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General => General discussion => Topic started by: jamie_pyrite on 13 January 2010, 14:29
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So those of us that drive mk1s and mk2s know what it's like. You get stopped in a car park or petrol station and asked about your car, usually with the line "I have one of these back when I was young! I loved it."
My question is, do you honestly think cars like that mk4 and mk5 golf will be a future classic in 20 years time? I really can't picture it. "Oh! A mk4 golf gti! I had one of them in my twenties.. not many around now though.."
What do you reckon? Do you think the era of the classic car will forever be those from the 80s and older?
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Its hard to tell I think. The MK4 and MK5 R32s will 100% be future classics.
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well for sure the cars of today are not built to last like they where when the mk1s and mk2s where built so will they last 20 years or simply fall apart?
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That's a good point. I know for sure cars like the 106/saxo and all the new french rubbish they put out won't be around much in 20 years!
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Likewise how many 20 year old vauxhalls do u see on the roads?
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Its hard to tell I think. The MK4 and MK5 R32s will 100% be future classics.
MK4 R32, definitely yes, MK5 R32? Nah.
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as much as many of you wont believe, i get asked about my 3 ALL the time...
people appreciate older cars, especially sports cars, get it with my swift, my mat gets it with his series 1,
its just how it is, alot of these type cars have either rusted away, been written off or simply just ragged to death they didnt survive.
future classics
R32 in the vw world,and any gti really, theirs only people on here that have massiv problems with cars like the mk 3 gti, the general public just think "golf GTI"
also think cars like the new RS focus will be a classic :cool:
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That's a good point. I know for sure cars like the 106/saxo and all the new french rubbish they put out won't be around much in 20 years!
I'm sure that there aren't that many mk1s or 2s around today compared to 20 years ago. And i'm pretty sure that the 106 gti and rallye, as well as the saxo vtr and vts will have a "classic" status about them in another 15 years or so, as well as the clio 172 and 206 gti 180........
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That's a good point. I know for sure cars like the 106/saxo and all the new french rubbish they put out won't be around much in 20 years!
I'm sure that there aren't that many mk1s or 2s around today compared to 20 years ago. And i'm pretty sure that the 106 gti and rallye, as well as the saxo vtr and vts will have a "classic" status about them in another 15 years or so, as well as the clio 172 and 206 gti 180........
agree with this
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Cars generally obtain cult status because they generate a strong emotion in people or are genuine drivers cars. Cars like the 74 911 RS, whilst there are many many 911's this is widely recognised as the best of them for the sheer enjoyment being behind the wheel brings. Other 911's are desirable but can you really see the new RS with its pink stickers and huge wheels being sought after in 40 years time, I certainly can't.
To become a cult/desirable/collectable car it needs to be outstanding to drive and timeless to look at and pull at your emotions. Very few cars built in recent time that are designed by a computer rather than an artist/designer with the exception of the real exotics, Zonda et al have acheived this.
All my opinion of course.
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My question is, do you honestly think cars like that mk4 and mk5 golf will be a future classic in 20 years time? I really can't picture it. "Oh! A mk4 golf gti! I had one of them in my twenties.. not many around now though.."
:grin: of course they will, unless the government has us crush them all for not being powered by electricity. Any car with a cult following will become a classic after 20 years or so.
What do you reckon? Do you think the era of the classic car will forever be those from the 80s and older?
I'm guessing you are younger than 25.
Other 911's are desirable but can you really see the new RS with its pink stickers and huge wheels being sought after in 40 years time, I certainly can't.
Yes. Definitely. Not like there's tens of thousands of them around, is it. And it is one of the fastest, most capable and thrilling 911's of its time, is it not?
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Well they reckon the ford ka will be a classic, so the mk4 could be (although I'm biased...)
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good shout with the Ka, deffo agree their (the original ka)
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Yes. Definitely. Not like there's tens of thousands of them around, is it. And it is one of the fastest, most capable and thrilling 911's of its time, is it not?
True it is a rare car and no doubt it is epic to drive. No doubt if I got to drive one I want to sell my first born to get one. I guess it is very subjective.
My mum had a SportKa for a couple of years awesome car to drive, great fun.
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I think some of the specials will do i.e the Annis etc and others like the Impreza RB320, cars with limited build runs!
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Its hard to tell I think. The MK4 and MK5 R32s will 100% be future classics.
MK4 R32, definitely yes, MK5 R32? Nah.
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I agree there 100%!!!
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I think saxo VTS will be a classic, kinda like the 205 GTI is now.
R32's, definitely, especially the mk4.
MK3 VR6 for sure, and the golf R will be to I reckon.
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Its hard to tell I think. The MK4 and MK5 R32s will 100% be future classics.
MK4 R32, definitely yes, MK5 R32? Nah.
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I agree there 100%!!!
Drive a MK5 R32 with DSG and you will change your mind ;)
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Don't think so on as big scale as the MK1's & 2's.
Not even the MK3's I don't think, the mass increase in manufaction will limit it a lot I think.
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do you think a vauxhal cavaliar is a classic ??? i mean a standard not the great badboy that was the GSI 2000 :)
just to me, theirs lots of classics, that may not be sporty if that makes sense
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Audi tt (series one) now theres a future classic! :smiley:
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Audi RS4
Ford Puma in 15 yrs time
Renault Vel Satis & Avantime (because they only sold about 500!!)
Civic Type R
Mazda RX-8
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106 Rallye S2
That car will be a Future Classic they are hard enough to get hold of now!
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Any car can become a classic in time. Who'd have thought Allegro's would be sort after, but yet they are!
Nick
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Any car can become a classic in time. Who'd have thought Allegro's would be sort after, but yet they are!
Nick
Exactly! who'd of thought maestro turbos would be a classic but i bet they are! (if u can find one)
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i think far fewer modern cars will survive long enough to become classic manufactures are getting very good at makeing cars last for there desing life. it reported to be 5 yrs / 100,000 without magor mecanical mantance and then plug on for another 5yrs with help then fall to bits in a heap.
mk3 golfs will become much than mk2's quite quickly. as us mk2 owners like buy them to extract the good bits and as mk2's get rarer and worth more parts and restoration budgets will increase
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mk3 golfs will become much than mk2's quite quickly. as us mk2 owners like buy them to extract the good bits and as mk2's get rarer and worth more parts and restoration budgets will increase
This was said of Minis and Metros years ago with people saying that Metros would never be a classic and anyway all the mini owners would break the hot ones for mini bits. You try and get a good MG Metro or MG Metro Turbo these days. It's damn near impossible and Phase one's are fetching very good money indeed.
Nick
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mk3 golfs will become much than mk2's quite quickly. as us mk2 owners like buy them to extract the good bits and as mk2's get rarer and worth more parts and restoration budgets will increase
This was said of Minis and Metros years ago with people saying that Metros would never be a classic and anyway all the mini owners would break the hot ones for mini bits. You try and get a good MG Metro or MG Metro Turbo these days. It's damn near impossible and Phase one's are fetching very good money indeed.
Nick
My dad had a series one in silver with black at the bottom and turbo in big red letters (standard) was a rapid car at the time,i used to love watching the turbo lights on the dash :smiley:
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My dad had a series one in silver with black at the bottom and turbo in big red letters (standard) was a rapid car at the time,i used to love watching the turbo lights on the dash :smiley:
We had a black one. Getting those last three LEDs on the boost indicator to light up caning up and down our drive was quite a challenge.
as much as many of you wont believe, i get asked about my 3 ALL the time...
Oh I can believe it - 'when will the scrap man be here to get that heap off our road?'
Why do you think I keep my Golf off the road between track days? Nothing more annoying than coming back to a 'Police Aware' sticker on the windscreen - you must get it all the time.
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Why do you think I keep my Golf off the road between track days? Nothing more annoying than coming back to a 'Police Aware' sticker on the windscreen - you must get it all the time.
All jokin aside I have twice gone to the Golf to find it fliered by the "We pay cash for scrap cars" type people. :angry:
Nick
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Oh and a Neighbour asked me if I was getting into banger racing!!!!!
Nick
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My MK3 is a classic. :smug:
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the mk3 golf gti wont be a classic. someone said only people who knows about gti's say the mk3 was poor, the public think "its a golf gti". but the people who are goin to deem it a classic in the future are going to be the same enthusiast from today. so its will still be the "poor gti". only the vr6 will have any status in time. like cossy escort, a classic and always will be due to its limited numbers and how vastly different it is to any other escort family.
the mk1 one is classic because it was the original "hothatch", that's its status.
the mk2 did the hard job of being better than the original, that its status.
the mk3 was worse than its predecessors and is common as muck. don't see why anyone will rave about it years to come. i see far more run down "daily" mk3s gti's (especially 5 doors) on the road that are just used and abused by tom, dick and harry. if it has that bad reputation now, how will it change years to come?
now id say every 3 out 5 mk2 gtis i see on the road are clean original looked after examples, or are modified. the mk3 gti almost as the same appeal as say mk2 driver or GL that isnt anything special. that's its problem, and always will be. maybe the exception to the rule will be the 16v anniversary only due to its limited numbers.
vr6 will survive due it being completely different from a gti so doesn't have the gti's stigma, and having the new vr6 engine that no other golf had before it had, it has no competitor to be judged upon,therefor it gets the mk1 like status of being an original.
after my rant id just like to point out im not a mk3 hater as i own and like my mk3 gti anni, just sayin how i see it. :nerd:
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I acctually agree! :smiley: and ive got one aswell
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everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and to say the general public wont regard, say...a mk 3 GTI as a classic is lunacy... everyone has heard the phrase "golf GTI" so that in its self is gonna help it make a classic status.
Not everyone is as closed minded as the people on the forums (which in reality is prob a tiny part of the popularity)
i am just basing it on my own exp, and that is wherever i go in the mk 3, i get people asking about it etc etc, its probably because i keep it looking clean and its old, not much younger than a late mk 2 (1993 to be exact)
theirs many run down mk 3 gtis out their, yes, that is for sure, we know it was marketed for sales more than anything, however these tatty examples will be off the road in no time = seeing many mk 3 gtis on the road in the future will not be as common sight
same as what happend with the mk 2, they used to be common as muck too. many people on here just wont remember that as they were too young or not even born.
if you had a 8v mk 2 back in the 90's all my mates would take the p1ss out of you (similar stuff as the mk 3 gets now - heavy and slow etc
a golf gti is a bit of a classic no matter what mk, yeah on the forums the 3 gets bad press, epecially on this forum, iv had mk 2's, 3's and 4's, i love em all, theirs something similar about all golfs to me personally, and thats why i like them, but thats just me. i will say out of all the ones iv had, the black mk 3 has been the better in terms of reliability.. maybe mine is just a good one if their is such a thing
in a nutshell, it will still be a classic, even if for the wrong reasons
hope this made sense ?
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My MK3 is a classic. :smug:
Nope it is a GL :rolleyes:
Mk1 and Mk2's are will always be classics as such, I don't think Mk3 / 4 and 5 will head the same way, however VR6 and R32 may / will be different.
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What about the mk4 4motion? Or are they considered to be the poor mans R32
I quite like them and I have never really seen many of them
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Mk3 will be a classic - especially the VR6. It was the only hatchback out there with a 6 cylinder engine.
I don't understand why the Mk3 gets such bad press. The Mk4 was the worst GTI IMO - and I mean the 1.8T, not the re-badged 2.0 Highline. Again the Mk4's which will be sought after classics will be the big-engined V5, V6 and R32.
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Mk3 will be a classic - especially the VR6. It was the only hatchback out there with a 6 cylinder engine.
I don't understand why the Mk3 gets such bad press. The Mk4 was the worst GTI IMO - and I mean the 1.8T, not the re-badged 2.0 Highline. Again the Mk4's which will be sought after classics will be the big-engined V5, V6 and R32.
The biggest problem with the mk3 was after the mk2 it was such a let down, standard susp. is very poor and with the weight performance was poor.
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Lol at all the mk3 owners feeling the need to defend their car as being a potential classic.
Problem is alot of us hang out in sections where there is a mutual appreciation for our certain model of car so have a rose tinted view of the car (Mk3 gti owners looking at you, nah joke joke ;D)
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Mk3 will be a classic - especially the VR6. It was the only hatchback out there with a 6 cylinder engine.
I don't understand why the Mk3 gets such bad press. The Mk4 was the worst GTI IMO - and I mean the 1.8T, not the re-badged 2.0 Highline. Again the Mk4's which will be sought after classics will be the big-engined V5, V6 and R32.
Can't ever see the V5 being a classic or the V6, R32 yes, GT TDI yes as it was the first proper performance diesel!
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Mk3 will be a classic - especially the VR6. It was the only hatchback out there with a 6 cylinder engine.
I don't understand why the Mk3 gets such bad press. The Mk4 was the worst GTI IMO - and I mean the 1.8T, not the re-badged 2.0 Highline. Again the Mk4's which will be sought after classics will be the big-engined V5, V6 and R32.
Can't ever see the V5 being a classic or the V6, R32 yes, GT TDI yes as it was the first proper performance diesel!
V5 and V6 because they're rarer. I forgot the Mk4 Anni. TDI's will all have be driven into the ground in 20 years time. Anyway, name me a diesel which is a classic today...
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Top 5 classic cars i would like 2 see on my drive
Mk2 gti 16v, Which is sat there now, :laugh:
Lancia delta intergrale,
Mk2 escort RS200
Renault 5 gt turbo
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti
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Top 5 classic cars i would like 2 see on my drive
Mk2 gti 16v, Which is sat there now, :laugh:
Lancia delta intergrale,
Mk2 escort RS200
Renault 5 gt turbo
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti
Don`t you mean Mk2 escort rs 2000 ? :wink:
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The Lancia Delta Intergrale is already a 'modern classic' imo.
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Top 5 classic cars i would like 2 see on my drive
Mk2 gti 16v, Which is sat there now, :laugh:
Lancia delta intergrale,
Mk2 escort RS200
Renault 5 gt turbo
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti
Don`t you mean Mk2 escort rs 2000 ? :wink:
Yeah i must of missed the last 0 of the end, :grin:
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The Lancia Delta Intergrale is already a 'modern classic' imo.
Yeah thats why i would like 2 see it on my drive ay it,
What does imo mean
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I don't think the MK 5, although a very nice car atm, will be a future classic; but the MK4 R32 will definitely be a classic, and maybe the MK 4 anniversary...
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Top 5 classic cars i would like 2 see on my drive
Mk2 gti 16v, Which is sat there now, :laugh:
Lancia delta intergrale,
Mk2 escort RS200
Renault 5 gt turbo
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti
Can't beat that, thats a great choice, favourite has to be the lancia or the GTi
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Top 5 classic cars i would like 2 see on my drive
Mk2 gti 16v, Which is sat there now, :laugh:
Lancia delta intergrale,
Mk2 escort RS200
Renault 5 gt turbo
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti
Can't beat that, thats a great choice, favourite has to be the lancia or the GTi
Hot summers nite goin 2 a country pub, WHICH DO YOU CHOOSE,
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Mk1 Golf GTi
Williams Clio
P1 Mk1 Scooby
60's Mini cooper
Twin 40'd CVH Xr2 (I know they aint everyones cuppa tea but i've had a few mk2's)
And as for the argument that a MK4 V5 will be a classic... WHATEVER!!! Even a 4motion is worth to55 all now! An R32 i can see the appeal in 20 yrs time, even a 1.8t gti, because they are fun to drive (If mapped). But a V5? Nah!
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Hot summers nite goin 2 a country pub, WHICH DO YOU CHOOSE,
None. Mk1 MX-5 FTW in summer
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^ Hairdresser.
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Mk1 or mk2 Scirocco and Corrado not many left around now.
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Mk1 or mk2 Scirocco and Corrado not many left around now.
WOO HOO!!! :laugh: :laugh:
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Hot summers nite goin 2 a country pub, WHICH DO YOU CHOOSE,
None. Mk1 MX-5 FTW in summer
Where you drivin 2 then THE BLUE OYSTER BAR,
(police academy)
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Little girls have come to terms with your sexuality you'll open your eyes and spot that there are probably more MX-5s used on track than Golf GTIs. That's because they're the business for cheap rear-drive fun.
MX-5 is definitely not a hairdresser's car.
Pug 205 is a little girl's car, but that's by the by.
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There wont be any future classics like mk1 gtis, pug205gti, delta integrale, because all new cars are rubbish.
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Mx-5 is not a classic car though is it really,
Peugeot 205 1.9 gti is a classic car,
I could imagine Gok Wan drivin around in a MX-5
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alas no, certainly in the eyes of insurance, you can get a MX-5 on a classic policy, :lipsrsealed:
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Them hairdressers dont do many miles i bet,
So they can ave it on limited mileage then :grin:
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Mx5 is a classic, early ones are worth strong money now, have seen g regs sale for £3k
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Audi quattro! now there's a proper classic! :cool:
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An audi quattro and a lancia intergrale evolution, (in yellow)
How about takin them out 4 a blast on a nice crisp winters mornin, OH BABY, :laugh: :laugh:
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Nice selection there,
A funny story about clio v6
My mate got sent 2 jail 4 wavin a shot gun above a gypos head, He did 4 years,
Anyway when he came out his dad had bought him a clio v6,, 13k,
Thats your presant 4 going 2 jail, WOT A JOKE,, :sick: :sick:
But anyway my mate bein the prick he is, Wrapped it around a tree cumin from the cider house in bridgnorth, 4 days after, :grin: :grin:
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The Mk4, Mk5 and even Mk6 will all become future classics imo, one day will come where i'll probably pull up in a car park in a crappy little electric car with my gran kids and see an old Mk4 sitting there and i'll say "i used to have one of them! bloody hell i loved my old car, mind i had to put this liquid called petrolium into it all the time, it was very expensive!" :drool:
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well for sure the cars of today are not built to last like they where when the mk1s and mk2s where built so will they last 20 years or simply fall apart?
Big fail on that one mate. 20+ years ago most cars rarely made it past 100K without an engine rebuild, almost all rusted like it was going out of fashion. The built quality for most was sh*t. Once a car was approaching 80k it was definitely in Jalopy Corner in the classifieds. With the exceptions of some VWs, Volvos, BMW, etc, even then rust was a killer.
Things started getting better towards the end of the 80s/early 90s with regards to rust proofing and engine longevity. Most Ford and BL stuff started rusting before the new owners got them home!
Example: How many pre Sierra Ford stuff do you see on the roads these days? and you're lucky to see a Sierra!
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MK4 R32 Future Classic
Clio V6
Civic Type R
Focus RS
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I think a lot of people are missing the point here: virtually any car can become a classic simply by being old and there not being many of them left. There is usually a marque specific owners club for most vehicles whatever spec they may be. A lot of "poverty-spec" models are highly sought after by some of the more avid collectors although the more luxurious or sporty models push the prices up.
Saw an absolutely mint Escort Mk3 1.3 GL the other day. Not a mark on it, and I have to say it was really impressive simply because it was different. We all make fun of cars like the Maxi or Allegro, but thanks to the owners' clubs, we can still see the potential of the design or how bad they were in their time.
Ask yourself this question and be honest: When was the last time you saw a VW Santana other than at a show??
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well for sure the cars of today are not built to last like they where when the mk1s and mk2s where built so will they last 20 years or simply fall apart?
Big fail on that one mate. 20+ years ago most cars rarely made it past 100K without an engine rebuild, almost all rusted like it was going out of fashion. The built quality for most was sh*t. Once a car was approaching 80k it was definitely in Jalopy Corner in the classifieds. With the exceptions of some VWs, Volvos, BMW, etc, even then rust was a killer.
Things started getting better towards the end of the 80s/early 90s with regards to rust proofing and engine longevity. Most Ford and BL stuff started rusting before the new owners got them home!
Example: How many pre Sierra Ford stuff do you see on the roads these days? and you're lucky to see a Sierra!
I was specifically talking vw,we all know fords are crap! :laugh: new cars seem to be very plasticy and switches and knobs dont seem to be as solid and well made as in the earlier models. :smiley:
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well for sure the cars of today are not built to last like they where when the mk1s and mk2s where built so will they last 20 years or simply fall apart?
Big fail on that one mate. 20+ years ago most cars rarely made it past 100K without an engine rebuild, almost all rusted like it was going out of fashion. The built quality for most was sh*t. Once a car was approaching 80k it was definitely in Jalopy Corner in the classifieds. With the exceptions of some VWs, Volvos, BMW, etc, even then rust was a killer.
Things started getting better towards the end of the 80s/early 90s with regards to rust proofing and engine longevity. Most Ford and BL stuff started rusting before the new owners got them home!
Example: How many pre Sierra Ford stuff do you see on the roads these days? and you're lucky to see a Sierra!
I was specifically talking vw,we all know fords are crap! :laugh: new cars seem to be very plasticy and switches and knobs dont seem to be as solid and well made as in the earlier models. :smiley:
I know what you mean there but i definitley think todays cars are far better, the best period for quality builds imo would be the 90's because the plastic wasnt cheap sh!te and the metals were far high quality with no plastic body pannels :smiley:
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I think a lot of people are missing the point here: virtually any car can become a classic simply by being old and there not being many of them left. There is usually a marque specific owners club for most vehicles whatever spec they may be. A lot of "poverty-spec" models are highly sought after by some of the more avid collectors although the more luxurious or sporty models push the prices up.
Saw an absolutely mint Escort Mk3 1.3 GL the other day. Not a mark on it, and I have to say it was really impressive simply because it was different. We all make fun of cars like the Maxi or Allegro, but thanks to the owners' clubs, we can still see the potential of the design or how bad they were in their time.
Ask yourself this question and be honest: When was the last time you saw a VW Santana other than at a show??
never ever ever :laugh: