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Title: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 18 May 2010, 21:24
Hi guys, I have a couple of minor problems with my 2001 20v Turbo Gti.

Firstly, my engine light came on, Rhyso cleared the code and the code which came back was 'Boost Pressure Control Valve Malfunction'
(The light has not come back on though)

So I went hunting for loose pipes, and the only one I can spot is the one circled in red in the attached photo, the inside of the elbow has totally perished, letting in un-metered air.

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Secondly, under acceleration i can feel the car judder ever so slightly, or more accurately i would say a slight hesitation due to a small loss of power for a split second.

Lastly, when accelerating, if I change up a gear, I can hear a few small chirpping noises like 'pip pip pip' coming from the engine bay when im between gears. - not sure if this would be the re-circ valve not doing its job?

So, Im just wondering what course of action to take? Obviously change the breather pipe for starters, but what then - should I change the BPCV as a precaution and are they expensive.

Also as for the pip pip pip noise, im open to suggestions there?!

Thanks for reading!
Ger
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Wazzzer on 18 May 2010, 22:36
the juddering will be down to that pipe being split. Replace that and see how you go but it sounds like your N75 needs replacing too
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: richw911 on 18 May 2010, 22:37
the juddering will be down to that pipe being split. Replace that and see how you go but it sounds like your N75 needs replacing too

+1 and get a 007p on there  :laugh:
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: Biggs on 19 May 2010, 06:50
the juddering will be down to that pipe being split. Replace that and see how you go but it sounds like your N75 needs replacing too

+1 and get a 007p on there  :laugh:



Is the standard DV no good then ??
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 19 May 2010, 08:18
Thanks all.

Wazzzer, does the n75 sit at the front of the bay under a metal bracket and is it costly (dealer part?)

Also Richw911, does the 007p replace the re-circ valve at the back of the bay? and again is it costly?

Cheers all for the helpful responses.

Ger
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: T_J_G on 19 May 2010, 09:44
The n75 is next to your DV. Top right of yor pic.

Yes the 007p replaces the standard VW item costs about £80 but well worth doing if you intend to keep the car a while.

Have you seen the silicone replacement hoses for that Y shaped one? They'd probably be better than spending £30 at VW on the Y piece.
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 19 May 2010, 09:52
Thank TJG.

Is the n75 the one with the ribbed conduit coming off it in my pic?

Also, where can I get a silicone Y shaped tube?

Cheers!
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Stronz on 19 May 2010, 10:39
Have a gander at this matey:

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=129995.0

Had exactly the same issue as you.
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 19 May 2010, 11:21
Awesome, thanks Stronz, im all over it,


hmm which colour, black blue or red....
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: T_J_G on 19 May 2010, 11:53
Black!
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Stronz on 19 May 2010, 11:58
Lol, I didn't even remember to request a colour, but got sent a blue one. Considering replacing a few other pipes now to match in and tidy the bay up a bit..
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Big Tone on 19 May 2010, 12:39
I have a black y shaped breather and a blue lower breather, because I made the same mistake of not requesting a colour.

Fancy swapping? only three months on the car
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 19 May 2010, 13:45
Hey guys which N75 valve should I get?

Ive seen N75 C, F and J!

this one is a C:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/N75-C-Genuine-Audi-VW-Wastegate-Valve-058906283C-/200473540708?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2ead277864#ht_500wt_1182
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Rhyso on 19 May 2010, 13:52
I'd start by replacing bits you know are faulty / have splits in

Worry about the N75 AFTER you've replace the breather hose.  That way you'll hopefully end up sending less on parts :afro:

You need to eliminate the known problems first  :wink:
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 19 May 2010, 13:53
good point, fancy doing me a code read once I have replaced the pipe? (i can come to you)

The only other thing is the chirping noise... which is why i was looking into n279 n75.

One step at a time though eh!
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: Rhyso on 19 May 2010, 13:57
good point, fancy doing me a code read once I have replaced the pipe? (i can come to you)

The only other thing is the chirping noise... which is why i was looking into n279 n75.

One step at a time though eh!

No probs - drop me a text when you've replace the hose  :smiley:  Perhaps try and do some proper data logging too  :smiley:
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 24 May 2010, 21:39
ok, Ive replaced the hose - cheers all for the heads up regarding the ebay silicone one!

(Ive also replaced the fuel filter due to a random leak!)

I still have the chirping noise (more of a fplfplfpflll - according to my wife) on gear change (and a slight whistle when accelerating), I am waiting on some second hand bits to arrive (n75 and recirc valve) - see if they make any difference.

Ger
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Wazzzer on 24 May 2010, 21:40
recirc valve could well be dead, or a leak in another hose somewhere...
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 24 May 2010, 21:51
hopefully the bits will arrive tomorrow. I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: topher on 25 May 2010, 01:24
what was the exact fault code?

a faulty dv can throw throw false positives, particularly n249 related fault codes. I wouldn't even touch the N75 until the dv is checked/replaced as that is what will be causing the "sneezing pigeon" noise on gear changes.
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Wazzzer on 25 May 2010, 07:03
causing the "sneezing pigeon" noise on gear changes.

that has made my day  :grin: :grin:
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 25 May 2010, 10:49
Well, the recirc valve just arrived in the post, and the dog has beaten me to it and chewed it in half (well annoyed).

Anyone know the part number so I can order one from dealer?

Thanks
Ger
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: Rhyso on 25 May 2010, 10:51
Well, the recirc valve just arrived in the post, and the dog has beaten me to it and chewed it in half (well annoyed).

Anyone know the part number so I can order one from dealer?

Thanks
Ger

If you're on about the DV then get a Forge 007p - you'll never have to replace it (hopefully) unlike the standard one which you'll be replacing in a couple of years
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 25 May 2010, 10:58
im not sure budget permits. do you have the dealer part number and price? or a 007p price?

Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault read)
Post by: gerlewis on 27 May 2010, 15:10
Ive just fitted a new Blow-off Valve from the main stealers, and I 'think' the problem might be fixed!
I need to take it on a longer trip to be sure, but initially it seems to have stopped making the noise. Fingers crossed!

Now I can get back to saving for them keskins!

Thanks for all your help so far guys!
Title: Re: GTI Turbo stuttering and chirping noises..... (Rhyso has done me a fault rea
Post by: gerlewis on 05 June 2010, 14:45
Quick update: No more chirping noises, I think that problem is fixed.

One problem though, the cheap plastic pipe which goes into the bottom of the silicone T shaped pipe I replaced has split where it goes into my new silicone pipe!

Is there an aftermarket pipe I should look into getting to replace it? or does anyone else have experience with this pipe breaking?

Also, I still have a slight wooshing air sound as if there might be another air leak somewhere else? Is the pancake pipe a suspect? (Ive checked all the pipes on the top of the bay and they are fine). whats the best way to get a peak at the pancake?

Ger