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Title: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 02 March 2010, 15:15: For all of you who need to get HID conversions professionally installed at approximately £145 per set of beams, why don't you contact:
http://www.hid-kits.co.uk/
Speak to David.
They also provide a mobile fitting service.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: R32UK on 02 March 2010, 15:23: illegal
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:24: Quote from: R32UK on 02 March 2010, 15:23
illegal

especially if you install them into non-projector type headlights as the beam pattern will be terrible
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 02 March 2010, 15:27: Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:24
Quote from: R32UK on 02 March 2010, 15:23
illegal
especially if you install them into non-projector type headlights as the beam pattern will be terrible

6000K is the brightest one can have (without projector lenses) being diomand white.
With projector lenses 8000k is possible.
Both 'legal'.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:38: Some reading for you

http://www.hid.moonfruit.com/#/conclusion/4529675873

http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 15:44: if you can afford a mk6 and want to blind someone just go for flippin xenons!
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: AlanD on 02 March 2010, 15:59: If you get the projector lens what's the beam pattern like Rhyso? Only thing I'll be missing is this auto level stuff as the washers came with my winter pack.

Been toying with the idea but the last thing I want to be as a dangerous annoying tw@t on the road.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: VWKev on 02 March 2010, 16:20: Quote from: AlanD on 02 March 2010, 15:59
If you get the projector lens what's the beam pattern like Rhyso? Only thing I'll be missing is this auto level stuff as the washers came with my winter pack.

Been toying with the idea but the last thing I want to be as a dangerous annoying tw@t on the road.

Dont say that about yourself Alan, you're not dangerous or annoying. :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: AlanD on 02 March 2010, 16:24: I know that mate ;)

But I cant stand it when a cowboy job conversion of someone trying to put xenons on their car drives past me, not really dealt much with HID conversions so was wondering if these projector headlamps do the job?
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:27: scour the Ebay mate - seen a few sets of genuine xenons go for approx £400 :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: VWKev on 02 March 2010, 16:28: Quote from: AlanD on 02 March 2010, 16:24
I know that mate ;)

But I cant stand it when a cowboy job conversion of someone trying to put xenons on their car drives past me, not really dealt much with HID conversions so was wondering if these projector headlamps do the job?

Are they worse than proper Xenon's then I take it ? Much brighter ?
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: AlanD on 02 March 2010, 16:37: The lights (bulbs) themselves (to my knowledge) are the same.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:46: Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:27
scour the Ebay mate - seen a few sets of genuine xenons go for approx £400 :wink:

add on gas dischargers, wiring to loom, auto adjuster on steering column and installation and you wont have much change from a grand!
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:49: Quote from: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:46
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:27
scour the Ebay mate - seen a few sets of genuine xenons go for approx £400 :wink:

add on gas dischargers, wiring to loom, auto adjuster on steering column and installation and you wont have much change from a grand!

fairly sure the units are complete with the dischargers :undecided:

see life was so much simpler with a Mk4 - it was all in built into the headlight :tongue: :grin:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:50: Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:49
Quote from: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:46
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:27
scour the Ebay mate - seen a few sets of genuine xenons go for approx £400 :wink:

add on gas dischargers, wiring to loom, auto adjuster on steering column and installation and you wont have much change from a grand!

fairly sure the units are complete with the dischargers :undecided:

see life was so much simpler with a Mk4 - it was all in built into the headlight :tongue: :grin:

there not in the headlight though, so yeah your right not as gay as the mk4 with twin indicators and fogs all in one! :tongue: :grin:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:56: Quote from: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:50
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:49
Quote from: dan_apps on 02 March 2010, 16:46
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 16:27
scour the Ebay mate - seen a few sets of genuine xenons go for approx £400 :wink:

add on gas dischargers, wiring to loom, auto adjuster on steering column and installation and you wont have much change from a grand!

fairly sure the units are complete with the dischargers :undecided:

see life was so much simpler with a Mk4 - it was all in built into the headlight :tongue: :grin:

there not in the headlight though, so yeah your right not as gay as the mk4 with twin indicators and ~~fogs~~ all in one! :tongue: :grin:

No fogs in Mk4 xenons :tongue: Get your facts right douche bag
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 02 March 2010, 18:50: Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:38
Some reading for you
http://www.hid.moonfruit.com/#/conclusion/4529675873
http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps

Thank you for your help with this information.
Most grateful. :smiley:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:03: Quote from: am1w on 02 March 2010, 18:50
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:38
Some reading for you
http://www.hid.moonfruit.com/#/conclusion/4529675873
http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
Thank you for your help with this information.
Most grateful. :smiley:

Spoke to HID Conversions. Cars with their conversions have passed MOTs and David will provide in writing that they are road legal. What do you think?
Conversion takes approximately 5 to 6 hours for all three beams.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Rhyso on 03 March 2010, 10:07: Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:03
Quote from: am1w on 02 March 2010, 18:50
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:38
Some reading for you
http://www.hid.moonfruit.com/#/conclusion/4529675873
http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
Thank you for your help with this information.
Most grateful. :smiley:

Spoke to HID Conversions. Cars with their conversions have passed MOTs and David will provide in writing that they are road legal. What do you think?
Conversion takes approximately 5 to 6 hours for all three beams.

Its an extremely grey area of the law. The MOT will only test for beam pattern and brightness - it doesn't actually cover the installation side of things.

The chap seems very confident they are road legal - if he's willing to provide that in writing then so be it

Me, personally, I would invest in some good quality uprated bulbs from Osram or Phillips and fit those :smiley:

Decision is entirely yours :smiley:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: gossa on 03 March 2010, 10:09: 5-6 hours for all three beams? The HID kit in my van took half an hour to fit. I don't care if it's legal or not, the lights on my vito were dangerously sh!te and I drive a lot on country roads so needed better lights. No-one flashes me so I assume my HID kit isn't blinding people.

My mate has a HID kit in his MK5, again, looks factory so I don't see what all the fuss is about. Fitting rally stage lights is stupid but upgrading to something brighter for your particular driving conditions seems sensible.

Tried uprated bulbs, all a waste of time, hardly any brighter despite wild claims.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: percymon on 03 March 2010, 10:10: Maybe, but the MOT test only checks for a minimium amouint of light, general alignment and any difference in colour from one headlight to another - it does not cover excessive overall light, glare or colour per se. You could fit 120W purplish bulbs in a stock headlight and you'd pass an MOT. That doesn't make them legal.

The wild claims for uprated bulbs are not so wild, they are just misinterpreted - +50 / 80 / 90% bulbs do work, but they only produce that extra light at certain point of the beam pattern. If a standrd bulb barely stretches to 100m distance, its not difficultt to claim +80%. Ditto with a dark spot in a beam pattern.

Fitting any HID kit or conversion means you run the risk of invalidating your warranty (certainly for any electrical system failure), invalidating your insurance and getting stopped by the rozzers (although thats highly unlikely seen as they take no notice of the 20% of cars driving around with one headlight or using fog lights incorrectly).

Down to personal choice and your approach to risk.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:12: Quote from: Rhyso on 03 March 2010, 10:07
Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:03
Quote from: am1w on 02 March 2010, 18:50
Quote from: Rhyso on 02 March 2010, 15:38
Some reading for you
http://www.hid.moonfruit.com/#/conclusion/4529675873
http://www.phoenixautobulbs.co.uk/articles/are-hid-kits-legal-355.html
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
Thank you for your help with this information.
Most grateful. :smiley:
Spoke to HID Conversions. Cars with their conversions have passed MOTs and David will provide in writing that they are road legal. What do you think?
Conversion takes approximately 5 to 6 hours for all three beams.
Its an extremely grey area of the law. The MOT will only test for beam pattern and brightness - it doesn't actually cover the installation side of things.
The chap seems very confident they are road legal - if he's willing to provide that in writing then so be it
Me, personally, I would invest in some good quality uprated bulbs from Osram or Phillips and fit those :smiley:
Decision is entirely yours :smiley:

Thanks again. :smiley:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:15: Quote from: gossa on 03 March 2010, 10:09
5-6 hours for all three beams? The HID kit in my van took half an hour to fit. I don't care if it's legal or not, the lights on my vito were dangerously sh!te and I drive a lot on country roads so needed better lights. No-one flashes me so I assume my HID kit isn't blinding people.
My mate has a HID kit in his MK5, again, looks factory so I don't see what all the fuss is about. Fitting rally stage lights is stupid but upgrading to something brighter for your particular driving conditions seems sensible.
Tried uprated bulbs, all a waste of time, hardly any brighter despite wild claims.

I agree with you gossa.
Those uprated bulbs seemed to make no difference.
I will proceed with converting all 3 beams (driving lights, high beam, fog lights) to Xenons.
But before I proceed, I will check with VW and my Insurance Company for any issues.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: mac7 on 03 March 2010, 18:58: Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:03
Spoke to HID Conversions. Cars with their conversions have passed MOTs and David will provide in writing that they are road legal. What do you think?

I can provide in writing that it is legal to shoot someone with a harpoon gun - doesn't mean that it is. :grin:

Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:15
I will proceed with converting all 3 beams (driving lights, high beam, fog lights) to Xenons.
But before I proceed, I will check with VW and my Insurance Company for any issues.

Good luck finding some HID replacements for the H15 bulbs. And if you do, you'll have fun trying to flash your lights at people because HID's don't light up instantly.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:03: Quote from: mac7 on 03 March 2010, 18:58
Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:03
Spoke to HID Conversions. Cars with their conversions have passed MOTs and David will provide in writing that they are road legal. What do you think?
I can provide in writing that it is legal to shoot someone with a harpoon gun - doesn't mean that it is. :grin:
Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 10:15
I will proceed with converting all 3 beams (driving lights, high beam, fog lights) to Xenons.
But before I proceed, I will check with VW and my Insurance Company for any issues.
Good luck finding some HID replacements for the H15 bulbs. And if you do, you'll have fun trying to flash your lights at people because HID's don't light up instantly.

You know what?
I do have a harpoon gun!
Now, who can I use it on? :laugh:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: mac7 on 03 March 2010, 19:08: Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:03
You know what?
I do have a harpoon gun!
Now, who can I use it on? :laugh:

Kev? :lipsrsealed: or should I run for cover :laugh:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:14: Quote from: mac7 on 03 March 2010, 19:08
Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:03
You know what?
I do have a harpoon gun!
Now, who can I use it on? :laugh:
Kev? :lipsrsealed: or should I run for cover :laugh:

I like Kev. :smiley:
Please don't run for cover as I will then have to hunt you down. It would be too much fun for a termination! :laugh:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:47: mac7:
Changed my mind!
RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: VWKev on 03 March 2010, 23:10: Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:14
Quote from: mac7 on 03 March 2010, 19:08
Quote from: am1w on 03 March 2010, 19:03
You know what?
I do have a harpoon gun!
Now, who can I use it on? :laugh:
Kev? :lipsrsealed: or should I run for cover :laugh:

I like Kev. :smiley:
Please don't run for cover as I will then have to hunt you down. It would be too much fun for a termination! :laugh:

Shucks, you guys are too nice to me. :embarassed:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 04 March 2010, 06:57: Look through german ebay every thing is for sale, Ive done the full conversion myself R32 xenons, auto levelers and washers for less than £600 including the looms from kufatec...other little bits and the washer bumper caps from VW.

Darren
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: AlanD on 04 March 2010, 09:31: Quote from: mortygt140 on 04 March 2010, 06:57
Ive done the full conversion myself

That being the keyword. If your not mechanically sound enough to do it yourself its quite expensive labour wise to get it ALL put in.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 04 March 2010, 14:46: I know what you mean Alan but I've done a couple now for other people who are not mechanically minded...If you wasnt so far away I'd give you an hand.

Darren
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: AlanD on 04 March 2010, 14:49: Thanks mate.

Im VERY tempted to get someone to try and do a decent job of this, trying to get to as close to OEM as possible.

I dunno though, I dont want it being a piss poor job where the alignment shines up and pisses everyone off.

:undecided: :undecided:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: mortygt140 on 04 March 2010, 14:53: Thats the easy part mate, get the xenons fitted then get a garage to line them up to normal operation, then once the levelers are fitted get them done again that way you can drive round without the levelers until you get them fitted.

Thats what most people have done upto now.

Darren
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 12 October 2011, 06:56: Quote from: dan_n on 12 October 2011, 02:59
i have first golf mk6 right hand drive aftermarket xenon headlights check ebay item 150670293007

or goto http://www.dndiscount.co.uk/Golf_MK6_Xenon_Headlights/p912216_4682166.aspx

Really, may we have a photo please as many members think they look snide.

Btw in order to save confusion I've removed the other 4 posts you put up on this subject :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: am1w on 12 October 2011, 10:21: Looks ok.
Top tip: Always factory order Xenons. Wish I had.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 12 October 2011, 10:56: As well as light scatter, aftermarket HID's in reflector headlights will always look, well, aftermarket.

There is a Mk5 Golf that I see around here with them. I was next to it in my Passat (with a HID conversion) the other day. The Golf's headlights looked like big blobs of bluish tinted glare, where as my projector lights had a sharp, focused almost piercing stare. Just like OEM xenons.

As said before, HID main beams will react too slowly, and what about your DRL's? As for foglights, they will be more likely to light up the fog rather than the road below it.

I don't usually agree with you, but in this case your top tip is spot on.
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: EyeballPaul on 13 October 2011, 09:01: Dan,

I would be interested in those aftermarket xenons, but when and how do the LED's light up,
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 13 October 2011, 09:37: I have xenons as some may already know and have no issues with blinding others. Although I am constantly looking for OEM xenons, seen a set on eBay lastweek, but guy ended the auction early :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 October 2011, 11:01: You can have mine in 10 months ;-)
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 13 October 2011, 12:39: Change months to days and you have yerself a deal! :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 October 2011, 14:25: Quote from: KennyGTI on 13 October 2011, 12:39
Change months to days and you have yerself a deal! :wink:

NO WAY :grin:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 13 October 2011, 16:17: I don't mind waiting 10 months :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: The Doc on 13 October 2011, 16:47: Sold to the man in the RED golf :wink:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: KennyGTI on 13 October 2011, 16:58: He needs to spend his money in the body shop though!? VW have gave him and extra two doors!!?? :drool:
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: dubber36 on 13 October 2011, 17:08: What is it they say?

More doors, errrrr ah yeah, that's it, more door shuts to have to dry when it's been washed
Title: Re: Xenons
Post by: Mr_F on 14 October 2011, 09:41: more doors = less interesting view watching the lady's get in the back seat. but does mean easier access, ooh errr!