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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: doopydug on 11 November 2004, 23:20
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At no point in the rev range does the 8v power or torque exceed that of the 16v
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doopydug your brave ;D
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was settled many moons ago when i posted the same graph
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Everyone knows the 16V is faster than the 8V dont they?? And those who dont have 8v's? ;D
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the jury's still out with me on that one!!owned a 91 "j" plate 8v and now have a 91 "j" 16v and for some reason the 8v seems a little bit quicker through the range.
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the jury's still out with me on that one!!owned a 91 "j" plate 8v and now have a 91 "j" 16v and for some reason the 8v seems a little bit quicker through the range.
8v will be quicker thru the rev range - they only revs to about 6k - so will seem quicker thru the range
any 16v's that dont pull as well as the 8v are simply knackered.
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Do they have the same gearing then?
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Everyone knows the 16V is faster than the 8V dont they?? And those who dont have 8v's
some of us simply cant afford the insurance ...... yet!
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i cant beleive this sh!t still come up! :D
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the jury's still out with me on that one!!owned a 91 "j" plate 8v and now have a 91 "j" 16v and for some reason the 8v seems a little bit quicker through the range.
8v will be quicker thru the rev range - they only revs to about 6k - so will seem quicker thru the range
any 16v's that dont pull as well as the 8v are simply knackered.
be fair mine was at atleast 6.5k last night! lol
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8v's are slow. even i say so myself coz i drive one.
its a fact so lets leave it here
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Do they have the same gearing then?
in laymans terms - yes
in stato terms - no
2nd gear in a 16v is slightly shorter. the 2nd ratio will get a 16v to 60mph & no more - this was to get the quick 0-60 time
5th gear is also slightly shorter
but tbh you'd hardly notice it, and loads of 16v owners run 8v boxes
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The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.
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The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.
I think the key peice of information from that statement is 1.98v.
It's a bigger engine. Where's the comparison? ???
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its like tim at the phirm said, you can bore out, fit cams etc to an 8v and it will keep up with a standard 16v. but then put cams in a 16v and whoop any modified 8v ;D
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you all forget that g60/rallye is an 8v with a supercharger.
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you all forget that g60/rallye is an 8v with a supercharger.
represent 8)
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and the limited is a 16v with a supercharger :P 160bhp vs 210bhp 8)
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The truth of the matter is that a standard 8v vs a standard will see that torque on the 16v will outway the 8v. However when an 8v produces same bhp as a 16v it will piss all over the 16v. My 1.9 8v will destroy standard 16v's all day off the mark and the fact it will rev to 7k means they struggle to keep up. this is a car producing similar bhp as a 16v.
most 16vs you come across today are well past their sell by dates. 16vs were thrashed from the start, and every owner will continue to thrash them. so when you start comparing a "standard" 16v against a modified 8v - its not even a fair comparison.
and as for all the 16vs that i've come across that are modified dont exactly live to expectations, so dont expect them to be quick either.
this pissing contest is also becoming fairly immaterial - the cars we are talking about are nearly 14 years old at their youngest! The oldest 16vs are pushing 18.
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Talking about a cars age is rubbish, there are plenty of 150k plus valvers out there pushing 150 bhp plus with just the WUR mod. That they are 18 years old is immaterial. They are no slower now than they were when they sold new (in fact usually they are quicker)
As for comparing my 1.9 to a standard 16v, why not, we are talking same power bracket and that puts both engines on a level playing field so the comparison can be made to show that the low down grunt of the 8v pulls my Mk2 away from similar powered 16v Mk2. Now if this topic was about standard cars then of course 16v's are going to be the best choice.
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the only place an 8v would be quicker is 0-30ish from standing, but if you are proper racing you are only gonna be under 4000rpm when you start so after that you can keep the revs high round corners and pull a lot harder out of them than the 8v. race cars have f**k all torque and the power is at the top of the rev range.
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think this thread should be renamed My car is better than your car.
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na na na na na :P
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I wish my car was better than all your cars, but thats not true so i could not say that.
Just comments in my opinion, sorry if above if i rubbished other peoples opinions above. :-X
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Talking about a cars age is rubbish, there are plenty of 150k plus valvers out there pushing 150 bhp plus with just the WUR mod. That they are 18 years old is immaterial. They are no slower now than they were when they sold new (in fact usually they are quicker)
As for comparing my 1.9 to a standard 16v, why not, we are talking same power bracket and that puts both engines on a level playing field so the comparison can be made to show that the low down grunt of the 8v pulls my Mk2 away from similar powered 16v Mk2. Now if this topic was about standard cars then of course 16v's are going to be the best choice.
i did have a great long reply to this but i simply cant be arsed to tell you why comparing standard to non standard cars is a waste of time, especially when the thread is about standard cars in the first place.
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Come on guys!
We all read and post on this site coz we love our Golfs. The mk2 Golf GTI was the hot- hatch of it's time, and 15 odd years on, it is still a great car to own and drive, giving both reliability and street-cred.
I have owned an 8v and a 16v mk2, and loved them both for what they were. I knew what I was buying each time, and made by choice based on insurance/economy/torque/bhp/styling/electrics.
If (when!) I go back to owning a mk2 Golf, I would love one of each!
(Sorry about the huge sig pics! I'm working on downsizing them)
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^^^^^^^ sort that f**kin sig pic out
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Trouble with the 16v Mk2 is the K-jet fuel injection. Not everyone can get to a Shell garage - there is only one of them in Cardiff. An 8v will run quite well on normal unleaded unlike the 16v (unless you have it k-star'd). Its also a lower insurance group, making the 8v an accessible and exciting proposal for many.
If you can afford the insurance and live near a shell garage, the 16v is the better option!
Also, being able to overtake on the motorway without changing down to 2nd is another plus for the 8v.
Anyway, has anyone tried putting a 2.0 16v from a Mk3 into a mk2 8v GTi? I'm told the Mk3 uses digifant2 as well....
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Also, being able to overtake on the motorway without changing down to 2nd is another plus for the 8v.
16v will pull better than an 8v on the motorway ;)
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late spec 16v's will run on normal unleaded they have a different ignition ecu to that of early 16v's
and early 16v's just need the timing altered to run unleaded.
also, there is no need to change gear in a 16v to overtake. the graph proves that itself. overtaking in 5th is exactly the same in an 8v and a 16v. if you do drop it a gear then you'll overtake quicker than any std 8v will ever be able to
to sum it all up, a std 16v will behave exactly the same as a std 8v until 4.5k then the 16v opens up while the 8v tails off
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we looked into this. everyone said that early 16v needed their timing altered. and i'm sure one or two garages even took money to do the job.
they dont. they run unleaded. even the old ones.
sorry guys - been their done that. mine used leaded until the day we couldn't be arsed to put leaded in, shoved in unleaded (premium and super) and it hasn't batted an eyelid.
closer investigation showed that it didn't need to be changed in anyway.
just another ruse to get money out of punters by stealerships.
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the only place an 8v would be quicker is 0-30ish from standing
myth. the only time an 8v will beat a 16v to 30 is when the driver of the 16v can't get their power down for whatever reason (greasy road, crap tyres, riding the clutch).
you'll be close, 4-6 feet in it, until the 8v driver has to make his first gear change at 6k, the 16v pulls all the way to 7k, and that point the 8v has a nice view of the rear of a rapidly disappearing 16v.
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like for like - 16v's win, end of story
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