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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: lowdown on 04 February 2010, 20:06
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I was considering getting this. What's it like?
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Tried using search? This has been covered at length...
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I didn't find anything conclusive. So I better find a demo model to test before I buy.
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I was just thinking about ACC today as I was driving along in my MK6, thinking about when I had it in my Scirocco and hardly used it. It works but really, who needs it? The regular set up of the MK6 feels perfect to me on 18".
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Yeah , plenty of earlier info on this.
My opinion, brilliant - the only true 'must have' option.
And of course.... yes, you must test before you buy. Stupid not to.
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Thanks for the help. One final question, just splitting hairs, does it differ from the Audi magnetic system? the VW tech page implies it's a wholly pneumatic system, yet the MkVI review posted in the sticky section mentions it's magnetic. :nerd:
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I didn't find anything conclusive. So I better find a demo model to test before I buy.
Bingo! :cool:
ACC is marginal at best.
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I test drove the Golf R last night on 19's and found the ride to be great without ACC.
I'm hoping the ACC will give me a bit of a softer ride on the pot hole roads, and firmer when I want to hammer it. I guess without ACC its set up the same as the ACC's middle setting?
Probably a total waste of £800 (or whatever it costs?!), but I feel if I don't have it I'll regret it. Its certainly not going to be retrofitable.
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I test drove the Golf R last night on 19's and found the ride to be great without ACC.
I'm hoping the ACC will give me a bit of a softer ride on the pot hole roads, and firmer when I want to hammer it. I guess without ACC its set up the same as the ACC's middle setting?Probably a total waste of £800 (or whatever it costs?!), but I feel if I don't have it I'll regret it. Its certainly not going to be retrofitable.
ACC's middle setting 'normal' is constantly active so not at all like no ACC.
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I find it difficult to believe people can't tell the difference between the modes, the difference is quite large and passengers can tell with their eyes closed (even 9 yr olds).
It's a real mood thing. Comfort on a rainy Monday morning to work avoiding the potholes, Normal/Sport on a weekend blast.
There is a big difference from my mk5 which had no AAC. Also in case you didn't know it is adaptive and so is constantly changing to suit conditions/driving.
Magnetic or pneumatic - not sure. I was under the impression it was a electronic/magnetic system, could be wrong.
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You can tell but its pretty marginal. I drive about in Comfort everywhere and its not at all sloppy as you'd imagine an old-school comfort orientated Citroen might be. If I'm "pushing on" and have no passengers then Normal or Sport would be my choice. Looking forward to a track day when I can really explore the car more in safety. :evil:
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Thanks for the help. One final question, just splitting hairs, does it differ from the Audi magnetic system? the VW tech page implies it's a wholly pneumatic system, yet the MkVI review posted in the sticky section mentions it's magnetic. :nerd:
It's not the magneto-rheological system used on Audis. The VW system uses variable valving in the damper to increase or reduce resistance to oil flow. This is controlled electronically by computer based on feedback from chassis sensors.
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You can tell, but it's not all that marked in my opinion. I don't find myself suddenly saying, "damn, I'm on the wrong ACC setting!"
Mind you, after the 12-year-old Peugeot, even normal seems like a feather bed. And I haven't driven a Golf without it (apart from a short test drive) to compare.
I specced it because I cart my 93-year-old mother around, and she was complaining bitterly about the Peugeot. I put the Golf in Comfort, and she's perfectly happy and then she falls asleep.
Rolfe.
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You can tell, but it's not all that marked in my opinion. I don't find myself suddenly saying, "damn, I'm on the wrong ACC setting!"
Mind you, after the 12-year-old Peugeot, even normal seems like a feather bed. And I haven't driven a Golf without it (apart from a short test drive) to compare.
I specced it because I cart my 93-year-old mother around, and she was complaining bitterly about the Peugeot. I put the Golf in Comfort, and she's perfectly happy and then she falls asleep.
Rolfe.
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Brilliant comment, as usual.
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Unless you are old enough to lose your senses, you can definitely tell the difference between sport and comfort. In sport mode, the throttle response is slightly sharper and it pick up a bit more minor road imperfections than comfort mode. The beauty of this subtle difference is that you can still use the sport mode on a normal road if you are in the mood. Unlike other electronic suspension such as the Porsche PASM or M5, sport mode=bone jarring ride!
I drive to work everyday in comfort mode. I use the sport mode only if I had a bad day at work or I am up against something like a Type R or ST!
The downside I suspect is that the sport mode is a bit too soft for trackdays!
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I have driven a few with it now and it seems that you need a good few thousand miles on the car to be able to notice the difference between levels. I guess it takes the dampers time to ware in.
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I have driven a few with it now and it seems that you need a good few thousand miles on the car to be able to notice the difference between levels. I guess it takes the dampers time to ware in.
+1
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Hi.
Key is for you to try two gti's one with acc and one without. Also you need to take each are out for a couple of hours to try properly.
In the end everyone has their own thoughts on acc and if they can tell the difference or if it's worth it for a small difference in comfort etc. Check out some of the posts I've done which includes a poll asking who's spec'd ACC or not.
I went through the same as I couldn't tell any real difference with ACC in comfort mode, and then a car without ACC, the normal GTI was excellent anyway so didn't think it was worth it. However others did, so in the end, it's a simple one to answer - it's key for you to try yourself!
The cash saved almost covered the cost of a sunroof and a RCD510.
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I was considering getting this. What's it like?
On the test drive, I found 'comfort' great over the potholes on London streets.
Car seemed more relaxed.
So I ordered mine with ACC.
My build week has been confirmed now. It is 9.
It is a Tornado Red 5 door GTi with 18" wheels, ACC, Winter Pack, Luxury Pack, Front and Rear Parking Sensors, Cloth, £250 for 3 year Service. Got a good deal.
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Yeah , plenty of earlier info on this.
My opinion, brilliant - the only true 'must have' option.
And of course.... yes, you must test before you buy. Stupid not to.
A 'must have' option if you live in pot-holed central London.
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Yeah , plenty of earlier info on this.
My opinion, brilliant - the only true 'must have' option.
And of course.... yes, you must test before you buy. Stupid not to.
A 'must have' option if you live in pot-holed central London.
a must have option in pothole UK not just London :nerd:
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A 'must have' option if you live in pot-holed central London.
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a must have option in pothole UK not just London :nerd:
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You are so right. Forgot for a moment about the rest of the country!
I still feel central London probably has the worst roads in the country.
Booski: your 19" wheels are going to take a bit of hammering.
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A 'must have' option if you live in pot-holed central London.
a must have option in pothole UK not just London :nerd:
You are so right. Forgot for a moment about the rest of the country!
I still feel central London probably has the worst roads in the country.
Booski: your 19" wheels are going to take a bit of hammering.
You need to get out of London more. :evil: I have just come back from down there and those roads are nothing compared to the forgotton about far north of England, you know the place you guys think is Scotland :tongue:
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A 'must have' option if you live in pot-holed central London.
a must have option in pothole UK not just London :nerd:
You are so right. Forgot for a moment about the rest of the country!
I still feel central London probably has the worst roads in the country.
Booski: your 19" wheels are going to take a bit of hammering.
You need to get out of London more. :evil: I have just come back from down there and those roads are nothing compared to the forgotton about far north of England, you know the place you guys think is Scotland :tongue:
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True. Should start checking out the rest of the country again.
Will do once I get my GTi. Build week 9, confirmed.
My present car is a Honda Type R GT. Ride is as hard as a corpse on Viagra.
When does your car arrive?
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am1w
I am getting an update on the 1st of March at the latest to the status of my order. I was told by VWcs the same delivery time as yourself (2nd or 3rd week of March) but i expect it maybe a bit earlier due to my build week starting Monday :smiley:. I think VW maybe just giving the dealer more time to get through the large amount of cars they may have to PDI for early March delivery already.
Im not that bothered if truth be told as i may garage it anyway till the bad weathers over :evil: and i would rather the dealer took their time and PDI'd the car correctly than rush it out the door as i know they do this time of year.
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am1w
I am getting an update on the 1st of March at the latest to the status of my order. I was told by VWcs the same delivery time as yourself (2nd or 3rd week of March) but i expect it maybe a bit earlier due to my build week starting tomorrow :smiley:. I think VW maybe just giving the dealer more time to get through the large amount of cars they may have to PDI for early March delivery already.
Im not that bothered if truth be told as i may garage it anyway till the bad weathers over :evil: and i would rather the dealer took their time and PDI'd the car correctly than rush it out the door as i know they do this time of year.
Yes, the dreaded PDI.
Hope your weather improves. I hate snow.
By the way, get your paintwork protected by Toughseal.
Did some extensive research on this and it seems Toughseal is the best paint protection available.
Any suggestions?
Link below:-
http://www.splashgroup.co.uk/
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Roads in wales- Hmmmmm NICE!
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am1w
I am getting an update on the 1st of March at the latest to the status of my order. I was told by VWcs the same delivery time as yourself (2nd or 3rd week of March) but i expect it maybe a bit earlier due to my build week starting tomorrow :smiley:. I think VW maybe just giving the dealer more time to get through the large amount of cars they may have to PDI for early March delivery already.
Im not that bothered if truth be told as i may garage it anyway till the bad weathers over :evil: and i would rather the dealer took their time and PDI'd the car correctly than rush it out the door as i know they do this time of year.
Yes, the dreaded PDI.
Hope your weather improves. I hate snow.
By the way, get your paintwork protected by Toughseal.
Did some extensive research on this and it seems Toughseal is the best paint protection available.
Any suggestions?
Link below:-
http://www.splashgroup.co.uk/
have you got shares in tough seal? :laugh:
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have you got shares in tough seal? :laugh:
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Steve:
How could you ever think that. Now I am really upset!
By the way, Toughseal are part of the Eurochem Group.
Maybe we should buy some shares in Eurochem together! :laugh: :wink:
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have you got shares in tough seal? :laugh:
Steve:
How could you ever think that. Now I am really upset!
By the way, Toughseal are part of the Eurochem Group.
Maybe we should buy some shares in Eurochem together! :laugh: :wink:
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Sorry mate just couldn't resit it enjoy Steve
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Steve and Snoopy:
Just realised we have gone way off course.
Were we not discussing Adaptive suspension?
Both of you are a bad influence on me!
I have lost my way due to your very interesting posts. :wink: :laugh:
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My views on ACC is it is probably a useful option if you are going to have large dia alloy.
I nearly went for it myself. The only reason i ruled it out for me in the end was i will be keeping this car ~10 years or more(if i ever get it!) and the extra cost of the replacment suspension components put me off after researching the tec and how it works.
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My views on ACC is it is probably a useful option if you are going to have large dia alloy.
I nearly went for it myself. The only reason i ruled it out for me in the end was i will be keeping this car ~10 years or more(if i ever get it!) and the extra cost of the replacment suspension components put me off after researching the tec and how it works.
I can understand your reasons.
I will get rid of the car in 3 years and probably take Public Transport. We are going to be so poor in this country that having a car would probably be considered very vulgar. :laugh:
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The simplicity of a standard setup will no doubt be a winner over the long term. DIYers can get stuck in :nerd:
Regarding future prospects for the economy, FT's recovery watch this weekend reports the Motor Industry predicting the worst year ever for 2 decades-ouch :shocked:
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The simplicity of a standard setup will no doubt be a winner over the long term. DIYers can get stuck in :nerd:
Regarding future prospects for the economy, FT's recovery watch this weekend reports the Motor Industry predicting the worst year ever for 2 decades-ouch :shocked:
Maybe, I should remove the ACC from the options and a get a sunroof (cheaper) instead?
I think it maybe too late to make this change.
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My views on ACC is it is probably a useful option if you are going to have large dia alloy.
I nearly went for it myself. The only reason i ruled it out for me in the end was i will be keeping this car ~10 years or more(if i ever get it!) and the extra cost of the replacment suspension components put me off after researching the tec and how it works.
So after the researching, what did you learn to put you off? I've opted of ACC and am interested to know if you read anything negiative, or is it just the fear of the new that stopped you opting in. I'm expecting good things from the suspension and almost getting excited with only a few weeks til pick up.
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I don't think there's anything particularly negative about ACC except it's like anything computer controlled - i.e. far more complex than a simple mechanical system. Without ACC all you have to worry about is your shock absorbers wearing out. With ACC not only are they more complex electro-mechanical items, and therefore far more costly to replace, but you also have various sensors around the car and an ECU which all have the potential to go wrong.
DSG, ABS, ESP, haldex differential, engine management, etc - as the car ages it's all more likely to go wrong and when it does, can be expensive to fix.
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So after the researching, what did you learn to put you off? I've opted of ACC and am interested to know if you read anything negiative, or is it just the fear of the new that stopped you opting in. I'm expecting good things from the suspension and almost getting excited with only a few weeks til pick up.
Complexity is what put me off. I have a background in mechanical and also electronic design and i know which i trust the most :wink:
Im going by memory so i will prob get this very wrong as it was about 5 months back!
Each strut has a CANbus interface. Each strut has a sensor, each suspension arm has a sensor, the car has a tilt sensor, a YAW sensor, the steering position has a sensor. They are all linked into a suspension control unit that control the damper valves. etc Great when it all works and has good contacts and is newish but.
The questions starts when something gives incorrect signals, corroded connectors, etc the costs may mount up or if a strut goes or wares out or goes soft do you have to replace all the struts? or in axel pairs? in diagonal pairs? Need coding and programmed in? How many different versions of the strut is there? and many more Qs?. There was too many questions so i decided to not bother with it.
I don't think there's anything particularly negative about ACC except it's like anything computer controlled - i.e. far more complex than a simple mechanical system. Without ACC all you have to worry about is your shock absorbers wearing out. With ACC not only are they more complex electro-mechanical items, and therefore far more costly to replace, but you also have various sensors around the car and an ECU which all have the potential to go wrong.
Exactly what i ment.
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So after the researching, what did you learn to put you off? I've opted of ACC and am interested to know if you read anything negiative, or is it just the fear of the new that stopped you opting in. I'm expecting good things from the suspension and almost getting excited with only a few weeks til pick up.
Complexity is what put me off. I have a background in mechanical and also electronic design and i know which i trust the most :wink:
Im going by memory so i will prob get this very wrong as it was about 5 months back!
Each strut has a CANbus interface. Each strut has a sensor, each suspension arm has a sensor, the car has a tilt sensor, a YAW sensor, the steering position has a sensor. They are all linked into a suspension control unit that control the damper valves. etc Great when it all works and has good contacts and is newish but.
The questions starts when something gives incorrect signals, corroded connectors, etc the costs may mount up or if a strut goes or wares out or goes soft do you have to replace all the struts? or in axel pairs? in diagonal pairs? Need coding and programmed in? How many different versions of the strut is there? and many more Qs?. There was too many questions so i decided to not bother with it.
I don't think there's anything particularly negative about ACC except it's like anything computer controlled - i.e. far more complex than a simple mechanical system. Without ACC all you have to worry about is your shock absorbers wearing out. With ACC not only are they more complex electro-mechanical items, and therefore far more costly to replace, but you also have various sensors around the car and an ECU which all have the potential to go wrong.
Exactly what i ment.
I give up! I'll see if I have time tomorrow to call the dealership. Don't want to give them an excuse to delay the build week.
When I test drove the GTi, I did notice an improvement in 'comfort' mode.
Keep you posted.
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
Thanks Snoopy.
It is good you made me think about the complexity of the system. It is a very valid reason not to option ACC.
Great to have you as a member helping and informing us. :smiley:
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This technology has been around for years on cars lke the S_Class, the Golf is the first in class to have it.
Although I accept there is more to go wrong with ACC, compared to without, cost and repair is a valid reason not to choose ACC, not realiability though. With the roads the way they are round my way at the moment ACC or no ACC I in for a bumpy ride.
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If you're worried about high tech components on a car, you might as well not bother with a car and buy a pedal bike.
Got to put some trust into a manufacturer to do a decent level of testing. But then again I only do about 6-7k miles pa, so a pretty light user.
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You might want to have a look at the latest bikes mate, electronically controlled gear and suspension systems, single sided suspension forks and carbon fibre frames weighing less than a kilo....
As for the ACC, had it, don't have it now, don't miss it. Would I have it as a free option? Yes because I don't keep my cars for long.
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Got to put some trust into a manufacturer to do a decent level of testing.
You should go and say that to a Toyota owner... :grin:
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Is ACC related to Audi's DRC?
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Is ACC related to Audi's DRC?
No. Audi's Dynamic Ride Control uses some sort of pressurised hydraulic system to interlink the dampers. VW's Dynamic Chassis Control uses electro-mechanical valving controlled by an ECU. As mentioned earlier, it is not the same as the Audi Magnetic Ride either.
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Test drove ACC/18" combination
Very noticeable
Prob less if 17" maybe
Cheap option really. :rolleyes:
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
Snoopy:
Hi.
Spoke to the dealer.
Cannot change the specification.
Would have to start as a new order again.
Drove a friend's car with ACC today.
Thank goodness, it works!
Build week 9 confirmed - for now!
Will check with the dealer every Tuesday and Thursday.
I am such a trusting person! :wink:
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
Snoopy:
Hi.
Spoke to the dealer.
Cannot change the specification.
Would have to start as a new order again.
Drove a friend's car with ACC today.
Thank goodness, it works!
Build week 9 confirmed - for now!
Will check with the dealer every Tuesday and Thursday.
I am such a trusting person! :wink:
which dealer is this then, talking crap :angry: Hope your well mate Steve
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
Snoopy:
Hi.
Spoke to the dealer.
Cannot change the specification.
Would have to start as a new order again.
Drove a friend's car with ACC today.
Thank goodness, it works!
Build week 9 confirmed - for now!
Will check with the dealer every Tuesday and Thursday.
I am such a trusting person! :wink:
which dealer is this then, talking crap :angry: Hope your well mate Steve
Steve:
Hi again!
Just did not have the time or energy to argue with them.
Anyway, I like the ACC .
Deal done.
RIP for now! :wink: :smiley: :laugh:
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Nothing wrong with it if you have speced it, i just felt it was not for me.
Snoopy:
Hi.
Spoke to the dealer.
Cannot change the specification.
Would have to start as a new order again.
Drove a friend's car with ACC today.
Thank goodness, it works!
Build week 9 confirmed - for now!
Will check with the dealer every Tuesday and Thursday.
I am such a trusting person! :wink:
which dealer is this then, talking crap :angry: Hope your well mate Steve
Steve:
Hi again!
Just did not have the time or energy to argue with them.
Anyway, I like the ACC .
Deal done.
RIP for now! :wink: :smiley: :laugh:
ACC is execllent very smooth just get it!!
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As i said nothing wrong with ACC, so if you have speced it don't worry.
As others have said the cars full of sensors and signals to go wrong.
My coments are simply my mechanical side overpowering my electronic side :evil:
Oh and the mercs suspension coment, merc suspension is not that reliable as an example the one on autocars(iirc) fleet has in resent weeks gone faulty :grin:
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As i said nothing wrong with ACC, so if you have speced it don't worry.
As others have said the cars full of sensors and signals to go wrong.
My coments are simply my mechanical side overpowering my electronic side :evil:
Oh and the mercs suspension coment, merc suspension is not that reliable as an example the one on autocars(iirc) fleet has in resent weeks gone faulty :grin:
Hope mine will be trouble-free for 3 years.
My mechanical side has always overpowered my electronic side, whether analogue or digital. :laugh: