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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: BCR on 02 June 2010, 21:49
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A surprisingly close call.
Interesting drag race from 50 km/h to 220 km/h.
The R is strong at the end around 200 km/h, otherwise no big difference.
Se races below (red car=GTI, white car= R):
http://www.gtiklubben.nu/forum/showthread.php?12244-golf-R-vs-GTI-%28BSR-chippad%29
PS. I will do my BSR tuning in the coming weeks. More info here: http://en.bsr.se/
/HÃ¥kan
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26hp increase? Is that it? :shocked:
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
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Another boring R thread :rolleyes:
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^Hehe! says the derv driver! :laugh:
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have :laugh:
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have :laugh:
You have lost me.
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have :laugh:
You have lost me.
Yea lost me too :grin:
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K03 spools up alot faster from the take off, but little in it tbh. Only top end the K04 in the R pulls more power.R carryng extra 200kg.
Rumour has it the R is a Pain to remap, perhaps with the ECU removal which will void warranty.
Good video. :smiley:
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have :laugh:
You have lost me.
from a standing start, in the wet???? :huh:
I hate to spell it out but the GTI would have got mullered
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Looks good, although the R did reel the GTI in. I'd have liked to have seen this from a standing start.
In those conditions... you probably wouldnt have :laugh:
You have lost me.
from a standing start, in the wet???? :huh:
I hate to spell it out but the GTI would have got mullered
Ak ok I got you.
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...if this is with 26 PK more !!!!.....than a GTI with 45 PK more would easily make up for a worse start in the wet very quickly afterwards :evil:
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Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.
For those that don't know what that is imagine running around on your two legs and compare this to running on your arms and legs (all fours). Sure you might have better grip but you get tired quicker because your using more of your energy to drive yourself forward. Same thing with cars.
So I can only guess that the GTI in that vid was not much more than standard power. It certainly wasn't putting out comparable power figures to the R.
My other complaint is that the GTI jumps the R at the start. For this reason I also think the GTI was not that powerful.
My final complaint is that the race is done in the rain. Surely they could have picked better conditions for such an important face off :grin:
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Also had a little look at the BSR site...
Apparently their stage 1 and stage 2 for the Edition 30 takes the car from a standard power output of 230bhp to maximum 308bhp. That's pretty impressive so I investigated further...
...if you go to the product page for said map then it quotes the average bhp increase as 39hp. I might not be the best at maths but
230bhp + 39 bhp = 269bhp!!! Thats about 40 bhp short of the initial claim. I'd be a bit annoyed if my map was 40 hp less than it should be.
I'd need some convincing about this company before I ever thought about them.
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also another thing that annoyed me about this thread is the title
Golf GTI VI (BSR tuning) vs. Golf R = Tie
The GTI gets a jump on the R and the R still overtakes it by the end of the vid. No sure how that classes as a tie.
(I apologise people I have had a rant today. I will take my medication tomorrow I promise :embarassed:)
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f**k the R :grin:
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Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.
Nice theory, except the traction advantage will probably have the R far enough out in front at the start that the GTI wouldn't necessarily catch up before the cars hit V-max. As the haldex disengages the rear axle after launch the difference in transmission losses for most of the run aren't as large as you think.
Assuming of course the gear ratios are the same in the GTi and R. Perhaps we'll find out at GTI International :wink:
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Here's the thing right. Assuming both cars are equipped with DSG and both have an equal power figure (for arguments sake 265bhp) then the FWD will eventually beat the 4WD due to transmission loss.
Nice theory, except the traction advantage will probably have the R far enough out in front at the start that the GTI wouldn't necessarily catch up before the cars hit V-max. As the haldex disengages the rear axle after launch the difference in transmission losses for most of the run aren't as large as you think.
Assuming of course the gear ratios are the same in the GTi and R. Perhaps we'll find out at GTI International :wink:
It's not a theory. :smiley: Plenty of Audi s3 drivers have found out the hard way at Crail against me.
It's one of the problems with Subaru's and Evo's is that off the line they are brilliant but one the move the 4wd sucks much more of the engines power. True the haldex is better for that than the Subaru system for example but even the haldex uses more engine power than FWD to turn the wheels.
In the vid though if it had been a standing start the 4wd would be away. Dry road... maybe a different story?
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Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.
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Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.
And that is most important in the 'real' world, don't you think? Our speed limit vomit on motorways is 70 mph! :rolleyes:
As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'. :evil: :laugh:
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Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.
And that is most important in the 'real' world, don't you think? Our speed limit vomit on motorways is 70 mph! :rolleyes:
As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'. :evil: :laugh:
:laugh: :lipsrsealed:
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Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.
Here's a bit of anoraky info for you. I checked the weights of the cars from VW's German website and discovered an error of sorts in the UK brochure. The R is only 128kgs heavier than the GTI - the UK brochure weight for the GTI doesn't include 68kg for the driver and 7kg for luggage. :nerd:
Golf GTI 3dr manual 1393kg
Golf R 3dr manual 1521kg
Those weights include a 68kg driver, 7kg of luggage and a 90% full fuel tank... not sure what the 7kg of luggage consists of :huh:
Having said that, the R is still 20 stone (one fat bloke) heavier than the GTI - and it feels it too. I have no doubt a remapped GTI would keep pace with me in most circumstances.
As one knowledgeable member said on the VW Chat thread, 'VW have to restrict the GTI because of those stupid overweight, numb, bloated VR6/R32/R models'. :evil: :laugh:
:cry: so my car's a little overweight - but it has a really good personality :grin:
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^^^ Mine had no trouble keeping up with (and then passing) a Golf R on the Ring a few a weeks ago (both cars where 5 door DSG's and carrying two passengers) :smiley:
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The momentum a fat man gathers can be quite frightening and sickening and even more so when he tries to decelerate. :sick:
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Id still have an R if i could afford to find another 15k for it :angry:
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Id still have an R if i could afford to find another 15k for it :angry:
You need to buy my self clocking GTi.
Wolfgang has discovered the elixir of eternal youth.
Wish it could be transferred to his owner! Selfish sod! :rolleyes:
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Remember the R is carrying 200 more kg's. (or 2 more passengers).The Gti has a smaller turbo and spoils up faster give more peak torque on initial take off.But as with all the K03 Gti's the power at top end falls away, whereas the R's turbo will give more boost right to the redline.
Having said that, the R is still 20 stone (one fat bloke) heavier than the GTI -.
I am that Bloke :laugh:
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26hp increase? Is that it? :shocked:
:wink:
In Sweden, BSR is often compared to Bluefin who claims more power (265 HP I guess). But often the BSR tuned GTI´s are quicker.
I don´t think pure HP-figures gives you the whole explanation. I think a well done work by skilled programmers can do a lot for driveability. Things like torque, throttle-response, spool-up etc and other tricks maybe play a big difference.
PS. BSR also deliver some electronics/programming for Koenigsegg, see http://www.koenigsegg.com/
/HÃ¥kan
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An ABT remapped GTI did at peak 275 km per hour 2 weeks ago on the Ring I read the proud owner's mail at the dealer...
The owner seems a normal guy with no testeron problems or other macho problems.....he just went fast.. :evil:.
Now the first thing that comes to my mind is.....they made the 300 now 280 on the dials...will this suffice after a VW ABT remap...that is a bit sloppy isn't it....to see the neddle stuck.... :laugh:
I have become too scared to drive fast...I mean above 200 is my un-comfort zone...so I will never find out...
( I had a totall loss crash in 1995 my fault ....kind of wake-up call.....)
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I have become too scared to drive fast...I mean above 200 is my un-comfort zone...so I will never find out...
( I had a totall loss crash in 1995 my fault ....kind of wake-up call.....)
In my long and adventurous life, I have had 3 total loss crashes! Only one my fault. Yes, I was a slow learner. The fourth time will be final! :sad: