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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Awry on 06 April 2010, 13:09
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Hi guys!
I'm getting my new GTI next week and in June I'm planning on going on a long vacation. I've just begun plotting the trip and I would be very grateful for any suggestions to my route, what to see and where to stop. I've built the route so I can drive the same roads as Top Gear did on their Stelvio Pass episode. If I've missed something please correct me. :)
These are mandatory as I've booked hotels:
- VW factory in Wolfsburg
- BMW in Munchen
- Drive the Top Gear Stelvio Pass route
- See Paris. This one is a must according to my GF and a fair trade since I get to see cars. :D
Everything else I can be flexible about. :) I'm also unsure which way I should go. If I am to drive exactly the same route as TG I'll have to drive the other way around compared to the link below.
My original plan was to drive from Paris to Newcastle then take the ferry back to Norway but sadly there is no ferry anymore so the route is incomplete and stops at Amsterdam.
Sorry about the long link. :D
http://maps.google.no/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Stavanger&daddr=Kristiansand+to:Hirtshals+to:Wolfsburg+to:Munchen+to:Davos+to:Bormio+to:Passo+Stelvio+to:Stelvio+to:Milano+to:Monaco+to:Marseille,+Bouches-du-Rh%C3%B4ne,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d'Azur,+Frankrike+to:Bordeaux+to:Brest+to:Caen+to:Paris+to:Amsterdam&hl=no&geocode=Fci5gwMdNGBXACkL19wqPzU6RjHxLeIqliObKQ%3BFbc3dwMdTAt6ACmVHubANgI4RjGQJrMoJncBBA%3BFdq5bgMdXveXAClNjvxQSchIRjGp5AEmapCaEw%3BFbzkHwMd1JCkACmx5ldHQpKvRzHQOqyUbawlBA%3BFXaL3gIdGrOwACnZX4yj-XWeRzF9mLF9SrgMAQ%3BFZ4tygIdNxmWACnbey7fEKGERzEALRlAiP8ABA%3BFRYKxQIdTlueACn3AV40WwWDRzFQ7GYuAngGBA%3BFTwExgId_nKfACnjophogOiCRzGgEXoOiAkHDw%3BFf8IxwIdDvCgACnpYk4gRRyDRzHANZEVhwkHBA%3BFYm4tQIdLTOMACk9o6HLTMGGRzGQGnttVt4wpg%3BFZqTmwIdaRxxACkxhT97b8LNEjH8nMQ6THj3dA%3BFUyrlAIdshtSACkzU9pEQ7_JEjEgApf9pRkIBA%3BFfgprAIdcDX3_ymBylH36CdVDTGJejl7A4ZjeQ%3BFcxh4gIdC4m7_ymTW5LZ4bsWSDGrMJwXWINIxg%3BFZt_7gIdsoD6_ykzyQRMvUIKSDFZCNAwn3SlPQ%3BFVt-6QIdi98jACkPt-IGH27mRzFglIxow4ILBA%3BFSkpHwMdN6FKAClN_N7pjwnGRzGQdB6NWt4ABA&mra=ls&sll=52.268157,5.053711&sspn=19.259084,33.706055&ie=UTF8&ll=51.069017,3.867188&spn=19.765687,33.706055&z=5 (http://maps.google.no/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Stavanger&daddr=Kristiansand+to:Hirtshals+to:Wolfsburg+to:Munchen+to:Davos+to:Bormio+to:Passo+Stelvio+to:Stelvio+to:Milano+to:Monaco+to:Marseille,+Bouches-du-Rh%C3%B4ne,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d'Azur,+Frankrike+to:Bordeaux+to:Brest+to:Caen+to:Paris+to:Amsterdam&hl=no&geocode=Fci5gwMdNGBXACkL19wqPzU6RjHxLeIqliObKQ%3BFbc3dwMdTAt6ACmVHubANgI4RjGQJrMoJncBBA%3BFdq5bgMdXveXAClNjvxQSchIRjGp5AEmapCaEw%3BFbzkHwMd1JCkACmx5ldHQpKvRzHQOqyUbawlBA%3BFXaL3gIdGrOwACnZX4yj-XWeRzF9mLF9SrgMAQ%3BFZ4tygIdNxmWACnbey7fEKGERzEALRlAiP8ABA%3BFRYKxQIdTlueACn3AV40WwWDRzFQ7GYuAngGBA%3BFTwExgId_nKfACnjophogOiCRzGgEXoOiAkHDw%3BFf8IxwIdDvCgACnpYk4gRRyDRzHANZEVhwkHBA%3BFYm4tQIdLTOMACk9o6HLTMGGRzGQGnttVt4wpg%3BFZqTmwIdaRxxACkxhT97b8LNEjH8nMQ6THj3dA%3BFUyrlAIdshtSACkzU9pEQ7_JEjEgApf9pRkIBA%3BFfgprAIdcDX3_ymBylH36CdVDTGJejl7A4ZjeQ%3BFcxh4gIdC4m7_ymTW5LZ4bsWSDGrMJwXWINIxg%3BFZt_7gIdsoD6_ykzyQRMvUIKSDFZCNAwn3SlPQ%3BFVt-6QIdi98jACkPt-IGH27mRzFglIxow4ILBA%3BFSkpHwMdN6FKAClN_N7pjwnGRzGQdB6NWt4ABA&mra=ls&sll=52.268157,5.053711&sspn=19.259084,33.706055&ie=UTF8&ll=51.069017,3.867188&spn=19.765687,33.706055&z=5)
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Sounds like a great wee break...
It's not strictly VAG-related, but I've heard the Ducati factory experience is amazing, plus if it was me passing, I'd want to stop at Maranello... :drool:
Other routes to consider:-
Col de Torini?
Route de Napoleon?
Cat and Fiddle (on your way to Newcastle)?
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I can certainly vouch for the Col de Turini. It's just a short drive north from Monaco. We drove up there in a Citroën C3 Diesel automatic hire car last October :lipsrsealed:, but the views were so magnificent we really weren't worried about the car. I have lots of photos, but here's one of the view we had during lunch :cool:
I personally think Paris is way overrated and frankly a dump that's best avoided, but my wife disagrees...
(http://www.golfgti6.com/turini.jpg)
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I'm jealous. :sad:
sounds great, have fun.
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Thanks for the tips. I'll reroute to Maranello. As for Ducati I'll have to pass. I have to try an keep the km at a decent amount. :)
Col de Turini have been added and I'm trying to fit in Route de Napoleon as well.
Maranello - Col de Turini - Route de Napoleon
http://maps.google.no/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Maranello&daddr=Milano+to:Sospel+to:Piaon+to:Moulinet+to:La+Bollene-Vesubie+to:Avenue+du+G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral+de+Gaulle%2FD19+to:Nice+to:Antibes+to:Golfe+Juan+to:Cannes+to:Grasse+to:Saint-Vallier-de-Thiey,+De+maritime+Alpene,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d'Azur,+Frankrike+to:Castellane+to:Digne+to:Sisteron+to:1+Place+Bonthoux,+05000+Gap,+France+(Gap)+to:Corps+to:La+Mure+to:Grenoble&geocode=%3BFYm4tQIdLTOMACk9o6HLTMGGRzGQGnttVt4wpg%3BFQuGnQIdFKNxACllpmd2ZZXNEjG-fUTyJUo-fw%3BFRXbnQId6iJxACnDMjG9Sb7NEjEBQTr8phkIJg%3BFeeAngIdmB5xACmpalGDwL3NEjGQmpf9pRkIBA%3BFXY6nwId6dxvACnP61jka7vNEjGhIj4tnlBHFQ%3BFXwCnQIdOn9uAA%3BFYPcmgId2t9uACkxLYVqENDNEjFwmpf9pRkIBA%3BFTL9mAId6KdsACmpkVqeRdXNEjGwn5f9pRkIBA%3BFSDOmAIdW_FrAClT9U01HIDOEjGgKal5qBkICg%3BFa6ImAId7fhqACn__wxTgIHOEjEgnpf9pRkIBA%3BFTstmgIdG6VpACn77Vg5_iXMEjEtLviMmCd3EQ%3BFaDImgIdin5oACnfmmmIYSTMEjEvaYab8sTLyg%3BFWUQnQIdSFxjACnnJTsx8QvMEjGQtZf9pRkIBA%3BFX7GoAIdthVfACkLJb3tR4XLEjEAtJf9pRkIBA%3BFSJlogIdB7FaACnZxd5vT6bLEjGgrJf9pRkIBA%3BFR3upwIdALZcACHAN7J2QefmWCkFoZnlckDLEjEg3XhTRMroQw%3BFS7hqwIdRcFaACn5btdY4zLLEjFQe77kKqsIBA%3BFSc0rQIdJk9YACnrB47Xin6KRzFQc77kKqsIBA%3BFSScsQIdMnVXAClvvonWi_SKRzGYU5luzRCMYQ&hl=no&mra=ls&via=6&sll=44.793531,9.733887&sspn=5.566632,8.426514&ie=UTF8&ll=44.488668,8.217773&spn=2.797987,4.213257&z=8 (http://maps.google.no/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Maranello&daddr=Milano+to:Sospel+to:Piaon+to:Moulinet+to:La+Bollene-Vesubie+to:Avenue+du+G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral+de+Gaulle%2FD19+to:Nice+to:Antibes+to:Golfe+Juan+to:Cannes+to:Grasse+to:Saint-Vallier-de-Thiey,+De+maritime+Alpene,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d'Azur,+Frankrike+to:Castellane+to:Digne+to:Sisteron+to:1+Place+Bonthoux,+05000+Gap,+France+(Gap)+to:Corps+to:La+Mure+to:Grenoble&geocode=%3BFYm4tQIdLTOMACk9o6HLTMGGRzGQGnttVt4wpg%3BFQuGnQIdFKNxACllpmd2ZZXNEjG-fUTyJUo-fw%3BFRXbnQId6iJxACnDMjG9Sb7NEjEBQTr8phkIJg%3BFeeAngIdmB5xACmpalGDwL3NEjGQmpf9pRkIBA%3BFXY6nwId6dxvACnP61jka7vNEjGhIj4tnlBHFQ%3BFXwCnQIdOn9uAA%3BFYPcmgId2t9uACkxLYVqENDNEjFwmpf9pRkIBA%3BFTL9mAId6KdsACmpkVqeRdXNEjGwn5f9pRkIBA%3BFSDOmAIdW_FrAClT9U01HIDOEjGgKal5qBkICg%3BFa6ImAId7fhqACn__wxTgIHOEjEgnpf9pRkIBA%3BFTstmgIdG6VpACn77Vg5_iXMEjEtLviMmCd3EQ%3BFaDImgIdin5oACnfmmmIYSTMEjEvaYab8sTLyg%3BFWUQnQIdSFxjACnnJTsx8QvMEjGQtZf9pRkIBA%3BFX7GoAIdthVfACkLJb3tR4XLEjEAtJf9pRkIBA%3BFSJlogIdB7FaACnZxd5vT6bLEjGgrJf9pRkIBA%3BFR3upwIdALZcACHAN7J2QefmWCkFoZnlckDLEjEg3XhTRMroQw%3BFS7hqwIdRcFaACn5btdY4zLLEjFQe77kKqsIBA%3BFSc0rQIdJk9YACnrB47Xin6KRzFQc77kKqsIBA%3BFSScsQIdMnVXAClvvonWi_SKRzGYU5luzRCMYQ&hl=no&mra=ls&via=6&sll=44.793531,9.733887&sspn=5.566632,8.426514&ie=UTF8&ll=44.488668,8.217773&spn=2.797987,4.213257&z=8)
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Sounds amazing, I was planning a Euro bash as well, not quite in the same scope as this, though!
Re: Maranello, there was a feature in 'Performance Car' shortly before it went bust, about the factory and it looked totally amazing. More akin to a laboratory, not a car factory.
The museum also has loads of old cars. They are customer cars, though, so what you might see can vary from day-to-day. :afro:
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why dont you change the route so that you can visit the nurburgring? you will see loads of nice cars there and if you fancy it go on the track for a few laps
here is the modified map to take in the nurburgring
http://maps.google.no/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Stavanger&daddr=Kristiansand+to:Hirtshals+to:Wolfsburg+to:Munchen+to:Davos+to:Bormio+to:Passo+Stelvio+to:Stelvio+to:Milano+to:Monaco+to:Marseille,+Bouches-du-Rh%C3%B4ne,+Provence-Alpes-C%C3%B4te+d%27Azur,+Frankrike+to:Bordeaux+to:Brest+to:Caen+to:Paris+to:Amsterdam&hl=no&geocode=Fci5gwMdNGBXACkL19wqPzU6RjHxLeIqliObKQ%3BFbc3dwMdTAt6ACmVHubANgI4RjGQJrMoJncBBA%3BFdq5bgMdXveXAClNjvxQSchIRjGp5AEmapCaEw%3BFbzkHwMd1JCkACmx5ldHQpKvRzHQOqyUbawlBA%3BFXaL3gIdGrOwACnZX4yj-XWeRzF9mLF9SrgMAQ%3BFZ4tygIdNxmWACnbey7fEKGERzEALRlAiP8ABA%3BFRYKxQIdTlueACn3AV40WwWDRzFQ7GYuAngGBA%3BFTwExgId_nKfACnjophogOiCRzGgEXoOiAkHDw%3BFf8IxwIdDvCgACnpYk4gRRyDRzHANZEVhwkHBA%3BFYm4tQIdLTOMACk9o6HLTMGGRzGQGnttVt4wpg%3BFZqTmwIdaRxxACkxhT97b8LNEjH8nMQ6THj3dA%3BFUyrlAIdshtSACkzU9pEQ7_JEjEgApf9pRkIBA%3BFfgprAIdcDX3_ymBylH36CdVDTGJejl7A4ZjeQ%3BFcxh4gIdC4m7_ymTW5LZ4bsWSDGrMJwXWINIxg%3BFZt_7gIdsoD6_ykzyQRMvUIKSDFZCNAwn3SlPQ%3BFVt-6QIdi98jACkPt-IGH27mRzFglIxow4ILBA%3BFSkpHwMdN6FKAClN_N7pjwnGRzGQdB6NWt4ABA&mra=ls&sll=52.268157,5.053711&sspn=19.259084,33.706055&ie=UTF8&ll=51.069017,3.867188&spn=19.765687,33.706055&z=5
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Quite an impressive schedule you've got there, but IMHO (and assuming you're traveling clockwise) once you've reached Marseille, the rest is going to seem a bit lame. Western France is relatively uninspiring. If it were me, I'd stay longer in the Alps and the South East and then just head straight back home, via Paris if you really insist on seeing it.
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Quite an impressive schedule you've got there, but IMHO (and assuming you're traveling clockwise) once you've reached Marseille, the rest is going to seem a bit lame. Western France is relatively uninspiring. If it were me, I'd stay longer in the Alps and the South East and then just head straight back home, via Paris if you really insist on seeing it.
My GF wants to see Paris so I have no choice. :) Thanks for the tip. I see you live in France so I assume you know. :) I have more then enough to see without western France and if it's not a must it'll probably be better to spend time on the other parts and maybe stay a bit longer in Italy and dip a bit further south there instead of western France.
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My GF wants to see Paris so I have no choice. :) Thanks for the tip. I see you live in France so I assume you know. :) I have more then enough to see without western France and if it's not a must it'll probably be better to spend time on the other parts and maybe stay a bit longer in Italy and dip a bit further south there instead of western France.
I have lived over here for 25 years :smiley: Definitely prioritize the first half of your trip (Germany, Switzerland, Italy & S.E. France as far round as Marseille). The scenery is amongst the best in Europe. After that, I think the west of France will seem rather ordinary. Everybody wants to see Paris, but I really don't rate it compared to, say, London or some of the big cities in the US. It's dirty, the people are weird and the traffic is a nightmare (not that I'm trying to put you off... :grin:)
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Agree with the above comments regarding Paris and would also add it's expensive! How about visiting the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart while you're in that area?
http://www.porsche.com/international/aboutporsche/porschemuseum/theexhibition/
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I would definitely give Paris the elbow if possible, it is a city which is very overrated but which is in fact rather dirty and unkempt.
If I could have I would have gone to Wolfsburg so that definitely would be a must. I would also like to drive the Monaco circuit!
Gizzy
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I love Paris and go there at least twice a year. It will always be my favourite city. It has so much style. I have never had a problem with the Parisians even though my command of French is pretty poor.
I usually stay at the Ritz, Place Vendome when I am feeling flush or at the Westin Hotel which is closeby on the Rue de Castigileone. Both are in the 1st Arrondissement.
There is no point going to Paris if you are penny pinching.
Yes, Paris is very expensive but no more than London, which is a dump. But I don't care, as for me it will always be Heaven!
Sorry to be so contrary. But that's me!
PS: Don't take your car there. It will get wrecked!
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We'll due to some unforeseen family invitation I had to take my trip a bit earlier. I also had to change the route. I'll save France for next year. After the trip my trip-teller showed 4038 miles.
I'm going to update with some pics later. My girlfriend took a lot of pics though the windshield while I was driving. We did spend some hours in the car. SOme of the scenery was spectacular. :D
I planned to drive the Stelvio pass but sadly it was closed but I had a beautiful trip through the alps no matter. Enough passes to choose from and some were really scary due to snow. Summer tires made it quite challenging uphill.
Here is the route slightly simplified with some of the places I stopped:
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Wow, wow, wow! How very impressive. :smiley:
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That is one :evil: road trip :wink: