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Title: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 18 March 2010, 11:02
Hi Guys

For around a month now I've had a loud knocking noise when turning the wheel and pulling off slowly. This happens on both left and right turns and disappears if I push the clutch.
I assumed this was a problem with the CV joints so jacked the car up but couldn't replicate the noise and didn't feel any real resistance while spinning the wheel. The boots were also fine, with no rips or tears.
Driving to work today and the problem has got much worse. The steering wheel now shakes quite violently when turning and im not looking forward to the drive home!
Does this sound like a CV joint problem or something else??
If it is a CV problem how do I identify which side is at fault??

Cheers
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 13:04
I have a similar probelm whereby there is a knocking noise when I turn corners, seems to come from the nearside, i was thinking possibly something to do with the suspension or wishbone maybe?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 13:06
Sounds like the wishbone bushes are shot. CV joints make a ticking noise on full lock when they're overly worn.

Nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 13:22
How easy/difficult are they to relpace and is it expensive to do?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 13:26
The wishbone bushes can be a pain to be honest as they need pressing in. Cheapest way is to buy the buches , get the wishbones off the car and drop them to a local garage to press them in and then refit yourself. Best to do both sides at the same time as well.

Nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 14:17
Timewise is it a long job start to finish? I might drop the car off with my mechanic and have him do it if its an hour job or so...
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 14:34
Yeah I'd say about an hour a side if you got all the tools and a lift.

nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 14:48
Ah, now I have my doubts now you have mentioned having the right tools... hmmm what, inparticular would I need?
Is there something specialist required?  :undecided:

Dan
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 14:52
A press for the bushes is the only specialist tool, the rest is just sockets and long extension bars for the inevitable bloody tight old bolts.

nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Mew on 18 March 2010, 14:55
At £15 per wishbone INC bushes why piss about with getting bushes pressed in? That's if it is your wishbones at fault
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 14:58
hMMM, £15 WHERE FROM?
Sounds like a better idea to me...

Dan
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Mew on 18 March 2010, 15:06
GSF and VWspares when i got mine. Just had a look though and they're more like £25 a side now, so maybe not the best route.......
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Brads MK2 GTI on 18 March 2010, 15:38
Lol I know this is off topic but it reminds me of when I had a knocking noise coming from the front left when going around a corner ages ago. Spent ages wracking my brain checking CV, wheel bearing, suspension, anything that it could be. You know what it was? Turns out the bolt that holds the battery in had just come away with rust and the battery was slinging itself against my pas resevoir! Lol :)
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 15:40
now theres an excellent point... ill check that!
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 18 March 2010, 16:03
Cant see it being the wishbones, I replaced them with new last summer.
Plus the noise goes if I push the clutch.....
Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 16:05
Release bearing in the box?

nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 16:06
Wet Gremlins?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 18 March 2010, 17:18
HELP!!!
Things have just got a whole lot worse!
Pulled out of the works car park and ive lost all drive. Just hear a horrible grinding noise when with the clutch up.
Recovery man on his way but im stuck for work now as this is my daily.
What you reckon, gearbox??
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: peaky83 on 18 March 2010, 17:31
Errrm, does it grind all the time or when in gear or with the clutch down?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 18 March 2010, 17:41
I now grinds when in gear with the clutch up. its fine in neutral.
Just got it up quickly on some stands and the O/S outer CV joint is making a terrible crunching noise when I spin the wheel.
In fact I can actually feel loose ball bearings wobbleing about inside the boot!!
Would this cause me to lose drive totally even if just the one side is gone?
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: JimR on 18 March 2010, 17:57
I'm no expert but i think unless you have an LSD fitted then you would lose all drive, it does sound if your cv joint has shat itself and gone west, lucky its more a dirty job to replace than a difficult one.
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 18 March 2010, 18:40
Yup classic CV joint failure. I just bought a replacement one off eBay for £22 including postage and arrived next day.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK2-1-8GTi-1-8-AUTO-CV-JOINT-NEW-84-93_W0QQitemZ130334397436QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item1e588913fc


Nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 19 March 2010, 12:08
Cheers for the suggestions and thanks for the link Horney!
Thats about the cheapest ive seen (A local factors want £67 + £5 surcharge for the old one!!!)
As its my daily though it needs to get sorted on the weekend, so luckily a motor factors close to where I work can get one this afternoon for £22 + VAT so quite resonable.
Never done a CV joint before, whats the verdict on removing it insitu?
Does it pop of fairly easily?
I'd rather not touch the inner joint if at all possible, mainly because I dont have the spline tool.
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 19 March 2010, 12:09
Funny you should mention it as DH posted this in my build thread about 3 mins ago!

http://diamondhell.com/content/view/33/30/

We can compare notes after the weekend as I've not done one before either.

Nick
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Steve_B on 19 March 2010, 12:26
Make sure you have some heavy duty cable ties available as those steel clamps for the boot are impossible to get on without the proper tool (don't know which one). Oh, and make sure you get a boot kit with the cv joint.
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 19 March 2010, 12:52
That looks fairly comprehensive and straight forward.
I assume i'll have to mark the position of the bottom joint before removal (as the holes are slotted if I remember correctly) to avoid having to have a geometry setup again.
Steve_B - thanks for the tip, ill pick up some metal cable ties incase I run into trouble.
Ill let you know how I fair when im done  :smiley:
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: james_16v on 22 March 2010, 11:32
Sorted this on the weekend.
The old CV joint was in a shocking state and was smashed into about 20 pieces, shame on me for letting it get so bad.
Never done one before but it all went quite smooth with no real hassle's.
Didnt even attempt to use the CV boot clips in the kit, just used a couple of heavy duty cable ties.
These should suffice the old boot was held on with the same and has been fine for years.
Cheers for all the help lads  :smiley:
Title: Re: CV joints or something more sinister???
Post by: Horney on 22 March 2010, 11:37
Cool glad you got it sorted. Did mine as well!

Nick