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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Awry on 12 December 2009, 23:58
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I'm going insane trying to choose between a GTI and GTD. Problem is the HUGE difference in price. The GTD is 8000 pounds cheaper then the GTI over here. The GTD is actually a bit more expensive then the GTI in Germany. I do prefer petrol but for that amount of money I'm leaning towards the GTD. I know I'll have to decide for myself and take the plunge but I'd gladly listen to any experiences. I'm sure there are more people with this issue. Please help. :)
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where are you based? Sounds like a bargin....but think you might have got your numbers mixed up? £8000 difference? yeah right.
Welcome to the site..btw
If you go for a factory order you might have to wait and wait, and wait..like alot of others, my advice is to decide quickly, order it and forget about it....
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I bought my GTI after 20 years of turbo diesels. It doesn't have the mid-range 'shove' of a TD (unless you go for a remap like I did) or, of course the economy, but it's nicer to drive. TBH, if it were my only car, I would probably have got the GTD, but as we have 2 other vehicles in our household (both diesels), the GTI is really only used for pleasure on a sunny afternoon.
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GTI looks and sounds far nicer than the GTD imo. Also what is more expensive to buy will also be worth more in the future. The cost of a car is not the purchase price, but the depreciation you suffer on it when you sell.
Don't get the GTD, you'll always be regretting your decision!
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I'm going insane trying to choose between a GTI and GTD.
You expect an impartial answer, asking on a GTI forum? :laugh:
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where are you based? Sounds like a bargin....but think you might have got your numbers mixed up? £8000 difference? yeah right.
Welcome to the site..btw
If you go for a factory order you might have to wait and wait, and wait..like alot of others, my advice is to decide quickly, order it and forget about it....
We'll it's true. I'm based in Norway. I've not mixed up my numbers. Starting price for a GTI is 458 960,- NOK and for the GTD 383 290,- NOK. Converted to pounds with todays currency that's 48 818 GBP for the GTI and 40 770 GBP for the GTD.
GTI looks and sounds far nicer than the GTD imo. Also what is more expensive to buy will also be worth more in the future. The cost of a car is not the purchase price, but the depreciation you suffer on it when you sell.
Don't get the GTD, you'll always be regretting your decision!
That's a good way to look at it. Makes it easier for me to get the GTI which I really prefer. It's still hard though. I'll decide within this week and just take the plunge. Dealers already have one GTI ready to be picked up but it's red. I was thinking of getting a less flashy colour. :) 4 months to wait is really annoying though.
Thanks for all the comments so far.
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Makes it easier for me to get the GTI which I really prefer.
In that case, get the GTI. The GTD is superb, but you'll always have that niggling feeling that a GTI might have been even better.
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In that case, get the GTI. The GTD is superb, but you'll always have that niggling feeling that a GTI might have been even better.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^+1.
You'll drive past a GTI and go:- :cry:
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I'm going insane trying to choose between a GTI and GTD. Problem is the HUGE difference in price. The GTD is 8000 pounds cheaper
How much is the 1.4 TSi GT in comparison? Really liked the one I drove and only the 9 month wait put me off (have a GTD). For my driving I thought it was as fast as my Mk5 but much cheaper to run...
Hate to think how much a Golf R would cost you! :sad:
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Converted to pounds with todays currency that's 48 818 GBP for the GTI and 40 770 GBP for the GTD.
lol ! Im sorry?
48k for a GTI and 40k for a GTD!? :shocked:
And to think we moaned at the price of the GTI over at 22k. That is insane !
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I won't even consider Golf R as the starting price is 70244,11 GBP over here. :laugh: Base price on a Golf 1,4 TSI 160hk is 32725 GPB.
Anyway I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the 8k more for a GTI to me. It's just so much more money and a GTD is still a good car though GTI will always have a little more excitement to it. My mind changes every day. At the moment I'm thinking maybe go for the more economical GTD now and buy a mk7 GTI when it comes out. This will be my first Golf. :)
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1.4 TSI, FTW! :laugh:
The TSI's running costs are far more reasonable than a GTI, but at least the TSI doesn't run on tight b*stard juice...
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where are you based? Sounds like a bargin....but think you might have got your numbers mixed up? £8000 difference? yeah right.
Welcome to the site..btw
If you go for a factory order you might have to wait and wait, and wait..like alot of others, my advice is to decide quickly, order it and forget about it....
We'll it's true. I'm based in Norway. I've not mixed up my numbers. Starting price for a GTI is 458 960,- NOK and for the GTD 383 290,- NOK. Converted to pounds with todays currency that's 48 818 GBP for the GTI and 40 770 GBP for the GTD.
GTI looks and sounds far nicer than the GTD imo. Also what is more expensive to buy will also be worth more in the future. The cost of a car is not the purchase price, but the depreciation you suffer on it when you sell.
Don't get the GTD, you'll always be regretting your decision!
That's a good way to look at it. Makes it easier for me to get the GTI which I really prefer. It's still hard though. I'll decide within this week and just take the plunge. Dealers already have one GTI ready to be picked up but it's red. I was thinking of getting a less flashy colour. :) 4 months to wait is really annoying though.
Thanks for all the comments so far.
Wow, I stand corrected, I imagine the petrol powered GTI gets taxed more than the deisel?
The difference is quite shocking; £8000+ compared to the £565 here in the UK.
I feel for you, as the saying goes, there's always someone else out there in a worse position......
£48800 Norway
£23015 England
£14900 USA
I hope you get paid handsomely....
With a 50% increase in mpg, the GTD makes good sense, £8000+ in your pocket and a 35% saving in fuel...it would be a no brainer for me...
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£488000 Norway
Half a million quid? no ta! :laugh:
£23015 England
I imagine 'Great Britain', or 'The UK is more apt, or do Irish, Welsh & Scottish customers just not get to buy a GTI? :rolleyes:
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I think I'd happily settle for the GTD if I was in your position Awry.
I can't say the 1.4TSI would light my fire in Golf guise, maybe that engine in a lighter car such as the Ibiza Cupra but the Golf is a heavy old bus. I know its torque figure on paper is quite reasonable but with all that weight to drag around it would have to be the 2.0 turbos for me.
Do they sell a 4motion mk6 anywhere other than the R? A 2.0 TDI 4motion would be quite a handy tool with a dash of ECU tweaking. :smug:
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£488000 Norway
Half a million quid? no ta! :laugh:
£23015 England
I imagine 'Great Britain', or 'The UK is more apt, or do Irish, Welsh & Scottish customers just not get to buy a GTI? :rolleyes:
I am sure AWRY understands clearly the use of England. Both are correct, I'm not sure AWRY would understand 'quid' though, perhaps pounds would be more apt.
Anyway, back on subject £488000 or not the GTD option seems a winner to me.
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I can't say the 1.4TSI would light my fire in Golf guise, maybe that engine in a lighter car such as the Ibiza Cupra but the Golf is a heavy old bus. I know its torque figure on paper is quite reasonable but with all that weight to drag around it would have to be the 2.0 turbos for me.
I briefly drove a 1.4 Scirocco and it was really quite quick. Like the GTD, it doesn't sound like the GTI or have the same grip at speed but otherwise excellent. Main problem is that it's hard to find one to test drive - the Scirocco I drove sold a couple of hours after I drove it and I couldn't fine a Golf GT 160 at any local dealers...
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Norway pay 125% tax don't they?
A £10,000 car here would cost £25,000 in Norway.
I was over there a couple of weeks ago staying with my mate who works there. He said they have ludicrous taxes on cars as they want people to use public transport.
If the public transports over here was like it was in Oslo, I'd get a bus / tram to work every day :wink:
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Norway pay 125% tax don't they?
A £10,000 car here would cost £25,000 in Norway.
I was over there a couple of weeks ago staying with my mate who works there. He said they have ludicrous taxes on cars as they want people to use public transport.
If the public transports over here was like it was in Oslo, I'd get a bus / tram to work every day :wink:
Well regular tax is 25%, but cars have additional taxes for weight, horsepower and Co2. The Co2 part is almost negligible compared to weight and horsepower. Go figure :P It just doesn't make sense to me.
Here's the summary for taxes on a GTI I've configured:
MVA: 7912 GBP (Regular 25% tax on the car + equipment)
Weight: 5762 GBP
Motor: 14625 GBP (69,6 GBP per horse. Main reason the GTD is so much cheaper)
Co2: 2953 GBP
SUM: 31252 GBP
So my GTI is going to cost just abit over 54000 GBP. Some of it actually goes to VW. haha
Anyway enough nagging on my part. Good news is that I've decided. It's going to be a GTI! It's a bad economical decision. This one was decided by heart!
There are two more options I'm unsure about. Manual or DSG. I have to say I was set on a manual but after trying the DSG I'm quite impressed. The other thing is which color. I think I'm going for deep black or carbon grey.
Must have list:
Bi-Xenon's (Standard on GTI/GTD in Norway)
Winter pack (Standard ofc! haha)
Alarm
Media-in
RCD510 + Dynaudio
Darker windows at the back
Sunroof
DCC
18" Detriot
Not sure:
Phone bluetooth (What kind of antenna do I get on the roof? With and without this pack)
Parkingsensors (Do I get non-functional "dimples" on the fenders if I don't take this?)
Thanks for the help so far guys. I promise to get pics up the day I pick it up at the dealers. I've read that pictures is a must on this forum. It's going to be my first brand new car! Too bad I'll have to wait 4 months for it but at least the salt on the road is gone. :D
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Most uk spec cars on the MK 6 don't have Ariel's unless you have the sat nav!, not even the DAB and for bluetooth no Antenna required
No dimples on the bumpers : :wink:
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I have got vw phone kit, no sat nav, no dab and mine came with a black gloss sharkfin ariel :undecided:
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I have got vw phone kit, no sat nav, no dab and mine came with a black gloss sharkfin ariel :undecided:
Got the phone kit myself. I think the rear heated window is my areil?, better to have the fin than the big pointy thing :rolleyes:
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Contract signed yesterday! :grin:
I ended up with this configuration:
Golf GTI Carbon Grey 4 door (same price as the 2 door)
DSG
DCC
Adaptive Bi-Xenons
Sunroof
18" Detriot
RCD510 with Dynaudio
Media-in iPod
Cruise Control
Winter Pack
Flat tyre indicator
Can't wait to get my car. I'm probably getting the car in April according to the dealer. It will probably be the first mk6 GTI I'll see on the roads. They are quite rare over here compared to the UK. Perfect timing as well as I'm going on a road trip to southern Europe this summer. :)
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I have got vw phone kit, no sat nav, no dab and mine came with a black gloss sharkfin ariel :undecided:
I have the VW phone kit too and I was told that this results in the sharkfin aerial (the car uses it as an external aerial for the phone). I have no DAB nor Sat Nav either.
Nice spec Awry :cool: Just remember to get some winter tyres as I believe you get lots of snow in Norway... some of the cars here in Scotland are struggling with the snow and ice.... note that the DSG won't start from 2nd gear, even in manual mode.... and there is no "snow" mode!
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Nice spec Awry :cool: Just remember to get some winter tyres as I believe you get lots of snow in Norway... some of the cars here in Scotland are struggling with the snow and ice.... note that the DSG won't start from 2nd gear, even in manual mode.... and there is no "snow" mode!
Thanks :) We'll actually I live in the southwest so there's not a lot of snow. If we get snow at all it usually lasts for about a week but still I wouldn't dare to drive here without winter tyres during winter.
It's only been a week since I ordered and already it feels like ages ago. Dammit this is going to be a LONG wait. :(
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I think I'm going to get my confirmation on the build week soon and it'll be too late to change my spec. There are still 3 options I'm considering changing.
White, Deep Pearl Black, Reflex Silver, Carbon Grey.
Leather or Cloth
5 or 3 door
I really do not need the rear doors. I'm currently driving a 3 serie sedan and the last time someone used the rear doors is half a year ago. The only thing that really pushed me to choose 5-door is the fact that the 3-door cost exactly the same and It'll probably be easier to sell the 5-door. I do like the look of the 3-door better though.
I've already read every single post about these options and I know in the end it's up to me but a friendly comment or shove is welcomed. Hell I'll even take a rugby shove to finalize my choices. haha
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that has gone through this "waiting and wondering about options"-phase. :P I keep changing my mind while drooling at pics.
Right now I'm actually liking reflex silver. It wasn't one of my top colors when I ordered. Front looks very nice. The contrast you get when picking the lighter colors shows the details more. Since I'm getting Xenon and LED rear lights as default silver may not be too boring.
So at this very moment Reflex Silver 3 door looks nice to me. I may even trade sunroof for leather.
Here's the pic that made me like Reflex Silver btw
(http://homepage.mac.com/hans.magnus/.Public/Silver.jpg)
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There are still 3 options I'm considering changing.
White, Deep Pearl Black, Reflex Silver, Carbon Grey.
Leather or Cloth
5 or 3 door
Opinions on spec are totally subjective.... but here's my 2p:-
Colour
White is a far far too common colour now, also it's a total pig to keep clean. I think the grey is really subtle, and rather nice.
Leather or cloth
Cloth
3/5 Door
I think the 3-door looks better. If you don't need five doors, why bother?
Don't worry about a couple of hundred of quid in resale value, enjoy your car! :afro:
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Awry - I think you should go for 5 door if you are worried at all about residuals. The mark 6 gti really is a practical family car particularly due to the improvements in mpg, and every magazine in the world saying what a great all rounder it is. I think the 5 door looks good it is easy to dump stuff on the back seats and you can also get out of the car in a car park with less chance of damaging yourself let alone your brand new pride and joy :wink: My family has had 3 and 5 doors golfs and would never to back to 3 doors.
PS I take it the LED tail lights are going to after market or have I missed something?
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Thanks a lot for sharing your views.
I've decided and this is final. I hope... :rolleyes:
Reflex Silver: I've chosen this over my original choice of Carbon Grey because I was missing the contrast between the paint and black grille. White was my second option to get better contrast and it looks awesome on the GTI, but there have been a lot of new white cars sold in Norway lately and I prefer metallic paint.
3-door: Purely due to looks and feel. I rarely have passengers at the back and I also like that the side view is better. Hard to describe but I feel more "wrapped" inside the car which I like. Maybe due to the window shape.
Cloth: I kept this option. It was 50/50 between cloth and leather.
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^^^^ Sounds nice! :afro:
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I think I'm going to get my confirmation on the build week soon and it'll be too late to change my spec. There are still 3 options I'm considering changing.
White, Deep Pearl Black, Reflex Silver, Carbon Grey.
Leather or Cloth
5 or 3 door
I really do not need the rear doors. I'm currently driving a 3 serie sedan and the last time someone used the rear doors is half a year ago. The only thing that really pushed me to choose 5-door is the fact that the 3-door cost exactly the same and It'll probably be easier to sell the 5-door. I do like the look of the 3-door better though.
I've already read every single post about these options and I know in the end it's up to me but a friendly comment or shove is welcomed. Hell I'll even take a rugby shove to finalize my choices. haha
I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that has gone through this "waiting and wondering about options"-phase. :P I keep changing my mind while drooling at pics.
Right now I'm actually liking reflex silver. It wasn't one of my top colors when I ordered. Front looks very nice. The contrast you get when picking the lighter colors shows the details more. Since I'm getting Xenon and LED rear lights as default silver may not be too boring.
So at this very moment Reflex Silver 3 door looks nice to me. I may even trade sunroof for leather.
Here's the pic that made me like Reflex Silver btw
(http://homepage.mac.com/hans.magnus/.Public/Silver.jpg)
I'd go for white although it's getting a popular it looks stunning and doesn't cost extra (or carbon grey rather than Silver)
I'd get a 3 door if you don't need the five door as it just looks a bit nicer (i'm getting a 5-dr as i have kids)
Ditch the sunroof their rubbish, never liked them ! Leather is nice if you have the cash i suppose but the standard seats are also very nice and saves you £1800.
Xenons look great definately get those.
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I truly wonder why you find the sunroof rubbish...
I reckon myself to be a sunroof-expert by now ...simply because I had them all...meaning Webasto and Hollandia and all the standard factory ones...on BMW/Audi/Alfa/Chrysler you name it...and guess what...
I find the roof on the GTI the best so far...not the widest to get open but definitely the one making the less noise even at 120 km an hour very comfortable... :cool:
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I truly wonder why you find the sunroof rubbish...
I reckon myself to be a sunroof-expert by now ...simply because I had them all...meaning Webasto and Hollandia and all the standard factory ones...on BMW/Audi/Alfa/Chrysler you name it...and guess what...
I find the roof on the GTI the best so far...not the widest to get open but definitely the one making the less noise even at 120 km an hour very comfortable... :cool:
I think it's maybe just me ! I've never liked them i always close them and then pull the blind over as i just prefer it without the glare of the sun comming in.
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That is certainly a valid preference... :wink:
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[quote author=Awry link=topic=137586.msg1244800#msg1244800 date=1260662325
Hi Awry.
Some late help.
Colour:
I like your choice of Reflex Silver. Very sedate.
Black a default choice. Hence part of the pack.
White is now getting too common. Wonderful when clean which is not too often.
I have ordered mine in Tornado Red. Love the brightness which makes our grey English days more acceptable. Also, needs much less washing.
Sunroof: Don't bother. Always noisy at speed, reduces chassis rigidity, slight weight increase (possibly), really affects the acoustics of your sound system due to too much reverberation so you will always have to pull the blind.
Leather: Looks old and worn in a month, not as comfortable as cloth, Tartan cloth pattern so GTi, black leather so depressing, does not cosset one as much as cloth.
DSG: Don't waste money on a 6 speeder now as a 7 speeder will be out in 6-9 months. Also, the manual provides a better driving experience on the GTi at least, but not on the R.
ACC: a must.
Wheels: 18 inch Monza Shadow wheels a must for the genuine GTi look.
Don't waste money on options you don't need or use.
That is it.
Enjoy!
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This is an easy one.
You like silver - therefore buy silver. I agree silver looks pretty cool :cool:
You like the look of 3 dr and don't need 5 drs - therefore buy a 3 dr
You've not expressed a preference between cloth or leather, but you were worried about residuals - therefore choose cloth to save over a grand.
On the whole though, get what you want, and forget residuals. Why buy something that doesn't make you happy?! :shocked:
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An update...
We'll as you have read previously in this thread I decided to change my order. The changes were 5 to 3-door, reflex silver and I added a spare tire and bluetooth. In Norway the 3 and 5-door cost the same which is stupid to begin with. The local private dealer just steals more money if you get the 3-door over here. Anyway you would think that they only added the extras to the original price.
Two weeks later after I changed my order I receive a mail with the new contract. £1500 more expensive then my original contract. Now that's a damn expensive spare tire and bluetooth. Those two extras should only cost £550. VAT had increased in Norway over new years eve. As if my £57k golf wasn't expensive enough...haha. Anyway...my original contract stated the dealer would pay for the VAT increase. I can't understand why they can't do it with the updated contract. I sent them a "nice" email back.
I got an answer the day after which is quite funny as it usually takes a week or two. "You will OF COURSE only pay for the added extras". That was a relief but the dealer used the same "OF COURSE" in the first mail when they added the VAT increase that I was guaranteed not to pay for. This makes me NOT trust my dealer as it seems they try to squeeze you for more money in every possible way and hope you won't care to answer to them. My good old trustworthy BMW dealer was so much better and helpful. I'll definitely take that into account for my next car purchase. This is the first time I've bought anything other than a BMW so it's a new experience not having the same level of service. The BMW dealer is owned by BMW so there's no middle man and it shows. It's way better then the privately owned dealer that sells VW/Audi/Skoda. Is it the same in the UK?
I'm sure I'll be happy with my GTI when I finally get it but servicing it at the VW dealer might be a bad experience. I hope I'm wrong.