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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Neo Badness on 16 February 2010, 10:15
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Can anybody put up a pic of their tops mounts if they have coilovers fitted?
My mate helped fit them and we did it exactly like it was originally, that's not to say it's not wrong though :grin:
I had the car in the garage and they said they were "dangerous", I know the nut that bolts down on them isn't on terribly far and I will do something about them. But any help would be appreciated...
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you have answered your own question, do the nut up properly!
check the bearing is sitting on he top plate ok as well, sometimes you need to put a washer in there
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you didnt fit the black spring plate as well did you? the top mount should just drop straight on the coilovers then you do up the slotted nut tight, then fit to car and pop the upper retaining cup thing on and lastly the top nut.
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you didnt fit the black spring plate as well did you? the top mount should just drop straight on the coilovers then you do up the slotted nut tight, then fit to car and pop the upper retaining cup thing on and lastly the top nut.
Erm, perhaps :undecided: I thought it looked a bit "funny" but it was getting dark and that was how it was when I got the car. Will ptake a photo and show you guys what I'm talking about.
you have answered your own question, do the nut up properly!
check the bearing is sitting on he top plate ok as well, sometimes you need to put a washer in there
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yeah that could explain it! the black cap thing isnt required on coilovers, as they have the top spring cap built in
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yeah that could explain it! the black cap thing isnt required on coilovers, as they have the top spring cap built in
I'm not too sure what's happened. They seem to sit awful high up. Pic will be attached to this once I get home and can upload an image
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run though how youve set them up mate, gives us a better idea of where you could have gone wrong! :smiley:
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run though how youve set them up mate, gives us a better idea of where you could have gone wrong! :smiley:
Just refitted them as per how they were fitted. As I said I'm at work/ supposed to be working an will get a photo later on tonight. I have never fitted suspension before let alone coilovers so there was plenty of room to do something cockish. :embarassed:
Photo's to follow for you to laugh at.
If it is all wrong I blame the responsible adult who was supposed to be supervising :grin: ( Getting my excuses in quick)
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This is a quick pic
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/neobadness/DSC00454.jpg)
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/neobadness/DSC00453.jpg)
Have I been a spoon?
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by the lack of thread sticking out the nut i think rubjonny got it spot on :grin:
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by the lack of thread sticking out the nut i think rubjonny got it spot on :grin:
yup! do look like it! :lipsrsealed:
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Just after fitting coilovers, myself, forgot the notched nut also that sits inside the rubber top mount. Looks like your mounts are shagged also, why dont you fit new ones while your at it. G60 items are good. I will get a pick of my set up tomorrow night for you.
You should have the parts assembled from top down as follows.
-nut (under bonnet)
-top cap (under bonnet)
- notched nut (under valance)
- top rubber mount with bearing.
- small washer (sits on the shoulder to thead of the damper)
- Coilover top cap for spring.
Me thinks this is correct anyway!
I found the easiest way to fit these, was to screw down the coilover all the way down and off the thead until they are loose.
Fit all the items at the top.
Then screw back up the spring nut by hand, its alot easier to do off then on.
Measure both with a rule so they are even.
What breed of coilovers are you fitting?
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Nah, Top mounts are brand spankers ( G60 ones too :wink:) As were all the other parts fitted.
Not sure what the " black cap" is but assuming it's not a hanging judge. Do you mean the top mount? as that's the only black thing there?
I think the mounting looks odd, doesn't look right as it were. I did mention this but was over ruled by someone with more experience... :grin:
Can someone post a pic of their top mount so I can see what they should look like?
Cheers
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Where did these coilovers come from, are you sure they are right, cant wait to see pick.
The black thing is not the mount, its the cap that secured the spring on the old shock.
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Where did these coilovers come from, are you sure they are right, cant wait to see pick.
The black thing is not the mount, its the cap that secured the spring on the old shock.
WTF? Coilovers came from volksbits. Defo for a mk2 golf. No I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with the fitting of them hence my original post.
Black thing? Cap? could someone please clarify? Why would I be putting the old cap that secured the spring to the old shock?
Just to also clarify there were coilovers on this previously and all we did was refit them the way they were on there before....
Am I being thick? I'm not a mechanic but I can see it ain't sitting right. Would love someone to post a pic of theirs so I can see how it's done properly, because if someone else says " you put the thing on the thingy, but not that thing, you know the other thing", type of reply I may very well loose the will to carry on....
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the black plastic cap is merely to cover the top of the top mount after you finish tightening up etc, it keeps all the crap out!
when fitting the coilovers all you need to do is put the coilover though from underneath, it should have the rubber mount already on it, then the top mount sits on top, tighten up job done!
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the black bit you can see between the shock tower and the retaining cup, is that the rubber of the top mount, or the metal from the old mk2 spring top cap? if the former its buggered or you built it wrong, if its the latter, you definitly built it wrong :grin:
this is how you build it, note #8. thats the spring top mount, you dont use this on coilovers, or part 11.
so it should be: coilover -> top mount -> sloted nut -> car -> retaining cup -> top nut:
(http://vwtech.no-ip.info/images/golf/frontsusp.jpg)
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the black bit you can see between the shock tower and the retaining cup, is that the rubber of the top mount, or the metal from the old mk2 spring top cap? if the former its buggered or you built it wrong, if its the latter, you definitly built it wrong :grin:
this is how you build it, note #8. thats the spring top mount, you dont use this on coilovers, or part 11.
so it should be: coilover -> top mount -> sloted nut -> car -> retaining cup -> top nut:
(http://vwtech.no-ip.info/images/golf/frontsusp.jpg)
Cheers RJ, that is excellent, and I can even see that image at work! Will have a look at the car over the weekend as I think this is going to require a pull apart. I think we did it coilover -> top mount -> sloted nut -> car -> retaining cup -> top nut: but can't be 100%. Also the retaining cup sits about 2in higher than the inner wings making my no.9 plastic caps useless :sad:
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yeah something isnt right, definitly shouldnt be sitting like that!
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yeah something isnt right, definitly shouldnt be sitting like that!
Aye, will investigate and report back as to what's happened, why and who is to blame... :grin:
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Not sure if yours is the same but I bought some new top mounts for my mk2 when i got my coillies (hot tuning, don't ask) but the mounts had a spring retaining cup built into them that i couldn't remove so i never used them, are yours like that? If so its possible that you have 2 retaining cups at the top of the shock, 1 built into the coillies and one built into the topmount, this would cause you to sit a bit high at the front and would also explain the lack of thread coming through the turret top. It looks like it isn't even tightened down onto the nylock bit of the nut which is very dangerous.
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Like these? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Mk2-Golf-G60-German-Febi-Bilstein-Top-Mounts-Pair_W0QQitemZ150409109761QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item230514e101)
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Here are those pics as promised of my setup. (FK's)
(http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/143/l_b996c44088ae4494b73300bc8dae4d4b.jpg)
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Not sure if yours is the same but I bought some new top mounts for my mk2 when i got my coillies (hot tuning, don't ask) but the mounts had a spring retaining cup built into them that i couldn't remove so i never used them, are yours like that? If so its possible that you have 2 retaining cups at the top of the shock, 1 built into the coillies and one built into the topmount, this would cause you to sit a bit high at the front and would also explain the lack of thread coming through the turret top. It looks like it isn't even tightened down onto the nylock bit of the nut which is very dangerous.
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Like these? (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-Mk2-Golf-G60-German-Febi-Bilstein-Top-Mounts-Pair_W0QQitemZ150409109761QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item230514e101)
Yeah, I think those are the puppies. Bought them as they were "Especially suitable for lowered or uprated suspension as these have a harder compound of rubber as compared to a standard", ah well you live and learn. WIll order some new ones. Get it sorted over weekend.
hayescappa cheers for the pics, where did you get your top mounts from??
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erm, all MK2 top mounts are like that, thats the way they are designed! there is no extra spring plate built into oem MK2 top mounts, ever. they all use a separate spring top mount, which is black, #8 in my suspension pic above.
Look at the pic, it even shows that metal dish on the base of the top mount
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erm, all MK2 top mounts are like that, thats the way they are designed! there is no extra spring plate built into oem MK2 top mounts, ever. they all use a separate spring top mount, which is black, #8 in my suspension pic above.
Look at the pic, it even shows that metal dish on the base of the top mount
Ok I'm confused now and can't see the pics as I'm at work. I've bought and fitted G60 topmounts, the febi bilstein ones off the 'bay. They do have the metal bits on one side like the ones in the JimR link. I have got a picture of all that was fitted as I did a before and after. Will post it up when I get back home but working late tonight, and no that isn't a euphemism, unfortunately... :grin:
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Ok so this was what was fitted minus the wee extra rear top mounts
(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/neobadness/ResizedNcoils.jpg)
So should I have fitted those G60 topmounts?
Any suggestions gratefully recieved...
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I see you have 2 nuts on your front struts as shown above, you shouldn't have fitted the lower one (if you did), the original VW notched nut should have be fitted instead to hold on the rubber mount, maybe this is causing the bodder, I got my top mounts from GSF. Hope you sort it the weekend, I also noticed you have dust covers on your ones, I got mine from Venom FK's but no dust covers came with them. Should I have got these?
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I see you have 2 nuts on your front struts as shown above, you shouldn't have fitted the lower one (if you did), the original VW notched nut should have be fitted instead to hold on the rubber mount, maybe this is causing the bodder, I got my top mounts from GSF. Hope you sort it the weekend, I also noticed you have dust covers on your ones, I got mine from Venom FK's but no dust covers came with them. Should I have got these?
Feck knows :laugh:
I'm total coilover/suspension virgin, hence the bollox up :grin:
Erm, imagine dust covers will keep the, er, dust out?
Will check out the 2x nut hypothesis. Got a mate of a mate with a beast of a lock up which he said he'd lend me this weekend= win :wink:
Plus I don't have the vw notched nut, dunno if that's a major factor or not. Hoping it'll be a simple fix.... FLW
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http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=781
could be if you used the nut included in the kit to secure the top mount it didnt fit inside the hole in the top mount properly, thius could explain why its all gone rather funny. the slotted nut fits inside the hole in the middle of the top mount neatly so the retaining cup and upper nut fit snugly together with the top mount
undo top nut, remove retaining cup and look at the top mount, you shouldn't have a random nut bodged in there. of course if the nut was fitted under the top mount you'll have to whip shocks off again to check!
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http://www.vwspares.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=781
could be if you used the nut included in the kit to secure the top mount it didnt fit inside the hole in the top mount properly, thius could explain why its all gone rather funny. the slotted nut fits inside the hole in the middle of the top mount neatly so the retaining cup and upper nut fit snugly together with the top mount
undo top nut, remove retaining cup and look at the top mount, you shouldn't have a random nut bodged in there. of course if the nut was fitted under the top mount you'll have to whip shocks off again to check!
Thanks for the link, v useful.
Yes the phrase "you're doing it wrong!!", has been banded about the garage quite alot recently...
However the car is now not starting at all and made me late for work today :evil: Suspecting a dicky starter motor/ solenoid but will investigate further when I get time tonight.
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Right wee update, I hate it when you read a thread and someone asks advice and you never hear what happened.
Sorted starting issue, was a dodgy earth to back of g/box :evil: was contacting and not contacting making it difficult to diagnose but cleaned and tightened starts on the button now.
Sorted top mounts now, ended up only being a 5min job to take off top mount, remove offending nut and nip back up. Only took 5mins but did take and 1hr on the first side as we tried a couple of different ideas and I needed to dash off and buy new tools :grin:. All valuable experience so will be able to do it no probs next time.
Also big ups to the Bad Boy Bobby B for coming out and helping me out when he was clearly dying from an acute case of the death cold. I'll be able to return the favour when he pulls his finger out and buys either a mk2 or E30.... :wink:
Cheers to everybody for their input...