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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: philsimo on 12 December 2009, 15:35
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what do you all think of the st3 in comparison to the mk5 gti any of you driven one how do they compare.Have a gti myself but i do like the look of the st3 what you all think.
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Pics? Links?
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Oh its just a normal ST?
Brilliant engine, and better handling car. But it feels bigger and its not as quick as the GTI. Also very poor economy. GTI is better for me
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had the ST2 for just over a year before I got my golf very nice car but like smartypants said they harn't has fast has the GTi, they do need a remap to reap the rewards. The engine is one of the best and the noise is some thing else especially with a decat, milltek and gen 2 induction, sounds like an old audi UR quattro rally car. :evil:
Darren
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its a Ford, need I say more. :laugh:
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What 2007gti said!!!!! :smiley:
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Out of frustration I walked into the Ford dealership when looking for a GTI :grin:
When the lacky finally came to see me, asking how he could help, I replied with, "Well, you can't be as inept as those w@nkers over there" (pointing to the adjacent VW dealership)
"got any STs in?"
Salesman faffed about, and said he could get one, but I would have to pay to see it.....
Needless to say, I walked out.
Drew the line at going into the BMW dealership though!!!! :grin: :grin:
Dan
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Driven a few. As already said, sound great with awesome engine, but thirsty (22-26mpg).
Handling sharper, but not as refined. Great seats (only 4 in the ST3), but feels ordinary compared to the Golf (it is only a Ford). The lower models (ST1 & ST2) miss out on some useful kit, like ESP, auto wipers/lights etc that come std on the Golf.
I'd say it was faster, though (does have 222bhp as standard). A great car, but not as good an all-rounder as the Golf.
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Found the focus ST rolled in corners and not as direct handling or give you the confidence to chuck it into bends.
Only thing i liked about it was the engine/exhaust note over the std GTi music.
Milltek soon addressed that issue on my Ed30.
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I'm afraid you won't get a very objective answer on a GTI's owners' forum! :laugh:
Most of us would have looked and - and quickly dismissed - the ST's before we settled on our cars. :nerd:
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Hi mate, just like to say that its complete rubbish the st3 being slower than the golf! I owned an st3 for a year before swapping to the gti! The focus is so much faster standard than the golf, the golf needs a remap to get it on its toes! Where as if you remap stage 1 a st3 you would still hammer the golf( i remapped mine and it was a monster) you would need a good stage 2 gti to beat a stage 1 st3! I know this because my friend had an st3 aswell and we went head to head, me stage 1 gti him stage 1 st 3, i think the engine is awsome bullet proof but the car itself lacks in build quality to the golf and handling is much much better on the golf! I dont no what people are on about! Ide say it was a good car to have very powerful and very comfortable but ide saythe golf is a all round better car! Hense why i changed!
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The ST was on my list along with the R26, Cooper S & Type R
The main thing that put me off the ST was the economy, isnt it similar to the R32?
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I'd say the Golf is a better all round car!
That's usually why GTI owners pick GTI's... :laugh:
After I'd looked at the facts, the ownership prospects and the intangibles of the GTI, it just seemed to make it a bit more special and an appealing prospect to own and drive... TO ME, at any rate.
Plus, I didn't grow up with an ST poster on the wall; I wanted a MKII 'big-bumper' Golf GTI :smug:
The ST was on my list along with the R26, Cooper S & Type R
Exactly the same list as I drew up. :wink:
The main thing that put me off the ST was the economy, isnt it similar to the R32?
I was more put off by the fit/finish of the ST and perceived image... [flame suit, on!!!! :evil:]
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When it comes to looks, the GTI wins hands down. You could park the GTI outside a stately home and it looks like the owners are in.
You park the ST outside and it looks like its getting robbed.
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To the OP........
whatcar.com do a car comparison tool that let's you put up to three cars side by side and deceide on pros/cons.
That was just one tool I used in making my decision.
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When it comes to looks, the GTI wins hands down. You could park the GTI outside a stately home and it looks like the owners are in.
You park the ST outside and it looks like its getting robbed.
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When it comes to looks, the GTI wins hands down. You could park the GTI outside a stately home and it looks like the owners are in.
You park the ST outside and it looks like its getting robbed.
:grin: :laugh:
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Oh i forgot the running costs! They are terrible on the st3! Its the r32 of the focus range lol
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When it comes to looks, the GTI wins hands down. You could park the GTI outside a stately home and it looks like the owners are in.
You park the ST outside and it looks like its getting robbed.
Oooooohhhhhhhh :shocked: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Don't know about the ST3 but a work mate has just got himself a new Focus RS. Have to admit that it is one beefy car. Total in your face car and definitely not as subtle as the GTI. I was only a passenger but it was rapid, sounded real mean and ride/handling was very good. Just a pity that the RS does not have the same quality/luxury feel to it compared to the GTI. Put a smile on my face though. Made me wish that my GTI had all those qualities.
Sorry it's not relevant but just had to share it.
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Both good cars.
The Ford steers better, of course.
If you are over 40 then the VW every time.
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Both good cars.
The Ford steers better, of course.
If you are over 40 then the VW every time.
feed me feed me feed me, f**king crack head!
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I bought my 2.8 in 1998, new. Smashing little car, but two years ago it started to hurt my back, so it has stayed in the garage, SORNed. I was thinking of selling but decided to have a good look as to why the back pain (I assumed it was the seat). I found the clutch pedal was not hitting the little plastic clutch stop and streching my leg (knackered after a prang on a motorcycle years ago). An offcut of wood taped to the back of the clutch pedal now acts as a perfect clutch stop. Result I'm back in the roadster and loving it more than ever.
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I bought my 2.8 in 1998, new. Smashing little car, but two years ago it started to hurt my back, so it has stayed in the garage, SORNed. I was thinking of selling but decided to have a good look as to why the back pain (I assumed it was the seat). I found the clutch pedal was not hitting the little plastic clutch stop and streching my leg (knackered after a prang on a motorcycle years ago). An offcut of wood taped to the back of the clutch pedal now acts as a perfect clutch stop. Result I'm back in the roadster and loving it more than ever.
This week i have been mostly eating yogurt
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LOL
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I have a ST2 with Dreamscience remap (£250 2nd hand - can be used on 5 cars) - this has 5 maps which you download via a handset - 260bhp - 275bhp and 340lb/ft
The car is rapid with the remap but as standard it felt restricted compared to last car - TT225 with CC remap
The ST has 3 electronic steering settings via the stalk, looks sporty exterior wise, interior has 3 gauges which are useful (oil temp/ oil pressure/ boost), has comfy recaro seats, ST2 and ST3 has ESP, Xenons, heated front screen, etc
As mentioned they are thirsty, mine as standard and remapped averages 24mpg around town but with the car on boost listening to the noise it's worth it
I was thinking of looking at a Leon FR TFSi but think i might regret changing?