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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Neil gti on 15 January 2010, 17:33
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Been searching the net for some Vredesteins but can't find anywhere with stock ? any ideas :undecided: 225-40-18s
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m11b423s1316p5854&tbv=VREDESTEIN_TYRES_/_WINTER_SNOW_CAR_/_VREDESTEIN_WINTRAC_XTREME_-_225/40R18_92W_XL_TL_Winter_Tyres_-_Snow_Tyres_-_Mud_and_Snow_Tyres_-_M&S_Tyres_-_Town_&_Country_Tyres_R18_-_225/40/18,_225/40_R_18
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Have you tried mytyres.co.uk?
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Have you tried mytyres.co.uk?
yes tried them and no joy, Thanx :undecided:
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http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/vw-golf-gti-forum/123745-gti-vredestein-wintrac-extremes.html
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They give a pretty good right up on there Snoopy, that has made my mind up now, so will keep looking :wink: :wink:
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Have you tried mytyres.co.uk?
Mytyres have taken the order online but mentions that if no stock money will be refunded, so will have to wait til tomorrow to see,
Thanx Mac :wink:
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Just had an email back from Mytyres and i went online to track delivery, they where picked up from Lehrte in Germany at 5.10 today,
so looks like not a lot of stock in this country for Vredesteins :smiley:
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Just had an email back from Mytyres and i went online to track delivery, they where picked up from Lehrte in Germany at 5.10 today,
so looks like not a lot of stock in this country for Vredesteins :smiley:
Hope you get them before Wednesday - snow's supposed to be coming back...
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How long (time-wise) do tyres last before the rubber perishes? One argument against winter tyres I saw was that they might perish before you wore them out.
The other was that they're meant to be used at below 7C and winter is generally above that in Britain. I'd like to invite the writer of that to spend a winter around here.
Preferably in a tent.
Rolfe.
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How long (time-wise) do tyres last before the rubber perishes? One argument against winter tyres I saw was that they might perish before you wore them out.
They should last 5 years if you keep them covered when not in use - UV is one of the biggest problems for rubber.
The other was that they're meant to be used at below 7C and winter is generally above that in Britain.
The amount of silica in the tread compounds is optimised for below 7C but they won't fall off the road on warmer days. They might wear a little more quickly though.
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The problem with supply isn't the choice of tyre, but the reluctance for the UK to use winter tyres. Blackcircles do not supply ANY winter tyres, full stop !
Winter tyres used over 7'C do wear more quickly and can be a bit mushy in steering response. Overall, you wont get the same mileage from a set of winters as summer tyres but if you are sensible with your sizing of the winter wheels the cost of the tyres comes down to more palatable level, and you can actually save money on tyres over the longer term. Eg 17" winter tyre typically £160, 16" £120, 15" £85. You might need 17s to clear the brakes as a minimum.
The problem is people do not realise how bad their summer tyres are below 5'C and certainly below 0'C even on dry roads. Throw in snow and ice and there is no contest. Not helping the matter is that UK tyre retailers associate winter tyres as M+S or snow tryes, which they are neither necessarily. I actaully saw 8'C on the temp gauge yesterday, the first time i've seen that figure since October. So in the last 80 or so days i make it one or 2 days where winter tyres are not the better choice.
The bigger issue is because its not UK law, there is no system in place for winter tyres. On the continent cars can often supplied with both sets of wheels and dealerships offer safe storgae of summer/winter wheels for customers, often FOC. Us Brits are left to buy are own, and try to store our own.
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Yes i think people need educating on winter tyres,
Because we buy a good brand tyre for say £150 each, we think it is the best on the market and it will grip regardless of weather etc,
Until we had this recent spate of bad weather i didnt realise how bad these tyres are below 7 degrees, the F1 Assymetrics that i bought are like driving on slicks in the rain :sad:
i think i left it a bit late to get these as the weather seams to be getting a bit better now ? but i fit them or not i will have them come bad weather again :wink:
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if you believe the forecast i've got a nice early drive up Wales in snow tomorrow :undecided: :sad:
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New tyres turned up this morning, will get them fitted to R32 wheels prob tomorrow and see how the weather goes next few days and see if to fit to the car or not?
Or might fit them anyway to see what the mk6 looks like withR32 wheels and of course with pics :laugh:
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Or might fit them anyway to see what the mk6 looks like withR32 wheels and of course with pics :laugh:
please :drool:
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We went skiing just before xmas, got a lift to the airport off a m8 & very nearly didn't make it, he was all over the place, and there wasn't even that much snow & ice. Eventually we made it to milan & its snowing hard, taxi driver pigeon's the immortal words "snow tyre" & off we went with no bother whatsoever, most of the way uphill :cool: Whats more, we didn't see a single accident or abandoned vehicle, would have been very different back here! After sliding around merrily in an R32 on normal tyres once we got home, I'm convinced these things are a damn fine idea!
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I'm really coming round to the idea. Quite honestly, we're not above 7C that much even in an ordinary winter. And this last month has been no joke.
Even on Tuesday, with clear roads, I was in trouble - and not alone. There had been a hard frost, the roads were icy, and a lot of them had not been gritted. Before I left home, the radio was listing several roads closed due to accidents, including my road to work. I had to strike out across country to get to another main road going in the right direction, and I had to crawl. Going up a hill, even aware of the problem and driving as carefully as I could, the dashboard indicator for skidding tyres came on. Maye I should have had the AutoSocks on, I don't know.
I was especially cautious because nearly three years ago, one March morning, I did actually spin right off the road in similar conditions. I was incredibly lucky, because the Peugeot didn't hit anything, just crossed a kerb and a footpath and came to rest on a patch of rough grass. No damage. But it could have been so different.
We haven't seen 7C for many weeks. We might not see it for many more. What are we doing here? I didn't even know there was such a thing as winter tyres until I came on this forum, and I've been driving nearly 40 years. Although I admit 25 of these were in the south of England, many of my early memories, even before I could drive, involve digging car wheels out of snow, and (soon after I passed my test) spinning my Dad's car off the road in unfamiliar snow.
So tell me someone, do you actually need a different set of wheels, or can you just put the tyres on the existing wheels? I have the 17s by the way.
Rolfe.
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I'm pretty sure you need new wheels, tho someone may come on and contradict me.
I believe you need 16 or less for winter wheels, probably wrong :grin:
Autosocks were mentioned in Autoexpress as quite good, but too pricey and nowhere near as good as chains.
Gizzy
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You can use the same wheels but it gets costly year after year getting someone to swop tyres. It is much easier to get a second set you can swop over.
Theres a few reasons its worse nowadays than back in the days we remember.
These are
Horse power+torque increases.
Weight has gone up
less feel in the steering wheel.
tyre treads have been more focused on certain condition
Tyre compond again is more focused.
But the main one is tyre width has shot up. Most hot hatches had max of around 185mm or 195mm or like the mk1 GTI 175mm, exec cars had max 185's thats smaller than the size on a 1.0 shopping cars nowadays :grin:
An original old style mini for example is great in the snow as it has only 145 tyres low power and torque but also low weight.
What VW list on the German configurator for winter for the mk6 GTI is as follows
Räder / Reifen - Winterräder (zusätzlich) *
Winterräder (zusätzlich) 4 Stahlräder 6 J x 16 Winterreifen 205/55 R 16
In google english
Wheels / Tires - additional winter wheels (*
Winter wheels (additional) 4 steel wheels 6 J x 16 winter tires 205/55 R 16
510 euro.
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I'm pretty sure you need new wheels, tho someone may come on and contradict me.
I believe you need 16 or less for winter wheels, probably wrong :grin:
Autosocks were mentioned in Autoexpress as quite good, but too pricey and nowhere near as good as chains.
Gizzy
Spare wheels save lots of hassle.
A cheap set of OEM Mk5 17" wheels can be had new, off eBay for £300ish...then add slightly narrower winter tyres. Job done.
You can go to 16" with higher profile tyres to offer more protection for the wheel/suspension - a good idea - but those with big brake upgrades will suffer, and need to stick to 17" or even 18".
The size isn't as important as the compound.
I run some 195/45/16s on my Fabia vRS and it's epic in the snow, even on a wide (for the size of car) and low profile tyre.
You could happily run 225/40/18 winter tyres on a GTI.
Although, a narrower tyre (say 205) on a 17" wheel will probably do a better job and offer more protection.
My old man's Mk5 runs 205/55/16 winter tyres - 225/45/17s in summer.
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(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/steels.jpg)
Or the option 17 winter alloys wheels. (notice they are not as wide as the monzas)
(http://www.volkswagen-zubehoer.de/shop/images/product_images/popup_images/1K0073637FD8Z8.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/merwheel.jpg)
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I'm really coming round to the idea. Quite honestly, we're not above 7C that much even in an ordinary winter. And this last month has been no joke.
So tell me someone, do you actually need a different set of wheels, or can you just put the tyres on the existing wheels? I have the 17s by the way.
Rolfe.
If you just buy the tyres then 225/45/17 winter tyres are £160-£180ea fitted for the better known brands, and not a lot cheaper for Korean stuff. Then you're faced with £10-£12ea to refit the summer tyres again, and another £10-£12ea to go back to winter. So between now and December you'd be shelling out £200/corner for tyre swapping.
For that same £800 you could buy the winter tyre set up from VW (anyone know what the UK price is ?) , or a set of used 16" MkV alloys off ebay for £200 and buy 205/55/16 winter tyres at £110each fitted (total £640).
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It would be interesting to know the price of a set of the steel wheels 8P0601027091 and wheel bolts i think they are 8D0601139D
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Percy, sweetheart, what makes you assume I would change the wheels myself? :kiss:
Rolfe.
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Percy, sweetheart, what makes you assume I would change the wheels myself? :kiss:
Rolfe.
I didnt - but there's less gentlemen these days :wink: :wink:
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Well seen as the worst of the Winter weather seemed to be over i thought my recently purchased Vredsteins were to be stuck in the garage ?
But hey presto the snow and sh-tty weather seems to be back so i decided to fit the winter wheels,
The difference between them is like night and day, the grip from the Vredsteins is miles better than F1s and you actually go into corners and under braking with so much more confidence.
Never really messed about changing tyres to suit road conditions as i have always been under the impression that a good tyre is about the best grip your gonna get on ice and snow etc. so you tend to make do, i would definatley recommend to others the difference is unreal, :shocked:
Not really happy with the silver R32 alloys on the Mk6 thou :sad:
Also fitted front mudflaps while the wheels were off, to stop the stones etc flying down the side of the car
No not got any pics of it yet and plus internet down at home :cry: writing this from work
Quick pic off phone :undecided:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/GetAttachment.jpg)
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Not really happy with the silver R32 alloys on the Mk6 thou :sad:
I think i like them. :smiley:
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Not really happy with the silver R32 alloys on the Mk6 thou :sad:
I think i like them. :smiley:
Grey ones were much better :cool:
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I think when the Vwr alloys go back on when the weather gets a bit better,
The R32 alloys are in need of a makeover :smug: Gunmetal grey me thinks ?
To much silver and blingy for me, but they will do for the noo,
Well impressed with Vredstein Wintracs, might even try there summer tyres when the F1s are worn down :rolleyes:
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I heard a radio announcement yesterday that a certain road was "only open to 4x4s".
Are 4x4s really that much of an advantage? How do they compare with a front-wheel-drive wearing winter tyres?
Would it be more sensible to highlight the advantages of winter tyres rather than 4-wheel-drive in announcements like that? This was in the north of Scotland, so it's not as if they're likely to get prolonged periods over 7C most winters.
It really feels warmer here, there was a definite thaw during the night, but the temperature was still only reading 4.5C this morning.
Rolfe.
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How do they compare with a front-wheel-drive wearing winter tyres?
Would it be more sensible to highlight the advantages of winter tyres rather than 4-wheel-drive in announcements like that?
Rolfe.
Good point that Rolfe,
I think this government needs to educate people on these matters,
Even our works 4x4 Navara isn't that good in the snow due to normal road tyres and not off road type tyres :undecided:
Winter tyres have a definate advantage over summer tyres in this weather
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I think this government needs to educate people on these matters
Our government is so convinced that in the future we'll be taking refuge from all-year round dizzying heat under the shade of ten thousand wind turbines, they'd never admit that we might have a need for winter tyres.
Glad you like the Vredys though. Paint the R32 alloys gunmetal, they'll look okay then.
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I think this government needs to educate people on these matters
Our government is so convinced that in the future we'll be taking refuge from all-year round dizzying heat under the shade of ten thousand wind turbines, they'd never admit that we might have a need for winter tyres.
Glad you like the Vredys though. Paint the R32 alloys gunmetal, they'll look okay then.
^^ :laugh:
Gunmetal FTW :wink:
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Heres a photo of a white GTI with the optional VW winter alloys fitted
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/utool_f_1264948106_703.jpg)
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Good find Snoopy. It looks alright, in a Golf TDI sort of way.
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Also available in red :evil:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/MK6%20Golf/utool_f_1258115884_97.jpg)
or the 16" steels.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/MK6%20Golf/utool_f_1263669058_825.jpg)
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Want, I think! :smiley:
Rolfe.
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Heres a photo of a white GTI with the optional VW winter alloys fitted
Is that the Meribels?
I think I'll wait until Summer and buy a set of Winter wheels / tyres whilst they're a bit cheaper. No doubt I'll need them come December again.
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Is that the Meribels?
yes.
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Here's why I think they might be a good idea.
(http://www.b5-dark-mirror.demon.co.uk/snow13.jpg)
This was round about New Year's Day. I did have some help with the initial shovelling but mostly I kept it clear myself.
Rolfe.
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Looks a small amount of what we got. :drool: :wink: The main problem was the 3 inch of solid ice under the snow. :cry: So i know what you went through. :grin:
The worst problem was just about everyones drain guttering came off when the snow on the roofs decided to come down. A poor lad down the streets polo bonnet got a nice big crease in it off that sadly :sad:
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Well, you're higher than we are - I clock in at 230m. I was worried about the guttering because there was a helluva weight on it, but it seems to have survived. A friend who had a new sun-room built two years ago had the guttering of that come down though. I suppose, with it being so new, she'll get it repaired under warranty.
They say there's more cold weather coming, I just hope there isn't another 18 inches of snow in it, that's all.
Rolfe.
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For those now thinking about winter tyres, your choices could well be limited now. Most tyres companies are now back on summer tyre production and stocks will be low.
www.mytyres.co.uk also sell winter wheel sets with steel wheels (option on left hand menu)- for 15/16" rims they only charge about £15 extra for the rim, which considering even used steel wheels make £50/set on ebay is very good value imo. The wheel offsets appear to be correct o OEM too.
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www.mytyres.co.uk also sell winter wheel sets with steel wheels (option on left hand menu)- for 15/16" rims they only charge about £15 extra for the rim, which considering even used steel wheels make £50/set on ebay is very good value imo. The wheel offsets appear to be correct o OEM too.
Great find :smiley:
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4" of snow this morning!
I think i need a Golf R with studded tires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2c3NvoWyg :evil:
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4" of snow this morning!
I think i need a Golf R with studded tires http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq2c3NvoWyg :evil:
Golf R's are lowered. Any deeper than 4" of snow and it piles up in front, just like my old Evo.
Fiat Panda 4x4 on winter tyres, perfecto.
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Fiat Panda 4x4 on winter tyres, perfecto.
a 2wd Panda on Pirelli P3000 tyress can handle six inches of fresh snow - its the only thing that coped at new year in my household, and barely a flicker from the traction control light. Panda 4x4 on winter tyres is good for 12" of snow, based on pictures ive seen on relevant forums.
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I can definitely sniff the first harbingers of spring now, so I'm thinking about next year. The question is, complete set of winter wheels, or just change the tyres?
I have the standard 17" wheels anyway.
I have absolutely no intention of doing the job myself either way - I'll get Andrew at the garage to make the change whether it's wheels or tyres.
I would anticipate changing in early December and back again in late February.
Oh, and I'd prefer if the winter set still fitted the AutoSocks I got this year - presumably that would still be the case if I just changed to winter tyres using the same wheels, but I don't know about changing the wheels.
Which option would you guys recomend?
Rolfe.
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Stick with the current tyre size on your current rims (225/45/17) and your snowsocks will fit fine, although how much use they'd see with winter tyres in place is debatable.
A lot depends on how long you intend to keep the car and what that translsates to in terms of tyres swapping costs versus separate rims.
If you allow £12 per rim to remove tyre, fit other tyre and balance then twice per year its ging to cost you £50 to swap tyres around. Do this for 2 or three years and you might as well buy a second set of rims
If you were happy to use 16" wheel n tyres for winter then there is additional saving on tyre costs between 205/55/16 an 225/45/17 (typically £40/50 per tyre)
So in effect you have three scenarios...
1. just swap tyres at £100/yr and £600 initial outlay for winter tyres in 225/45/17
2. buy 16" steel rims and winter tyres - typically £550-600 per set, and pay the garage 2 x £20 to swap wheels (or smile nicely and get it done for free)
3. buy used Mk5 alloys to fit tyres to - £240 +£500 tyres for 16", £300 +£600 for 17"s
The cheapest option is a set of 16"steel wheels and winter tyres, provided you are happy with the looks of steel wheels n trims !
The best site i've found to compare prices (including a winter wheel set option on the left hand menu) is www.mytyres.co.uk
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F##k the winter tyres. I hope by the time they announce the options list for the MK7, this will be on the options list.
http://thatwillbuffout.com/2010/02/15/funny-car-photos-russian-tank-treads/
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I can definitely sniff the first harbingers of spring now, so I'm thinking about next year.
Rolfe.
So thats what the two snow falls yesterday and today ment. :wink: (jk)
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Oh ye of little faith! I've got crocuses as much as half an inch high in my garden....
Rolfe.
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I would have faith if it did not snow over night every night for the past few days. :grin:
I also have that lawn fungus that Alan Tichmarsh was talking about on his TV show yesterday, at least i learned something yesterday as i had wondered what that white patch was on the lawn after the snow melts. Its due to too much water/snow. Only cure dig the patch out and replace it :sad:
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Well seen as the worst of the Winter weather seemed to be over i thought my recently purchased Vredsteins were to be stuck in the garage ?
But hey presto the snow and sh-tty weather seems to be back so i decided to fit the winter wheels,
The difference between them is like night and day, the grip from the Vredsteins is miles better than F1s and you actually go into corners and under braking with so much more confidence.
Never really messed about changing tyres to suit road conditions as i have always been under the impression that a good tyre is about the best grip your gonna get on ice and snow etc. so you tend to make do, i would definatley recommend to others the difference is unreal, :shocked:
Not really happy with the silver R32 alloys on the Mk6 thou :sad:
Also fitted front mudflaps while the wheels were off, to stop the stones etc flying down the side of the car
No not got any pics of it yet and plus internet down at home :cry: writing this from work
Quick pic off phone :undecided:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/GetAttachment.jpg)
Neil, Are these the model of that brand you went for in the end?
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m11b423s1316p5854&tbv=VREDESTEIN_TYRES_/_WINTER_SNOW_CAR_/_VREDESTEIN_WINTRAC_XTREME_-_225/40R18_92W_XL_TL_Winter_Tyres_-_Snow_Tyres_-_Mud_and_Snow_Tyres_-_M&S_Tyres_-_Town_&_Country_Tyres_R18_-_225/40/18,_225/40_R_18
Do you know what recommend conditions temps, snow, ice, water, dry the company say they work best in etc or not to use them in?
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^^^ Hi Snoops,
yes thats the tyres that i went for, :smiley:
very pleased with the grip and less road noise than the F1s, not sure on temp useage thou,
Weather seems to be getting better around here now, just a bit of frost in a morning so Vwrs will be going back on in a couple of weeks, (fingers crossed)
Much prefer the look with them on and be giving the R32 rims a graphite makeover me thinks :cool:
http://www.vredestein.com/Banden_Bandtypes.asp?BandgroepID=2&BandtoepassingID=0&BandtypeID=7&PageID=1&UserSessionID=73#
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Thanks, i had been looking for the website but could not find it. :smiley:
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Thanks, i had been looking for the website but could not find it. :smiley:
:wink: :wink:
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Thanks,
Im still trying to decide to either keep my other old banger car for the 3 to 4 months of winter use as its worth less than a grand or sell it and buy some winter tyres to fit onto the 17" monzas for winter use.
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I would have faith if it did not snow over night every night for the past few days. :grin:
I also have that lawn fungus that Alan Tichmarsh was talking about on his TV show yesterday, at least i learned something yesterday as i had wondered what that white patch was on the lawn after the snow melts. Its due to too much water/snow. Only cure dig the patch out and replace it :sad:
It snowed yesterday evening, but it was only a dusting. It's gone in the places the sun shone. Perishing cold though!
I've got that lawn problem too. Several circles on the front lawn as if someone had been sitting a hot teapot on it. And a vast area at the back. Oh, and when they came up the road with a JCB to cart the piles of snow away, they carted some chunks of perfectly decent turf along with it. My gardening company was heard to say something about needing some turf, and I guess that's it.
Rolfe.
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Oh ye of little faith! I've got crocuses as much as half an inch high in my garden....
Rolfe.
Are you sure it is not a kind neighbour cheering you up with plastic.... :wink:
To end on a cheerfull note I can confirm it Rolfe , despite the godawfull weather my garden is still alive and shows "signs"....help is on its way....besides nature events ....I want to speed my car up a bit...under these conditions I have been driving it ever so carefull even normal cars are overtaking me.....a strange phenomenen.. :smiley:.
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Oh Rolfe what have you done?
First talk of Spring and 3 inches of snow falls on us over last night and during most of today :angry:
Only joking I for one have had about enough of this winter now and cannot wait for spring when I can really go hell for leather in my GTI.
Gizzy
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Thought this link from the US might be of interest http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2705.shtml (http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2705.shtml)
(http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/gti_1.jpg)
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I like the little orange reflectors on the front bumper.
Gizzy
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I do like those mats - match the grille and all that.
having not investigated anything that resembels an accessory yet [due to no bloody car] i wonder if these are available here?
Ava
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I do like those mats - match the grille and all that.
having not investigated anything that resembels an accessory yet [due to no bloody car] i wonder if these are available here?
Those are monster mats and are an accessory in America - but only available in left hand drive, sadly :sad:
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Noticed the yanks term for a sunroof = MOONROOF, I like it :smiley:
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Look like those up north are going to need this!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8534722.stm
Rolfe - you sure you shouldn't have gotten a Range Rover?! :evil:
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I like the little orange reflectors on the front bumper.
Gizzy
That's funny because a lot of the mods the americans are doing are painting over them.
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I do not like the orange spot ...it looks like it does not belong on the car....the mats however are the thing to have but immediately a pity for me that they only sell them to guys who drive on the wrong side of the road.... :lipsrsealed:
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I can definitely sniff the first harbingers of spring now, so I'm thinking about next year.
Rolfe.
So thats what the two snow falls yesterday and today ment. :wink: (jk)
Still not seeing spring myself :wink: A foot of snow fell here last night. :grin: :sad:
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I can definitely sniff the first harbingers of spring now, so I'm thinking about next year.
Rolfe.
So thats what the two snow falls yesterday and today ment. :wink: (jk)
Still not seeing spring myself :wink: A foot of snow fell here last night. :grin: :sad:
I had to shovel a few inches myself this morning, but it's not freezing and I've got dry tarmac on the cleared area. The roads are clear where they've been ploughed and there's no ice.
This isn't going to go on much longer. The longer days and higher sun are obviously making a difference.
Rolfe.
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Not as bad as in the highlands in the past 24 hours :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7VkiVxu_gw
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I'm going to get a set of winter tyres for the end of 2010, but I'm not sure whether to get 16" steel wheels from mytyres or to get a set of cheapish 16" or 17" alloys. In terms of the alloys, what is the correct fitment. I'm not sure what the ET and fitment means, or what it would be for my forthcoming GTi. I'm what you could call an alloy purchasing virgin! :embarassed:
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I'd get a cheap set of alloys or some steel wheels from Volkswagen. What size you choose will depend on whether you just use them in snow or whether you put them on for a few months over winter. The narrower wheel and tyre sizes will perform better on snow and ice but will mean less cornering grip in other conditions. There's no one correct choice though - Neil gti found a huge improvement just moving to Vredesteins even in 225/40R18.
For all winter fit-and-forget use I'd just fit the Vredy's in 225/45R17 to a set of standard 17" Monzas. Offset is dependent on wheel width but if you aim for ET45-50 you should be fine. VW recommended combos are:
205/55R16 6x16 - ET50
205/50R17 6x17 - ET50
225/45R17 7.5x17 ET50
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Yes the Vredstein Wintrac works very well in snow, ice, rain, i have found it a very good option for winter weather even in 18" form,
(smaller wheel size means cheaper tyres thou :wink:)
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/Jack/MK6%20GTI/DSCN0027.jpg)
Vwrs will be back on soon, been sunny all week here for a change :cool:
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Great, thanks for the advice.
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I think I'll do that. I've got the 17" Monzas anyway, and as I'd ask the garage to do the change whether it was wheels or tyres, it's probably the simplest option.
I wish I'd done it three months ago. If only I'd known....
If I do it next winter, it'll probably be 2006-07 all over again! (Except that's the winter the Pug spun off the road on black ice, so it's still a thought.)
Rolfe.
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I think I'll do that. I've got the 17" Monzas anyway, and as I'd ask the garage to do the change whether it was wheels or tyres, it's probably the simplest option.
I wish I'd done it three months ago. If only I'd known....
If I do it next winter, it'll probably be 2006-07 all over again! (Except that's the winter the Pug spun off the road on black ice, so it's still a thought.)
Rolfe.
It will be sods law, next winter get all prept up winter tyres and all,
and it will be the mildest winter since records begun, ahhh we love the British weather :laugh: :laugh:
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(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/Jack/MK6%20GTI/DSCN0027.jpg)
umm sexy wheel with sexy tyre :drool:
[i need to get out more]
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^^^ :grin: :grin:
you doooo need to get out more :wink:
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Been sunny all week here so hopefully all the snow and ice has gone now so just been out and fitted my Vwrs back on, :cool:
Hopefully not to early, you watch be 6" of snow in morn :grin: :grin:
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Been sunny all week here so hopefully all the snow and ice has gone now so just been out and fitted my Vwrs back on, :cool:
Hopefully not to early, you watch be 6" of snow in morn :grin: :grin:
I cannot believe how bad it has been for all of you especially in Scotland.
In comparison, we are really quite soft and spoilt down South.
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Is it still snowing in Scotland :sad:
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Is it still snowing in Scotland :sad:
How absolutely horrible. :cry:
Is it not supposed to be the start of Spring now? :rolleyes:
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Not snowing just outside Glasgow but our cul-de-sac and back garden is still covered in snow/ice :cry: Although quite a bit melted today.
I can remember when I was 17 and had my first car (Talbot Sunbeam) and loved going out in it in the snow. It gripped like glue and not once did I get stuck or have a scary moment. It must have been the small skinny tyres on it.
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Now that i have put the Vwrs back on with the F1s
I never realised how quite the Vredys where compared to the F1s for road noise :shocked:
Do you think it is down to the fact they are 19s and lower profile or cos the Vredys are a lot softer compound ?
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Now that i have put the Vwrs back on with the F1s
I never realised how quite the Vredys where compared to the F1s for road noise :shocked:
Do you think it is down to the fact they are 19s and lower profile or cos the Vredys are a lot softer compound ?
Tyre noise is mostly down to tread design. I think the tread block hitting the road surface and trapped air being compressed between the blocks and squeezed out are the two main sources. If you look at your tyre tread carefully you'll notice that the tread block sizes vary around the tyre - the spaces between tread blocks (sipes) are not equally spaced. This is to help spread noise over a wider frequency range and make it less noticeable. I think the steep diagonal tread pattern might reduce the amount of size variation you can have.
Also, the F1's long diagonal sipes will be good at clearing water effectively, but when it's dry will also tend to capture a lot of air and squeeze it out the sides. This is one reason why directional tread patterns are less common than they were, as vehicle noise limits have been reduced.
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We've hit that awkward time of the year again - almost double digit temps at the height of the day, but below freezing at night. Just about still on the side of winter tyres.
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(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/steels.jpg)
Sorry to bump this, but Snoopy (or anyone else with access to Etka), could you confirm whether any of the wheels listed below will fit a MkV GTi?
(I'm struggling to find a set of any of the codes in the image above without going to VW themselves)
I know I need a minimum diameter of 16", PCD of 5x112, offset of 45-51 and a 57.1mm hub, but beyond that the VW part-numbering system is losing me - have found Caddy / T4 steel wheels as follows which seem OK but I don't want to buy them and find they're wrong somehow...
7H0 601 0270 or 7D0 601 0270 - not sure which
2K3 601 027
Thanks,
Martin.
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The listing i posted is actually for the mk5 :wink:
You have to be careful of the dish bit of the wheel if looking at 16s for the mk5. As not all will fit the GTI as they can catch the caliper.
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(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l12/hartside/Colin%20T/GolfWinterWheels.jpg)
Here's mine on my winter wheels and tyres. I think it looks pretty good even though they are just 17" wheels
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(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l12/hartside/Colin%20T/GolfWinterWheels.jpg)
Here's mine on my winter wheels and tyres. I think it looks pretty good even though they are just 17" wheels
Looks like a Golf Match now. :evil: :grin:
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am1w, you know how to hurt a guy :grin: :grin:
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Golf match 1.4 :grin: Hartside what have you done :shocked:! What Tyres have you got on?
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am1w, you know how to hurt a guy :grin: :grin:
Sorry. :kiss:
Your car is a beauty with Monzas. Can't wait for the summer for you to put them on!
I was only giving you my opinion which is probably worth a pinch of salt anyway. :cry:
At least your Monzas will last longer than mine. :cry: :cry: :cry:
What make are the pumps and the wheels?
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Cheeky sods! :wink:
I got a set of 225x45 R17 94V Kuhmo KW27's. We were at 1.5°C this morning with wet roads, icy patches and freezing fog and I'm well impressed. Remains to be seen how they will do in snow, but they will be much better than the summer Bridgestones that were fitted. Had a 100 mile round trip to Stockton on Sunday to buy the wife a new car and they were fine from a comfort and noise point of view. Really wanted Vredestiens but couldn't get them until Jan/Feb from all the places I tried. Also the price of the Vredys had shot up significantly. Well happy :laugh:
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Golf match 1.4 :grin: Hartside what have you done :shocked:! What Tyres have you got on?
Thank the Lord we live in London and don't suffer from freezing bollocks and Golf Match looks on our GTi/GTD cars. :evil: :grin:
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Just think of it as the car being in stealth mode! First Match to go up against me will sh1te themselves :evil:
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Anyway - its nowt like a Match you cheeky buggers! :grin: I originally was going to fit steel wheels - you would have been remorseless! :grin:
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Anyway - its nowt like a Match you cheeky buggers! :grin: I originally was going to fit steel wheels - you would have been remorseless! :grin:
At least no one will want to steal the car now. :evil: :grin:
Very clever. :wink:
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Hartside no ones going to take the keys now through your letter box :laugh: it's newt to look at now :laugh:. Give us a kiss :kiss:, come down to London for the meet then we can take the p... !!
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Steve, I don't think we will ever be on his Christmas list now or ever!
All these guys living in Winter Wonderland need our warm Southern Lurve and hsopitality. Yeehaa! :grin:
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(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l12/hartside/Colin%20T/GolfWinterWheels.jpg)
Well, I like 'em...which might explain why our resident 'blingmeister' doesn't!
They are a good, practical choice for a Mk6...and I'm sure that should our 'southern fairy' users actually suffer any bad weather, a choice they'd gladly take.
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Well, I like 'em...which might explain why our resident 'blingmeister' doesn't!
They are a good, practical choice for a Mk6...and I'm sure that should our 'southern fairy' users actually suffer any bad weather, a choice they'd gladly take.
You would like them you 'Northern Troll'. So nice to be practically snowed-in for most of the year. :sick:
Anyway, you are just jealous of my bigger and more beautiful Southern knob! :smug:
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You would like them you 'Northern Troll'. So nice to be practically snowed-in for most of the year. :sick:
Anyway, you are just jealous of my bigger and more beautiful Southern knob! :smug:
I do hope I see plenty of snow this year...my Vreds will be worth twice their weight in Ramsdens Gold, allowing me to go about my buisiness unhindered...whilst you southern fairies moan because your friends mother once saw a snowflake, and your cars are wheelspinning in 3rd in your congested 20MPH (max) traffic.
And you can keep your bling member to yourself. :grin:
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You would like them you 'Northern Troll'. So nice to be practically snowed-in for most of the year. :sick:
Anyway, you are just jealous of my bigger and more beautiful Southern knob! :smug:
I do hope I see plenty of snow this year...my Vreds will be worth twice their weight in Ramsdens Gold, allowing me to go about my buisiness unhindered...whilst you southern fairies moan because your friends mother once saw a snowflake, and your cars are wheelspinning in 3rd in your congested 20MPH (max) traffic.
And you can keep your bling member to yourself. :grin:
Can I not tempt you just a wee bit? :evil: :grin:
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Can I not tempt you just a wee bit? :evil: :grin:
No.
I am not a Magpie...I do not feel the need to surround myself with shiny tat. :tongue:
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(http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l12/hartside/Colin%20T/GolfWinterWheels.jpg)
Here's mine on my winter wheels and tyres. I think it looks pretty good even though they are just 17" wheels
Looks fine :afro:
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Thanks chaps!
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Can I not tempt you just a wee bit? :evil: :grin:
No.
I am not a Magpie...I do not feel the need to surround myself with shiny tat. :tongue:
PMSL :grin:
Neither am I, im not a mackem either :laugh:
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Just ordered some Conti Winters.
I remember how useless the Bridgestones were last winter - bordering on the dangerous even at low speeds.
I've spent a lot of money buying this car so it seems to me a false economy to struggle through the winter on high performance summer tyres.
I'll update when they are fitted and run in.
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Just ordered some Conti Winters.
I remember how useless the Bridgestones were last winter - bordering on the dangerous even at low speeds.
I've spent a lot of money buying this car so it seems to me a false economy to struggle through the winter on high performance summer tyres.
I'll update when they are fitted and run in.
What size have you ordered?
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17" of course.
I'm not changing wheels, just tyres.
What about you?
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Amanda:
Get these from mytyres: Continental WinterContact TS 830P 225/40 R18 92V XL with raised rim rib, £181.30 includes fitting, balancing, valve, VAT, postage and packaging.
http://ssl.delti.com/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?details=Ordern&cart_id=65936867.110.16511&typ=R-172378&ranzahl=4&Breite=225&Quer=40&Felge=18&Speed=V&weiter=0&kategorie=1&Ang_pro_Seite=10&rf=1&Transport=P&F_F=1&dsco=110&sowigan=Wi
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No dont.
Kwik fit will do them for around £150 a corner at the moment.
Price will go higher the worse the weather gets.
18"s will be a bit more obviously.
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No dont.
Kwik fit will do them for around £150 a corner at the moment.
Price will go higher the worse the weather gets.
18"s will be a bit more obviously.
I was just giving her an idea of price. £150 a corner (all inclusive?) is a good price, though I dislike Kwiksh!t.
She can put the 18" ones on her Monza Shadows which will avoid her buying an extra set of 4 wheels.
Anyway, the Continentals are the one's to go for be they 17" or 18".
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Hopefully Contis are the way to go - I'll let you know.
Around £160 a corner for 18", they can store your summer tyres for a small fee if you don't have the space at home (or can't be bothered taking them home).
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Hopefully Contis are the way to go - I'll let you know.
Around £160 a corner for 18", they can store your summer tyres for a small fee if you don't have the space at home (or can't be bothered taking them home).
I know they do this.
Good price for 18". These Continentals are readily available at present.
The other very good tyre, but very pricey, is the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3.
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Seems like a good deal to me.
I searched the web and phoned a few local fitters.
You can probably get the same tyres cheaper elsewhere on online sites but they can't fit or store them and I couldn't find them.
I'm sure somebody will find a better deal for fitted and balanced.
I think Kwik Fit are trying the European approach to this to encourage more car owners to have winter tyres.
No bad thing.
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I was trying to convince a couple of mates to get winter tyres last night and they couldn't get it into their heads that they are not just for snow. I gave up in the end! They are cheapskates though!
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I was trying to convince a couple of mates to get winter tyres last night and they couldn't get it into their heads that they are not just for snow. I gave up in the end! They are cheapskates though!
Sometimes you just can't educate people.
Once experienced, they understand.
My 18" Vredesteins gave more grip at 4 degrees C, straight off the shelf with the coatings still on, than the Goodyear F1s did after 3000 miles.
That's just the cold and wet.
Wait 'till the frost comes...
...and the snow.
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Hopefully Contis are the way to go - I'll let you know.
Around £160 a corner for 18", they can store your summer tyres for a small fee if you don't have the space at home (or can't be bothered taking them home).
Kwikfit don't seem to have the Conti 830s in 17" or 18" anymore on their website. They probably have run out.
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Anyone tried the hankook winter tyres yet?
http://www.hankooktire-eu.com/uk/tyres/passenger-cars.html
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The W rated Verdy winter tyres in 18" were available until last week on mytyres. (I think these are the ones Ess_Three has). They seem to be running out of winter rubber in the size Gizzy requires pretty rapidly.
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Anyone tried the hankook winter tyres yet?
http://www.hankooktire-eu.com/uk/tyres/passenger-cars.html
Not yet, but a possibility for the wifes Yaris. I was looking at them earlier tonight with steelies from Mytyres
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Just thought i would post a last pic of the dirty Git in winter wellies, before i put the VWRacing wheels back on tomorrow :smiley:
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/IMG_0184.jpg)
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a pic of the vredies from the rear
(http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt94/NeilGti/IMG_0185.jpg)
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That would never happen to my motor you dirty sod :laugh:^^^^^
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
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Maybe keep the snow tyres on for a while yet, snow forecast for the week after next :shocked:
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
Filthy scarlet whore! :grin:
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Maybe keep the snow tyres on for a while yet, snow forecast for the week after next :shocked:
Already swapped by local tyre depot £16 four wheels off, all hubs copper greased as wheels were well stuck on, four other wheels back on and tyre pressures checked, hows that for a service :smiley:
Napp not happy with snow coming back :sad: The Git will be put to bed in the garage if it does,
Note to self, must get it washed starting to look like Gillys :grin:
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
Filthy scarlet whore! :grin:
Even worse now, a trip down the M1 yesterday in the rain hasn't even washed it :laugh:
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
Filthy scarlet whore! :grin:
Even worse now, a trip down the M1 yesterday in the rain hasn't even washed it :laugh:
Won't come off now. Like owner like car. :shocked: :embarassed:
I've just noticed that you don't have Dynaudio or an uprated sound system. A bit of extra bass might dislodge the filth. :grin:
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
Filthy scarlet whore! :grin:
Even worse now, a trip down the M1 yesterday in the rain hasn't even washed it :laugh:
Won't come off now. Like owner like car. :shocked: :embarassed:
I've just noticed that you don't have Dynaudio or an uprated sound system. A bit of extra bass might dislodge the filth. :grin:
Not wrong there the RNS isn't the best sound in the world :angry:
i think i might treat her tommorow to a bath :rolleyes:
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Noticed yesterday on the motorway that i have a wobble between 60-80 hope its just a wheel weight that has come off and not a buckled wheel :angry:
From the damn potholes :undecided:
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the old girl hasn't been washed for about 4 weeks :rolleyes: :rolleyes: been busy busy :smiley:
Filthy scarlet whore! :grin:
Even worse now, a trip down the M1 yesterday in the rain hasn't even washed it :laugh:
Won't come off now. Like owner like car. :shocked: :embarassed:
I've just noticed that you don't have Dynaudio or an uprated sound system. A bit of extra bass might dislodge the filth. :grin:
Not wrong there the RNS isn't the best sound in the world :angry:
i think i might treat her tommorow to a bath :rolleyes:
Don't forget to use those pink marigolds you picked up recently. You don't know what you can catch as she's been a gal about town helping you out. :grin:
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Maybe keep the snow tyres on for a while yet, snow forecast for the week after next :shocked:
Already swapped by local tyre depot £16 four wheels off, all hubs copper greased as wheels were well stuck on, four other wheels back on and tyre pressures checked, hows that for a service :smiley:
Napp not happy with snow coming back :sad: The Git will be put to bed in the garage if it does,
Note to self, must get it washed starting to look like Gillys :grin:
:grin: :grin:
VW washed mine for me!! :tongue:
next time it needs a wash and a vac i think i will just say its making funny noises :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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Noticed yesterday on the motorway that i have a wobble between 60-80 hope its just a wheel weight that has come off and not a buckled wheel :angry:
From the damn potholes :undecided:
Ooooh nooooo!
Probably just the wheel weight, otherwise you'd feel it all the time.
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Maybe keep the snow tyres on for a while yet, snow forecast for the week after next :shocked:
Already swapped by local tyre depot £16 four wheels off, all hubs copper greased as wheels were well stuck on, four other wheels back on and tyre pressures checked, hows that for a service :smiley:
Napp not happy with snow coming back :sad: The Git will be put to bed in the garage if it does,
Note to self, must get it washed starting to look like Gillys :grin:
:grin: :grin:
VW washed mine for me!! :tongue:
next time it needs a wash and a vac i think i will just say its making funny noises :lipsrsealed: :grin:
You back then Gilly, no broken bones :rolleyes:
Did they sort your Git out for ya while you was away
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Noticed yesterday on the motorway that i have a wobble between 60-80 hope its just a wheel weight that has come off and not a buckled wheel :angry:
From the damn potholes :undecided:
Ooooh nooooo!
Probably just the wheel weight, otherwise you'd feel it all the time.
Get them balanced tomorrow and see :wink:
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Newsflash: Leeds man causes major avalanche! :laugh:
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Newsflash: Leeds man causes major avalanche! :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:
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Maybe keep the snow tyres on for a while yet, snow forecast for the week after next :shocked:
Already swapped by local tyre depot £16 four wheels off, all hubs copper greased as wheels were well stuck on, four other wheels back on and tyre pressures checked, hows that for a service :smiley:
Napp not happy with snow coming back :sad: The Git will be put to bed in the garage if it does,
Note to self, must get it washed starting to look like Gillys :grin:
:grin: :grin:
VW washed mine for me!! :tongue:
next time it needs a wash and a vac i think i will just say its making funny noises :lipsrsealed: :grin:
You back then Gilly, no broken bones :rolleyes:
Did they sort your Git out for ya while you was away
Back in one bit thankfully :grin:
Dropped it off on saturday before i flew out. they dropped it back on thursday evening. Not spoken to them about what they have done.... but i am pretty sure they have reflashed it back to the std map :cry: :cry: :cry:
Gonna fill her up with juice and try break her later on this evening :evil:
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Newsflash: Leeds man causes major avalanche! :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:
I tell you, it's so nice to have both of you around. Did you also know I have been in touch with our friend Kev?
He'll be back soon once he sorts his house-move and internet access. :cool:
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Watch them cameras around Leeds :rolleyes:
you said you wanted the original map for insurance purposes :sad: not as much fun thou :wink:
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Newsflash: Leeds man causes major avalanche! :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh:
I tell you, it's so nice to have both of you around. Did you also know I have been in touch with our friend Kev?
He'll be back soon once he sorts his house-move and internet access. :cool:
Yes not been around much, really busy with work and not even noticed Kev wasn't around :grin:
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Watch them cameras around Leeds :rolleyes:
you said you wanted the original map for insurance purposes :sad: not as much fun thou :wink:
yep. got to keep it without map for now :undecided:
feels so slow as that map was such an improvement on the original. may steal my mums clio for a while just so it feels a little faster when i get into it.
rns510 + map with speed cams = no problemo :grin:
p.s. that trip sounds like alot of fun!! :cool:
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Watch them cameras around Leeds :rolleyes:
you said you wanted the original map for insurance purposes :sad: not as much fun thou :wink:
yep. got to keep it without map for now :undecided:
feels so slow as that map was such an improvement on the original. may steal my mums clio for a while just so it feels a little faster when i get into it.
rns510 + map with speed cams = no problemo :grin:
p.s. that trip sounds like alot of fun!! :cool:
Can't picture you in a clio :laugh:
and yes Spaberg trip should be fun :smiley: can't wait
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Noticed yesterday on the motorway that i have a wobble between 60-80 hope its just a wheel weight that has come off and not a buckled wheel :angry:
From the damn potholes :undecided:
Ooooh nooooo!
Probably just the wheel weight, otherwise you'd feel it all the time.
Get them balanced tomorrow and see :wink:
Called into the garage today to get all the wheels checked and balanced,
found out that i had 2 dodgy tyres :sad: a couple of rubber blocks on the outside edge of the tyres were split and you could see the wire underneath,
Tyres still had 6mm of tread left on aswell :angry: told them to fit 2 new tyres and balance all the wheels, back to smooth motoring again :smiley:
When i called into the office to pay they said it was £480 for 2 F1 tyres fitted and balanced :shocked: i told him that no way was i paying that and he could take them off again :grin: ended up paying £320 thought it was still a bit dear but she is back to normal once more :smiley:
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Oh dear.
Sorry to hear this. Pity, could you not have got the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres?
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Oh dear.
Sorry to hear this. Pity, could you not have got the new Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2 tyres?
No didn't have any in stock, so i got them to fit the same as the rears, no doubt i will need a set of new tyres after my week away :rolleyes:
prob try a different brand next time and change all 4
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£240 a corner :shocked: :shocked: the robbing barstewards!!!
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£240 a corner :shocked: :shocked: the robbing barstewards!!!
Thats what i said :angry: and to drop the price by £160 within a few minutes
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It annoys me when they try and take you for a cnut! Wouldn't it make more sense to offer a decent price as word of mouth is worth a fortune?! :angry:
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£240 a corner :shocked: :shocked: the robbing barstewards!!!
Thats what i said :angry: and to drop the price by £160 within a few minutes
You probably bought 235/35 R19 FI Asymmetric tyres which are being sold by mytyres for £186.20 per corner. So in the end you got a good deal. The Asymmetric 2 versions are not yet available in your size.
The best tyres for you are probably the Michelin Pilot SuperSports.
Read this:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=185782.0 :wink:
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Yes they have lost my business now, have used them a few times and had a good service before and reasonable prices,
Tried it on the wrong person :grin:
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£240 a corner :shocked: :shocked: the robbing barstewards!!!
Thats what i said :angry: and to drop the price by £160 within a few minutes
You probably bought 235/35 R19 FI Asymmetric tyres which are being sold by mytyres for £186.20 per corner. So in the end you got a good deal. The Asymmetric 2 versions are not yet available in your size.
The best tyres for you are probably the Michelin Pilot SuperSports.
Read this:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=185782.0 :wink:
Toooooooooooo long for me that Asker, i will take your word for it :grin: :grin:
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£240 a corner :shocked: :shocked: the robbing barstewards!!!
Thats what i said :angry: and to drop the price by £160 within a few minutes
You probably bought 235/35 R19 FI Asymmetric tyres which are being sold by mytyres for £186.20 per corner. So in the end you got a good deal. The Asymmetric 2 versions are not yet available in your size.The best tyres for you are probably the Michelin Pilot SuperSports.
Read this:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=185782.0 :wink:
Toooooooooooo long for me that Asker, i will take your word for it :grin: :grin:
Lazy trollop. :kiss:
Just buy the Michelin Pilot Super Sports, dear, once you have perished your rubber in Germanic situations . :grin: :grin:
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:wink: That i will Asker come the end of June cos i will be needing new Boots of the Michelin Pilot SuperSports kind :smiley:
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Goody goody gum drops.
Now be a spiffing chap and use the Summer Tyre Sticky henceforth. Even though this is your personal thread, it is the wrong one for summer tyres. :wink: :grin: