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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Golf mk4 TDI => Topic started by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 08:30

Title: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 08:30
Hi was driving to work this morning and lost all power doesnt matter what gear i change into the turbo doesnt kick in. Any ideas guys? Had a search but nothing seems to come up that matches the issues i am having. seems to be topping out at 50mph and thats struggling
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 08:35
do you have thick black smoke coming from the exhaust?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 10:24
nope. it weird after stopping checking the car over then starting it back up it is working fine for the moment. Duno if this gives anymore ideas?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 10:27
nope. it weird after stopping checking the car over then starting it back up it is working fine for the moment. Duno if this gives anymore ideas?


If you're struggling to get up to speed it could be that your MAF is goosed.  Try unplugging it and see if it runs better

Look at the airbox and follow the big pipe back towards the engine - you'll see the plug approx 6 inches from the airbox :smiley:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 12:33
Ya so if i disconnect that and then go for a drive it should be ok correct? Could anything else cause the issue as no lights or fault codes seem to have been logged. well nothing is set on the dash anyways.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 12:35
if it runs better with the MAF disconnected then you need a new MAF; if no change then its something else

Re-reading your original post it sounds like you've hit limp mode - this cuts the turbo out and it feels like a 1.0 Nova!

Although no lights on the dash you need to get it to someone with VAGCOM or diagnostic scanner who can read the codes for you :afro:

Whereabouts are you?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: A7 UFO on 15 February 2010, 12:38
you beat me to it Rhyso, I'd just typed up the same response.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 12:39
yep thats it. I am junc 18 m6. Whats this limp mode thing caused by? just hope it not guna b a dear repair job :-(
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: A7 UFO on 15 February 2010, 12:44
could be as a result of a number of things...possibly as easy as a boost leak.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 12:46
Mmmm Just seems weird that after i turned the car off then turned it back on again it ran fine and pulled through the gears no problem. How much am i looking at for a scanner? or to get it done by someone,
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 12:47
As A7 UFO has said it could be a number of things

Limp mode =

Faulty N75
Boost leak
Sticking turbo vanes

I've also experienced when a pipe from the exhaust manifold to the EGR broke off and vented gases

Have a poke around your engine bay and the sides of the intercooler at the front to see if you can see anything obvious like a loose / disconnected pipe

There are a couple of people in and around your area i believe who have VAG COM - might be worth getting in contact with them to see if they will help you out for a few beer tokens  :smiley:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 12:49
Any good people to go to? What a N75? Also is sticking turbo vanes time for a new turbo ? sorry so many question i am new to diesels.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: A7 UFO on 15 February 2010, 12:50
where are you based?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 12:51
Cheshire, Junc 18 M6
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 12:52
Any good people to go to? What a N75? Also is sticking turbo vanes time for a new turbo ? sorry so many question i am new to diesels.

it control the position of the turbo vanes via the actuator

not necessarily - you can get a turbo cleaning kit which could help eliminate the problem

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87936.0

Neil (old_No7) lives down the road from you too

Or you could trundle up to Awesome GTI for them to have a look at it - they are in Manchester

Or there is PSI Tuning in Stoke-on-Trent
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 16:28
tried 2 search for that old_No7 but nothing coming up?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 16:30
tried 2 search for that old_No7 but nothing coming up?

PM'd - you need to search under the Members bit  :wink:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 16:34
ya i did and nothing came up :sad: you wrote old_No7 when its old_N07  :grin:
Thanks
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 15 February 2010, 16:37
ya i did and nothing came up :sad: you wrote old_No7 when its old_N07  :grin:
Thanks

 :tongue:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: bobbarley on 15 February 2010, 16:37
do you have thick black smoke coming from the exhaust?

What a stupid question, it's a diesel  :grin:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Steve_PD on 15 February 2010, 18:45
you've most defiantly gone into limp mode. mine used to do when driving down the motorway at 65-70 then the slightest touch of the throttle the turbo would cut out.
used some turbo cleaner and touch wood it hasnt done it since  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 15 February 2010, 22:12
how easy is it and  how much is it to do the turbo cleaning kit? price etc
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 19 February 2010, 13:08
Just used a VAG COM on the car came back with 17965. What is this? e.g. what is it relating to and how do i resolve the issue. e.g. whats parts are effected?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 19 February 2010, 13:15
http://wiki.ross-tech.com/index.php/17965/P1557/005463
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 19 February 2010, 13:17
Cool thanks. Mine doesnt seem to have gone into limp mode since it has happened just wondering wither it was having a dickyfit. Shoulod i just clear the code and see if it happens again?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 25 February 2010, 16:33
well drop the car in the garage today so hopefully i should have a better idea as top what has gone wrong. fingers crossed nothing expensive
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 25 February 2010, 19:31
came back with the following using autodata v3.18. Turbo Charger wastegate regulating valve which is at fault
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Adam on 25 February 2010, 19:32
N75 valve,
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 25 February 2010, 19:36
how much is one of those?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 25 February 2010, 19:38
how much is one of those?

£30 or thereabouts and 2 minutes to change
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 25 February 2010, 19:40
where best 2 get one?? whats the best make? is there a part number?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Adam on 25 February 2010, 19:41
Best place is either TPS or main dealer.

There is only one available and thats the OEM

Part No- 1J0 906 627
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Steve_PD on 25 February 2010, 19:59
dealers £34 IICR
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: nadlad on 25 February 2010, 20:15
do diesels have a n75 valve
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Adam on 25 February 2010, 20:25
do diesels have a n75 valve

Yeah! controls the actuator.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: jeynesey on 25 February 2010, 20:44
do you have thick black smoke coming from the exhaust?

Dont you all have that??  :wink:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: nadlad on 25 February 2010, 22:51
can smell upgrade any performance ones?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Adam on 25 February 2010, 22:54
can smell upgrade any performance ones?

not available or publicised well. You can tap a manual boost controller into the line.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 26 February 2010, 11:01
just called the dealers the valve is 45 quid inc VAT. Now just need to get the oil seal which goes on the extension pipe which screws into the engine.
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 26 February 2010, 11:07
just called the dealers the valve is 45 quid inc VAT. Now just need to get the oil seal which goes on the extension pipe which screws into the engine.

Ouch!! That's gone up by £15 since last year  :sad:
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 26 February 2010, 11:10
gotta remember VAT is now 17.5% and not 15% like it was last year. Any ideas on the oil seal part number?
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: Rhyso on 26 February 2010, 11:14
gotta remember VAT is now 17.5% and not 15% like it was last year. Any ideas on the oil seal part number?

2.5% on a £30 part though is an extra £3.75 not £15!

not sure which pipe you are on about??
Title: Re: GT TDI 150 No POwer
Post by: th3musicmak3r on 26 February 2010, 11:19
On the engine the plastic cover that is on the top which has the TDI logo. Where the cap for the oil filler is. It is an extension pipe to the engine, with a rubber seal on the end. Thats the part i am after.