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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: feivel on 18 May 2010, 14:18
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I've been in this forum for a while now and I recognised that quite a lot of your GTIs don't have xenon headlights. Yes it is a pricey option in the UK. I also noticed that xenons is quite rare in general in the UK.
Now I haven't had the choice to take xenons or not because they are standard in Switzerland on every GTI since model year 2006. Actually xenons are standard on most higher priced models from any car manufacturer and if not standardm they are a very popular option, far more popular than leather or sunroof or even sat nav.
I wouldn't buy any car without xenons because I think it's such a great comfort and safety feature. So my question to those without xenons: what do you think about them?
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I know you only asked for replies from people that dont have them.... but I'll leave my 2 pence worth anyway.
I specc'd them and they are by far the best mod I have had on the car. Not only do they do a cracking job, but these badboys are motorised and keep the beam level when going up and down hills and going round corners and they leave this sort of lightning flash when turned on along with a function test to get them balanced. It looks brilliant and definately a billy big bollox moment.
To the people that didnt spec them, they cant afford them, its simple. If they could they would have and no excuse otherwise is gonna change it.
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I always wanted Xenons on my Mini because they look brilliant. On the GTI there was no option given to me by my dealer to change lights. :huh:
That having been said I'm not altogether a fan of paying extra money for the Xenons. They wouldn't make my car any more special to me. Expensive yes... more modern perhaps but to special to me... no.
The other thing I might add is that alot of folk got Xenons cause they were the "new thing" but now there are LED's which are all the trend.
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+1 with kev. xenons are the nuts, not only do they look the bollocks but they are an excellent safety feature. a GTI without them just looks wrong. bit like a GTI with 17" wheels - no, no no. :wink:
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I always wanted Xenons on my Mini because they look brilliant. On the GTI there was no option given to me by my dealer to change lights. :huh:
That having been said I'm not altogether a fan of paying extra money for the Xenons. They wouldn't make my car any more special to me. Expensive yes... more modern perhaps but to special to me... no.
The other thing I might add is that alot of folk got Xenons cause they were the "new thing" but now there are LED's which are all the trend.
Thats the thing with LED's, ok arguably they are brighter and if not now will be in the future over Xenon's but are they really needed ? Xenon over Hal is like night and day. How much brighter than a Xenon do you need ?
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they came as standard on the £13k Lupo Gti bloody years ago... and now VW want to charge £1800 for them on a £28k Golf Gti :sick:
just eat more carrots :cool:
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Thats the thing with LED's, ok arguably they are brighter and if not now will be in the future over Xenon's but are they really needed ? Xenon over Hal is like night and day. How much brighter than a Xenon do you need ?
I had a lexus behind me with full-on LED headlamps and my got they were intense. Because so much light is coming from such a small area they were dazzling - far more so even than xenons. No brighter on the road than my xenons as he overtook though.
I think here in the UK many people can't justify £1100 (which is a rip-off) when most of the time our road lighting and conditions mean the standard halogens are adequate. They should really be standard on the GTD/GTI.
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I don't have them. I'd like them.
The thing is that with SEAT you get the same system for about two thirds of the price, maybe less. With VW they charge a considerable sum for them and in the UK we're used to being ripped off by just about everyone and expect poor service from just about everyone, so an awful lot of people aren't prepared to pay through their nose for something that other cars have either as standard or as a much cheaper option.
Plus with the current poor exchange rate a Golf isn't exactly good value for money which ever way you look at it to start with at basic list price.
Added to all the above, many cars in the UK are employer funded or part funded through leases. To keep the lease costs down the spec tends to be fairly basic.
I unfortunately pay for my own car thus it was bought in as basic a spec as I could find and I added all the extras I wanted myself (or am in the process of). This has 2 benefits, one being that it saves me a lot of money and the other being that it's quite good fun doing a bit of bargain hunting.
Then finally there's the point that I hardly use the GTI anyway. If I did a lot of driving the Xenons would have made a lot more financial sense.
Still awake after all that? Well you did ask!!! :)
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Xenon’s are undoubtedly better than standard lights, when I specced my car I couldn’t justify paying £1800 extra on lights, I hardly ever use the car at night as it’s a second car. (I paid for my car outright with cash so go figure if I could afford them) :wink: :grin::
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I had them on a Honda Civic I used to have and they are certainly better than std, but are they worth £1800 as an option? - I didn't think so (and I could have afforded them :grin: )
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Had them as std on the R32. were they good? yes.
were they £1000+ good no! i wouldnt even pay £500 for them if it was an option. There honestly isnt that much of a difference in terms of what you can see. They just have a clearer light and look good.
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Don't have them and have not even thought about it until I read this thread.
The standard lights look good and are perfectly fine for night driving. I live in the countty so no street lights and lots of dark lanes.
I might upgrade the bulbs for £20 but that would be reluctantly.
Such an expensive option that I would hardly use anyway so a no brainer.
My ML has xenons with the cornering feature so I am fully aware of how much better they are than normal lights but there is a limit to to what I will pay for what is in effect a couple of brighter bulbs. I mean £1800 !!! and yes I could have afforded them as well.
Could not justify the leather option either, that was over priced as well.
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Tbh I found the standard spec of the car to be brill... I think most people with GTI's can afford Xenons but most people who don't get them do so because they don't reckon the lights are worth it. My car isn't any less good without them.
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Mine came as standard - but if they hadn't, I would definately be paying for them.
Yes, they're overpriced - but they're essential for night time driving... especially on back roads. I love the way they dance when I start the car up :cool:
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Xenons or remap and ACC.
Hmmm.
Not a fan of Xenons, a bit like leather for me. I wouldn't want either even if they were free.
Plenty here like them though.
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Too much glare from Hid xenon lights. They don't last forever and cost a fortune to replace. Secondhand buyers are wary of them.
Led headlights should see them off.
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Xenons or remap and ACC.
Hmmm.
Not a fan of Xenons, a bit like leather for me. I wouldn't want either even if they were free.
Plenty here like them though.
ACC: THE MUST HAVE OPTION. :smiley:
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£1800 xenons or two mk2 Golf GTi's... I know which option I'd prefer :smiley:
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£1800 xenons or two mk2 Golf GTi's... I know which option I'd prefer :smiley:
I bet you couldn't buy the mk2 in your sig for £1800! :wink:
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£1800 xenons or two mk2 Golf GTi's... I know which option I'd prefer :smiley:
I bet you couldn't buy the mk2 in your sig for £1800! :wink:
I would like to see were you would get 2 decent mk2 GTis for that money.
PS its
£1110 for xenons NOT £1800 who ever came up with that figure
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£1800 xenons or two mk2 Golf GTi's... I know which option I'd prefer :smiley:
I bet you couldn't buy the mk2 in your sig for £1800! :wink:
£900 in fact :wink: so the cost of 1 xenon heh
£1800 xenons or two mk2 Golf GTi's... I know which option I'd prefer :smiley:
I bet you couldn't buy the mk2 in your sig for £1800! :wink:
I would like to see were you would get 2 decent mk2 GTis for that money.
My GTI is pretty reasonable for half the price :lipsrsealed:
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So you paid £555 for your 91 mk2 GTI 8V, ie half the current price of xenons, i bet it has been round the world a few times with galactic miles, has some running problems maybe, worn out bushes or interior or makes tettle teabags look solid once you start poking and prodding it for that price. :tongue: :wink: :tongue: As something up with it for that price either that or you got a bargin.
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So you paid £555 for your mk2 GTI, ie half the price of xenons, i bet it has been round the world a few times with galactic milage and makes tettle teabags look solid once you start poking and prodding it :tongue:
sorry, was under the impression xenons were a £1800 option... my mistake. Nope my car cost me £900... and it is getting towards galactic milage... 189,800 :smiley: aiming to get to 200,000 then decide whether or not to get a newer GTi... depending on how much I save £££££
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Had them as std on the R32. were they good? yes.
were they £1000+ good no! i wouldnt even pay £500 for them if it was an option. There honestly isnt that much of a difference in terms of what you can see. They just have a clearer light and look good.
Thats one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum to date. Very surprised it came from you.
I suppose your an ugly f**k*r and think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that your fat but call yourself big boned too ?
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Who says xenons are not popular?
Quite a few folks on this forum have xenons and they are all well in favour of them. Personally I find them quite remarkable, where I live once out of town it is all open countryside with loads of hills and so I find them an absolute godsend.
I specced my xenons over the leather option because I can live without leather but I could'nt bear to be without my xenons.
Gizzy
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As I don't do much long distance night time driving, I did not spec them.
I think they are rather nice to have and I would in retrospect spec them. I was being extremely stingy when I specced the car.
Poor Wolfgang has miopic vision because of me! :sad:
I'd like my car to wink at Kev's whenever we meet head-on! :laugh:
..... In the stationary mode obviously! :grin:
...... and wth Gizzy in the dynamic mode! :kiss: :laugh:
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As I don't do much long distance night time driving, I did not spec them.
I think they are rather nice to have and I would in retrospect spec them. I was being extremely stingy when I specced the car.
Poor Wolfgang has miopic vision because of me! :sad:
I'd like my car to wink at Kev's whenever we meet head-on! :laugh:
..... In the stationary mode obviously! :grin:
...... and wth Gizzy in the dynamic mode! :kiss: :laugh:
:kiss:lol, have you had the front splitter and sides hammerited yet?
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:kiss:lol, have you had the front splitter and sides hammerited yet?
Off topic, but here we go!
Won't touch the sides (!) or the front lips. Just the rear ones which I hope to hand-in (!) on Friday. :smiley:
You bring out the best in me! :kiss:
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:kiss:lol, have you had the front splitter and sides hammerited yet?
Off topic, but here we go!
Won't touch the sides (!) or the front lips. Just the rear ones which I hope to hand-in (!) on Friday. :smiley:
You bring out the best in me! :kiss:
:grin:
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Xenons are a cars necklace, alloys are the designer shoes and rear LEDs are the anklets!
How gloriously camp! :laugh:
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Xenons are a cars necklace, alloys are the designer shoes and rear LEDs are the anklets!
How gloriously camp! :laugh:
What are the exhausts :huh: :laugh:
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To the people that didnt spec them, they cant afford them, its simple. If they could they would have and no excuse otherwise is gonna change it.
VWkev, I could have afforded them, the reason I didn't spec them is that I wasn't really aware of just how much better then normal lights they are, not having had a car with them on before. I'm thinking of having them retro fitted by my dealer if that's possible - not sure it is. I asked the salesman I dealt with for the purchase about this and he thought it may not be possible, but a saleman isn't really a tech. Do any of you guys know if the proper VW Xenon's can be retro fitted? [I think there's a lot more to it than just changing the head lamp units]
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To be legal in the UK, xenons require an auto leveling sensor and headlight washers.
If you have the Winter Pack you'll already be covered with the headlight washers.
I don't think it'd be a cheap retrofit for a set of genuine VW xenons?
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Having had them on the Edition 30 and my daily driver company car, its the only option I really regret not getting on the mk6.
Will most definatly be getting them on our next new car.
Dave
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Had them as std on the R32. were they good? yes.
were they £1000+ good no! i wouldnt even pay £500 for them if it was an option. There honestly isnt that much of a difference in terms of what you can see. They just have a clearer light and look good.
Thats one of the most ridiculous things I've read on this forum to date. Very surprised it came from you.
I suppose your an ugly f**k*r and think beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that your fat but call yourself big boned too ?
Not really. I mean if you jump from car to car then yes the difference is going to be much more noticeable. But having to jump between my dads BMW and mine the difference in light colour is very apparent but there isnt much you miss in terms of whats on the road. Either way they are still not worth the extra money.
+ one major benifit of not having them means you dont stand out like a sore thumb at night :wink: :cool:
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No doubt they are very good to have. Not sure it warrants the high price tag though. Really they should be standard on the GTi/GTD, or maybe charge £500 as an option.
Either way, i still went for them because i had them on the R32.
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Too be honest, I am a bit disappointed with my Xenon. When compare with Land Rovers or Beemers, they are nowhere near as bright. It is still better than standard halogens. The 4 figure cost is a bit of a joke! However I still enjoy whenever I start my car, the lamp adjusts itself and pedestrian think you are a show-off or w*****r!
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To the people that didnt spec them, they cant afford them, its simple. If they could they would have and no excuse otherwise is gonna change it.
VWkev, I could have afforded them, the reason I didn't spec them is that I wasn't really aware of just how much better then normal lights they are, not having had a car with them on before. I'm thinking of having them retro fitted by my dealer if that's possible - not sure it is. I asked the salesman I dealt with for the purchase about this and he thought it may not be possible, but a saleman isn't really a tech. Do any of you guys know if the proper VW Xenon's can be retro fitted? [I think there's a lot more to it than just changing the head lamp units]
Fair enough dude, maybe what I said was a bit blunt.
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Not ever having had them but been blinded many a time by them, usually by some 4x4s though, I don't know much about them.
Anyone know why they have to have washers with them?
Also if they do that self levelling trick when you start up, can you drive off straight away or have to wait till they are settled
What if you are parked on a steep hill?
I take it you can drive off straight away and starting on a hill is no problem but just curious as to how they actually work.
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+ one major benifit of not having them means you dont stand out like a sore thumb at night :wink: :cool:
i like standing out like a sore thumb at night - means people get the fook out of my way when they see my xenons making them squint :cool:
if you're spending 24k odd on a car, its a no brainer to put them on. plus you're adding other extras to the car so you might as well go the full monty. they look better, they are better for safety and they add to the resale value (i certainly would not buy a car without them).
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Not ever having had them but been blinded many a time by them, usually by some 4x4s though, I don't know much about them.
Anyone know why they have to have washers with them? - Dono, but its against the law not to have them.
Also if they do that self levelling trick when you start up, can you drive off straight away or have to wait till they are settled
What if you are parked on a steep hill? - Yeah you can drive off right away, its only about a 5 secs quick check the car does. If you are parked on a steep hill, the lights will dip down to light the road rather than half the sky.
I take it you can drive off straight away and starting on a hill is no problem but just curious as to how they actually work. - Yep, all is the same as if you had ordinary lights. They work by focusing the light on where you are driving rather than being 'straight' ahead all the time. i.e. If you go round a bend, the xenons will move to the side to light up the road to whichever way your turning, so e.g. if your turning a left bend the lights will move into that turn automatically for you rather than staying straight ahead, that way you see more of the road/bend. If you go uphill, they will dip for you, and if you go downhill they will raise up slightly. They are a little bit of genius in my opinion.
my answers in bold.
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+ one major benifit of not having them means you dont stand out like a sore thumb at night :wink: :cool:
i like standing out like a sore thumb at night - means people get the fook out of my way when they see my xenons making them squint :cool:
if you're spending 24k odd on a car, its a no brainer to put them on. plus you're adding other extras to the car so you might as well go the full monty. they look better, they are better for safety and they add to the resale value (i certainly would not buy a car without them).
:laugh: god I've missed you mate :grin:
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+ one major benifit of not having them means you dont stand out like a sore thumb at night :wink: :cool:
i like standing out like a sore thumb at night - means people get the fook out of my way when they see my xenons making them squint :cool:
if you're spending 24k odd on a car, its a no brainer to put them on. plus you're adding other extras to the car so you might as well go the full monty. they look better, they are better for safety and they add to the resale value (i certainly would not buy a car without them).
:laugh: god I've missed you mate :grin:
I dont have any trouble getting people out of the way... its others sat in side roads with zappers that they seem to attract more.
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Cheers Kev. Do they also bend right on to oncoming traffic or are xenons only useful for going round left bends? (Serious question by the way)
I know it is illegal not to have washers with xenons, but why? What function do they provide its not as if the washers come on automatically to clear the headlamps. It seems strange that the law insists you have an option with them but that option doesn't have to be used.
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I've got Xenons and they are Brilliant - Probably the best option i got ! (but at that price you should also get rear LED's)
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:laugh: god I've missed you mate :grin:
ha ha i wish i could post as much as i used too - now i am more selective in my responses!! :grin:
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Cheers Kev. Do they also bend right on to oncoming traffic or are xenons only useful for going round left bends? (Serious question by the way)
I know it is illegal not to have washers with xenons, but why? What function do they provide its not as if the washers come on automatically to clear the headlamps. It seems strange that the law insists you have an option with them but that option doesn't have to be used.
Yeah, if your going round a roundabout, esp one of those big jobbies it will move to always give you the best/full view of the road ahead. I went out one night and had a right good play around with them, they are pretty clever.
This is a guess by the way, but I'm assuming there is some sort of sensor that will detect how much the wheel has turned and for how long then send a signal to the lights to compensate for the amount of turn that you have done, and for up and down I assume some sort of balance is in place to tilt or raise for how much the balance has been adjusted then send the signal again to the lights.
It must have a slight time delay because if you go over a hump on the road the lights dont go nuts (up and down) if you know what I mean, and if you zip through a roundabout and take a quick first exit you can be too fast for them.
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:laugh: god I've missed you mate :grin:
ha ha i wish i could post as much as i used too - now i am more selective in my responses!! :grin:
Quality mate, not quantity :wink:
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i got xenons and i love them but nowadays I see a lot of chavs driving around with their fog lights on.
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i got xenons and i love them but nowadays I see a lot of chavs driving around with their fog lights on.
Until the cops pull them over.
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i got xenons and i love them but nowadays I see a lot of chavs driving around with their fog lights on.
Until the cops pull them over.
i know but it s like every third car is turning them on with their normal lights and most of the drivers are pakis (no offense). Though the most embarrassing is the fog lights are of a white/xenon like color and their normal light is a yellowish halogen light. That doesn't look good it's a FAIL. I'm not sure if you guys have seen it but it's just looks wrong and embarrassing. !!!!! :sick:
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Xenons are overpriced.
If I was to buy a new car I'd rather spend 1k on a holiday than xenons.
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Xenons are a cars necklace, alloys are the designer shoes and rear LEDs are the anklets!
How gloriously camp! :laugh:
What are the exhausts :huh: :laugh:
I could'nt possible comment! :laugh:
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I know it is illegal not to have washers with xenons, but why? What function do they provide its not as if the washers come on automatically to clear the headlamps. It seems strange that the law insists you have an option with them but that option doesn't have to be used.
Dirt on the headlamp lens supposedly scatters the light. As it is of greater intensity from xenons the idea is that cleaning them regularly will reduce this - hence the headlamp washers. In practise I think a wet headlamp lens will scatter more light than a dry dirty one, and of course your headlamps only get a squirt if you happen to use your windscreen washers when the lights are on... but it probably does help a bit when the roads are salty in winter.
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Xenons are overpriced.
If I was to buy a new car I'd rather spend 1k on a holiday than xenons.
very well put. £1100 seems such a crazy amount of money to spend on just lights. i would rather consider speccing DSG or ACC instead as i think it would be useful in day to day use.
if you can afford it, then great, kudos to you. for the rest of us poor souls, the normal lights will do fine.
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I don't have Xenons because I wanted my car in a week and there were four built and ready to roll, none of which had xenons. If one of them did I would have paid the £1100 but i'm not that bothered that I haven't got them.
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I don't have Xenons because I wanted my car in a week and there were four built and ready to roll, none of which had xenons. If one of them did I would have paid the £1100 but i'm not that bothered that I haven't got them.
Is it not possible to organise a GB for this as we did for the rear LEDs?
I would love to have those dancing Xenons.
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To be legal in the UK, xenons require an auto leveling sensor and headlight washers.
If you have the Winter Pack you'll already be covered with the headlight washers.
I don't think it'd be a cheap retrofit for a set of genuine VW xenons?
Wrong....
Go check the a MOT inspectorate about headlamp washers. That is not a fail if the car doesnt have them.
Its purely aim and light pattern must be correct.
I had this checked as im fitting R32 Xenon lamps to mine this weekend by 2 different MOT testers and different Garages.
Washer fluid will not shift stuborn dirt or dead flys from your headlight lenses.Thus unless your constantly getting out and wiping the headlights clean, then does that then make them illegal and possible prosecution??.
Headlamp Wiper blades/wiper arms would have to be fitted if what a few of you have said about lenses with dirt effect light and pattern!!.
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Wrong....
Go check the a MOT inspectorate about headlamp washers. That is not a fail if the car doesnt have them.
Its purely aim and light pattern must be correct.
I had this checked as im fitting R32 Xenon lamps to mine this weekend by 2 different MOT testers and different Garages.
As you say, the MOT only tests beam pattern and aim. MOT's do not check for most of the other requirements of the road vehicles construction and use regulations or the EC/ECE regulations - including those concerning gas discharge lamps and the requirement for headlamp washers and level adjustment.
Your car will pass the MOT but will still be technically illegal, enforceable under section 42 (I think) of the Road Traffic Act. In practise no one will care, but if there is such a thing as a sharp-minded traffic cop (or more likely a pedantic one) he could bust you for it.
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^^^ if its not an MOT failure, then the Police CANNOT place a prosecution.
Your last statement cannot be a correct.
If the Police say its illegal, and all MOT stations say its totally legal.
Thats almost like being pulled for having a Magic tree air fresher hanging from your rear view mirror, an MOT Failure but the police wouldnt pull you over for it.
Also Since when, unless a copper knows if my car has washers just by looking at it???.
I wouldnt know unless i actually owned one lol.
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They do look good & ''yes'' should be standard kit on a GTI.
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^^^ if its not an MOT failure, then the Police CANNOT place a prosecution.
Your last statement cannot be a correct.
If the Police say its illegal, and all MOT stations say its totally legal.
Not my intention to argue with you but my statement is correct. The MOT is not necessarily the deciding factor in legality of a vehicle. If you contravene construction and use regs, your car is illegal. A good example is the current trend on older Golfs to have wide wheels where the rim protrudes from the arch and tyres which are really too narrow are stretched out to give clearance. As long as the wheel/tyre and arch don't make contact and the tread is under the arch - MOT pass. Then Mr Policeman pulls then up and gives them a ticket under section X of the road traffic act. There's been plenty of cases talked about over on Edition 38.
Quote from the road traffic act: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4)
42 Offence where regulations are contravened, etc
(1) Subject to subsection (2) below and sections 43 and 44 of this Act, a person who—
(a) contravenes or fails to comply with any regulations under section 41 of this Act, or
(b) uses on a road a motor vehicle or trailer which does not comply with any such regulations or causes or permits a vehicle to be so used,
is guilty of an offence.
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^^^ if its not an MOT failure, then the Police CANNOT place a prosecution.
Your last statement cannot be a correct.
If the Police say its illegal, and all MOT stations say its totally legal.
Not my intention to argue with you but my statement is correct. The MOT is not necessarily the deciding factor in legality of a vehicle. If you contravene construction and use regs, your car is illegal. A good example is the current trend on older Golfs to have wide wheels where the rim protrudes from the arch and tyres which are really too narrow are stretched out to give clearance. As long as the wheel/tyre and arch don't make contact and the tread is under the arch - MOT pass. Then Mr Policeman pulls then up and gives them a ticket under section X of the road traffic act. There's been plenty of cases talked about over on Edition 38.
Quote from the road traffic act: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4 (http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880052_en_4)
42 Offence where regulations are contravened, etc
(1) Subject to subsection (2) below and sections 43 and 44 of this Act, a person who—
(a) contravenes or fails to comply with any regulations under section 41 of this Act, or
(b) uses on a road a motor vehicle or trailer which does not comply with any such regulations or causes or permits a vehicle to be so used,
is guilty of an offence.
Thats all well and good, but i fail to see where it states that xenons need headlamp washers or they are illegal ??That is what this is all about and not anything else which is in General terms.
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Very pleased with the performance of the xenon's and like the way the turn with the steering wheel going round tight bends. Going up a hill the point down while going down a hill they point up which all adds up to safety. Having used them for the first time I would always order them now. However when it comes to safety anything relating to it should come as standard and that equates to a dearer car.
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Wish I had specced them. Too late now.
Can still be purchased with Auto levelling for 1018 Euros. (German eBay 799 Euros for Xenons, KUFATEC 219 Euros Self levellers for ACC cars).
Then there is labour and all the wiring! Will get expensive.
Will probably end up paying total 1400 Euros approx.
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Thats all well and good, but i fail to see where it states that xenons need headlamp washers or they are illegal ??
Here http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps)
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To be legal in the UK, xenons require an auto leveling sensor and headlight washers.
Wrong....
Here http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps)
A quote from the above site:
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
Apology accepted :laugh:
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Still not an MOT failure. So im correct on my 1st statement :tongue:
and mine are not a part conversion to HID.Ie i havent mixed lenses with Aftermarket bulbs etc which would alter beam pattern. Mine all full VW Xenon headlamps.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
Its asking you not to mix/ match stuff together in other words.
Not an MOT failure whatever you say Peeps :lipsrsealed:
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Still not an MOT failure. So im correct on my 1st statement :tongue:
Not an MOT failure whatever you say Peeps :lipsrsealed:
My statement never said they were an MOT failure though - it simply said to be LEGAL they must have a level sensor and headlight washers... which is true according to that website!
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So after reading all the posts the conclusion is that we would all love to spec Xenons if they were not so overpriced and those who have not done so are being sensible with their money.
About right, what, what! :laugh: