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Model specific boards => Golf mk4 => Topic started by: Pikemonster on 24 July 2003, 23:55
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Hi all,
I'm considering buying a 3yr old 2.3 V5 ?9,995 22K miles. Would I be better off with a 1.8GTI Turbo?
Which one is more fun?
Grateful for any advice.
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The V5 is smoother but i've heard its quite a bit heavier on fuel, and they get a little smokey with age. the engines as far as i've heard, dont have that vw 'engine gets better with age' tradition.
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Agre with Pimpster, V5 is a lazy cruiser whereas a 1.8T is a lot more racy.
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1.8T, Lots of potential, Buy one ;D
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The new golf 1.8T with 180bhp is quicker tha nthe V5, but it costs more than ?10k of course.
See if you can stretch to one.
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Just got a 1.8T (180bhp) , feels alot quicker than the Pug 106Gti i used to have. Now it's got 18"s Milles Evo 5 & a drop of 30mm with Eibach's springs, Lexus rear lights looks like the mute's nuts now. Get the 1.8T (180) you won't regret it.
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Well my Audi has the 2.3 20V 5 cylinder engine and there is no doubt about it, it will whip my cabrio! It just isn't very responsive in first gear up to 4000 rpm, but once it achieves 4000rpm its like a rocket. Really good for motorway driving/overtaking etc., but the Golf is more fun as it has that 'scaletrix' feel with the accelerator.....if you know what I mean?
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golfvr6 you're wrong. You can get the 180bhp golf now as standard and its not an anniversary cos i just bought one! Got it in May this year. 0 - 60 in about 7.5 seconds. Thats good enough for me, for now anyway!
VW hasn't advertised it much, but you can see it now in their price lists!
I think it's about a grand cheaper than the anniversary, but i bit more than the other 150bhp.
With a REVO mod on it, you can get it up to between 210 and 220 bhp! All that for another 400 squids.
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hi there i have just bought a v5 and trust me the car drives the biz and the feel of those 5 cyl is noticable its like driving a golf with a bmw 6 cly feel and is very good on fuel go for it mate you wont regret it
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The v5 should be good, not that much smaller than my vr6. Same 15 degree V engine.
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1.8 turbo will be the best buy ive got one and my mate had a v5 and mine slaughters it and ther is a few people saying buying 180 bhp dont because if you go down to extreme they will fit you a baileys dump valva for ?200 and it sounds great and also for ?513 they will fit you a super chip witch will gain you 55bhp bringing you to 205bhp and when you come roaring up the v5 bum and give the dump valve little whip and fly off they dont know whats hit them.
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1.8 turbo will be the best buy ive got one and my mate had a v5 and mine slaughters it and ther is a few people saying buying 180 bhp dont because if you go down to extreme they will fit you a baileys dump valva for ?200 and it sounds great and also for ?513 they will fit you a super chip witch will gain you 55bhp bringing you to 205bhp and when you come roaring up the v5 bum and give the dump valve little whip and fly off they dont know whats hit them.
we are talkiing about standard cars here mate if i had all those mods on my v5 i would whip your arse and you wouldnt know what hit you ;D
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Can probably get a bolt on supercharger kit for the v5.
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I made some comment about this in another thread, but heres my take on it anyway. The original Golf V5 2.3 was 150bhp, same as the original 1.8T. In summer this year a I swapped my 1.8t 150 with my mates v5 150 for the night. I enjoyed the test, but overal we both agreed that the 1.8t is sharper, whereas the 2.3's delivery is more 'cruisy'.
On the plus side for the V5, it does have more standard kit from the factory than a 1.8t, the W reg (2000) one I drove had boot mounted 6CD player, Climate control, centre arm rest and the anti dazzle auto dipping mirror. My previous W reg 2000 1.8t GTi had the 6CD boot changer and the climate, but only because I added them from an options list. Also the V5 has that fantastic sounding howl, very V6-ish, I couldnt resist revving it in neutral at traffic lights to hear it! Haha
It all comes down to what you want, do you make long journeys, need comfort etc?
The 1.8t can be taken from 150 - 200+ BHP quite cheaply, but to tune a 150 2.3 I'm sure it would be much more expensive.
The current V5 is 170bhp, but then the current 1.8T is available at 180bhp, so again it just depends what you want from your car.
I'd always take the 1.8t, for tunability, drivability and the better shocks, recaro seats etc (plus I do a lot of mileage and still find it a comfortable car)
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I appreciate that the 180bhp SHOULD be quicker than the 150bhp 1.8T BUT!!!
I was out in my 150bhp 1.8T with my brother in law and he was in his Seat Leon Cupra 180bhp 1.8T with 20000 miles on the clock, And for a laugh we had a little race, and no word of a lie I was stuck to his arse all the way down the A404 and I had to pull off at 120mph because my misses started crying (dosent like speed) Either his car is'nt running very well or my car has been re-maped before I got hold of it.
Any sugestions :-\
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OH And MR VR5 I have slaughtered a V5 in my STANDARD 1.8T
A 1.8T would have F@#ked off before the V5 even reached 3500rpm ;D
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A standard v5 and 1.8t will have fairly similar performance.
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the t's the better motor
if not just for the power/weight ratio
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I appreciate that the 180bhp SHOULD be quicker than the 150bhp 1.8T BUT!!!
I was out in my 150bhp 1.8T with my brother in law and he was in his Seat Leon Cupra 180bhp 1.8T with 20000 miles on the clock, And for a laugh we had a little race, and no word of a lie I was stuck to his arse all the way down the A404 and I had to pull off at 120mph because my misses started crying (dosent like speed) Either his car is'nt running very well or my car has been re-maped before I got hold of it.
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Well Sijunior from my experiences the 180 engine on the road is definately quicker. I had a 1999 and a 2000 150 1.8t and was happy with them, then a guy at work got a 180 Leon Cupra and it was noticeably quicker and made the 150 feel a little flat. I still preffered the Golf due to the better quality and far nicer dashboard/stereo/climate control unit. I got my 180 Gti in June this year and have been very pleased with it, again much sharper acceleration than the 150. So either your mate doesn't know how to rev his Cupra(!) or your car has been remap'd.
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I would still go for the v5, similar performance. I think there is still a question mark over how long these turbos are going to last, especially with everyone revving the nuts off of them. Costs could get high if the turbo goes wrong. Depends how long you want to keep the car.
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i think the days of killing your turbo are long gone, leave that to the old skool rs turbo/cossie/renault5 turbo brigade, these new 20v turbo engines are far superior units as a whole, and even if your turbo does go bang (and i think youd have to neglect servicing, and crank the boost right up to do so) or gets a bit smokey (seals) its not gonna be that dear to get a re-con unit, how many cars are these used in throughout the vw/audi/seat/skoda range? quite alot! i dont think cost is a major issue if ya fit a new one yourself,
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I don't know about that mate, i can't see turbos being that cheap. I agree the new turbos are probably much more durable, but they won't last forever.
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i paid for a recon turbo on my rs escort and fiesta years ago i seem to remember they were only about ?275 exchange, not bad considering the hammer they were getting!!, think the new ones should stick it a bit longer, i think if you have a turbo every 3 years your doing well, and i wouldnt grumble havin to pat probably ?350 evry 2or3 years for the performance you get they are well worth it
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Still not as good as the v6 :-*
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was this topic about the v6???? ;D
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What the torque figures for the 1.8T and V5?
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hold on just looking in vw brochure,,.........
right,
work this out,
150bhp 1.8 turbo, 155/210 lbs.ft/Nm
180bhp 1.8 turbo, 173/235
170bhp 2.3 v5, 162/220
that what there quoting from vw
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Quite close then.
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yep id say there close!
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Don't forget the V5 is a heavier car, power to wieght ratio and all that, I seem to remember Jeremy Clarkson doing a thing on Golf GTI's and had a little race going on down a 1/4 Mile strip he used a range of Golf's from all MK's all standard. The first across the finish line was the VR6, 0.2 Sec's behind that was the 1.8T(150) and I think a MK2 16v was 3rd, the guy's driving these car's were probably experienced racer's so regardless of power, I think its all down to wieght and the driver
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Having thought about it, the VR6 shouldn,t have been in the race because its not a GTI
:-\Fair Dues
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I have a 1.8 GTi turbo and its clearly better cus you can do more mods to it!! ;D
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dont have a turbo model but would agree with you there the amount of extras from re-mapping, dump valves and other little bit and bobs is alot greater than the list of stuff available tfor the v5, hey not saying its a bad car or nowt guy!! ;D
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Along similar lines to original thread, but anyone got any good or bad stories about a V6 4 motion. Like the thought of one when (and if ) I replace my mk3 GTI......and when the piggy bank grows!!
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well i have an r32 and noT alot of mods need doing to it as it is sweet anywAY. 18's as stadard ;D
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Git :D
I'd take the V5, mainly as Autocar said a V5 on sports suspension handles better than the GTi Turbo, a sentiment backed up by evo and Car magazine.
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I still think a normally aspirated engine will last longer. Only time will tell.. 8)
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Right then ladies- cards on the table whats going to tempt me out of my VR6 and blow my socks off ? R32's dont apply cos still pricey.
V5,1.8t,V6 4-motion?
Let battle commence! ;D
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1.8t gti as cheap but still a good car ;)
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What about a PD? :o
My PD 150 has more torque than the V5, the 1.8t and the V6 4motion.
In terms of tuning, with a ?350 gizmo you can have 190 bhp and 270-odd lb ft of torque.
It will also be cheaper to run than the others, with economy at twice what any of the others will achieve under hard driving.
I alsways think that the 0-60 time is a fairly useless benchmark in ascertaiing a cars performance, I prefer in-gear times. Compare a PD150 with any of the others on this and you'll see just how quick they are.
Well worth a test drive. ;)
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always forget about the deisels!!! ;D, but a good alternative!, the way things are going alot of performance cars are gonna be burning the thick stuff, they are bloody quick!!! ;D
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just remortgage your house a bit and get a R32 youll have a massive smile!!!! even when your monthly payment goes up!! its got to be worth it! :o ;Dhe he he