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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: p3eps on 12 April 2010, 20:18
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Here is a question for anyone technical!
I've got the Fiscon Plus kit under my desk just now waiting for my car to arrive (hopefully within a week :shocked: )
I want to put the Mic in the overhead light compartment, but I've heard that the call quality can be a bit poor in there.
With this in mind, I've tracked down the VW OEM mic - as there have been no call quality problem reports with this one.
I've just double checked the Fiscon Mic, and it has a standard 3.5mm jack on the end of it (like you'd find on your iPod headphones).
I've attached a photo of the VW OEM one which is below - but it has a totally different 'block' style connector... so obviously wouldn't be a straight swap.
Both Mics have two wires. I spend alot of my time at work soldering and making up boards etc - so I'm pretty confident with a soldering iron. I'm tempted to buy the OEM Mic and try to fit a 3.5mm jack on the end.
I would make it a totally seperate cable and leave my Fiscon one in tact - just incase it doesn't work.
Does anyone think this will actually work? The OEM Mic fits perfectly in the slot - and as a result doesn't have the road noise in call.
Worst case is I buy the OEM Mic and it doesn't work. Not a great loss.
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z92/p3eps/mic.jpg)
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The OEM microphone is 'active' whereas the FISCON one is a 'passive' device wih a lower sensitivity. Hence its positioning.
There will probably be an impedence and sensitivity mismatch with the OEM one when attached to the FISCON Bluetooth device. They are therefore incompatable.
This is what I was told by FISCON UK.
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The OEM microphone is 'active' whereas the FISCON one is a 'passive' device wih a lower sensitivity. Hence its positioning.
There will probably be an impedence and sensitivity mismatch with the OEM one when attached to the FISCON Bluetooth device. They are therefore incompatable.
This is what I was told by FISCON UK.
Thanks for the reply...
What is the difference between active and passive? Does the active one listen and only work when it gets a sound, and the passive one is on all the time?
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The OEM microphone is 'active' whereas the FISCON one is a 'passive' device wih a lower sensitivity. Hence its positioning.
There will probably be an impedence and sensitivity mismatch with the OEM one when attached to the FISCON Bluetooth device. They are therefore incompatable.
This is what I was told by FISCON UK.
Thanks for the reply...
What is the difference between active and passive? Does the active one listen and only work when it gets a sound, and the passive one is on all the time?
Are you trying to catch me out? :wink:
Anyway, here goes!
The output from a passive microphone is very low. It is therefore unable to drive an amplifier which in turn drives the loudspeaker. In order to increase the output of the passive microphone, an amplifier is built into the microphone (integrated) to increase its output. This is an active microphone. The output is now high enough to drive an amplifier.The OEM active microphone has probably also got some frequency shaping and a noise reduction circuit built-in. There is no doubt that the OEM active device is superior and FISCON also admited this from what I understood.
In the case of the FISCON passive microphone, there is a preamp built into the FISCON device itself, to amplify the passive microphone output so that it can drive the electronics. Therefore, the output from the OEM microphone will be too high for the FISCON device.
This is what I understood from my discussion with FISCON UK.
OR
I might be completely wrong! If I am: Oops!
At least I tried! :smiley:
However, no harm in trying to get the OEM microphone to work. :smiley:
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Quick question: Does the OEM microphone have twin ports?
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p3eps, that looks like the mice that plugs into the RNS510 for voice control etc.
Is it?
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How much is the OEM Mic ?
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p3eps, that looks like the mice that plugs into the RNS510 for voice control etc.
Is it?
That is the one from the OEM VW Bluetooth kit. I'm not sure if its the same as the RNS510 one? The cable doesn't look very long though :rolleyes:
How much is the OEM Mic ?
I found them on ebay for £10 plus a few £'s postage. I ordered one anyway before I posted the thread :embarassed:. Looks like it won't work. Its only £a tenner... no big loss!
Quick question: Does the OEM microphone have twin ports?
All I know about the OEM Mic is from what I've seen in the photo. It has 2 wires by the look of it - which is what I thought it might just be a case of chop and solder on a 3.5mm plug (and a bit more wire to get it from the roof to the back of the stereo).
Not trying to catch you out - I genuinely don't know the difference! Thanks for the explanation.
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Hi p3eps:
The reason I asked whether it has twin ports (acoustical) is because if it does, it is then even better as an active directional microphone and will be brilliant in filtering noise and thereby give a better speech-to-noise ratio (SRN) in comparison to the omni-directional passive FISCON microphone.
I can see why members don't wish to have a microphone sticking out of the 'A' pillar. Unfortunately, it seems, that the FISCON microphone will not work in the light housing due to its omni-directional nature, lower sensitivity, worse SRN, no noise reduction (NR) and no frequency shaping.
So annoying.
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Hi p3eps:
Just spoke to the lads at FISCON UK again.
The active OEM microphone will not work with the FISCON set-up. That is a given.
Maybe you should cut your losses and not bother with it and stick to the supplied passive microphone.
Positioning is going to be a problem for a good S/N ratio with this passive microphone. Does not work in the overhead light housing very well. Best place for it is the 'A' pillar.
Happy fitting.
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Thanks for the info on this am1w.
Personally I'm still gonna try and fit mine in the overhead area, you do say its not the best place to fit it but Its definately the neatest so I'm gonna try that there and if its no good, put it in the pillar.
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Another option would be to position the micro phone to the top of the steering column
I've done this and people have commented on how good the sound quality is
Bit of a ghetto fix but you can't see it when you're sat in the drivers seat :smiley:
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In my MK V it was fitted between the overheadlights and never gave me any problems...sometimes I accidentally wanted to give it a swirl thinking it was my roof button...but that was stupid me... :smiley: :embarassed:
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Thanks for the info on this am1w.
Personally I'm still gonna try and fit mine in the overhead area, you do say its not the best place to fit it but Its definately the neatest so I'm gonna try that there and if its no good, put it in the pillar.
I am holding back getting mine because I really do not like the idea of the microphone sticking out of the 'A' pillar. Looks so after market. I really hope the mounting inside the overhead light housing works well for all our sakes! :smiley:
All the best.
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p3eps, that looks like the mice that plugs into the RNS510 for voice control etc.
Is it?
That is the one from the OEM VW Bluetooth kit. I'm not sure if its the same as the RNS510 one? The cable doesn't look very long though :rolleyes:
Keep it for your RNS510 as it is the same one used for voice control
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-RNS510-Version-C-Update-Voice-Control-mic-2660_W0QQitemZ370260317882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET?hash=item56353c16ba (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-RNS510-Version-C-Update-Voice-Control-mic-2660_W0QQitemZ370260317882QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CE_GPS_Accessories_Software_ET?hash=item56353c16ba)
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For those that are interested... a Fiscon Mic for inside the light fitting:
http://www.kufatec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p1671_FISCON-Microphone-VW-interior-light.html
24 euros plus 14 euros shipping though :shocked:
I emailed them and asked if this solves the call quality issuse. They replied saying it was the same Mic in another housing made to fit in the light assembly. I then replied asking if it was the same Mic, then did it not still suffer from the quality issue. The reply said 'this microphone is designed for being fitted in the roof. Otherwise we would notsell it.'
I phoned Fiscon UK and asked them about it. They said they will get them later once they've been properly tested.
I may well bite the bullet and order one from Germany once I see how my quality is on the standard one. Could order a couple and save postage if anyone else is interested?
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p3eps:
I tried to speak to FISCON UK again and was cut off 3 times!
I got different answers from different people. Got completely peeved off and gave up.
Love to know how you get on.
Thanks for your infomation about the microphones. :smiley:
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What were you trying to speak to them about?
The person I spoke to was Rich, as he told me he'd got my PM!
I have an electronic genius at work checking the standar Mic for me at work tomorrow. He'll be able to answer the passive / active question then. He told me today that he very much doubts a piece of equipment made in the last 5+ years would have a passive Mic in it as active Mics are so cheap now and much more fit for purpose.
Who knows?!
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I asked them the same question. But I got a garbled answer. He spoke to me as if I would have found it difficult to understand the technicalities!
I even asked twice about which of the microphones was active or passive or not. Most microphones are active and this was what I was trying to tease out of him.
Then, I got cut-off for the second/third(?) time! So I gave up!
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I emailed them and asked if this solves the call quality issuse...............
p3eps what quality issue? The mike that came with my Fiscon is crystal clear.
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p3eps what quality issue? The mike that came with my Fiscon is crystal clear.
Apparently if you fit the standard supplied Mic into the light assembly, the quality is pretty poor.
If you fit it on the A-Pillar or in a visible place, its supposed to be fine.
I want it hidden, so want to go for the OEM light fitting location. :rolleyes:
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Apparently if you fit the standard supplied Mic into the light assembly, the quality is pretty poor.
If you fit it on the A-Pillar or in a visible place, its supposed to be fine.
I want it hidden, so want to go for the OEM light fitting location. :rolleyes:
I agree. I want it hidden also. :smiley:
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Me 2.
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Checked the Mic - its definately passive.
We plugged it into an amplifier, and we couldn't get it to make a noise!! It must be HEAVILY amplified by the Fiscon kit.
Pluggin in an Active Mic instead would likely blow the speakers as it would pick up every whisper. :nerd:
It looks like the Fiscon Mic made for inside the light fitting is our only option... but I'm a bit dubious if it will make the call quality any better than the standard one since its the same Mic inside a plastic housing :undecided:
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Checked the Mic - its definately passive.
It looks like the Fiscon Mic made for inside the light fitting is our only option... but I'm a bit dubious if it will make the call quality any better than the standard one since its the same Mic inside a plastic housing :undecided:
I knew it was passive and that the active VW OEM microphone would blow the FISCON electronics due to its greater output. Could not FISCON design their product with an active microphone?
The FISCON Bluetooth is a Parrot affair which employs a passive microphone. I suppose this sort of configuration is easier to use with a variety of aftermarket systems. The Parrot system is also used by Pioneer and Kenwood.
I only wish the VW Bluetooth preparation was compatible with the iPhone and the BlacKberry.
Erik had a problem with the VW setup and its incompatibility with his iPhone. So he had to buy a Nokia smart phone in addition!
I have been told that with the passive FISCON microphone in the light housing, the sound quality is not very good, as this microphone is not an active directional microphone.
This is becomming a real pain.
One thing I am sure of: I don't wish to have the microphone hanging from the 'A' pillar.
And now, I really don't know how to proceed and I am also desperate to get a Sat Nav installed. :rolleyes:
PS: Maybe your electronics engineer could use some series resistance to reduce the output from the OEM microphone so that it is compatible with the FISCON. He can measure the voltage from the passive microphone for a 60 dB SPL input and adjust the output of the OEM active microphone accordingly. He can also measure the input sensitivity of the FISCON device and then enable the OEM microhone to be compatible with it.
Oh, deary, deary me!
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If you have (or are fitting) an RNS510 with voice control, it'll have the VW mic in the overhead console anyway, so if you want to use Fiscon you'll have to fit their mic somewhere else. There are output pins on the back of the RNS for taking the VW mic signal to the factory car kit, so if you use a factory VW/Skoda non-rSAP kit you should be fine. The non rSAP kit is this one:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-BLUETOOTH-RNS510-MFD3-MFD-RCD-VOICE-CONTROL-VER-B_W0QQitemZ170462594740QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item27b05cc6b4 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-BLUETOOTH-RNS510-MFD3-MFD-RCD-VOICE-CONTROL-VER-B_W0QQitemZ170462594740QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_MobilePhones_MobilePhoneAccessories_MobilePhoneBatteries?hash=item27b05cc6b4)
http://www.my-gti.com/3/volkswagen-skoda-oem-bluetooth-install (http://www.my-gti.com/3/volkswagen-skoda-oem-bluetooth-install)
I'm sure someone on here has fitted this and it works fine. The p/n for the module which works with the Mk6 is 1Z0 035 729 C.
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Well...
I fitted my Mic in the overhead light compartment!
Once I had it up and running, I called my house from the car park, and my missus said I was crystal clear. I told her I'd call back once I'd re-assembled the dash.
I called her on the move, and she struggled to hear what I was saying :sad:
I then went into the Mic Settings, and increased the gain and called her back. Now I was very echoey. I figured out I could adjust it whilst on the call, so fiddled a bit. Sometimes it was 'ok', but it was never 'great'.
I don't think it helps that us RHD owners still have the compartment for the Mic above the left hand seat.
My voice was clearer when I directed my head over that way... but its not practical to be looking left and up whilst driving :rolleyes:
Looks like the choices are either to buy the other Fiscon Mic... or put the standard one somewhere visible :sick:
I spend AGES fitting it into the light fitting and taking photos for a 'how to'!! Shame it was all for nothing.
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p3eps:
Sorry to hear it did not work out. But you will have a solution soon.
I am pretty upset with the damage to the vinyl part of my rear bumper which somehow just appeared out of the blue, literally!
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Well...
I fitted my Mic in the overhead light compartment!
Once I had it up and running, I called my house from the car park, and my missus said I was crystal clear. I told her I'd call back once I'd re-assembled the dash.
I called her on the move, and she struggled to hear what I was saying :sad:
I then went into the Mic Settings, and increased the gain and called her back. Now I was very echoey. I figured out I could adjust it whilst on the call, so fiddled a bit. Sometimes it was 'ok', but it was never 'great'.
I don't think it helps that us RHD owners still have the compartment for the Mic above the left hand seat.
My voice was clearer when I directed my head over that way... but its not practical to be looking left and up whilst driving :rolleyes:
Looks like the choices are either to buy the other Fiscon Mic... or put the standard one somewhere visible :sick:
I spend AGES fitting it into the light fitting and taking photos for a 'how to'!! Shame it was all for nothing.
Thanks for trying mate, I appreciate it. When you say 'other mic' what other mic's do fiscon have ?
Are you now going to fit it along the door a-frame ?
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Thanks for trying mate, I appreciate it. When you say 'other mic' what other mic's do fiscon have ?
Are you now going to fit it along the door a-frame ?
Fiscon (Kufatec) in Germany do a Mic thats specifically designed to go in the OEM location. The trouble is it costs 24 Euros, and 14 Euros shipping. A tad steep to find out that its maybe no better than the original!!
I'm iin 2 minds whether to order one anyway... or whether to just move it to the A-frame :sick:
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Thanks for trying mate, I appreciate it. When you say 'other mic' what other mic's do fiscon have ?
Are you now going to fit it along the door a-frame ?
Fiscon (Kufatec) in Germany do a Mic thats specifically designed to go in the OEM location. The trouble is it costs 24 Euros, and 14 Euros shipping. A tad steep to find out that its maybe no better than the original!!
I'm iin 2 minds whether to order one anyway... or whether to just move it to the A-frame :sick:
Fancy halfing in and sharing the postage ? I wouldnt mind as long as we know it will work in the overhead location.
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Fancy halfing in and sharing the postage ? I wouldnt mind as long as we know it will work in the overhead location.
Ess-Three said the same... share the postage.
The only problem is that when I emailed Kufatec, they told me it was technically the same Mic. I can't see how putting the same Mic in a plastic casing is going to make it better quality?
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p3eps:
Look at it this way: If you don't have one more try with the hidden microphone you will always wonder about it and everytime you look at the microphone hanging from your 'A'pillar you will feel a bit peeved off for not having tried.
You have spent so much on a fabulous car, so a few quid more should not be an issue.
Anyway, you can always sell one of them on e-Bay!
I am furious about the damage to my rear bumper and am going to have a horrible weekend. :sad:
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I know you guys are against having it on the A frame but it really is crystal clear and to be honest, after a week or so you totally forget it is there.
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Fancy halfing in and sharing the postage ? I wouldnt mind as long as we know it will work in the overhead location.
Ess-Three said the same... share the postage.
The only problem is that when I emailed Kufatec, they told me it was technically the same Mic. I can't see how putting the same Mic in a plastic casing is going to make it better quality?
If they are saying its technically the same mic then its probably not going to work ??
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The only problem is that when I emailed Kufatec, they told me it was technically the same Mic. I can't see how putting the same Mic in a plastic casing is going to make it better quality?
I know you guys are against having it on the A frame but it really is crystal clear and to be honest, after a week or so you totally forget it is there.
I myself cannot see how a similiar passive microphone which is 'specifically designed for the light housing' will work any differently especially if it on the wrong side (?). Maybe KUFATEC know something we are not aware of. Who knows, unless you try it yourself or get FISCON UK to try it and then order one.
In the meantime, you will have to have it installed on the 'A' pillar for it to work.
Why or why cannot things be simple. :rolleyes:
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In the meantime, you will have to have it installed on the 'A' pillar for it to work.
Or SHOUT!!!!
I asked Fiscon UK - they said they will maybe get them in after they see how they get on in Europe!
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p3eps,
Shouldn't you change your Sig now?
Unless you have a second silver R on order, just incase one gets dirty with all this volcanic ash on the go? :grin:
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p3eps,
Shouldn't you change your Sig now?
Unless you have a second silver R on order, just incase one gets dirty with all this volcanic ash on the go? :grin:
Good point!
Will get right on it! I may even have to get a real life picture rather than my pics from the configurator!!
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Chop chop!
Sort the sig...then get the Sat Nav sorted out. This is important... :grin:
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I might be interested in sharing the postage as well.
How on earth did you manage to get it into that compartment?!
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I've put my Mic at the top of the A-pillar now. The call quality is crystal clear according to my other half.
Now I'm in a pickle... do I try the other Fiscon Mic, or just leave the one of the A-pillar which is barely noticable.
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Another update...
My eBay OEM mic turned up in the post today.
I had it checked, and it turned out its a passive Mic also.
The picture of it is in Page 1 of this thread, but you'll see it has a VERY short lead!
I got some high quality Mic cable today and did a little cutting and soldering - and then added a gold 3.5mm jack on the end.
I went through the whole procedure of removing the light / sun visor light / 'jesus handles' and fully fitted the whole thing (although I left the other one on the A-pillar for the time being).
Then I drove away to some dual carrigeway and called my fiancee. It rang a few times, then cut off. I rang again... the same happened. I tried again - where I got 'Look... I'm not joking - I CAN'T HEAR YOU. Honestly - I can't hear anything'.
Looks like my soldering has gone bad somewhere, or the Mic is just NOT compatible! Hopefully I have just grounded the wrong wire or something.
Its dark now... so I'll have a look again tomorrow.
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Another update...
My eBay OEM mic turned up in the post today.
I had it checked, and it turned out its a passive Mic also.
The picture of it is in Page 1 of this thread, but you'll see it has a VERY short lead!
I got some high quality Mic cable today and did a little cutting and soldering - and then added a gold 3.5mm jack on the end.
I went through the whole procedure of removing the light / sun visor light / 'jesus handles' and fully fitted the whole thing (although I left the other one on the A-pillar for the time being).
Then I drove away to some dual carrigeway and called my fiancee. It rang a few times, then cut off. I rang again... the same happened. I tried again - where I got 'Look... I'm not joking - I CAN'T HEAR YOU. Honestly - I can't hear anything'.
Looks like my soldering has gone bad somewhere, or the Mic is just NOT compatible! Hopefully I have just grounded the wrong wire or something.
Its dark now... so I'll have a look again tomorrow.
Not good, but im glued to your next update, i hope its good news.
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Not good, but im glued to your next update, i hope its good news.
I should be out driving it... not sitting in my car park wiring in Mics :tongue:
270 miles down so far, and almost a full(ish) tank of fuel done.
Never mind - 250 miles is stage two - so I can now Rev to 4500-5000ish :evil:
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Not good, but im glued to your next update, i hope its good news.
I should be out driving it... not sitting in my car park wiring in Mics :tongue:
270 miles down so far, and almost a full(ish) tank of fuel done.
Never mind - 250 miles is stage two - so I can now Rev to 4500-5000ish :evil:
Driving's over-rated, keep with the mic's :grin:
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Driving's over-rated, keep with the mic's :grin:
+!.
Most important. :smiley:
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Difficult to get a good photo with my phone... but here are a couple of pics of the Mic on the A-pillar. Barely noticable...
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z92/p3eps/IMAG0160.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z92/p3eps/IMAG0162.jpg)
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z92/p3eps/IMAG0157.jpg)
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+!.
Most important. :smiley:
I thought you'd sold out and decieded to go for an OEM one?! :sick:
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+!.
Most important. :smiley:
I thought you'd sold out and decieded to go for an OEM one?! :sick:
Not quite my friend.
Have left it up to Darren to decide. I know it is a bit cowardly but this way I don't feel to much of a turn-coat!
Just pretty desperate to get the sat nav + bluetooth for my Crackberry!
Check my post from the link below.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=151791.10.
Hope all is sorted with your install tomorrow. :smiley:
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Just cannot have mine on the 'A' pillar. Sorry.
Thanks for the very clear pics.
What would I do without you and the others.
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I took the VW OEM mic out today and checked the wiring. Nothing wrong with my soldering - it just doesn't work!
It appears it IS an active Mic... just a two wired one instead of the usual 3 wires.
Looks like I'll stick with my A-pillar installation. I don't notice the Mic anymore, and the clarity is crystal clear (apparently :tongue: )
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I took the VW OEM mic out today and checked the wiring. Nothing wrong with my soldering - it just doesn't work!
It appears it IS an active Mic... just a two wired one instead of the usual 3 wires.
Looks like I'll stick with my A-pillar installation. I don't notice the Mic anymore, and the clarity is crystal clear (apparently :tongue: )
I presume with the 'A' pillar installation, there is less trim to dismantle which is a + point.
I will leave it to Darren.
Your guide is simply wow! :smiley:
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I presume with the 'A' pillar installation, there is less trim to dismantle which is a + point.
I will leave it to Darren.
Your guide is simply wow! :smiley:
The A-Pillar one is FAR easier as it only involves sliding cables in gaps rather than taking stuff apart!
You could run it in from the A-Pillar in 5 minutes. :rolleyes:
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The A-Pillar one is FAR easier as it only involves sliding cables in gaps rather than taking stuff apart!
You could run it in from the A-Pillar in 5 minutes. :rolleyes:
The less trim that is disturbed, the better me thinks.
More decisions. :rolleyes:
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Plus all the cable that you do with the A-Pillar install is sandwiched between rubber seals, so there is far less chance of rattling.
The overhead light one involves laying a cable across the inside of the roof - which has a good chance of rattling unless you stick it down!
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The overhead light one involves laying a cable across the inside of the roof - which has a good chance of rattling unless you stick it down!
A very important consideration.
I'll now seriously consider this option and decide tomorrow.
Thanks so much for your help.
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Many thanks for all your hard work. I wonder whether it's worth asking Fiscon if there's a reason it doesn't work? It certainly should work if they're supplying it!
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Many thanks for all your hard work. I wonder whether it's worth asking Fiscon if there's a reason it doesn't work? It certainly should work if they're supplying it!
I think its been covered, its because the mic fiscon use is basically 'directional' (passive) where-as the VW one will pick up from any angle (active).
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Many thanks for all your hard work. I wonder whether it's worth asking Fiscon if there's a reason it doesn't work? It certainly should work if they're supplying it!
Fiscon supply their own Mic. The OEM VW has a totally different connection. I was trying to adapt it to make it work, but it doesnt!
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Hi p3eps:
Good afternoon.
Regarding the active mic fitting, is it really a huge job to get the wiring routed to the overhead light unit?
Seems like it from your pictures.
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Hi p3eps:
Good afternoon.
Regarding the active mic fitting, is it really a huge job to get the wiring routed to the overhead light unit?
Seems like it from your pictures.
Its not a huge job. I managed to do it the second time in about 15 minutes once I knew what I was doing. The first time took about an hour. My only concern with it is the mic cable rattling around. The second cable I fitted on my OEM mic was a bit thicker than the Fiscon one and I could hear it when I went over bumps. The proper OEM cable (not my home made one!) is probably wrapped in the furry stuff most of the interior cables are so that it doesn't rattle though.
The pics are a step by step idiots guide - and probably go into more detail than is really needed. :wink:
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Thanks p3eps. You are a star! :smiley:
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Many thanks for all your hard work. I wonder whether it's worth asking Fiscon if there's a reason it doesn't work? It certainly should work if they're supplying it!
I think its been covered, its because the mic fiscon use is basically 'directional' (passive) where-as the VW one will pick up from any angle (active).
I mean why the Fiscon microphone doesn't work, not the VW microphone.
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I updated my HOW TO with VagCom instructions if anyone is interested!
Check it out: http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=151928.0
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when I bought my Fiscon from a lad in here I didnt get the little plastic holder to attach the mic to, will that be a problem for me when I fit mine ?
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Email Rich at Fiscon - they'll probably be able to send you one out.
They must cost pennies.
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when I bought my Fiscon from a lad in here I didnt get the little plastic holder to attach the mic to, will that be a problem for me when I fit mine ?
Actually... they're the same bits as you get with a Parrot kit.
£3 with free postage here:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Parrot-CK3100-Mic-clip-holders-/330432309495?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item4cef4ce8f7
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thanks bud, will order one.