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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Rolfe on 26 November 2009, 22:11
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OK, I suppose it's funny now....
This morning I had to go up to the farm to teach some students to wrestle sheep (don't ask). I had some gear in the boot of the car, and after I'd parked up I took the stuff out and went over to the sheep pens. Knowing the place was otherwise pretty deserted I just left the key in the ignition, as I didn't want to stuff the whole keyring into my pocket. An hour or so later I came back, gear and all, and tried to open the boot to put the stuff back in.
No dice. Boot locked.
I opened the door, and found I had to remove the key from the ignition to press the fob to let me into the boot. Did that, but by now my keyring is in my (tiny frozen) hand. I opened the boot and tossed the keyring on the floor of the boot before turning to pick up the stuff I had to load, and wash my wellies to keep the inside of the car clean. Having done that, I slammed the boot shut, and went to get back into the car and drive off.
Oops, left keyring in boot.
Double-oops, boot has relocked itself!
The only bit of the car that would open was the driver's door. I couldn't even get into the back seat. Bloody five-door! I had to take of the wet and still a bit dirty wellies, then in my stocking feet crawl between the two front seats on to the back seat, and dislodge the parcel shelf. I was then able, with some difficulty, to reach into the boot and retrieve the keyring.
Now I can't get the rear passenger courtesy light to switch off.
I'm not entirely enchanted by this episode. If I'd been even slightly disabled, or fatter, I probably couldn't have done it. I'd have had to go and beg one of the students to have a go, I suppose. If it had been a saloon car, I'd have been screwed.
It's a long time since I was locked out of a car. One of the things I liked about my last car was that it was impossible to lock yourself out. The car had to be actively locked from outside, no exceptions. Is there any way to alter the settings on the Golf so that it doesn't do this? I don't want to have to keep taking the key out of the ignition every time I happen to want to get into the boot, and I especially don't want the boot to lock itself if there is even the slightest possibility that the keys might be inside it.
Rolfe.
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It's possible, but messing with the factory security systems isn't good for your warranty or your insurance cover.
You can enable auto unlock though, which pops all the locks open when you take the key out of the ignition. Usually used alongside autolock (deadlocks all doors when vehicle reaches 10mph)
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Rolfe, why didn't you just pop all your doors open via the switch on the drivers door and get in the back seats that way?
Ask your dealer to get out the VAG.COM and set all the doors so that they don't auto lock, i'm sure it can be done? I had mine set so that one click unlocks all doors and when I drive off all the doors lock.
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I didn't realise there was a way to unlock all the doors from the driver's door. I've never had a 5-door before. That would have made it a fair bit easier, right enough. I'd still have had to crawl over the back seat and through the parcel shelf though, unless there's a switch that opens the boot as well.
I'm getting quite hacked off by the way the boot never seems to be unlocked when I arrive with an armful of stuff. I'm used to a car with central locking, one click of the fob unlocked the lot, and another click of the same button locked them. So the boot was always unlocked unless the entire car was locked up, and it was impossible to leave one's only key inside a locked car. But now, even though my doors are open, and my key might even be in the ignition, the bloody boot always seems to be locked and then I have to go and find the key just to get the boot open. Then it goes and locks itself again the minute I shut it!
I appreciate the way VW seems to offer more options, and the idea of having door unlock once you're going over 10mph is logical, but I have to say I'm not a happy camper with the default setting. I'd be quite happy to go back to all open (including boot) and please stay like that till I lock them again.
Anybody know exactly what options are actually available?
Rolfe.
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i agree with gossa, it's easy to say in hindsight but if you'd have pressed the button on the drivers door you could have got in the back doors, and i would have probably gone through the armrest opening instead of moving the parcel shelf. come to think of it, doesn't the button on the drivers door unock the boot too? oh and what's withteaching students to wrestle sheep? sorry i couldn't help it! :grin:
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I still dont get the parcel shelf thing, dont you have folding rear seats? :tongue:
some coding options for the convenience control unit (ill probably miss some) which can be coded by any monkey with vcds-
Autolock - deadlock on all doors/boot once the car goes over 10mph (15kmh) - interior triggers need a double pull to unlock in this state
Auto unlock - all locks pop open when key is removed from ignition barrel (including boot)
Alarm chirp on lock/unlock (2 chirps for unlock, 1 chirp for lock)
single click lock/unlock - locks/unlocks all doors/boot with one press of fob
Daylight running light enable/disable
there are other things you can do with the mfa and some things are still being discovered.. there are probably some new toys in the mk6 noone has found yet! I'm looking at ways of displaying realtime engine data on the mfa.. that will allow all sorts of fancy things - including boost gauge and AFR :cool:
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Topher you've touched on a question i have, can you set the alarm to chirp when you lock/unlock the car in the mfd?
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Not that I'm aware of. Your location says midlands though so just give me a shout when your car arrives if you want any of that stuff done.
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Cool beans! i take it your in Tamworth jugding by your location, i'm not far from j9 m6, i'll def be givin you a pm cheers. :smiley:
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Great story Rolfe!
single click lock/unlock - locks/unlocks all doors/boot with one press of fob
I've had all my VW's changed to this over the last 10 years. Avoids Rolfe's issue too.
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I didn't realise there was a way to unlock all the doors from the driver's door. I've never had a 5-door before.
the clue is the padlock open and padlock shut on the buttons.... :grin:
i suspect it would open the boot as well
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Great story Rolfe!
single click lock/unlock - locks/unlocks all doors/boot with one press of fob
I've had all my VW's changed to this over the last 10 years. Avoids Rolfe's issue too.
I suspect that's what I want it to do. Even if there was an easier way of getting myself out of this morning's hole, I'm fed up pulling on handles and finding the door/boot/whatever doesn't open.
Rolfe.
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I didn't realise there was a way to unlock all the doors from the driver's door. I've never had a 5-door before.
the clue is the padlock open and padlock shut on the buttons.... :grin:
i suspect it would open the boot as well
Possibly, it would have been good even to open the back doors if I'd thought about it. :rolleyes:
Armrest/fold down half a seat? I'm not sure it would have been all that different to dislodging the parcel shelf, which was what I did.
Partly, it's a downside of a pretty new car with an awful lot more buttons and knobs than I've been used to. And it was blowing a gale and my hands were freezing and I had precisely 15 minutes to get ahead of the students and organise the second half of the class and get a coffee (and kill a sheep too though nobody had mentioned that bit by then), so clear and rational thinking wasn't really top of my attributes list at that precise moment.
Basically I don't really like the default, the bits of car that I want open never seem to be open when I want them, and I think I need this single click option. I knew it would be easier to ask here than read the manual....
Rolfe.
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the unlock (padlock) button on the drivers door opens all the doors including the boot :wink:
RTFM :grin:
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(and kill a sheep too though nobody had mentioned that bit by then)
Lamb chops this weekend then, Morag?
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(and kill a sheep too though nobody had mentioned that bit by then)
Lamb chops this weekend then, Morag?
You wouldn't want these ones! Large quantities of pentobarbitone do not a good mutton dinner make! :evil:
Rolfe.
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the unlock (padlock) button on the drivers door opens all the doors including the boot :wink:
RTFM :grin:
Fair enough, I panic too readily! :grin:
Is there no possibility that the car will lock everything on its own, when you might have left the keys inside? It certainly didn't do that this time, and if that button opens the boot too, then it was all entirely my own fault for forgetting it was there. I do slightly worry about it deciding to lock up completely though.
I'm going to get this single-click lock/unlock activated though, I don't have any reason to want some of the doors locked when I'm actually with the car.
And by the way, I still can't turn off the rear passenger courtesy lights. They're still on this morning. What did I do and how do I reverse it? Anyone know?
Rolfe.
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The only time the doors autolock is if you press the remote button but then don't open a door within a certain time frame (about 30s iirc). I'm not sure if the boot counts as one of these doors - so quite simply never EVER put your keys in the boot. This has been a feature/problem since the mk4 days and even more so once they got old enough to have door lock modules start failing which will play havoc with the CCM.
I have all the fancy features and tricks enabled on all my cars but the best one is the "fumble with the fob in your pocket so the keys dont even see daylight when you unlock the car" modification
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Unfortunately I have a longstanding habit of putting my keys in the boot. It beats the mud or the long grass! It was never an issue with the Peugeot, and I had that nearly 12 years, so it's a habit that would be hard to break.
If that door button really does unlock the boot, and it's impossible for it to auto-lock all the doors under circumstances where you might have left the keys inside, it's not a huge issue. I just find the having the boot constantly locking itself even though the doors are unlocked and I have an armful of stuff is a nuisance.
I wish the thing waited a bit longer than 30 seconds to re-lock after remote opening, but I can live with it!
Rolfe.
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Another note of caution,my father in law has a rocco he opened the boot only by using the key fob,he then dropped the keys into the boot and shut the boot 10 mins later he could not get into the car :grin: I had to take him home to get his spare key.You have been warned :grin: :laugh:
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With the mk5 if you open the boot only with the middle button on the fob it will auto lock as soon as you close it.
As Topher says, never leave your keys in the boot.
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Topher you've touched on a question i have, can you set the alarm to chirp when you lock/unlock the car in the mfd?
No, you need VAGCOM for this.
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With the mk5 if you open the boot only with the middle button on the fob it will auto lock as soon as you close it.
As Topher says, never leave your keys in the boot.
That does sound a bit scary, at least I didn't do that. (Not impossible I might have, though.)
If it's set to single-click lock/unlock, will it still do that? I assume it might, if you just used the centre button. However, if it's set for single-click, and you always use the door button to open everything even if it's the boot you actually want, will the doors auto-lock on you?
I suppose I should go try it, but it's chilly out there!
Rolfe.
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I would get rid the golf and get a car you can understand how to operate :wink:
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I'm going to get this single-click lock/unlock activated though, I don't have any reason to want some of the doors locked when I'm actually with the car.
its in the MFD options
And by the way, I still can't turn off the rear passenger courtesy lights. They're still on this morning. What did I do and how do I reverse it? Anyone know?
the manual will know. i suspect it is a little switch near the light? (tip: you can use the rear doors to gain access to the rear seats :laugh:)
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Rolfe, you made me spill my coffee reading this. Priceless.
You should write books with your stories. :laugh:
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Glad I've amused a few people! However, sadly, cars of the 21st century are all probably a bit on the complex side for my simple 20th century mind. Just a learning curve! :grin:
I'm not that daft though, I tried the obvious little switches beside the rear coutesy lights, and they didn't go off. I wonder if there's some other condition like the doors being shut when you switch them? I'm obviously missing something.
Rolfe.
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Glad I've amused a few people! However, sadly, cars of the 21st century are all probably a bit on the complex side for my simple 20th century mind. Just a learning curve! :grin:
I'm not that daft though, I tried the obvious little switches beside the rear coutesy lights, and they didn't go off. I wonder if there's some other condition like the doors being shut when you switch them? I'm obviously missing something.
Rolfe.
Shut the doors first. Sit in the back seat. Fiddle with switches until there's no lights on. Do it before your battery goes flat!
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Its designed like this so that after loading the boot and you walk away to the front of the car to get in it someone coming upto the boot cannot just nick what you just put in it.
Iirc if you press the button on the door twice it opens all the doors and the boot or maybe im thinking of our other VW group product. :undecided:
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Pulling the armrest forward allows access to near enough the whole boot are.
Its a bit of a drama out of a crisis :laugh:
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Pulling the armrest forward allows access to near enough the whole boot are.
Its a bit of a drama out of a crisis :laugh:
I suppose it was, really! I got such a shock when I discovered the boot had locked itself I forgot the button on the door existed. I suspect it would have opened the boot right enough. It's a useful warning though, because it's obvious it can also happen if all the doors are locked and then you're really screwed.
I think going through the parcel shelf was as good as anything to get into the boot, because the keys were right at the back behind a bucket of water and a bottle of disinfectant and assorted bits of oilskin protective clothing, so going over the top had its points.
I still haven't got these courtesy lights right off, in spite of sitting in the back seat with the doors closed and making sure the switches are actually off. They go off when the car's locked, along with the front ones, but when I'm driving they stay on, at least partially, when the front ones go off. They're not very bright and I'm beginning to wonder if they've always been on at that level, but surely it must be possible to switch them off?
Rolfe.
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That's a strange thing for courtesy lights to do.. quick phone call to your dealer maybe?
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Sounds like there might be an electrical problem there Rolfe - maybe a faulty door switch or a bad earth somewhere. The dealer will be able to sort it out.
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Perhaps an hour with the manual might be an hour well spent?
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Perhaps an hour with the manual might be an hour well spent?
I already did that, but maybe before I knew what I needed to know. :sad:
[/Rumsfeld]
Rolfe.
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Just checked. As others have suggested, it's definitely possible to lock yourself out good and proper. I opened the boot using the centre button while the car was parked and locked up. Put some stuff in and (making damn sure the key was in my hand) closed it again. Thunk, it locked.
This is scary stuff, me definitely no likee. For goodness sake, I never heard of anyone having stuff nicked from their boot while they were with their car. If you do see dodgy characters hanging around, then actively choose to lock the boot, it's not hard.
How do you turn this ghastly feature off? Will the one-click lock/unlock do it?
I think it's insane even as a default, and as a non-customisable feature, well, who do I shoot?
Rolfe.
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what happens if you use the normal unlock button on the key fob?
i don't see the point of the middle button, since you have to lift the VW flap up anyway, there's no benefit to the middle button.
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on the mk5 (got the highline) computer you used to be able to change all the lock settings etc, and if you had sat nav can change there too.
Guessing it is...... but can anyone confirm if it's the same on the Mk6 (as that's supposed to be highline as standard), and also on the RCD510?
Spot the geek but can't wait to get the mk6 and then sit for hours with the distruction manual.
Sorry if it's a dumb question.
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I couldnt change my via the highline... thankfully for me Darren (mortygttdi) came around yesterday and installed the voice activation on my rns510 and also changed my lock/unlock settings. "... one button to rule them all" :evil: :evil:
Cheers pal :smiley:
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on the mk5 (got the highline) computer you used to be able to change all the lock settings etc, and if you had sat nav can change there too.
Guessing it is...... but can anyone confirm if it's the same on the Mk6 (as that's supposed to be highline as standard), and also on the RCD510?
Spot the geek but can't wait to get the mk6 and then sit for hours with the distruction manual.
Sorry if it's a dumb question.
yes, on the Mk6 MFD you can change the lock/ unlock settings to be:
1, driver doors only
2, driver's side only
3, all doors
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Just checked. As others have suggested, it's definitely possible to lock yourself out good and proper. I opened the boot using the centre button while the car was parked and locked up. Put some stuff in and (making damn sure the key was in my hand) closed it again. Thunk, it locked.
This is scary stuff, me definitely no likee. For goodness sake, I never heard of anyone having stuff nicked from their boot while they were with their car. If you do see dodgy characters hanging around, then actively choose to lock the boot, it's not hard.
I guess you have never seen 'the real hustle' tv show.
As others have said why not try using the other button
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No, I haven't seen it. If I was worried that someone was about to make a dive for my possessions, I'm perfectly capable of locking the boot if I want to.
"Try the other button." Yeah, right. Ever heard of Murphy's Law? "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong." If it's possible to lock yourself out, eventually someone will.
I'd rather get it set up so that it isn't possible.
Rolfe.
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The big thick book in the glovebox is your friend...
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I'll get round to it.... :rolleyes:
I just hope it turns out to be possible.
Rolfe.
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hmmm been reading this thread for a few days now... My advice, got a new toy like the MK6, get used to its peculiarities... if you want the same as your other old cars, buy the same brand...
And people please read the manual first before posting enquiries... thats why we chopped off a few thousand trees, to give ready references by car manufacturers tonew owners... so that it will not waste time and money for people to call VW and complaint that the car is not up to the customer's expectations especially before reading the owner's manual...
haw haw haw... Thus the need for me to get my hands on english manuals... tried reading dutch... got a headache... and slept... :tongue:
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Oh, yeah, I'll read the manual.... Maybe tomorrow....
I don't think it's a question of brand, I think it's a question of time. I bought my previous car in 1998. They just put more bells and whistles on them now. If they still made the 306 GTi-6, I suspect it would have complicated locking logic as well.
I'm hardly going to go to VW and complain it's possible to lock myself out of my car! But it's something I've done before (OK, a hire car, and it was a completely different story, my passenger did it, but still, it happened), and I appreciate a car that won't let you do it.
The thing is though, the manual is in the car. Which is in the garage. Which is outside, and probably below zero right now. And it's written in gobbledegook. You guys are right here, and no trees have to die, even. I think it's educational, in a train-smash sort of way....
Rolfe.
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Put on a warm coat, get in the driver's seat, remove the manual from the glovebox, turn on the ignition and work through the controls and switchgear until you're absolutely confident that you know how everything works. If you don't, then you're you're potentially putting yourself and other road users at risk when you're out driving.
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Oh, keep your hair on!
I read the manual for the important stuff as soon as I got the car, and I know exactly what I'm doing when driving it thank-you-very-much. I don't think annoyance with and inability to rectify the automatic boot locking is exactly safety-critical.
I've done everything I can identify in the MFD, but still the boot locks on closing. I am not enchanted by this feature.
Rolfe.
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I've done everything I can identify in the MFD, but still the boot locks on closing. I am not enchanted by this feature.
Rolfe.
Surely not when the doors are unlocked?
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I've done everything I can identify in the MFD, but still the boot locks on closing. I am not enchanted by this feature.
Rolfe.
Surely not when the doors are unlocked?
I haven't figured out all the ramifications, but yes.
The start of this was when I left the keys in the boot and closed it, while the driver's door was open. Immediately tried to open the boot to retrieve keys, but it was locked. It's clear I made a mountain out of a molehill over retrieving the keys on that occasion, but it's still a damn pest having to find the key or otherwise unlock the boot every time you want to open it.
I suspect it's not quite as bad as that and there are some configurations where the boot will stay unlocked, but most of the time I want in it, it's locked, and it re-locks itself on closing.
I'm particularly concerned by its relocking itself when the doors are locked though, because of the potential for leaving the keys inside. I find it difficult to believe there isn't a way of over-riding that, but I haven't found it yet.
I've been driving nearly 38 years, and I've never had anything stolen from the boot of my car in that time. I'm quite content to go on as I've been doing, and taking personal responsibility for the decision as to when the boot is locked and when it is unlocked. If the car would only let me....
Rolfe.
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(Takes a deep breath...)
OK, let's take this step by step, and compare your set-up to mine. In the MFD, I've set up my lock/unlock options so that a single press on the unlock button on the remote unlocks ALL doors and the boot. However, if I don't open a door or the boot within something like 30", then the car locks itself. A sensible precaution so that an accidental press on the remote doesn't leave the car unlocked.
Now, having unlocked the car, if I open a door or the boot, the car remains unlocked until I decide to lock everything with a single remote press. I can open and close the boot/doors any number of times, and everything remains unlocked - which (for me) is how it should be...
Now, you've said this: "I'm particularly concerned by its relocking itself when the doors are locked though, because of the potential for leaving the keys inside. I find it difficult to believe there isn't a way of over-riding that, but I haven't found it yet."
It seems to me that you need to find a setting where everything remains unlocked until, and only until, you choose to hit the lock button the remote. In that way, you can never lock your keys anywhere within your car as you would need the remote to do this, which is attached to the keys. Am I getting warm?
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Thank you for your patience. Yes, I need to find that setting. Since I couldn't find it just by scrolling through the MFD, I may have no option but to read the instructions.... :sad:
Rolfe.
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I'm fairly sure (although I stand to be corrected) that within the Convenience settings you can select if you want only the driver's door to unlock, the driver's and passenger door to unlock, or everything to unlock. I don't have the manual to hand, so I can't be 100% sure. I'll admit that that certain sections of the manual are badly translated from the original German, and require a Master's in Engineering to follow. Worth taking another look at the relevant section of the manual that deals with the locking options and see if that offers a solution.
Edit: as an afterthought, are you using the bottom button on the remote to unlock the car, including the boot, or just the centre boot unlock button? I've a feeling that the centre button unlocks the boot once, and once the boot is closed, it relocks.
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http://www.ownerwelcome.com/ (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/)
Click on either the golf or GTI then on Multi Function Display. It has a video of exactly what to do.
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http://www.ownerwelcome.com/ (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/)
Click on either the golf or GTI then on Multi Function Display. It has a video of exactly what to do.
i knew that site was useful!
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Will do, thanks.
All I could find was various door combinations, nothing that would change the boot. I'll watch the vid!
Rolfe.
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Which button on the remote are you using to open the boot?
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http://www.ownerwelcome.com/ (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/)
Click on either the golf or GTI then on Multi Function Display. It has a video of exactly what to do.
Huh, not working for me. No options to click.
I'm using the middle button because half the time that's the only one that opens the boot anyway.
Also, I'm trying to disable the automatic boot-locking facility completely, no patter which button I open it with. Murphy's Law and all that.
Rolfe.
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http://www.ownerwelcome.com/ (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/)
Click on either the golf or GTI then on Multi Function Display. It has a video of exactly what to do.
Huh, not working for me. No options to click.
I'm using the middle button because half the time that's the only one that opens the boot anyway.
Also, I'm trying to disable the automatic boot-locking facility completely, no patter which button I open it with. Murphy's Law and all that.
Rolfe.
Rolfe are you referring to the video or the options on the car?
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The video. The comically ethnic German guy keeps exhorting me to choose what I want to learn about, but there's nothing clickable or choosable. The options are greyed out on my screen.
Rolfe.
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It doesn't have options :laugh:
You click on the cars that are below the 2 men. The golf and the GTI seem to be the same so it doesn't matter which. You then click on the Multi Function Display.
I would link to it but it won't allow me.
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It doesn't have options :laugh:
You click on the cars that are below the 2 men. The golf and the GTI seem to be the same so it doesn't matter which. You then click on the Multi Function Display.
I would link to it but it won't allow me.
That's what I mean. That bit's greyed out, including the left-right arrows. Clicking anywhere on there doesn't get me anything, Seems to be blocked for some reason.
Rolfe.
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http://www.ownerwelcome.com/ (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/)
Click on either the golf or GTI then on Multi Function Display. It has a video of exactly what to do.
Huh, not working for me. No options to click.
I'm using the middle button because half the time that's the only one that opens the boot anyway.
Also, I'm trying to disable the automatic boot-locking facility completely, no patter which button I open it with. Murphy's Law and all that.
Rolfe.
That's why you're having the problem. You need to go into the MFD, and select the option to unlock everything with the BOTTOM button on the remote, and stop using the centre button. As I explained in an earlier post, using the centre button unlocks the boot only, but it relocks when you close it.
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Way off topic I know but AlanH has stolen my name and logic behind his user name !!! HOW DARE HE !! :shocked: :D :D
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So sue me!! :grin:
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Rolfe I came across this the other day and thought about you locking the keys in your boot.
From ownerswelcome.com
"You can also lift the switch located on the driver's door instead of using the key fob to unlock the trunk"
I take it that is for folk that haven't changed the default locking settings.
Here is also a walk through to change it to all doors open
http://www.ownerwelcome.com/moreinfo/golf/multi-function-display.htm (http://www.ownerwelcome.com/moreinfo/golf/multi-function-display.htm)