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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: KennyGTI on 09 May 2010, 18:23
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Went to go to my local REVO dealer yesterday to find his company has went bust :sad: So nearest dealer now is Edinburgh, which is vey near APR. Has anyone got APR on there Golf? Onlyseems to be Revo or Bluefin people have? I find it strange that REVO claim 275bhp with stage 1 and APR claim 250ish bhp, is that down to the Golf REVO had to test there stage 1 software was 230 bhp standard?
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Personally I'd go with any other european tuner instead of APR on a european GTI. So with your choices I'd go with REVO. :)
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I think 260 BHP is top with an OBD tuning ..anyone claiming more has to prove it on a rollerbank...say your MK VI is 211 BHP they can give it an extra of 45 BHP (in some cases a few BHP more) so do the math... :wink:
The only thing I have encountered is a measurement of an odd MK VI of 220 BHP to start with...so if all the odds are okay you can reach 265-270 but the majority will stay lower...not that that's important because after your remap you will have a ROCKET..... :laugh:
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im also wondering which remap to go for. i was thinking about going APR because i like the idea of switching between modes which would be useful when i take the car for an oil change at the dealership , but then just hearing REVO claiming 270bhp stage makes me very tempted... :evil:
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Check Neils graph figures out of his revo. :wink:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/scan0001.jpg)
Tuning companys Its all BS numbers its the GAINS and smoothness you need to look at. As well as a few other signs.
All are about the same gain wise it comes down to who you trust knows what there doing with the original program ing of the software and has any options you want.
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WhatIi don't get out of this graph is how they measure the torque......standard it is 280 and remapped e.g by JD Engineering (one of the best in the business) 380....
On the Horsepower bit they take it to 260 BHP...and give you a graph like Neil afterwards...
From ABT I didn't get anything (small ABT stamp)... :cry:.........................on the other hand they give you a very fast car to prove it... :cool:
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Am thinking of trying REVO, had APR and CustCode in the past so maybe give them a try. Have they released stage 2 yet? Am waitiong on delivery of a 3" TBE and Carbonio Induction, so in two minds whether to hold off or just get the stage 1?
Kenny
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i know this is another stupid question which i know the answer too :undecided:
if i were to go APR and take my car for a service i could set it back to stock so the dealers will never know i've chipped it meaning my warrenty would still be ok, but if they wanted too they can check my boast levels which would give it away correct?
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Im pretty sure that graph is at the wheel and not the engine.
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i know this is another stupid question which i know the answer too :undecided:
if i were to go APR and take my car for a service i could set it back to stock so the dealers will never know i've chipped it meaning my warrenty would still be ok, but if they wanted too they can check my boast levels which would give it away correct?
Apparently they can see how many times the ECU has been written to but they need specialist software to know for sure.
I'm pretty confident that if something on the engine blew and they had doubts of whether it had been remapped or not, they would go to the hassle of proving it.
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Apparently they can see how many times the ECU has been written to but they need specialist software to know for sure.
I'm pretty confident that if something on the engine blew and they had doubts of whether it had been remapped or not, they would go to the hassle of proving it.
It seems when the car goes in for a service the ECU is updated and it is then they can see if it was re-mapped or the re-map removed. They have told me categorically, they would have great problems honouring warranty issues or other issues that may arise and which could be associated with a re-map. It seems alot of the dealers have been made aware that there are quite a few re-mapped GTis!Quite a risk to take IMO.
But I still want to re-map! :laugh:
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I wouldnt worry about it, i got a new turbo unit when i had my Polo under warrenty with a remap on it. Dealers still get paid regardless from VW, so they would be daft to knock it back?
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I would take what Kenny says with a large pinch of salt. Id bet my mortgage that if they find out your car is remaped and your turbo or engine blow they WONT do anything under waranty on it.
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I would take what Kenny says with a large pinch of salt. Id bet my mortgage that if they find out your car is remaped and your turbo or engine blow they WONT do anything under waranty on it.
Your dead right there Alan, no way would they touch any car thats been re-mapped (if they find out of course) :wink:
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I would take what Kenny says with a large pinch of salt. Id bet my mortgage that if they find out your car is remaped and your turbo or engine blow they WONT do anything under waranty on it.
Take it with a bag of salt if you want, fact is my Polo got a full turbo unit, with new oil and coolant all under warrenty when i had it remapped. Not a questioned asked. :smiley:
Regardless, they are going to be paid by VW so why would they knock back any work? But its really up to yourself if you want to get it remapped or wait till its out of warrenty.
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Dont get me wrong, Im not saying that didnt happen. I just think your case is a very unqiue situation and tbh Im not really sure how you got away with that. It clearly says that if you modify you waranty is void.
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I have been on car forums for a few years now and i can never recall reading anywhere that someone has been knocked backed because of a remap. They must of known my Polo was remapped when they took it out as it was still pulling hard even thugh the turbo was running a wee bit dry! Really is down to the individual, whether they want to risk it or not, i know what am planning on doing :rolleyes:
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This is confuising me now, I dont understand . . .lol
Moding the car voids the waranty if its proved said mod could have lead to the fault (remap + blown turbo is like adding 2 and 2 together). Not really sure whats going on here :undecided:
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Im pretty sure that graph is at the wheel and not the engine.
I agree looking at it. And the corrected figures are the ones in brackets ie power=256->258bhp. Torque=273->274
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Im pretty sure that graph is at the wheel and not the engine.
I agree looking at it. And the corrected figures are the ones in brackets ie power=256->258bhp. Torque=273->274
What is the standard torque of the GTI ?
i dont know if the graph is showing the true figures cos it feels like its got more power than that, its like a rocket and seems to be getting quicker, i have clocked up another 5k since then :smiley:
Feel a visit to Awesome coming on to fit possibly the APR zorst and carbonio intake and may even remove Revo and go APR stage 2 :sad:
Had the APR on the mk5 and was a lot smoother power than the Revo :sad:
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I will probably go with Bluefin if and when I re-map.
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It ends up in a very stupid discussion....a bit like should I insure my house or not......because not one in the block had accidents over the years...
The solution is very simple...if you have the money in the bank.... say....5000 Euro for a new engine....it is not a problem to take a gamble .....no make that a calculated risk...and you can safely go-ahead and remap it "cheap"(er) .......
I would find it for instance incredible stupid to take a risk with a new car based on a few 100 extra....in a case that maybe you are even still paying for the car itself... :lipsrsealed:
I have been busy for months checking everything out...insurance co's, lease co, dealers, tuners and even official VW dealers asking a bit more money as (engine)insurance when they advise other tuners to me !!!!!....in the end I did it officially....the money is well spend....there is also such a thing as trying to do things too cheap....doing wrong investments...wrong bargains...but again you will be the judge... :rolleyes:
just my 2 cents
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Erik: VW Racing (VWR) also use Bluefin/Superchips and now Revo. Superchips are a very trustworthy company and they have had an excellent review in the latest Evo magazine. They have been in the re-mapping/re-chipping business longer than most in this country. :smiley:
PS: My dealer does not offer a re-map service. Not many or any (?) dealers in the UK offer this.
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I've been debating getting mine done, but I really dont want to invalidate my warranty, so might get it done after the 3 years is up. My mate at F1 brighton (http://www.f1btn.com/html/f1btn_custom_code_remaps.html) swears by Custom Code on VAG cars, he's got a silly spec S4 Avante modded to the extreme.
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I've been debating getting mine done, but I really dont want to invalidate my warranty, so might get it done after the 3 years is up. My mate at F1 brighton (http://www.f1btn.com/html/f1btn_custom_code_remaps.html) swears by Custom Code on VAG cars, he's got a silly spec S3 Avante modded to the extreme.
Same here spooner, was going to get it done next month at GTI international as REVO usually offer a discount at the show, think it was 20% last year.
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Superchips are a very trustworthy company and they have had an excellent review in the latest Evo magazine. They have been in the re-mapping/re-chipping business longer than most in this country. :smiley:
Not so long ago Superchips had an absolutely shocking reputation. In fact most car enthusiasts were amazed they stayed in business.
Hopefully they have turned a corner and as a British company I wish them well.
But I went with REVO as the people behind them are dedicated VAG specialists. Mark Yates who is one of the leading lights behind REVO has been modifying GTIs for many many years too. He is/was the man behind Stealth Racing and previous to that MYtech. If my memory serves me correctly MYtech were one of the first to get a mk2 Golf GTI road car to 200bhp normally aspirated. Then again I might be wrong as it was a very long time ago!
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I've been debating getting mine done, but I really dont want to invalidate my warranty, so might get it done after the 3 years is up.
The other option is around 1400 euro ABT and have the coming 3 years a very fast car.
As Jeremy said:.. that is a cup of coffee and a donut a day...I can live without that.
BTW you'll be getting a bit back in fuel costs :grin:
If only the ones in doubt get the chance to drive in a remap...suddenly there are no discussions anymore :evil:
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My mate at F1 brighton (http://www.f1btn.com/html/f1btn_custom_code_remaps.html) swears by Custom Code on VAG cars
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After reading several peoples experience with them on this forum I wouldnt touch CC with a barge pole.
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My mate at F1 brighton (http://www.f1btn.com/html/f1btn_custom_code_remaps.html) swears by Custom Code on VAG cars
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After reading several peoples experience with them on this forum I wouldnt touch CC with a barge pole.
Cheers Alan, I was hoping someone might give me a bit of ammo to disuade me against CC - I'd never heard of them until my mate told me about them. Superchip I've known about for years.
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GolfTi is delighted with Bluefin.
They have also had a good write-up in Evo. :smiley:
Besides, Bluefin seems such an elegant solution IMO.
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Revo for me. I can also put my car back to stock whenever I want :smiley:
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Revo for me. I can also put my car back to stock whenever I want :smiley:
At the risk of sounding completely ignorant (see I am covering myself from abuse!), is there a switch that you can use? Is it an instant change?
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http://www.revotechnik.com/products/select.aspx
(http://www.revotechnik.com/products/images/spsheader.jpg)
The 'select' gives the user the ability to switch between stock and performance mode. This performance mode can be set by your Revo Technik dealer to suit your car, fuel quality and climatic conditions. Additionally the 'select' features an Anti theft function which is designed to disable the ECU itself. Switch functionality varies for different vehicles, please refer to your Revo Technik dealer.
Cost £149.00 + VAT on top of the £500 for the remap.
Id rather have a Revo than a Bluefin on a MK6 as I have heard nothing but good things from Revo and some mixed reviews from Bluefin (this is with reagrds to the MK5 not MK6). This is all IMO.
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Thanks.
Like it, especially the disabling feature. :smiley:
Decisions, decisions ...... :rolleyes:
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As alan says the revo is the one that most mk5 boys have gone for having tried others. the disable function means no one can drive your car with or without keys... so perfect if you have been sleeping with one eye open.
I managed to get the switch for free as they had an offer on before xmas. I am sure you can get a similar deal at one of the shows. Worth every penny :evil:
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As alan says the revo is the one that most mk5 boys have gone for having tried others. the disable function means no one can drive your car with or without keys... so perfect if you have been sleeping with one eye open.
I managed to get the switch for free as they had an offer on before xmas. I am sure you can get a similar deal at one of the shows. Worth every penny :evil:
+1 :smiley:
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If you're going to get REVO, definately visit one of the VW shows. They normally do somewhere round about 20% off plus include the select plus box. Well worth it and puts it at similar money to Bluefin.
No disrespect to Superchips but from doing extensive research on forums (okay, that's not very scientific I know) and speaking to the likes of JKM who sell the full range of gear the recommendations definately come stacked up in favour of REVO (on a petrol GTI at least). With Diesels there may be less in it as the tuning parameters are different where by a lot more depends literally on the amount of fuel bring thrown down the injectors.
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Three questions:
(1) If I remove the REVO re-map before the car goes in for a service, will they know it has been re-mapped previously?
(2) During the service if VW update the ECU, will I be able to re-load the REVO re-map without any problems or will the car have to be taken back to a REVO centre for a further re-map?
(3) If it has to be re-re-mapped, will I have to pay all over again?
The above questions might seem dumb to you guys, but I am trying to cover all bases before I take the plunge. :smiley:
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Three questions:
(1) If I remove the REVO re-map before the car goes in for a service, will they know it has been re-mapped previously?
(2) During the service if VW update the ECU, will I be able to re-load the REVO re-map without any problems or will the car have to be taken back to a REVO centre for a further re-map?
(3) If it has to be re-re-mapped, will I have to pay all over again?
The above questions might seem dumb to you guys, but I am trying to cover all bases before I take the plunge. :smiley:
Question 1 no it wont come up, question 2 Yes you can re-load it back on, question 3 no you won't have to pay again.
But Dealers do have ways & means if they suspect its been mapped!! Its a risk you take, (not for me i'm afraid need my warrenty intact) :cool:
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I think if you do get re-flashed by VW you will need the car re-re-mapped with REVO.
Best person to ask is REVO, there's lots of info on their website and they sponsor several VAG forums so you can ask them any questions you like in their sub-forums.
As an example:
http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/75.aspx
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(2) During the service if VW update the ECU, will I be able to re-load the REVO re-map without any problems or will the car have to be taken back to a REVO centre for a further re-map?
That has always intrigued me. If VW update the ECU they are obviously doing it for some sort of gain / stability.
If you have a Bluefin for example and return it back to the stock map, you are in effect taking it to a revision behind what is the present map!! Or does Bluefin allow you to save over the present map?
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^^ Dont know about superchips, but revo are always updating and improving their maps. Its up to you if you want to keep going back for the latest maps.
As for the dealership updating the stock map... I am quite sure the updated parameters will be also updated on the revo map :nerd:
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I am coming to the following conclusions:-
(1) If I re-install the REVO after the ECU has been re-flashed by VW, then I will get my original REVO re-map back which was installed with the non-flashed ECU.
(2) With Bluefin, I can re-read the newly flashed ECU, then re-load the Bluefin with the newly flashed ECU. This I cannot do with REVO, I presume, unless I go back to a REVO service centre.
(3) REVO is therefore a static installation, whereas Bluefin is a more active one.
(4) With REVO, I can disable the ECU completely to stop the car being stolen.
Are these reasonable deductions? Am I missing something? Advice most appreciated, please. :smiley:
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My first service on the Golf was carried out by the local VW indy specialist who supplied the Revo map. You don't have to take the car to VW for servicing so if you're worried about dealers clocking the map, don't take it there?
I called my local VW dealer to get my car booked in for the first service, thought it best to take it there and the twits never even called me back so they don't deserve my business.
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....You don't have to take the car to VW for servicing so if you're worried about dealers clocking the map, don't take it there?
Thanks Gossa. :smiley:
This is worth remembering.
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Definately gonna get mine remaped next month at GTI international.
Last year Revo had a special offer of a 20% discount plus a free go down the strip! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-transport027.gif) (http://[url=http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
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My first service on the Golf was carried out by the local VW indy specialist who supplied the Revo map. You don't have to take the car to VW for servicing so if you're worried about dealers clocking the map, don't take it there?
I called my local VW dealer to get my car booked in for the first service, thought it best to take it there and the twits never even called me back so they don't deserve my business. :cool:
Who pays for the parts Gossa If you blow the turbo or any other engine problems?
Re-map means more speed more money and so on?? Yes the smile is very nice but it's risky?
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Getting your car remap will be the best bang for buck you ca get! Will totally transform the car :laugh:
A stage 1 remap isnt going to blow up your engine, well within the safe parameters of the engine. If something does go faulty and you are worried about going to VW with a remap then simply get it taken back to "stock" so when they take it out a run it will feel stock and have no reason to look into it. Simple :smiley: