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Title: Non metallic paint
Post by: gizzywizzy on 21 March 2010, 20:51
In this weeks Auto Express mag there is an indepth report on what it's like to live with the GTD. 

The report is very much in favour of the GTD but what is not so good is:

"the red paint of our test car adds to its racy looks - but it comes at a cost.  Yes, you save £430 by opting for a solid shade, but metallic finishes have a strong lacquer that makes them very hard wearing.  And the soft paintwork on our Golf is already stone chipped in places".

Their car has done 2496 miles.

Gizzy
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: p3eps on 21 March 2010, 20:53
Buy cheap, pay dear!  :wink:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: gizzywizzy on 21 March 2010, 20:56
Buy cheap, pay dear!  :wink:

Oh heck wait for Steve :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 20:57
In this weeks Auto Express mag there is an indepth report on what it's like to live with the GTD. 
The report is very much in favour of the GTD but what is not so good is:
"the red paint of our test car adds to its racy looks - but it comes at a cost.  Yes, you save £430 by opting for a solid shade, but metallic finishes have a strong lacquer that makes them very hard wearing.  And the soft paintwork on our Golf is already stone chipped in places".
Their car has done 2496 miles.
Gizzy

That is why I had mine Toughsealed. Yet to see it!
The dealer said it made the Tornado Red colour look really fantastic with greater depth with an amazing shine and finish. They were most impressed.
Am I worried? :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 20:58
Buy cheap, pay dear!  :wink:

Get a scratch on your metallic paint and then try to fix it. Could be fun! :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: ajmoir36 on 21 March 2010, 21:02
In this weeks Auto Express mag there is an indepth report on what it's like to live with the GTD. 
The report is very much in favour of the GTD but what is not so good is:
"the red paint of our test car adds to its racy looks - but it comes at a cost.  Yes, you save £430 by opting for a solid shade, but metallic finishes have a strong lacquer that makes them very hard wearing.  And the soft paintwork on our Golf is already stone chipped in places".
Their car has done 2496 miles.
Gizzy

That is why I had mine Toughsealed. Yet to see it!
The dealer said it made the Tornado Red colour look really fantastic with greater depth with an amazing shine and finish. They were most impressed.
Am I worried? :laugh:


Tough sealed how or where do I get that and what does it envolve?  I have ordered Tornado Red and my mk5 is Tornado Red and I don't think its that bad as it has covererd 60K miles.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: gossa on 21 March 2010, 21:08
My Tornado Mk6 is covered in stone chips. Not impressed.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 21:09
Ajmoir:
Speak to Stuart Grimshaw.
He Toughsealed my car.
http://www.paintprotection.co.uk/
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: p3asa on 21 March 2010, 21:13
The opening line of that www "Never wax again"
Sorry but that is absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 21:14
My Tornado Mk6 is covered in stone chips. Not impressed.

Sorry to hear this. :sad:
Happens to most cars.
Possibly worse for flat paint finishes.
My Type R GT has only 2  tiny stone chips in 2 years and it is not Toughsealed.
Suggest you repaint your bonnet (?) and Toughseal your car! :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 21:17
The opening line of that www "Never wax again"
Sorry but that is absolute nonsense.

Don't knock it till you know otherwise!
Keep an open mind.
Makes all the difference! :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: p3asa on 21 March 2010, 21:21
I'm not knocking toughseal as such as I have no experience of it but "Never wax again" is basically snakeoil.
If they are making absurd promises like that then I would also have to question their product, sorry.

My bonnet is a disgrace after having only covered 5000 odd miles. It looks like it has been shot blasted. But then I've always thought 70 was a rather slow pace  :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 21 March 2010, 21:27
I'm not knocking toughseal as such as I have no experience of it but "Never wax again" is basically snakeoil.
If they are making absurd promises like that then I would also have to question their product, sorry.
My bonnet is a disgrace after having only covered 5000 odd miles. It looks like it has been shot blasted. But then I've always thought 70 was a rather slow pace  :laugh:

You demon. :laugh:
Age wise or speed wise? :grin:
Either one is plain wrong! :smiley:
Seriously: It would drive me insane to have numerous stone chips. Our roads are really terrible and modern day paints are waterbased and too soft.
Keeps the paintshops in business though. :angry:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: percymon on 22 March 2010, 14:46
Unless toughseal issome form of bullet proof paint then its snake oil - if you are doing 70mph (ahem) ont he motorway and a stone is thrown up by the vehicle in front then any paint is going to get hammered. No carnauba or polymer wax/seal is going to make diddly squat difference.

Metallics have a clearcoat so you do have a chance that a stone chip may only be in the clearcoat and not damage or chip the colour coat.  All colours use white primer/surfacer these days so the darker the colour the worse any chip through to the primer will be.

The Auto Express test car could have been the worst one on VWs fleet, i can't see how they can associate the poor state of their car being due to its red or flat paint.

For what its worth mine has one chip on the bonnet after 3500 miles, and a loads of micro indents on the painted bumper where debris has marked but not chipped the plastic.  If i only have 20 chips on the bonnet after 70k miles i'll be well impressed !
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 14:50
My Tornado Mk6 is covered in stone chips. Not impressed.

Too much tailgating Gossa???  :cool:

Also red shows up the prim coat underneath which looks awfull esp on red . Thats why auto express is showing up to much scratches on there car, also they have proberley raggged the car to death??? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: JJH on 22 March 2010, 14:56
roads at the moment will throw up more small stones than usual due to all the friging pot holes, aint no surprises to me.....
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 15:09
Unless toughseal issome form of bullet proof paint then its snake oil

Toughseal or any other paint protector/sealant cannot protect against flying debris like stones etc.
What it does do is protect the paint against UV light and acid rain. It also gives real depth to the colour. In addition, there is also less need to polish the car. As I have never washed or polished a car, this might be beneficial towards my ownership.
I compared my just delivered (today!) Red GTi today to another new one at my local VW dealer. The dealer remarked that the paint on my car looked 'deeper and more impressive'!  His words, not mine.
Tornado Red looks very good, but I still think a Candy White GTi is the best colour.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Captain Sensible on 22 March 2010, 15:23
In this weeks Auto Express mag there is an indepth report on what it's like to live with the GTD. 

The report is very much in favour of the GTD but what is not so good is:

"the red paint of our test car adds to its racy looks - but it comes at a cost.  Yes, you save £430 by opting for a solid shade, but metallic finishes have a strong lacquer that makes them very hard wearing.  And the soft paintwork on our Golf is already stone chipped in places".

Their car has done 2496 miles.

Gizzy

Quite interesting this as I drove VW's for years. One thing that always bothered me was the stone chips on the paint work even metallic.
When I left VW for another make I had no where near the amount of stone chips I had on my VW's.
Certainly metallic receives three more coats of paint and a lacquer over solid paint, as I wrote even my metallic paint on VW's chipped easy
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Steve30 on 22 March 2010, 15:37
Unless toughseal issome form of bullet proof paint then its snake oil

Toughseal or any other paint protector/sealant cannot protect against flying debris like stones etc.
What it does do is protect the paint against UV light and acid rain. It also gives real depth to the colour. In addition, there is also less need to polish the car. As I have never washed or polished a car, this might be beneficial towards my ownership.
I compared my just delivered (today!) Red GTi today to another new one at my local VW dealer. The dealer remarked that the paint on my car looked 'deeper and more impressive'!  His words, not mine.
Tornado Red looks very good, but I still think a Candy White GTi is the best colour.


White is 20 BHP faster as well!! :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 16:02
White is 20 BHP faster as well!! :laugh:

Does this also mean that all white people should be faster than coloured people? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: matchboy on 22 March 2010, 16:18
My Tornado Mk6 is covered in stone chips. Not impressed.

my tornado red mk 5 gti had 37k on it when i got rid of it and the dealer could not find one scratch or chip (bar the alloy i had kerbed!!)
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: VWKev on 22 March 2010, 16:35
got white here, no probs with mine.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Fanters on 22 March 2010, 16:57
What have people got and what would people recommend for paint protection. Superguard, toughseal, Others ?
and does anyone know where i can get it done? I live in Hull my car is arriving within the next couple of weeks (maybe Pickup on  Sunday) and it's white so i might protect the paintwork.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Snoopy on 22 March 2010, 17:00
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Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 17:10
What have people got and what would people recommend for paint protection. Superguard, toughseal, Others ?
and does anyone know where i can get it done? I live in Hull my car is arriving within the next couple of weeks (maybe Pickup on  Sunday) and it's white so i might protect the paintwork.

Hi Fanters:

Browse through this and then make up your mind.
http://www.car-paint-protection.com.au/3/2009/11/car-paint-protection-reviews-5a52e/

I decided to go for Toughseal.
Speak to Stuart Grimshaw at Eurochem/Toughseal/Splash.
He protected my Tornado Red GTi. He is very knowledgeable and did a fantastic job both inside and outside.
http://www.paintprotection.co.uk/

All the best.

Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 17:26
(http://cdn.images.autocar.co.uk/612x408FFFFFFF/NonCar/281101035131431600x1060.jpg)

Definitely the best form of birth control. :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Hartside on 22 March 2010, 18:00
Save your money on paint protection with a dealer and do it yourself with a good wax. While it may have some short term benefits on bird poo, environmental contaminants etc, longer term it won't be there in any great quantity to serve any useful purpose. It most definitely won't give any significant protection against stone chips. It really is just "emperors clothes" that garages are making a quick earner on. 
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Fanters on 22 March 2010, 18:30
What have people got and what would people recommend for paint protection. Superguard, toughseal, Others ?
and does anyone know where i can get it done? I live in Hull my car is arriving within the next couple of weeks (maybe Pickup on  Sunday) and it's white so i might protect the paintwork.

Hi Fanters:

Browse through this and then make up your mind.
http://www.car-paint-protection.com.au/3/2009/11/car-paint-protection-reviews-5a52e/

I decided to go for Toughseal.
Speak to Stuart Grimshaw at Eurochem/Toughseal/Splash.
He protected my Tornado Red GTi. He is very knowledgeable and did a fantastic job both inside and outside.
http://www.paintprotection.co.uk/

All the best.



Thanks i'll give him a call.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: p3eps on 22 March 2010, 18:37
Save your money on paint protection with a dealer and do it yourself with a good wax. While it may have some short term benefits on bird poo, environmental contaminants etc, longer term it won't be there in any great quantity to serve any useful purpose. It most definitely won't give any significant protection against stone chips. It really is just "emperors clothes" that garages are making a quick earner on. 

I agree... I bought some decent polish, wax, shampoo, mitt and 2 buckets with grit guards - and spent a day washing / waxing.  The SupaGuard my dealer offers isn't great, and costs about £250 if I remember correctly.  I'd rather spend the time and effort doing a proper job myself and using quality products - which cost a bit less.

ETTO though...
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: gossa on 22 March 2010, 19:54
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.

Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 20:23
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........

Yawn. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: VWKev on 22 March 2010, 20:31
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........

Yawn. :rolleyes:

am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 20:33
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Yawn. :rolleyes:
am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.

I hate wearing gloves! :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: simonpolly on 22 March 2010, 20:35
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Yawn. :rolleyes:
am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.



I hate wearing gloves! :laugh:

I hear the only waxing you do is your bikni line :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 20:38
I hear the only waxing you do is your bikni line :grin:

Listen Prettypolly, go back to the nonsense thread, NOW! :kiss:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Snoopy on 22 March 2010, 20:43
Sad bunch of women spending all that time cleaning  :tongue: ..,cars are for driving man!  :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 20:46
Sad bunch of women spending all that time cleaning  :tongue: ..,cars are for driving man!  :grin:

They don't drive them, they just keep cleaning them!
I wonder how they treat their women! :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: simonpolly on 22 March 2010, 20:47
Real men like their cars clean and their women dirty  :laugh: :laugh: :grin:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 20:50
Real men like their cars clean and their women dirty  :laugh: :laugh: :grin:

Never a truer word was said in jest.
But how would you know? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Freakinsweet on 22 March 2010, 21:05
I have a CW Gti and I must say I am not impressed at all with how easy the paint chips. Have several on the front bumper where the black primer/plastic shines through. Have a few on the bonnet as well and the gray undercoat is fully visible. Car is at 53000 miles (8500 km).

I had a black golf prior to this one and I had chips but nowhere near this amount. Prior to that a blue metallic Saab 9-3...almost no chips at all. The CW is way too soft and they should have given it a few more layers of paint.

 
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 21:08
I have a CW Gti and I must say I am not impressed at all with how easy the paint chips. Have several on the front bumper where the black primer/plastic shines through. Have a few on the bonnet as well and the gray undercoat is fully visible. Car is at 53000 miles (8500 km).
I had a black golf prior to this one and I had chips but nowhere near this amount. Prior to that a blue metallic Saab 9-3...almost no chips at all. The CW is way too soft and they should have given it a few more layers of paint.

I have never heard of this Swedish manufacturer CW. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: gossa on 22 March 2010, 23:00
Sad bunch of women spending all that time cleaning  :tongue: ..,cars are for driving man!  :grin:

Well i've done 14,000 miles in my mk6 since last June Snoops, already been through one set of front tyres at less than 9K, how many have you done? Oh, you're still waiting! And you am1w (Am 1 W@nker)? :evil: :grin:

I think i'm driving mine just fine, I just like it shiny too............

Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: VWKev on 22 March 2010, 23:10
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Yawn. :rolleyes:
am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.




I hate wearing gloves! :laugh:

I hear the only waxing you do is your bikni line :grin:

 :grin: Si on top form again.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 22 March 2010, 23:58
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Yawn. :rolleyes:
am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.
I hate wearing gloves! :laugh:
I hear the only waxing you do is your bikni line :grin:
:grin: Si on top form again.

Simon and I are going into the Christmas Tent business. :laugh:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: VWKev on 22 March 2010, 23:59
I'd never have any form of paint protection on my car, would spoil the joy of cleaning it.
Proper wash, snowfoam, claying, polishing, glazing, sealing, waxing, more waxing to fade........
Yawn. :rolleyes:
am1w, I'm right there with gossa, its great doing your own detailing.
I hate wearing gloves! :laugh:
I hear the only waxing you do is your bikni line :grin:
:grin: Si on top form again.

Simon and I are going into the Christmas Tent business. :laugh:

 :laugh:  :sick:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: devito on 23 March 2010, 00:11
What have people got and what would people recommend for paint protection. Superguard, toughseal, Others ?
and does anyone know where i can get it done? I live in Hull my car is arriving within the next couple of weeks (maybe Pickup on  Sunday) and it's white so i might protect the paintwork.

what about ventureshield paint protection film?
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 23 March 2010, 00:15
What have people got and what would people recommend for paint protection. Superguard, toughseal, Others ?
and does anyone know where i can get it done? I live in Hull my car is arriving within the next couple of weeks (maybe Pickup on  Sunday) and it's white so i might protect the paintwork.
what about ventureshield paint protection film?

Good morning!
Turns yellow at the edges especially on light coloured cars so I have been told.
And, it is quite expensive. Good for stone chips though!
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: p3eps on 23 March 2010, 07:01
And you am1w (Am 1 W@nker)? :evil: :grin:


I have to admint, I've been thinking that for the last couple of weeks too.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: HA54SYM` on 23 March 2010, 07:15
2x things I think VW are very bad at,

1. Painting cars, they chip and scratch much easier than other manufacturers.

2. Wheel quality, but I guess thats BBS's problem. Never seen wheels corode so quickly.

Dave
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 23 March 2010, 09:28
2x things I think VW are very bad at,
1. Painting cars, they chip and scratch much easier than other manufacturers.
2. Wheel quality, but I guess thats BBS's problem. Never seen wheels corode so quickly.
Dave

I think they are pretty good.
You should see the paintwork on Honda Civics. Full of orange peel and so thin that you can practically see the undercoat!
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Snoopy on 23 March 2010, 17:44
Sad bunch of women spending all that time cleaning  :tongue: ..,cars are for driving man!  :grin:

Well i've done 14,000 miles in my mk6 since last June Snoops, already been through one set of front tyres at less than 9K, how many have you done? Oh, you're still waiting! And you am1w (Am 1 W@nker)? :evil: :grin:

I think i'm driving mine just fine, I just like it shiny too............


had a mk5 same car  :tongue: and a few mk1s and use of a mk6 so have done a few miles :tongue:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Freakinsweet on 23 March 2010, 18:40
I have a CW Gti and I must say I am not impressed at all with how easy the paint chips. Have several on the front bumper where the black primer/plastic shines through. Have a few on the bonnet as well and the gray undercoat is fully visible. Car is at 53000 miles (8500 km).
I had a black golf prior to this one and I had chips but nowhere near this amount. Prior to that a blue metallic Saab 9-3...almost no chips at all. The CW is way too soft and they should have given it a few more layers of paint.

I have never heard of this Swedish manufacturer CW. :rolleyes:

CW = Candy White but I guess you already knew that ;)
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: am1w on 23 March 2010, 18:49
I have a CW Gti and I must say I am not impressed at all with how easy the paint chips. Have several on the front bumper where the black primer/plastic shines through. Have a few on the bonnet as well and the gray undercoat is fully visible. Car is at 53000 miles (8500 km).
I had a black golf prior to this one and I had chips but nowhere near this amount. Prior to that a blue metallic Saab 9-3...almost no chips at all. The CW is way too soft and they should have given it a few more layers of paint.
I have never heard of this Swedish manufacturer CW. :rolleyes:
CW = Candy White but I guess you already knew that ;)

I was not sure whether it was a typo or Swedish for for V or something else! I should have re-read your post more carefully. Sorry.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Snoopy on 23 March 2010, 18:51
Its the lazy arsed American way of writing Candy White  :tongue:
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Freakinsweet on 23 March 2010, 19:13
Quote
I was not sure whether it was a typo or Swedish for for V or something else! I should have re-read your post more carefully. Sorry.

No worries, can see why the US "jargon" made you confused ;)
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: VWKev on 23 March 2010, 21:46
Back to the topic.

I think the standard colours for the GTI's, red, white, black...VW have them looking great. I've only ever really liked the pearlesant paints anyway and have never really been a metalic lover. As for protection, that laquer finish will be a ba5tard should it get scratched, mine got scratched and its looking fine now, Id probably never got it looking as good should I have had the lacquer finish. With the right care, attention and some good old detailing, a standard colour car can be protected pretty decently I'd say.
Title: Re: Non metallic paint
Post by: Rhyso on 25 March 2010, 08:12
Thread cleaned up

The Chat - nonsense section is ^^^^^^^ way

For those to lazy to find it, here's a link

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=19.0