly subscription the same as that of Cobra Track First or is this an additional charge, please?

Thanks. :smiley:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:43
Kev is just being a very passionate GTi owner. :smiley:

PS: 'Pin you up against a wall' is a figure of speech from my understanding of Eeeeengliiiisssssshhhhhh! :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 15:47
I have the answer at work, however it is in the golf mk6 accesrories brochure if you have one to hand. All I remember is I think it is £250 for lifetime subrcription to the Cobra trak first, they dont do a lifetime membership for first mobile yet. The membership is registered to the car so you would need to repurchase it again when you change the car.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:51
I have the answer at work, however it is in the golf mk6 accesrories brochure if you have one to hand. All I remember is I think it is £250 for lifetime subrcription to the Cobra trak first, they dont do a lifetime membership for first mobile yet. The membership is registered to the car so you would need to repurchase it again when you change the car.

Ok thanks.
I've got the Accessories Brochure at home. :smiley:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 08 June 2010, 15:54
http://www.cobratrakq.co.uk/
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 15:57
Why would I sit here and lie about what I am experiencing with customers coming into me asking for GTD more so than GTI's? You are obviously not quite all there.................

Dear oh dear, because they are cheaper ? more economical and probably dont have an 8 month waiting list ?

Corsa's, Focus's sell more than GTD's and GTI's. You telling me that you have worked out how desirable a car is by what people ask for when they come in and by how many is sold ? Yeah, I'm the one thats not all there.

p.s. Just a little bit more info for you, just to confuse the hell out of you further, I bet more people go into dealers and ask for GTD's over lets say Audi R8's or say Mercielago's or even Veyron's. Must mean they are less desirable than a GTD  :laugh:


People walk in to us and have a choice of a gti and gtd in most cases and more people are choosing gtd's over gti's at the moment, I have never said a r8 is less desirable because they sell less that would be a stupid thing to say (which it is).

Simply people walk in to us and choose the gtd as it is a more desirable package at the moment I am sure if fuel was no object we would all drive r8's.

You are really not grasbing this are you, but I got that understanding pretty quickly

The gtd and gti are in the same allocation so lead time is the same, I recommend you dont comment on something you clearly know nothing about.

No wonder I f**kin swear. I'm gonna really have to go slow for you here.

Could you please describe, that means explain, breakdown and let is know what the desirable package the GTD has over the GTI. Now If you mention price/money, fuel consumption, running costs etc. I'll come down to your garage and pin you up against a wall.

Ok, explain.

Pin me up against the wall? Try this one you weirdo www.queeruk.net

Why is the gtd more desirable to customers at the moment, they all want a golf that looks like a gti but has all the good things and then improves on the gti's small weakness which is its economy. In the current climate GTDs are selling more than gti's because of this.

Brilliant gaylords rides again :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 08 June 2010, 15:57

Why is the gtd more desirable to customers at the moment, they all want a golf that looks like a gti but has all the good things and then improves on the gti's small weakness which is its economy. In the current climate GTDs are selling more than gti's because of this.

I have said it before and will say it again... the GTI offers fantastic economy for a car that puts 260+bhp (after a remap of course)

That is simply something the GTD cannot get close to.. remap or no remap. I know many will say that I havent driven the GTD but I have driven the 140GTTDI and 170GTTDi extensively.. and although a great drive they do loose out on the handling aspect with that rather heavy derv engine in the front. :nerd:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 15:59
http://www.cobratrakq.co.uk/

Thanks jv. :smiley:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 16:02
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: p3asa on 08 June 2010, 16:05

That is simply something the GTD cannot get close to.. remap or no remap. I know many will say that I havent driven the GTD but I have driven the 140GTTDI and 170GTTDi extensively.. and although a great drive they do loose out on the handling aspect with that rather heavy derv engine in the front. :nerd:

Does the GTD not share the GTI's suspension set up though?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 08 June 2010, 16:15

That is simply something the GTD cannot get close to.. remap or no remap. I know many will say that I havent driven the GTD but I have driven the 140GTTDI and 170GTTDi extensively.. and although a great drive they do loose out on the handling aspect with that rather heavy derv engine in the front. :nerd:

Does the GTD not share the GTI's suspension set up though?

It would have to be different in terms of spring rates etc to cope with the extra weight of the diesel engine  :nerd:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 16:16
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.

Who said it was quicker?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: p3asa on 08 June 2010, 16:35

Could you please describe, that means explain, breakdown and let is know what the desirable package the GTD has over the GTI. Now If you mention price/money, fuel consumption, running costs etc. I'll come down to your garage and pin you up against a wall.

Ok, explain.

Kev, not sure it's possible to ignore price/money, fuel consumption, running costs etc. They all come in to play regardless of what car we all want. Otherwise I'd be driving around in an Aston Martin  :laugh:

Yeah the GTI is iconic but that is all a very skilful PR exercise over a considerable number of years. "Just like a Golf" etc.....
I'm not saying it doesn't deserve its title but Joe Bloggs who knows nothing about cars will believe the Golf and in particular the GTI is the car to have.
I bet you some drivers have even been fooled and bought the car simply on the fact it had GTI on the back. I'm not saying that is wrong as I have bought cars in the past purely because "I wanted that" and nothing would change my mind but now I'm older and wiser I think I would give both the GTI and GTD an equal chance to impress me.

Not sure anyone on here has the credentials to put either the GTI or GTD down unless they have owned both for a reasonable amount of time.

Lee sells cars so obviously is aware of current trends and who is to say that trend doesn't go unnoticed by VW and they start to make the GTD more desirable especially with road tax and petrol costs going the way they are going.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 16:42
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.

Who said it was quicker?

Not you. It was said by all the GTD owners on a previous thread. I had to also give in on that one and accept that fact. Don't you go saying the GTI is faster now.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 16:43
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.

Who said it was quicker? :grin:

Not you. It was said by all the GTD owners on a previous thread. I had to also give in on that one and accept that fact. Don't you go saying the GTI is faster now.
Name & shame them ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 16:44
I am going to trade my GTi for an R as it is sooo quiet and refreshingly boring on that forum. :evil:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Morebhp on 08 June 2010, 16:45
Think he may well have had the other stuff retro fitted. Also he got it when VAT was 15% and there has been 2 price rises sinse so probably over 7% cheaper back then!
Staying off topic for a while [again]
The basic GTI was about £23500 when I started looking at them last August, that's without any extras. No way you could get one for £21300, and if the other stuff was retro fitted it will have cost him a lot more. [LED's are retro but other stuff probably not]

I'm f**kcing telling u I paid £21300 for my gti thru an Internet broker. You can kiss my arse

AND as or you thinking my LED's are retro but the other stuff probably not try asking stevep who supplied and fitted the rearview camera and leds, the dodgy polish bloke who sold me the RNS510 and mortygt140 who coded the unit for me. DONT POST REPLY'S WHEN YOU DONT KNOW THE FACTS PR1CK oh sorry rick!!

jealous cos you probably got ripped off by a dealer


Classic, you dont get this type of aggro on the MK4 forum :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 16:47
Hormonal b!tches the lot of them! :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: mac7 on 08 June 2010, 16:58
On the subject of trackers - if my car gets nicked, ragged around the block, driven into hedges, kerbs and other cars, I don't particularly want it back. So no, I don't have a tracker.

As for the rest of the thread - is it a full moon today or something?  :huh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 17:02
Over 90% of cars that were stolen and recovered with CobraTrak were not damaged. They monitor the cars location using gps and gsm technology and dont send police hurling after them as they know where the car is but wait for the person to return with the keys and turn the ignition and some gimp the thief pays a few quid to.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 08 June 2010, 17:05
Its more likely to be driven like a tool through hedges and over kerbs and into other cars if its being chased by the rozzers. But CobraTrak dont usually let the coppers chase it they just monitor the location of the vehicle and sit and wait for the person to get in the car or get out of the car.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 17:07
Most of the time I've got a camera trained on Wolfgang to make sure he does not mess around with other b!tches on the street! :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 17:08
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.

Who said it was quicker? :grin:

Not you. It was said by all the GTD owners on a previous thread. I had to also give in on that one and accept that fact. Don't you go saying the GTI is faster now.
Name & shame them ?

Shame them ? Now your telling me its not faster ? No wonder my head is fecked.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: am1w on 08 June 2010, 17:13
This is fast becoming the thread of threads. Thanks Kev. You are a star IMO, as are all the rest of you. :smiley:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 18:07
It must just be me then, It took me a while to realise that the GTD is faster than the GTI and I think maybe I'll just need to give in and accept that the GTD is a more desirable car than the GTI.

So to recap. The GTD is faster than the GTI and the GTD is also a more desirable car.

Who would have thought.

Who said it was quicker? :grin:

Not you. It was said by all the GTD owners on a previous thread. I had to also give in on that one and accept that fact. Don't you go saying the GTI is faster now.
Name & shame them ?

Shame them ? Now your telling me its not faster ? No wonder my head is fecked.
:laugh: :laugh: winding you up Ginger
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 08 June 2010, 18:21

That is simply something the GTD cannot get close to.. remap or no remap. I know many will say that I havent driven the GTD but I have driven the 140GTTDI and 170GTTDi extensively.. and although a great drive they do loose out on the handling aspect with that rather heavy derv engine in the front. :nerd:

Does the GTD not share the GTI's suspension set up though?

It would have to be different in terms of spring rates etc to cope with the extra weight of the diesel engine  :nerd:
My point exactly!! it doesnt even drive like a GTI!!

Surely the most important aspect of a hot hatch is how it drives?? :huh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 08 June 2010, 18:23
Its not far off , we are splitting hairs here now!! :evil:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Snoopy on 08 June 2010, 18:52
On the original thread subject. I sort of do.
Im currently trying out a system for a mate before he may takes it on in his ICE buisness. It basically tracks and logs info by Mobile phone and google maps.

Oh and the questions on the subject of the price that was questioned that someone paid for there GTI. it  seemed about right to me for the time as taking my cars different spec into account mine would work out similar. I have been offered far far more than i paid for mine against a scirocco R. Sorry to the new guys/girls but the prices now for a GTI, are much more than they were this time last year. Some luckie people and we all know who they are as we have been told enough  :grin: also got scrapage took off ontop of a reasonable discount.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Spartacus on 08 June 2010, 22:00
I have had one car stolen twice and returned thanks to Tracker. Both times it was driven about 20 miles away and parked up. I got it back both times completely undamaged.

Tracker seems to be the system of choice used by the rozzers which is why I went with them.

And as for GTi v GTD desirability,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please, please, please can we make this a GTi only forum please.

GTD owners please go away and find your own forum.

The GTD is as desirable as a dose of the clap. Totally different proposition to the GTi.

And as for ecomomy my GTi will do 45mpg on a run no problem, oh yes and hit 60 in 6.5 secs and oh yes handles like a dream and oh yeas makes one hell of a noise as it does it.

GTD desirable ! my god please noooooooooo

Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: gizzywizzy on 08 June 2010, 22:47
I have had one car stolen twice and returned thanks to Tracker. Both times it was driven about 20 miles away and parked up. I got it back both times completely undamaged.

Tracker seems to be the system of choice used by the rozzers which is why I went with them.

And as for GTi v GTD desirability,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please, please, please can we make this a GTi only forum please.

GTD owners please go away and find your own forum.

The GTD is as desirable as a dose of the clap. Totally different proposition to the GTi.

And as for ecomomy my GTi will do 45mpg on a run no problem, oh yes and hit 60 in 6.5 secs and oh yes handles like a dream and oh yeas makes one hell of a noise as it does it.

GTD desirable ! my god please noooooooooo



At last someone who speaks complete sense :wink:  I fully agree with you on this I am getting on average 45mpg regularly so the argument that the GTD is far more economical is a nonsense really. 45mpg from a sports hatch wow GTI for me all the way :grin:

Gizzy
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 23:40
I have had one car stolen twice and returned thanks to Tracker. Both times it was driven about 20 miles away and parked up. I got it back both times completely undamaged.

Tracker seems to be the system of choice used by the rozzers which is why I went with them.

And as for GTi v GTD desirability,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please, please, please can we make this a GTi only forum please.

GTD owners please go away and find your own forum.

The GTD is as desirable as a dose of the clap. Totally different proposition to the GTi.

And as for ecomomy my GTi will do 45mpg on a run no problem, oh yes and hit 60 in 6.5 secs and oh yes handles like a dream and oh yeas makes one hell of a noise as it does it.

GTD desirable ! my god please noooooooooo



Do you know, I thought I was talking to myself earlier. Finally someone else posts that knows what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 08 June 2010, 23:40
I have had one car stolen twice and returned thanks to Tracker. Both times it was driven about 20 miles away and parked up. I got it back both times completely undamaged.

Tracker seems to be the system of choice used by the rozzers which is why I went with them.

And as for GTi v GTD desirability,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please, please, please can we make this a GTi only forum please.

GTD owners please go away and find your own forum.

The GTD is as desirable as a dose of the clap. Totally different proposition to the GTi.

And as for ecomomy my GTi will do 45mpg on a run no problem, oh yes and hit 60 in 6.5 secs and oh yes handles like a dream and oh yeas makes one hell of a noise as it does it.

GTD desirable ! my god please noooooooooo



At last someone who speaks complete sense :wink:  I fully agree with you on this I am getting on average 45mpg regularly so the argument that the GTD is far more economical is a nonsense really. 45mpg from a sports hatch wow GTI for me all the way :grin:

Gizzy

Where the hell where you both earlier.  :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 07:30
I have had one car stolen twice and returned thanks to Tracker. Both times it was driven about 20 miles away and parked up. I got it back both times completely undamaged.

Tracker seems to be the system of choice used by the rozzers which is why I went with them.

And as for GTi v GTD desirability,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please, please, please can we make this a GTi only forum please.

GTD owners please go away and find your own forum.

The GTD is as desirable as a dose of the clap. Totally different proposition to the GTi.

And as for ecomomy my GTi will do 45mpg on a run no problem, oh yes and hit 60 in 6.5 secs and oh yes handles like a dream and oh yeas makes one hell of a noise as it does it.

GTD desirable ! my god please noooooooooo


What a senseless statment to make , obviously never driven the GTD :smug:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: evo1986 on 09 June 2010, 11:23
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 13:33
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.

To be honest there is no GTI vs GTD. That only comes from GTD owners who wish they owned or had bought the better car. Unless your actually telling us the GTD is not only more desirable than a GTI  :laugh: but its also the better car ? Please say you are, please.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 13:43
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.

To be honest there is no GTI vs GTD. That only comes from GTD owners who wish they owned or had bought the better car. Unless your actually telling us the GTD is not only more desirable than a GTI  :laugh: but its also the better car ? Please say you are, please.

Kev , I think you know that I had a GTI on order , but got P**** of waiting for it to be made and lost the will to live!! Previous to that I had 5 GTI's all mk5's including ed30. I will always defend the GTD mate becuse its an excllent package with DSG!! If I was to go for the mk7 then it would be the GTD twin turbo??? :smug:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 13:49
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.

To be honest there is no GTI vs GTD. That only comes from GTD owners who wish they owned or had bought the better car. Unless your actually telling us the GTD is not only more desirable than a GTI  :laugh: but its also the better car ? Please say you are, please.

Kev , I think you know that I had a GTI on order , but got P**** of waiting for it to be made and lost the will to live!! Previous to that I had 5 GTI's all mk5's including ed30. I will always defend the GTD mate becuse its an excllent package with DSG!! If I was to go for the mk7 then it would be the GTD twin turbo??? :smug:

Mate, you can defend your GTD for your life. Its a great car, its also the car you own and I wouldnt expect anything less. I naturally do the same. But we have to come back down to earth at some point, and there comes a time when one has to grasp reality a little and recognise that although the GTD is a fine car, its not more desirable, its not faster and its not a better car than the GTI.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 13:57
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.

To be honest there is no GTI vs GTD. That only comes from GTD owners who wish they owned or had bought the better car. Unless your actually telling us the GTD is not only more desirable than a GTI  :laugh: but its also the better car ? Please say you are, please.

Kev , I think you know that I had a GTI on order , but got P**** of waiting for it to be made and lost the will to live!! Previous to that I had 5 GTI's all mk5's including ed30. I will always defend the GTD mate becuse its an excllent package with DSG!! If I was to go for the mk7 then it would be the GTD twin turbo??? :smug:

Mate, you can defend your GTD for your life. Its a great car, its also the car you own and I wouldnt expect anything less. I naturally do the same. But we have to come back down to earth at some point, and there comes a time when one has to grasp reality a little and recognise that although the GTD is a fine car, its not more desirable, its not faster and its not a better car than the GTI.
In your opinon Kev :smug:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 14:10
Well mine will do 60mpg on a run similar 0-60 with revo. Lets not get into that gti vs gtd as they are both great cars and we are lucky to own them.

To be honest there is no GTI vs GTD. That only comes from GTD owners who wish they owned or had bought the better car. Unless your actually telling us the GTD is not only more desirable than a GTI  :laugh: but its also the better car ? Please say you are, please.

Kev , I think you know that I had a GTI on order , but got P**** of waiting for it to be made and lost the will to live!! Previous to that I had 5 GTI's all mk5's including ed30. I will always defend the GTD mate becuse its an excllent package with DSG!! If I was to go for the mk7 then it would be the GTD twin turbo??? :smug:

Mate, you can defend your GTD for your life. Its a great car, its also the car you own and I wouldnt expect anything less. I naturally do the same. But we have to come back down to earth at some point, and there comes a time when one has to grasp reality a little and recognise that although the GTD is a fine car, its not more desirable, its not faster and its not a better car than the GTI.
In your opinon Kev :smug:

Don't entertain opinions as you well know, I only argue facts.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 09 June 2010, 14:16
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 14:45
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 09 June 2010, 15:00
Nope. Just take a look at the mk4 section for how you can successfully have a bit of petrol v diesel banter without the paranoia.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 15:19
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 15:25
Nope. Just take a look at the mk4 section for how you can successfully have a bit of petrol v diesel banter without the paranoia.

Could an ignore user mod be incorporated into this forum then ? I've left it below so you can see its available.

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/index.php?mod=185

Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 15:27
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:

Very unfortunate. Why the f**k you feel the need to be in a GTI forum I dont know.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 15:29
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:

Very unfortunate. Why the f**k you feel the need to be in a GTI forum I dont know.

Becuse I own a VW Golf GTD  :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 09 June 2010, 15:31
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:

Very unfortunate. Why the f**k you feel the need to be in a GTI forum I dont know.

Probably because apart from the engine its the same car using the same systems etc so if you have a problem you ask the question

The forum caters for ALL golfs not simply GTI's - its just the way the forum has grown since its started

Don't forget without the Golf and its lesser models you'd never have the GTI
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 15:33
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:

Very unfortunate. Why the f**k you feel the need to be in a GTI forum I dont know.

Becuse I own a VW Golf GTD  :grin:

Ahh sorry mate, took me a bit to realise, got it loud and clear now. Your a GTI wannabe.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 15:35
Hilarious.

Can we call it a day on the mk6 paranoia department now, this thread was about tracking kit not who has the bestest car ever ever.

Could we also call it a day on GTD's in a GTI forum ?

Kev this will never happen  :grin:

Very unfortunate. Why the f**k you feel the need to be in a GTI forum I dont know.

Probably because apart from the engine its the same car using the same systems etc so if you have a problem you ask the question

The forum caters for ALL golfs not simply GTI's - its just the way the forum has grown since its started

Don't forget without the Golf and its lesser models you'd never have the GTI

See, even you know the GTD is a lesser model. Any chance you could let those owners know this too ?

Also, the ignore user feature is available for the forum, could we get this setup ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 15:37
Getting back on topic.... what could be a better tracker than a trail of smoke*  :laugh: :laugh:











*joke for gti owners only :tongue: :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 09 June 2010, 15:39
See, even you know the GTD is a lesser model. Any chance you could let those owners know this too ?

Also, the ignore user feature is available for the forum, could we get this setup ?

Nope far too busy

We already got something similar - its called the delete account button.  I've been itching to try it out - fancy being the test subject?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 15:48
See, even you know the GTD is a lesser model. Any chance you could let those owners know this too ?

Also, the ignore user feature is available for the forum, could we get this setup ?

Nope far too busy

We already got something similar - its called the delete account button.  I've been itching to try it out - fancy being the test subject?

I'm sure it will work. But what if it does and I'm deleted, does that mean I can test out the 40,000 proxies I have in work (p.s. check my IP, its not in the UK is it) to re-register with ? I've been itching to try them out too.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 09 June 2010, 16:00
The ignore mod is an interesting one, I think it could be installed so that everyone gets the same one user added to their ignore list.

Careful Rhyso, Kev will blind us with internetz powerz!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: p3asa on 09 June 2010, 16:01
Kev if it was only for GTI owners then you wouldn't have been allowed on it when you had the Saxo and looking to get yourself the GTI  :laugh:

Incidentally the ignore button would be a yes from me.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 16:04
See, even you know the GTD is a lesser model. Any chance you could let those owners know this too ?

Also, the ignore user feature is available for the forum, could we get this setup ?

Nope far too busy

We already got something similar - its called the delete account button.  I've been itching to try it out - fancy being the test subject?

 :laugh: :laugh: brillant
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 09 June 2010, 16:21
Kev if it was only for GTI owners then you wouldn't have been allowed on it when you had the Saxo and looking to get yourself the GTI  :laugh:
Haha, ah yes he got to over 1000 posts whilst not even owning a VW, yet now it's GTI way or the highway :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 09 June 2010, 16:38
Careful Rhyso, Kev will blind us with internetz powerz!

Not if i smoke him out with my 'lesser model' Golf first  :evil: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 18:00
Kev , I diddn't know you had a Saxo  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 19:41
Kev if it was only for GTI owners then you wouldn't have been allowed on it when you had the Saxo and looking to get yourself the GTI  :laugh:

Incidentally the ignore button would be a yes from me.

I'm amazed p3asa where you got this info from ? Before I got the GTI I was car sharing a Type-R. The Saxo VTS was a car I had previously owned. But why let facts get in the way eh ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 19:50
Kev , I diddn't know you had a Saxo  :laugh:

I loved it to be honest, was a real nippy wee car. 7.5 secs 0-60, would beat your GTD as standard and not far off its top speed. Not bad for a wee Saxo eh.  (http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/images/smilies/handjob.gif)
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 09 June 2010, 20:03
Ah back to 0-60 as defining 'desirable', so now and old Saxo is more desirable than a mk6 GTD :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:13
Ah back to 0-60 as defining 'desirable', so now and old Saxo is more desirable than a mk6 GTD :grin:

Well if you go by the sh!t thats said in here, desirability is measured on how many it sells, and unfortunately for the GTD it sold less than the Saxo.

I can only go by whats said in here, GTD is faster than GTI, GTD is better than GTI, GTD is more desirable than GTI, but Saxo is more desirable than GTD, dont shoot the messenger as I said I'm only repeating the pish that gets typed up in here.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 20:20
who cares.. "come dine with me" complete with wags is on :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:22
who cares.. "come dine with me" complete with wags is on :laugh:

Dont change the subject, bet you wish you had got a GTD now.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 20:27
who cares.. "come dine with me" complete with wags is on :laugh:

Dont change the subject, bet you wish you had got a GTD now.

GTD is too hardcore for me.. im down grading to a mk5 :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:31
who cares.. "come dine with me" complete with wags is on :laugh:

Dont change the subject, bet you wish you had got a GTD now.

GTD is too hardcore for me.. im down grading to a mk5 :laugh:

 :grin: Don't know what I was thinking when I bought mine. I could have saved thousands AND bought the better model of car. Oh well, its all part of learning.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 20:34
Your Saxo against my motor kev dream on!! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:43
Your Saxo against my motor kev dream on!! :rolleyes:

Standard GTD = 8.1 secs
Saxo VTS = 7.5 secs

Standard GTD = 136 mph
Saxo VTS = 131 mph

Here is the GTI's just for fun...

6.9 secs
149 mph

Notice how its slower than the GTD  (http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/images/smilies/handjob.gif)
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:46
jv/rhyso - Install the ignore mod and I'll donate £20 to the forum.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 20:49
jv/rhyso - Install the ignore mod and I'll donate £20 to the forum.

Get yours revo'd and I will donote £20 to the forum also....  :smiley:

should put the GTD's to bed once and for all then I should think :wink:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 20:54
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: p3asa on 09 June 2010, 20:57
I'm amazed p3asa where you got this info from ? Before I got the GTI I was car sharing a Type-R. The Saxo VTS was a car I had previously owned. But why let facts get in the way eh ?

You've mentioned it a couple of times on the forum and trivial stuff sticks in my head, although I'll forget to bring in milk when the Mrs phones and tells me  :laugh:

Sorry just presumed it was your last car but the principle is still the same re not having a GTI and being a member of the forum.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:58
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!

Honestly, you are a total clown, I think you sit in the GTD and think your in a f**kin Evo or something  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 20:59
Kev your figures are wrong on the gtd !!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 20:59
I'm amazed p3asa where you got this info from ? Before I got the GTI I was car sharing a Type-R. The Saxo VTS was a car I had previously owned. But why let facts get in the way eh ?

You've mentioned it a couple of times on the forum and trivial stuff sticks in my head, although I'll forget to bring in milk when the Mrs phones and tells me  :laugh:

Sorry just presumed it was your last car but the principle is still the same re not having a GTI and being a member of the forum.

I'm glad I'm not the only one then.  :grin:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:01
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!

Honestly, you are a total clown, I think you sit in the GTD and think your in a f**kin Evo or something  :laugh: :laugh:

Kev you havnt even driven a gtd ? Talking out of your chad mate!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:02
jv/rhyso - Install the ignore mod and I'll donate £20 to the forum.

Get yours revo'd and I will donote £20 to the forum also....  :smiley:

should put the GTD's to bed once and for all then I should think :wink:

Thats the 2 mods I'd have already if it were not for slight hold backs. I'd have it Revo if the warranty was 100% with either Revo or VW accepting responsibility if anything went wrong. I think both would just blame each other and I wouldnt get anywhere, so less hassle this way. And an RNS510 is VW had a DAB module for it available.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:05
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!

Honestly, you are a total clown, I think you sit in the GTD and think your in a f**kin Evo or something  :laugh: :laugh:

Kev you havnt even driven a gtd ? Talking out of your chad mate!

Steve, you have a little bit of a habbit of thinking your car is an Evo or a TTRS. Just read this below and let me know what you see.

GTD 0-62 = 8.1 seconds
GTI 0-62 = 6.9 secs

GTD - Top End = 136 mph
GTI - Top End = 149 mph

Now which is faster, the Evo or the GTI ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 21:06
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!

260bhp v 170bhp (and heavier)... hmmm let me think :rolleyes:

place your bets fellas :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:09
Kev I'm confident that I'm quicker than you!! Nuff said :smug:

can't stand evo's or revo's !!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:11
Mines a double!! I would do both of you to( revo knobs)

revo my Arse!!

260 v 170... hmmm let me think :rolleyes:

place your bets fellas :laugh:

f**k dont get him started mate, his GTD is lightening.

Just thinking in general, looking at those GTD times, it really is a standard car, there is nothing about it decent at all when it comes to speed. Very very average figures, even my old sh!te Saxo beats it in 0-62  :laugh: Even a f**kin Laguna or an mx6 or a Subraru Legacy keeps up with it.  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Not even in the same league as a GTI. This is comedy gold. This thread deserves to be a sticky.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:12
Kev I'm confident that I'm quicker than you!! Nuff said :smug:

can't stand evo's or revo's !!
Still cant answer the question. f**kin laguna boy.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: R32UK on 09 June 2010, 21:13
Kev I'm confident that I'm quicker than you!! Nuff said :smug:

but not me :tongue:

just for the record before we start hearing about torque

GTI Revo'd - 425 NM

GTD - 350 NM

 :nerd:

Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:15
Kev I'm confident that I'm quicker than you!! Nuff said :smug:

but not me :tongue:

just for the record before we start hearing about torque

GTI Revo'd - 425 NM

GTD - 350 NM

 :nerd:



It needs more torques to move the thing, it does nothing for the car over the GTI but 0.1 secs more from 2nd to 3rd or something like that. A Laguna is still faster than a GTI though  :laugh:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:16
Clueless kev, as I said before VW are a bit conservative about there figures!! Your figure there on my car is wrong :smug:!!
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:19
Clueless kev, as I said before VW are a bit conservative about there figures!! Your figure there on my car is wrong :smug:!!

So they are just conservative about the GTD and not on the GTI ? If the guys were getting sub 6 second times from a mk5, I can only see the mk6 being its equal get a GTD is faster but also a little bit conservative ?  :laugh: :laugh: This is brilliant.

Honestly Steve, I really hope you dont repeat this sh!te outside this forum, I feel for you lad i really do.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:20
Quote from: VWKev link=topic=157516.msg1451349#msg1451349 :drool: date=1276114344
Kev I'm confident that I'm quicker than you!! Nuff said :smug:

can't stand evo's or revo's !!
Still cant answer the question. f**kin laguna boy.  :laugh: :laugh:
[/quot

I like laguna's great for swimming in Thailand :drool:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:22
Direct from VW

Auto-DSG Transmission (0-62 mph) 8.1 secs
Auto-DSG Transmission (mph) 136 mph

Which bit is wrong and I'll ask VW to change it ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:22
When you at spurs next? I will come over let's get it on!! :smug:
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:24
When you at spurs next? I will come over let's get it on!! :smug:

Dont change the subject... answer the questions.... which figures are wrong from VW and I'll let them know. Also, how can a laguna, an mx6 and a subary legacy keep up with a GTD yet all be faster than a GTI. ?

I'm dying to know.
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Steve30 on 09 June 2010, 21:26
Gtd is 7.8  :cool yes mine will run out of puff at top end I agree!

put it to the test then?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:29
Gtd is 7.8  :cool:

And a GTI is 6.5.

Now look at those numbers...... its playschool stuff Steve, just keep looking, and keep looking and keep looking. The hint is that the lower number means its faster. I'll go over that one more time. Look at the numbers, even write them down in biiiiiig digits and remember lower is better.

GTD = 7.8
GTI = 6.5

Can you spot the glaring difference yet ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: VWKev on 09 June 2010, 21:32
Gtd is 7.8  :cool yes mine will run out of puff at top end I agree!

put it to the test then?

f**k me, this is not about a me vs you, or my car vs yours specifically this is a GTD vs a GTI. At no time in a like for like driver in each car would the GTD come f**kin remotely close to the GTI in a race. Are you just plain stupid ?
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: Rhyso on 09 June 2010, 21:33
You lot need to get a life
Title: Re: Tracker
Post by: jv on 10 June 2010, 09:58
I still don't understand why kev didn't get dsg - way quicker than his manual gti, therefore by his logic, way more desirable :grin: