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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: zdebx on 22 January 2010, 17:39
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The problem is that K&N doesn't make 57i induction kit for a 1.8 (no idea why...), but I really want to buy one :undecided:
So what I'm thinking to do is get the kit for a 1.4-1.6. Just want to make sure that everything will be ok? I mean, what's the difference? It's just a bloddy air filter, right?
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I will say it first...don't get an induction kit
panel filter f.t.w (with a drilled/smoothed airbox)
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I will say it first...don't get an induction kit
panel filter f.t.w (with a drilled/smoothed airbox)
I like the whistle sound too much :laugh:
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I will say it first...don't get an induction kit
panel filter f.t.w (with a drilled/smoothed airbox)
I like the whistle sound too much :laugh:
whistle? :huh: if you mean induction roar/rasp then drilling/cutting the airboxsounds exactly the same
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I will say it first...don't get an induction kit
panel filter f.t.w (with a drilled/smoothed airbox)
I like the whistle sound too much :laugh:
whistle? :huh: if you mean induction roar/rasp then drilling/cutting the airboxsounds exactly the same
Then what's the difference if I get the kit? Except the looks, obviously.
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I will say it first...don't get an induction kit
panel filter f.t.w (with a drilled/smoothed airbox)
I like the whistle sound too much :laugh:
whistle? :huh: if you mean induction roar/rasp then drilling/cutting the airboxsounds exactly the same
Then what's the difference if I get the kit? Except the looks, obviously.
the eposed cone filter will suffer more heat soak from the engine.
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But will it actually fit and work properly, if I get the one for 1.4/1.6?
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But will it actually fit and work properly, if I get the one for 1.4/1.6?
There's 2 different air boxes fitted to the spi car's and I'm fairly sure most 1.4/1.6 have an old style pancake filter around the top of the spi unit where the 1.8 uses the same square (o/s wing) filter as the 2.0
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Don't bother, also m1.4 and 1.6 I am sure will be different.
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What about if I get the GTI one then? :shocked:
Here's my airbox:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3357/3209528209_efbf57dc59.jpg)
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panel filter and drill some holes wing side, remove and bits of usless plastic from air box, will sound just as good as cone filter, ull keep your fuel economy and u hant gotta fidle around trying to mount stuff. its all about the noise at the end of the day
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panel filter and drill some holes wing side, remove and bits of usless plastic from air box, will sound just as good as cone filter, ull keep your fuel economy and u hant gotta fidle around trying to mount stuff. its all about the noise at the end of the day
agreed. with that engine its more hassle than its worth fitting an induction kit.
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that is the 1.8 single point jobby right??
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just drill the air box and stick a panel filter in there. I'm tired of telling people this! Unless you live in a seriously cold country or you have an excellent heat shield (I'm talking expensive stuff or custom jobbys) then you will loose more than gain, and in a 1.8 you can't afford to loose much tbh....Just buy a K&N or pipercross (pipercross in my opinion) panel filter, remove any restrictive bits of plastic in the air box and the trumpets on the inside of it then drill some holes or a section out of the lower air box half from the front, wing side and rear of it, not the engine side of it! Now that set up will make a positive difference and it will also work out cheaper than buying a cone filter.
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
Didn't he also cut out the strips at the top? :laugh:
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and if you want more noise, just add one of those stainless roar pipes or watever they call them, makes the bay look nicer aswell, not entirely sure if they serve any good purpose other than asthetics and noise but were not exactly talking vr6 turbo 4 billion bhp stuff here
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
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Early 1.4s had the old round air filters, they won't fit yours.
Later 1.4's had a similar set up to the 1.8.
Later 1.8s have the same induction set up as the 2.0 8V minus the MAF.
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
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Early 1.4s had the old round air filters, they won't fit yours.
Later 1.4's had a similar set up to the 1.8.
Later 1.8s have the same induction set up as the 2.0 8V minus the MAF.
noooo ur only encouraging to buy ann induction kit now, cant have the mk3s any worse than they need to be lol
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Wouldn't bother, I don't agree they do anything at all anyway, unless positioned at the very front of the car under the bumper, which is useless for road driving.
Manufacturers spent thousands of pounds developing that airbox for your specific car, those universal jobbies ruin that.
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Wouldn't bother, I don't agree they do anything at all anyway, unless positioned at the very front of the car under the bumper, which is useless for road driving.
Manufacturers spent thousands of pounds developing that airbox for your specific car, those universal jobbies ruin that.
u have a point, but they developed the air box with, economy, noise reduction, mass production and cheap production in mind, performance was probably the last thing on vws mind when making this paticular engine
and i am aware that im probably contradicting everything i said before about keeping the standard air box, but i do feel i should stick up for cone filters as long as they are applied correctly, which is pretty much what guesswho just said, so im gonna shut up up now and return to the mk2 board before i get run over by a fat mk3 :laugh: :laugh:
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True yes, noise, economy, but stock cars never run/idle as smooth as they did with cones.
Especially as the cone is next to the exhaust manifold.
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i assume you mean they dont run as smooth with a cone, this is usually cos you end up loosing all your little vacuum pipes when u remove your airbox, cold starts are always a b!tch
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That and the car was designed to have the smaller bore of the stock box. :) Which yes is restrictive, but that's how the ECU likes it.
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screw the ecu, we want as much cold air as possible, so gut the box, drill some holes, high flow panel filter, all as said before, job a gooden :grin:
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Screw the thing that controls all such things? :rolleyes:
If you do all those mods and have the ECU mapped to suit, it would be efficient and quicker, otherwise the ECU is always trying to adjust to suit.
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Alright, alright, you convinced me to mod the original airbox :)
Will probably get one from a scrappy, before doing any "experiments" on my one lol
Some people say, drill holes, but isn't it better to just cut a small piece on the wing side, instead of "swese cheesing"?
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Alright, alright, you convinced me to mod the original airbox :)
Will probably get one from a scrappy, before doing any "experiments" on my one lol
Some people say, drill holes, but isn't it better to just cut a small piece on the wing side, instead of "swese cheesing"?
Tis what I did. I have a combination of cut out sections and holes.
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
One of the mk3 forum moderators did this................And it wasnt BB. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
One of the mk3 forum moderators did this................And it wasnt BB. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
:laugh:
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"Have I done it right"
*Pause* Palm face moment.
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
One of the mk3 forum moderators did this................And it wasnt BB. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Can i have a guess who it was :grin: :laugh: :grin: :laugh:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/boneybradley/search3.gif)
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
One of the mk3 forum moderators did this................And it wasnt BB. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Can i have a guess who it was :grin: :laugh: :grin: :laugh:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/boneybradley/search3.gif)
Winner!
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
One of the mk3 forum moderators did this................And it wasnt BB. :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Can i have a guess who it was :grin: :laugh: :grin: :laugh:
(http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k165/boneybradley/search3.gif)
the forum hillybilly :grin:
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everything should be declared now as insurance co's are getting wise to any non standard mod's... (blame he recession as company's aren't making as much money! and it's common knowledge about undeclared mod's...)
True, it's amazing what things you don't think of.
Even Halfords "Quick Response" bulbs should technically be declared, as they aren't OEM spec. LED bulbs, interior light changes, seats, carpets, badge colour, grills the lot. I suppose even non standard tyres should be declared.
Better safe then sorry. :)
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Even Halfords "Quick Response" bulbs should technically be declared, as they aren't OEM spec. LED bulbs, interior light changes, seats, carpets, badge colour, grills the lot. I suppose even non standard tyres should be declared.
Better safe then sorry. :)
t.b.h it depends on the type approval....(all will have ec approval stamps on them and this is what an insurer could use!)
and with tyres if you had o.e spec vr rated tyres and fitted hr rated then yes you would need to declare them as they would be under the original vehicle type approval regulations
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I'm soooooo tempted to do this tomorrow on my own airbox, without waiting next Saturday to go to scrappy :rolleyes:
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I'm soooooo tempted to do this tomorrow on my own airbox, without waiting next Saturday to go to scrappy :rolleyes:
you can't really go wrong unless you do a "shady"
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May put a future buyer off though. Your earlier idea of getting one from the scrappy is a good un. Keep the original for when/if you sell.
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Not planning to sell it in the near future, and I don't think a new buyer will mind that beautiful sound :kiss:
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And for the love of god don't do what somebody on Edition38 did and drill holes in the top of the airbox.. pmsl!!!!!!
:laugh:
Early 1.4s had the old round air filters, they won't fit yours.
Later 1.4's had a similar set up to the 1.8.
Later 1.8s have the same induction set up as the 2.0 8V minus the MAF.
Going back to this one moment (I've been in Essex since 2pm so just reading new replies now I'm home..)
I'm guessing you've never looked under the bonnet of a 1996> Mk3 1.4?
From 1996 onwards they were multi point fuel injected and guess what... the air filter was a round one in an airbox that sat on top of the engine
It was only the ABD engine (spi) that had the rectangle air filter box in the same places as the 1.8/TD/TDI/GTI/VR6
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Well my '92 1.4 has a round airbox dude.
Fairly sure that's ABD too, but I'll have to check the book.
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If it helps, my 1.25 has a air filter on the top of the engine.
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If it helps, my 1.25 has a air filter on the top of the engine.
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If it helps, my 1.25 has a air filter on the top of the engine.
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Fitted my cone filter today, and it sounded exactly the same (if not worse), as the original air box, LOL
Removed it, and put the original one back in place. Will probably modify it later to see how it sounds....
By the way, everyone's saying that cone filters suck in hot air from the engine, but what about if you extend the pipe right to the offside fender, where is the original box's pipe that sucks the air?
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Fitted my cone filter today, and it sounded exactly the same (if not worse), as the original air box, LOL
Removed it, and put the original one back in place. Will probably modify it later to see how it sounds....
By the way, everyone's saying that cone filters suck in hot air from the engine, but what about if you extend the pipe right to the offside fender, where is the original box's pipe that sucks the air?
thats not entirely true, at a standstill and very low traffic speeds, yes ure gonna be sucking in warmer air from the bay, keeping the cone well away from anything warm will help this, and a cold air feed from behind the lights or the grill or even lower down towards the valence will definatly help (be sure that the filter doesnt come into contact with any water though), but when your up to speed all the warm air gets rushed out of the bay pretty quickly, but still were only talking a 1 or 2 bhp increase here if that, iv seen test carried out on dynos where the standard air box and filter performed better than cones it all depends. but the drilled air box and panel filter is definatly the option id go with uinless ure wanting to spend big money on a proper insulated cold air intake. but still, do wat ever your happy with, its your car, were all here for advice and guidness, not to tell you what too do