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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Ads on 10 December 2004, 17:35
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Hey all.
Today i was in my Dads 5dr Mk2 Golf Gti (16v) and we were on the duel cariageway and came up to a round about and this little yellow Fiat punto was stuck behind us, dad pulled into the slow lane and as normal put foot down and to our supprise this little yellow Punto GT kept up and even over took after 70mph with considerable ease :embarassed:.
Now we thought the golf goes really really well considering its got 160k and normally out does most cars but this punto flew, dunno spec.
The only excuse that i could think off and tell him is that the golf has a kind of idealling problem and stalls when we stop and say when you push the clutch down for a set of traffic lights it drops under 1,000rpm and dies. Does it effect the performance much or is this punto just a faster car?
Just curious lol
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maybe your old man bottled it? could have hit hundred easy peasy in a valver! but dont forget some puntos are turbo'd :shocked: dunno which ones tho :huh:
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If you've got 160k on the clock there is no way the car is in top form at the moment. Sorry.
At the very least the injectors are probably over the hill, the fuel system may have problems, and the fact that it stalls is not a good sign.
Stalling can be a number of things, the usual suspects around here will tell you the ISV stuff.
However, you coil could be dying, the lift pump could be dying, the injectors went to heaven a few years ago, fuel filter is clogged up. The list is endless.
If the car was in top form, then it would easily level peg with the GT till about 70-80, and then it would be murdered. It'd be GT in the rear view mirror time.
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Those Puntos weigh as much as a bag of crisps and can run stupid amounts of boost for many thousands of miles before they go bang, they're not as easily dealt with as you might think. :undecided:
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The cars reguarly serviced and well loved. Full VAG SH etc.
Ive read up and the idealling problem seems a very common problem and does result in power loss.
And btw Heres the spec of a Punto GT (its an 8v Turbo)
Max power: 136 HP at 5750 rpm
0-60 Time At: 7.8 Seconds
So its as fast as a Golf Gti
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Maybe the punto was an abarth, mate has one, the one with the subtle little scorpion badge, if it was they are fast as fook, 1.8 turbo I think, but hey, it's still a fiat so it will be in the scrappers in a couple of years time or in the garage, permanently ! :smiley:
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Maybe the punto was an abarth, mate has one, the one with the subtle little scorpion badge, if it was they are fast as fook, 1.8 turbo I think, but hey, it's still a fiat so it will be in the scrappers in a couple of years time or in the garage, permanently !? :smiley:
everyone thinks thats what happens to fiats, but the modern fiats are much much better.
what always got me about my recent fiats was that they enjoyed being thrashed. and i mean totally thrashed for hours.
the valver did not enjoy being thrashed - dont get me wrong - it delivered and it always played to the best of its ability. however, after 2-3 hours of thrashing the golf, it always felt just too loose, and you had to drive with respect for a few days to make the engine tight again.
fiat engines felt totally different. after 2-3 hours of beating the engine to death - they simply came back for more - and some more. the more you beat them - the more they came back for more.
it was something i could never understand about fiats. i think in the end it came down to the fact that fiat know how to make good engines. considering ferrari are in their stable and the way italians drive, its probably no coincidence either.
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Tin, in my experience fiats are shat, three head gaskets going on one is testament to that ! :smiley:
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100,000 trouble free miles in 4-5 years with new fiats. never had any real problem.
had stupid problems that were always dealer fixed under warranty, like my new Seicento Sporting that had 3 horns in the first 8 weeks of its life.
that said, the dealership were great - courtesy car everytime. which happened to be a punto. i never owned a punto, but i'd certainly never turn down a 1.2 if i got offered one. they are totally thrashable and rewarding to drive.
fiats problems at the moment though are the dealers giving crap service. they have a great line up right now, but are really let down where it matters.
the other problem is that no one looks after a fiat. i mean - whats the point - its only a fiat - and so subsequent owners get cars that have been relatively unloved - which means problems in later life.
each to their own at the end of the day :)
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i no with your 16v been k-jet its diff,
but i had that prop with my 8v
it was the plug on the air flow meter wasent in all the way, so it wasent connected right, so ill cheak all the sencer plugs on it if i was u, hope u soon get it running rite :smiley:
paul :wink:
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I had a punto prior to my mk3, it was only a 1250 engine in it, but it went suprisingly well considering the little engine.
My dad has a 1250 punto and its easily faster than my mk3 1.4i astra, and neither him nor me had any reliability problems with the punto.
Think I will stick with VW now tho :grin:
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My Valver seems to have that stalling problem intermittently. I reckon its something to do with my injectors because whenever it oes it I stick some redex injector sh!t in and it sorts it out. As for the punto GT my mate had one and it was fast but no way should be able to beat a valver top end.
regards
marco
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If you've got 160k on the clock there is no way the car is in top form at the moment. Sorry.
At the very least the injectors are probably over the hill, the fuel system may have problems, and the fact that it stalls is not a good sign.
Mine's got 164k on the clock, and put out 180 bhp at stealth a month ago...
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If you've got 160k on the clock there is no way the car is in top form at the moment. Sorry.
At the very least the injectors are probably over the hill, the fuel system may have problems, and the fact that it stalls is not a good sign.
Mine's got 164k on the clock, and put out 180 bhp at stealth a month ago...
for a standard, non modded car it must be very special. you must be a very proud owner.
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tin did you forget the sarcastic comment? :wink: :kiss:
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or he's speechless :wink:
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for a standard, non modded car it must be very special. you must be a very proud owner.
nope found it lol :grin: :laugh:
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tin did you forget the sarcastic comment?? :wink: :kiss:
mind isnt working today, /quote marks were in the wrong place.
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tin did you forget the sarcastic comment?? :wink: :kiss:
mind isnt working today, /quote marks were in the wrong place.
Lol! well it is monday so i shall let you off but dont let the side down tin! consider this a formal oral warning! :wink:
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If you've got 160k on the clock there is no way the car is in top form at the moment. Sorry.
At the very least the injectors are probably over the hill, the fuel system may have problems, and the fact that it stalls is not a good sign.
Mine's got 164k on the clock, and put out 180 bhp at stealth a month ago...
for a standard, non modded car it must be very special. you must be a very proud owner.
my engine was put in back in 1990, when the car was only six months old. All its had done since is tappets (month before last) and a valve spring has been replaced.
So yes, I am proud.
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Odd... the graphs on your website do indeed show close to 180bhp, but calculated by hand from your torque curves show a results closer to 150bhp (still damn good for a standard car) :huh:
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If you've got 160k on the clock there is no way the car is in top form at the moment. Sorry.
At the very least the injectors are probably over the hill, the fuel system may have problems, and the fact that it stalls is not a good sign.
Mine's got 164k on the clock, and put out 180 bhp at stealth a month ago...
for a standard, non modded car it must be very special. you must be a very proud owner.
my engine was put in back in 1990, when the car was only six months old. All its had done since is tappets (month before last) and a valve spring has been replaced.
So yes, I am proud.
yeah but its hardly a standard engine is it? i seem to remember you posting this .............
"I need to edit that, last time on the rollers it got 180.0!! ;-)
Its a 2.0, with a balanced bottom end, gasflowed head, shrick cams.."
i think what tin was saying was for a standard (ie 1.8, standard cams, no balancing, )it must be something special.......