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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: GTD-Smurf on 07 January 2010, 13:14
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Can any one tell me what buttons on the MFSW work with the FISCON Plus Bluetooth Kit, ie:- To answer a call do you press the OK button or the button with picture of phone on it or will either answer a call ?? :huh: :smiley:
Thinking of getting this to work with RNS510 but was sure how it intergrates with MFSW.
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The button with the phone on it is not used at all. The OK button is used to answer calls.
I have only used mine a few times but the quality of the call is great.
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So the button with the picture of phone on it Does nothing then ?? I presume this only works with a OEM VW Bluetooth Unit ?
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So the button with the picture of phone on it Does nothing then ?? I presume this only works with a OEM VW Bluetooth Unit ?
Yeah that's my understanding.
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Despite being here for a while, FISCON has only just arrived on my radar screen. What's wrong with VW's own OEM phone preparation that makes getting FISCON necessary? Please can some patient forum member explain. Given the number of people getting FISCON, it seems that VW's own is really sub-standard. If that's the case, then you'd think that VW UK would do something about it. BMWs, Mercs and Audis all work fine with standard phone preparation AFAIK.
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If you cannot use all the Buttons available on the MFSW sounds like the Fiscon unit is the one that's substandard to me ??
Maybe it's the price of a OEM VW Unit ??
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Does the OEM phone preparation work with an iPhone? I.e. is the iPhone rSAP-enabled?
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Sounds like VW Cocked up by making bluetooth units that are only compatable with a minority of mobile phones, Especially the Iphone ??
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I went for Fiscon over VW because I have an iPhone, simple as
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Seems crazy VW actually put a MDI port in to control an ipod / iphone yet their own bluetooth doesn't work with the itouch!! Bizarre.
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Maybe the Germans are not as clever and efficient as were led to believe :smiley: :laugh:
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Has anyone contacted VW UK about this? The iPhone is one of the top selling smartphone handsets globally and yet VWs don't work with it. While this is clearly an issue in the UK, surely it must also be a problem in the Fatherland for German iPhone users. Surely there must be a third-party unit that unlike FISCON fully integrates iPhone operation with all of the steering wheel phone functions / controls?
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I went for Fiscon over VW because I have an iPhone, simple as
I now have an iPhone (previously Sony Ericsson) with Fiscon. Strangely the iPhone doesn't seem to integrate as fully with Fiscon as the Sony. When the Sony connected, I could view all of my call lists from the phone whether they had been made through Bluetooth or not. With the iPhone, it only seems to show calls made/received during the current Bluetooth connection. Yesterday I called Orange Answerphone to listen to a couple of voice messages while connected to Fiscon. No problem making the call, but Orange Voicemail requires that you select 1 to listen to messages. Opened the keypad in Fiscon on the RCD510, hit 1, and nothing happened. Keypad doesn't seem to work (for me at least) during a Fiscon call. Anyone else had issues with iPhone integration?
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I have this problem on my Sonyericcson phone as well.
Phoned the bank the other day and it asked me to press a number and no amount of pressing it would send the tone! So its not just the iphone that suffers this. Maybe it is a bluetooth thing?!
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Glad it's not just me! I'm guessing that the keypad is fine for dialling a call manually rather than using the phone contacts, but once in a call it doesn't work. Of course the woeful Fiscon "Owner's Manual" doesn't help at all.
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Found This Seems The VW Bluetooth Does Work with an Iphone :-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZoAKjrhPcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZoAKjrhPcQ)
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That's the US Bluetooth which is not rSAP. It uses the common hands free profile and allows voice dialling etc.
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Mobridge looks good, anyone tried brought one? If so, tell us about it, does the MFSW work?
cheers,
:lipsrsealed:
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If only the EU version could work with the standard HPF (Hands Free Profile) that all phones support, cant belive VW could mess the bluetooth bit up so bad.
Must got a bribe from Nokia...
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I think that it is ridiculous that VW still can't integrate an iPhone or Blackberry successfully with the RNS510. We have such strict rules concerning usage of mobile phones while driving that you'd think VW UK would be on top of this by now. I have already contacted Apple about this problem and I'm going to speak to VW UK about it tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on.
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I think that it is ridiculous that VW still can't integrate an iPhone or Blackberry successfully with the RNS510. We have such strict rules concerning usage of mobile phones while driving that you'd think VW UK would be on top of this by now. I have already contacted Apple about this problem and I'm going to speak to VW UK about it tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on.
What did Apple say?
I also filled in their feedback form and requested rSAP support but i doubt they will add it since it´s seems like a Nokia "thing"...
Link: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html (http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html)
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If only the EU version could work with the standard HPF (Hands Free Profile) that all phones support, cant belive VW could mess the bluetooth bit up so bad.
Must got a bribe from Nokia...
rSAP is technically superior (like the Germans :lipsrsealed:) but obviously hasn't been a big commercial success. Since Apple have been so overwhelmingly successful with the iphone VW need to junk it. They've probably signed up to it for 5 years or something.
That Mobridge solution looks promising and at £349 is priced the same as Fiscon. At least they bothered to get the right steering wheel buttons to work!
Here's the manual - can anyone with Fiscon tell us how it compares function-wise? http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/_imgStoreVirt/resources/mObridge_BT_VW_Manual_V5.pdf (http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/_imgStoreVirt/resources/mObridge_BT_VW_Manual_V5.pdf)
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I think that it is ridiculous that VW still can't integrate an iPhone or Blackberry successfully with the RNS510. We have such strict rules concerning usage of mobile phones while driving that you'd think VW UK would be on top of this by now. I have already contacted Apple about this problem and I'm going to speak to VW UK about it tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on.
The decision not to facilitate Ipods would have been made a long, long time ago by the Mk6 product planners. There must be very good reason, in their minds. It's crazy, I would have happily paid the high list price to get full steering wheel functionality. Shame on the product planners.... I might go for a Mobridge if it has stering wheel functionality (the website doesnt mention anything on the subject, wich probably means it doesnt)...that or FISCON. Are their any other choices out there?
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I think that it is ridiculous that VW still can't integrate an iPhone or Blackberry successfully with the RNS510. We have such strict rules concerning usage of mobile phones while driving that you'd think VW UK would be on top of this by now. I have already contacted Apple about this problem and I'm going to speak to VW UK about it tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on.
What did Apple say?
I also filled in their feedback form and requested rSAP support but i doubt they will add it since it´s seems like a Nokia "thing"...
Link: http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html (http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html)
I sent an email to Apple about an hour ago. I guess it'll be a day or so before I hear back. When I've contacted them before, they've been very good at coming back with reliable answers. I wish i could say the same for VW UK.
MOBRIDGE sounds interesting. I'll check it out. Thanks for that, Mac7.
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I have already contacted Apple about this problem and I'm going to speak to VW UK about it tomorrow. I'll let you know how I get on.
rSAP is a Nokia technology, which means Apple would need to pay for using it. Apple does everything in-house - apparently Steve Jobs is a MASSIVE control freak - so would not want to buy in someone elses tech. Especially Nokias. Plus, no one is going to give up their iphone just because it doesn't talk to their car - and Apple know that.
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I'm getting concerned about Fiscon - I didn't realise you couldn't use the screen for " press 1 for " etc within calls. My local dealer ( Cartronics ) says mObridge has more usuability ie you can select any of your contacts numbers whereas ( he says ) with Fiscon you can only select the lead number in your contacts. He also says that firmware updates can be done at your dealer whereas Fiscon has to go back to Germany - again I don't know if this is true.
Fiscon has the ability to update the firmware. Not sure about multiple numbers under contacts.
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Been Looking Through The mObridge manual and it looks like it fully supports the MFSW and the Iphone. Available from cartronics http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/ (http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/)at £349.00 + Fitting.
User Manual :-
http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/_imgStoreVirt/resources/mObridge_BT_VW_Manual_V5.pdf (http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/_imgStoreVirt/resources/mObridge_BT_VW_Manual_V5.pdf)
Looks a better option than the Fiscon unit or the VW unit to me :smiley:
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Mobridge it is then, full control...nice....audio streaming too...
now I just need the phuckin car, I dont like waiting much....
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Audio streaming sounds poor in my opinion especially since the head unit has so many other ways to listen to music.
I've started leaving a card reader in the car so the kids can plug in their memory cards from their phone as the sound quality is far superior than streaming from the Fiscon Unit.
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yeah your right, streaming aint really that much of a bonus.
the big, big bonus with the Mobridge is full control of the buttons on the streering wheel. I like buttons to do something...
glad to have found Mobridge.
Onlt other thing I'll need is a remap, I wont start looking for that til the car arrives..
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Just read on the Mobridgeinc.com website that they use the Parrot bluetooth, which is pretty much the industry leader. The software can also be updated to support new phones. I've made my choice.
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MoBridge is the way to go for me :smiley: Soon as i get my damm car, Unconfirmed BW6 :angry:
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Mmmm, that looks like a good kit, I`ve ordered a vw touch kit, but thats a dealership option, so wouldnt change the factory order if I cancel it. I also dont fancy having a screen that looks like a sat nav unit in the car, in case I forget to take it off everytime I leave the car.
Does anyone know if this will be a DIY fit?
I`m quite happy pulling the headunit, but if I need to start splicing wires and stuff it may get a bit too scary for me.
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Mobridge unit can be fitted yourself simple job no cutting or spliceing of cables, the only problem is it will need coding to car afterwards with VAG comm, So for what it cost for them to fit and code it, i myself would leave it to them :smiley:
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thats £150 fitting which seems steep..
...Especially if you know someone with VAG-Comm - IIRC theres instructions somewhere on how to enable the Fiscon with Vag-comm, anyone know if this will be the same?
I reckon you local friendly VAG specialist would enable it for a few quid (or free in my case) if you can fit it yourself.
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Thankfully as a private motorist I see bluetooth as an inconvenience rather than a convenience. How dare anyone interrupt my Rush sound track. My mobile is for emergency use only and for that I can stop the car.
I have bluetooth in my current car and have never paired up my phone. Luckily my wife does not know we have bluetooth :laugh:
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My mobile is for emergency use only and for that I can stop the car.
Good advice really.
Luckily my wife does not know we have bluetooth :laugh:
:laugh:
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rSAP is a Nokia technology, which means Apple would need to pay for using it. Apple does everything in-house - apparently Steve Jobs is a MASSIVE control freak - so would not want to buy in someone elses tech. Especially Nokias. Plus, no one is going to give up their iphone just because it doesn't talk to their car - and Apple know that.
I actually read that it´s not a Nokia tech, but that they are the biggest user of it. There is also Blackberry and Siemens phones that support it, but Nokia seem to big the big player in the rSAP community...
/N
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I bought the Fiscon - £300 in the Group Buy section. Tried and tested by many forum members and highly rated.
It seems to be complatible with most phones - and the update is done by the user - not sending it back to Germany... as they have them available for download on their website.
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I tested the multiple numbers under the one contact on the Fiscon.
When it downloads the phonebook to the Fiscon it automatically downloads all the numbers under the one contact so you have them available to you on the touch screen.
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I tested the multiple numbers under the one contact on the Fiscon.
When it downloads the phonebook to the Fiscon it automatically downloads all the numbers under the one contact so you have them available to you on the touch screen.
So if I have 'Dave' with his mobile, work and home numbers under the 1 contact, I can pick which one of his numbers I want to dial on the screen?
Most of my contacts have 2 numbers under the same entry.
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Yes. You will have
Dave
Dave
in your contacts list.
You would just have to press the box at the end of their name to give you the info about which number it is.
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thats £150 fitting which seems steep..
...Especially if you know someone with VAG-Comm - IIRC theres instructions somewhere on how to enable the Fiscon with Vag-comm, anyone know if this will be the same?
I reckon you local friendly VAG specialist would enable it for a few quid (or free in my case) if you can fit it yourself.
I just asked my dealer to enable telephone 77 on the CAN gateway while they were doing the PDI. That way I could fit the Fiscon myself as soon I got the car. Its no bother to them as they are in at the software anyway.
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Yes. You will have
Dave
Dave
in your contacts list.
You would just have to press the box at the end of their name to give you the info about which number it is.
Only slight downside is that if you use the Fiscon display in the MFD to make calls, then you'll presented with two Daves as contacts and won't know which is the mobile number and which is the work number, for example. For me, the major drawback is that Fiscon doesn't display the recent calls list from my iPhone (calls made during the day when not connected to Fiscon).
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So, what we're saying here is that even with FISCON, MoBridge or PARROT let alone VW's own telephone preparation, there is nothing that properly synchronises an Apple iPhone or non-rSAP phone with VW's RNS510 SatNAv/ Telephone module, right? If this is correct, then VW needs to get its act together. Smart phones like the APple iPhone are now into their 4th year. I call that "State of the Ark" innovation. What is going on!
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Yes. You will have
Dave
Dave
in your contacts list.
You would just have to press the box at the end of their name to give you the info about which number it is.
Only slight downside is that if you use the Fiscon display in the MFD to make calls, then you'll presented with two Daves as contacts and won't know which is the mobile number and which is the work number, for example. For me, the major drawback is that Fiscon doesn't display the recent calls list from my iPhone (calls made during the day when not connected to Fiscon).
Its not really a hardship if you use the MFD to navigate to the phone book using the Fiscon as you will be presented with two Daves but it doesn't dial blind without showing you the number first. When you select OK on the steering wheel it then presents you with
12345....
DIAL
BACK
with dial already highlighted, you just need to click ok on the steering wheel again.
If its the wrong Dave just go down one and select back and it will present you with the other Dave
56789....
DIAL
BACK
I'm really pleased with the way it integrates with the Sony Ericsson I have. Missed calls, dialled, received all populate on to the fiscon as soon as it connects via bluetooth. It obviously downloads all the details from the phone. When I first installed the Fiscon It even told me on the MFD if I had a new SMS and allowed me to read it and browse through the others. I could also send from previously composed SMS. However I tried looking through my SMS the other day on the MFD and it was old ones from way before Christmas so I don't know if they have to be deleted to make room for new ones!!
It can also have up to 5 mobiles paired with it. So if my Mrs takes the car out she doesn't need to mess about pairing her phone, it happens automatically with all her numbers showing on the 510's display.
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So, what we're saying here is that even with FISCON, MoBridge or PARROT let alone VW's own telephone preparation, there is nothing that properly synchronises an Apple iPhone or non-rSAP phone with VW's RNS510 SatNAv/ Telephone module, right?
Questions:
1. when you say properly synchronises, what features from the phone are you expecting to get on the RNS510? Do you mean things like recent/missed call lists, because fiscon and mobridge seem to do that.
2. From what I'm reading, the Mobridge has at least as good, if not better, functionality than the Fiscon. Have you got some other info or experience of the mobridge?
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From what I read of the mobridge manual it states the same functionality as the VW equipment.
Phone compatibility matrix http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/docs/mObridgeCompatibilityMatrix.pdf
Manual here http://www.mobridge-ipod.co.uk/_imgStoreVirt/resources/mObridge_BT_VW_Manual_V5.pdf
It states on page 5(pdf) or 6 of the manual numbers "The functionality provided by mObridge is identical to the factory telephone for the RNS-510 and RCD-510. You can refer to the respective user manual for your RNS-510 or RCD-510 for further information."
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I was almost about to order the Fiscon, but I think the MoBridge looks better.