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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Grand Master Patch on 21 May 2010, 18:12

Title: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 21 May 2010, 18:12
Who says hot weather is bad for your cars performance,had a little play on my way home from work hitting 21psi every time i floored it and holding at 20psi till i either ran out of road or speed getting a bit naughty(70mph btw).
The car feels awesome :evil:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 21 May 2010, 18:42
lucky you, I peaked 12 and held 10  :sad:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 21 May 2010, 18:45
lucky you, I peaked 12 and held 10  :sad:

That's gotta be a boost leak.

On my way to a show last week,it popped a couple of flames out of the exhaust,std vw back box flaming :shocked:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 21 May 2010, 18:46
Who says hot weather is bad for your cars performance,had a little play on my way home from work hitting 21psi every time i floored it and holding at 20psi till i either ran out of road or speed getting a bit naughty(70mph btw).
The car feels awesome :evil:

Check the altitude correction with vagcom,

Because if the altitude sensor reading wrong the ecu can offset the load/ms, reducing the boost or adding the boost.  I want to find out at what atmospheric pressure there is not offset. then all realted maps can be mapped out to one value, the maps am looking at only scale to just under 1000mb
 I have noticed a few cars with this sensor causing boost issues, so if I can apply a patch in the map it will sort this unseen hardware issues out.

Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 21 May 2010, 18:51
Without sounding like a thick northern monkey,how do i find out the altitude correction?
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 21 May 2010, 18:52
I also want to know this without sounding like a southern fairy  :grin:

Just off out to fit my drop links, gonna have a root around the back of the engine while it's up on axle stands
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 21 May 2010, 18:53
Without sounding like a thick northern monkey,how do i find out the altitude correction?

It will be in one if the blocks in vagcom, aint got a clue of the top of my head, but I will be logging two AGUs tomorrow so I will let you know.

Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 21 May 2010, 18:54
I also want to know this without sounding like a southern fairy  :grin:

Just off out to fit my drop links, gonna have a root around the back of the engine while it's up on axle stands

Did you manage to get a load/ms of you car? :smiley:

Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 21 May 2010, 18:58
not managed it yet but I'll have to take the car for a test drive when the drop links are done so I'm sure that will involve a full throttle run or two up the dual carriageway  :wink:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 21 May 2010, 20:03
couldn't be arsed to do the drop links, the logs were much more important  :smiley:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/WesRS/log.jpg)

any good?
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 22 May 2010, 15:59
back up again
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 22 May 2010, 18:43
lol funny you say that.

Now mine is spot on 25psi and holding 21 to 5.8k


AGU

It is abit colder down here to day and now only hitting 15psi.    It is ment to be real hot tomorrow it will be the real test!
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 23 May 2010, 19:01
spot on again today... so bloody hot.

The car loves real hot weather! :undecided:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 23 May 2010, 19:19
mine felt like a snail again  :sad:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: vwfiend on 23 May 2010, 23:35
Do you all actually boot your turbo cars when it's hot!? Your crazy! Mine hasn't been over 3000rpm this weekend, even the evening air is too hot Imo...
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Grand Master Patch on 23 May 2010, 23:38
Do you all actually boot your turbo cars when it's hot!? Your crazy! Mine hasn't been over 3000rpm this weekend, even the evening air is too hot Imo...

Hell yes,fmic ftw :wink:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: vwfiend on 24 May 2010, 00:20
Surely it'll still be too hot as the air hitting the intercooler is warm as the sun or do you have a mist squirter? What brand if at all is your fmic as the Forge one is nearly £650 which is a lot. Do you know if you can run a charge cooler instead of a conventional intercooler on a golf?
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 24 May 2010, 05:01
couldn't be arsed to do the drop links, the logs were much more important  :smiley:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0803/WesRS/log.jpg)

any good?

throttle angle should be around 82% for full load?

Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 24 May 2010, 07:09
ah ha, therein may lay my problem...
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 24 May 2010, 12:33
charge cooler would be easy, as long as you have the room for the rad (which you do) you could do it.

With ref to the throttle angle, can someone post up a run off their Golf to confirm? It makes sense though...
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 24 May 2010, 19:19
what do i need to go into and i will do it tonight
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 24 May 2010, 19:41
cheers fella, just log block 1 for a full throttle run, should give the same readings as the log I posted
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 May 2010, 17:27
anyone?
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 25 May 2010, 17:40
doing it tonight..  :cool:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 25 May 2010, 18:35
Here you go

20.7   2360   0.95   8.7   22.5   
21.08   2360   1.3   14.3   15.8   
21.47   2320   4   35.2   27.8   
21.85   2520   5   56.9   21.8   
22.24   2680   6.55   72   17.3   
22.6   2880   8.9   84.2   14.3   
22.99   3160   11.25   84.2   15   
23.37   3440   10.95   84.2   15   
23.76   3760   10.15   84.2   18   
24.12   4080   10.2   84.2   20.3   
24.49   4400   9.75   84.2   22.5   
24.86   4720   9.55   84.2   24   


I hope this helps
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: MaXXeH on 25 May 2010, 18:37
Second log

46.34   2360   5.4   51.6   18.8   
46.7   2520   6.6   54.3   12.8   
47.1   2760   8.55   55.1   12   
47.48   3040   8.05   54.3   18   
47.86   3360   8.4   73.3   18   
48.23   3640   12.45   84.2   16.5   
48.62   4200   11.5   84.2   19.5   
49.02   4600   11   84.2   21   
49.4   4960   10.55   84.6   21.8   
49.8   5280   10.6   84.2   24   
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 May 2010, 18:40
nice one mate, much appreciated

full throttle looks to be an angle of 84.2 degrees then, not my 42...

I'll try a throttle alignment later and a few other bits to see if it cures it. Will start another topic to see if anyone can shed some light on what it could be...fr
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: gti_shaun on 25 May 2010, 18:49
could the altitude sensor be my problem then anyone? NICK?? http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=155729.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=155729.0)
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 May 2010, 19:23
what does the altitude sensor do and where is it?
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: gti_shaun on 25 May 2010, 23:06
what does the altitude sensor do and where is it?

its right hand side of engine bay  at the back it clips onto the bulk head, im guessing it picks up the the height you are at to calculate the pressure, thats a rough guess.
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 26 May 2010, 19:39
ah always wondered what that thing was  :grin:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 29 May 2010, 11:30
Email me some logs of the requested and actual load,
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: linz on 29 May 2010, 11:34
sounds good and nick i shall be saving those pennies an making tht trip to see you hopefully sooner rather thn later
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: northeast_gti-t on 30 May 2010, 00:05
mines now hitting the same figure  :wink:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 May 2010, 10:09
running 18-19psi now but think I've still got a leak somewhere so that needs a bit more investigating  :smiley:
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 30 May 2010, 10:15
running 18-19psi now but think I've still got a leak somewhere so that needs a bit more investigating  :smiley:

Getting there then,  What have you done to get to 19psi?   Can you do a log of the requested and actual load, this will show if requested boost is being met.#

Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 May 2010, 12:06
I adjusted my throttle cable  :grin:

I wedged it open full throttle on the pedal and had a look inside the throttle housing and the butterfly was only open half way. Pulled my cable tight and clipped it there, give it a quick run with VAG COM to adapt it and voila!

The cable is on it's last legs though so ordered another. Will get some logs this week and pop them up. I can find the block for actual load on VAG COM, any idea what block I should be logging for requested? (AGU)
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: RTechUK on 30 May 2010, 13:06
I adjusted my throttle cable  :grin:

I wedged it open full throttle on the pedal and had a look inside the throttle housing and the butterfly was only open half way. Pulled my cable tight and clipped it there, give it a quick run with VAG COM to adapt it and voila!

The cable is on it's last legs though so ordered another. Will get some logs this week and pop them up. I can find the block for actual load on VAG COM, any idea what block I should be logging for requested? (AGU)

Good lad, you can have a job soon..lol

Actual and spec blocks 025, do some cvs logs and a a real time graph with long 4th gear pull, then take a snap shot of the screen and save it in mspaint.   By taking thw snap shot you will get a visual picture of what the boost and N75DC% is doing.



Nick
Title: Re: 21psi yeeeaaaahhhh hhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: Wazzzer on 30 May 2010, 15:01
excellent thanks mate, will do them this week sometime