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Title: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Chins on 22 March 2010, 12:54

I'm sure if I trawl through a couple of forums I might find the answer

Twice now in low gears the car has just not engaged the next gear for about a 0.5 sec and the cars revs jumped up. Looked a right prat leaving home the other day and then this morning in the middle of a roundabout I squeezed the throttle and did nowt until the car oblidged and engaged the next gear.

Anyone read or experienced this in other DSG cars?

Mine's an R, but sure its equally applicable to other GTI's with DSG
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 12:56
Its a mechatronic unit problem back to the dealers mate? Urgently get it back to them good luck steve :wink:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: James Gould on 22 March 2010, 12:58
I've got a DSG Gti on order and am getting concerned by the number of complaints coming though about the DSG...
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: njc850 on 22 March 2010, 13:09
I wouldn't worry too much, people don't tend to write if things are ok, but are quick to when something breaks on a 25k car.
And VW seem to be quick to replace / sort them.
Mine is ace!
Loads of other stuff wrong like, but not the 'box!! :smiley:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: James Gould on 22 March 2010, 13:14
loads of other stuff wrong?!?! you winding me up....?! :huh: :shocked:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 14:04
loads of other stuff wrong?!?! you winding me up....?! :huh: :shocked:

James mine is ace spot on touch wood , (your head) Mine is brilliant DSG works a treat, but there some known problems with them??

The Mechatronic unit over heats in them which needs to be replaced , and dont take any Bulls** from the dearler ether!! There are some dealers who just replace the all DSG box think its about £3k?

I had the same problem on one my GTI's couple of years ago, and they just replaced the unit fine afterwards!!
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: VWKev on 22 March 2010, 14:12
I love DSG.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Saint Steve on 22 March 2010, 14:12

I'm sure if I trawl through a couple of forums I might find the answer

Twice now in low gears the car has just not engaged the next gear for about a 0.5 sec and the cars revs jumped up. Looked a right prat leaving home the other day and then this morning in the middle of a roundabout I squeezed the throttle and did nowt until the car oblidged and engaged the next gear.

Anyone read or experienced this in other DSG cars?

Mine's an R, but sure its equally applicable to other GTI's with DSG

are you sure you didnt knock it in manual on the paddles by accident?? that would mean its waiting for you to change rather then it doing it itself??
As your new to the Golf R /GTi, the dsg will go manual even though your in D Position if you flip one of the paddles.Press and Hold the + paddle to return to full Auto.

Kev, dsg is too confusing for you  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: James Gould on 22 March 2010, 14:19
Thnx, Steve
J
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Saint Steve on 22 March 2010, 14:21
No problem  :wink:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 14:46
No problem  :wink:

Think he ment myself Phil hahaha steve  :grin:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Saint Steve on 22 March 2010, 15:46
There wont be any problems in the O.P's mechatronics steve. The fault he says thats showing ISNT 
the mechatronics chap  :wink:.

Mechatronics failure or signs of it, will either be bunny hopping in 1st gear like bad clutch control, or reverse gear taking ages to select.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Chins on 22 March 2010, 16:38
Been nowhere near the paddles or stick on both occasions.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 16:39
There wont be any problems in the O.P's mechatronics steve. The fault he says thats showing ISNT 
the mechatronics chap  :wink:.

Mechatronics failure or signs of it, will either be bunny hopping in 1st gear like bad clutch control, or reverse gear taking ages to select.

Or even loss of drive when pulling out of a JCT!!  then sudenly just takes off?  :cool:
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Saint Steve on 22 March 2010, 16:50
Been nowhere near the paddles or stick on both occasions.


If you absolutley sure you havent knocked a paddle, then back to the stealers for Diagnostic fella
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: p3asa on 22 March 2010, 17:24

I'm sure if I trawl through a couple of forums I might find the answer

Twice now in low gears the car has just not engaged the next gear for about a 0.5 sec and the cars revs jumped up. Looked a right prat leaving home the other day and then this morning in the middle of a roundabout I squeezed the throttle and did nowt until the car oblidged and engaged the next gear.

Anyone read or experienced this in other DSG cars?

Mine's an R, but sure its equally applicable to other GTI's with DSG

Could be getting this mixed up with something else but wasn't there a recall for some DSG models?  Have a search of this forum.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: p3eps on 22 March 2010, 18:18
Could be getting this mixed up with something else but wasn't there a recall for some DSG models?  Have a search of this forum.

Was that not back in October / November time?  He has a Golf R - which was likely built in the last month or two.  I'd HOPE that VW would have sorted the issue with new ones at the same time they issued a recall?
Perhaps this is one that slipped through the net.

Back to the dealer for inspection...
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Chins on 22 March 2010, 19:31
Going in tomorrow. Question about S vs D if I may.
Going along at 55 in D in 6th. Change to S and car goes into 3rd. Stay on light load, flat road and accelerator constant.

Car just sits there for over a mile in 3rd. Is this correct?

In D mode the car is too lazy and stays out of the powerband. In S mode it just won't settle into a high gear for ages. Ie it would not go into 6th in S mode unless at high motorway speeds.

Never had DSG, but my Cayman has PDK, so used to these types of box.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: p3eps on 22 March 2010, 19:36
That was one of my complaints about my R testdrive - the DSG was either in 6th or 3rd! (D or S)

The simplest way is to drive it in Manual, but then it kind of defeats the purpose of an auto box... apart from you can rest your left foot!
There are some DSG remaps out there that will solve this problem, but then I guess they'll invalidate your warranty?

Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: Chins on 22 March 2010, 20:18

100% agree. Its seems strange to be that when the gearbox is in S and see's you are driving constantly it wont up shift.

The D mode just seems too sluggish and I dont want to have to use full kickdown each time just to get medium progress.
All I want is it to drop one gear maybe two. Another example is at 60 in D on the motorway in 6th as you join another motorway I dont want hell for leather acceleration just a nice pull into the entry lane. The only way the car will work is to floor the accelerator.

To me this doesnt seem right.
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: JonnyG on 22 March 2010, 20:39

100% agree. Its seems strange to be that when the gearbox is in S and see's you are driving constantly it wont up shift.

The D mode just seems too sluggish and I dont want to have to use full kickdown each time just to get medium progress.
All I want is it to drop one gear maybe two. Another example is at 60 in D on the motorway in 6th as you join another motorway I dont want hell for leather acceleration just a nice pull into the entry lane. The only way the car will work is to floor the accelerator.

To me this doesnt seem right.

Yes that's all typical DSG   :sad:: ... D changes up too early and S is a bit manic unless really pressing on.   

I've found the best bet is to use M mode (with the paddles) except around town

All the mechatronic faults are on older models

The "lurching" in 1st and reverse was the biggest fault and affected a lot of cars (including my last R32)

http://media.vw.com/index.php?s=43&item=491

The problem you're encountering could be just a DSG trait .... it does tend to need a half second sometimes to decide what to do on a roundabout and if you accelerate just as it has decided to change down you can get a frenzied second.  Over time you get to feel what the gearbox is doing, but I've found M mode is much better for roundabouts.     
Title: Re: DSG struggling to engage gear
Post by: njc850 on 23 March 2010, 21:55
James,

Nothing serious and its still a great car that we'll keep til it dies but its had a few issues -
passenger door came with cloth (rest of car leather)
wipers died (but that may have been my fault)
creaking drivers door getting fixed tomorrow (new window surround or some such)
i think the boot is slightly out of alignment, will mention tmrw
passenger seat creaks like fcuk when anybody is in it, empty its fine, just v annoying
its had a cracked windscreen (not VW fault!)
and its swansong was all the lights coming on in the dash as my missus and 1 year old were on the M1, RAC bloke reset it and VW couldnt find any fault, never happened again, they asked if it was in heavy rain as if that was ok!
DSG however has been marvellous, so far......