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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: JellyCat on 06 November 2009, 23:11
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Hi.
Mix of reactions from dealers and people regarding if ACC is worth it or if everyone is or isn't specing it on their new cars (i.e must have option).
So thought I'd do a poll to find out.
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Skip this if you read it before, but I got it because the car has to transport my elderly mother. Anything to cure that annoying noise from the passenger seat of "oh, those awful bumps!"
The comfort does soften speed bumps a bit, but if you push on without changing out of comfort it feels ever so slightly nauseous. To be honest, sometimes I'm not on the setting I think I am, and I can't necessarily tell without looking at the selector.
I'm still glad I have it for elderly parent, but I'm pretty sure I woudn't have specced it otherwise. The ride in normal is very good.
Rolfe.
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There's been a few threads now (including one by me) asking for peoples thoughts, but I thought I'd collate some stats on this in the form of a poll.
It's an impressive bit of kit from a tech point of view for £700. It will be interesting to see the results!
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Yes I have it and admit I like it. Although not huge, the differences are noticeable especially on bumpy roads.
This morning heading out across the partially frosty moors I had ACC in comfort mode and the heated seats on, what more can I say? exquisitely comfortable and the bonus of a nice warm bum! :grin:
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i hate having a hot bum..... :huh:
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Yup, I specced the ACC for the car since I wanted to see what kind of ride I could get from this add-on. I must say it was difficult for me to feel the difference when it was new. But now after driving the car for almost 5 months, I must say I can tell the difference and I am glad I have it. For most of the time its on comfort but when I am on the highway I put it on sport and it really make the difference, the steering wheel becomes tight, the car stiffens up and really feels planted at 160 - 200 km/h...
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Didn't bother, had it on the Scirocoo and hardly used it. Gimmick.
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i hate having a hot bum..... :huh:
Etto :grin:
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Didn't bother, had it on the Scirocoo and hardly used it. Gimmick.
I've read that ACC is working all of the time regardless of which of the three settings your in.
'Normal' setting is active, when you push on the system will switch temporarily to 'Sport' and then back to 'Normal'; the system cant be turned on or off.
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It was the difference between normal and comfort I was interested in. Struggled to feel the difference, normal car is excellent.
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I did not go for it. ACC I ruled out as it will be very costly to replace when the dampers start to go soft around the 50,000 miles more than likley, i will own this car 10+ years i hope and the added complexity and cost i decided i did not need especially as in years to come i will do my own mechanical work on it. I have in the past had to convert friends cars from self leveling suspension etc to 'normal' suspension due to the cost of replacing like with like. So i went the cheap and simple way.
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Snoopy, do you have any info regarding the replacement cost of the ACC dampers in relation to the standard ones? I intend to keep my car for several years or more so this might affect me also.
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Not at the moment no sorry. Anyone with an up todate copy of ETKA may have this info for you.
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I've read that ACC is working all of the time regardless of which of the three settings your in.
'Normal' setting is active, when you push on the system will switch temporarily to 'Sport' and then back to 'Normal'; the system cant be turned on or off.
So, why have the "sport" and "comfort" settings at all? If the car is going to choose the appropriate one from "normal" all on its own?
Big success for the ACC yesterday. Took mother out for the afternoon to a garden centre 65 miles away. No complaints about the ride, she said it was very comfortable and fell asleep on the way there. Previously, she would have refused to come on such a long drive.
She even noticed the lit-up "comfort" setting on the switch - which was quite surprising as the reason she has a blue badge is that she's partially sighted.
Of course I don't know that the same effect wouldn't have been achieved with a new GTi without the ACC, but I intend to chalk up one for the ACC anyway.
Rolfe.
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So, why have the "sport" and "comfort" settings at all? If the car is going to choose the appropriate one from "normal" all on its own?
Some of us will want to fix it in sport mode for optimum handling when having a blast on a track, for example. As for comfort mode...
Took mother out for the afternoon to a garden centre 65 miles away. No complaints about the ride, she said it was very comfortable and fell asleep on the way there.
...think that says it all :grin:...
She even noticed the lit-up "comfort" setting on the switch
...but I wonder if there was a psychological effect at work too?! :wink:
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On the last one, not as such - she didn't see it until the way back, after it had got dark. She often asks about little things she spots, but can't put into context. I was just surprised she'd noticed such small print.
The big contrast waas between the new car and the 11-year-old Peugeot. Which I didn't notice as bumpy, but she did. In spades.
I suspect she might have reacted just the same in a non-ACC Golf, but I wasn't taking any chances.
If the "normal" setting is so dynamic, would that be why it's so hard to tell one setting from another?
Rolfe.
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Dealer advised:
The normal is supposed to drive like normal "non-ACC" GTI set-up, however this is the only setting which then switches automatically to a sport-ish settings as needed, then goes back to normal GTI.
The comfort is supposed to be a little softer than normal for motorway \ longer drives and won't stiffen up automatically.
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Dealer advised:
The normal is supposed to drive like normal "non-ACC" GTI set-up, however this is the only setting which then switches automatically to a sport-ish settings as needed, then goes back to normal GTI.
The comfort is supposed to be a little softer than normal for motorway \ longer drives and won't stiffen up automatically.
The dealer is not entirely accurate. Regardless of which setting you select, the system is constantly monitoring sensor inputs and making adjustments to the dampers - which can stiffen up even when set to comfort.
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Is there a definitive article about this, suitable for the merely semi-techie to understand?
Rolfe.
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'In Normal mode, the principal advantage of the system is that the dampers are constantly adjusted to the road and the driving conditions.'' lifted straight from the Golf brochure.
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I was lucky enough to get invited to the Mk6 GTI launch day at Milbrook. They have all sorts of road surfaces there to test on.
We were all allotted a trained driver, and i have to say the chap we got could really drive, he was doing all sorts of mental things but kept in complete control most of the time. :drool: :shocked:
Anyway i asked him about this system as a few people that i knew had it on there Rocco's. What he showed us was amazing. He did a fast lap of the alpine circuit in sport mode, bare in mind he was driving it like a rally car, Scandinavian flicks all over the shop, pance sh!ttingly fast. :sick: :cool: He then did a lap in the softest setting and the car was a lot faster. :shocked:
What he was showing us was with the firm suspension in sport mode, we would get pitched all over the place making the car difficult to control and not necessarily faster. In the comfort mode the car took the bumps in its stride and was balanced going into all the turns.
Now obviously the road surface was exaggerated but it gave a perfect example of the system working in its different modes, which isnt always obvious on normal roads. :smiley:
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Is there a definitive article about this, suitable for the merely semi-techie to understand?
How's your German Rolfe? http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/unternehmen/innovation___technik/fahrwerk/dcc-daempfer.html (http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/unternehmen/innovation___technik/fahrwerk/dcc-daempfer.html)
In particular the last sentence of the third paragraph, which translates as:
"Nevertheless the automatic control always remains active and also provides switching in the 'Comfort' mode for a sporty, taut absorption e.g. with fast track driving."
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VW website gives a little more :smiley::
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/drive/optional-adaptive-chassis-control/ (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/drive/optional-adaptive-chassis-control/)
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Thanks fellas. I don't remember seeing that last at the time I was on the web site speccing up cars.
So, if the thing is always active and changing the setting merely changes the bias, does that explain why it can be quite difficult to tell much difference when changing the setting? Is the test really, how an ACC car differs from a non-ACC car? (I presume a non-ACC car doesn't ajust at all.)
Also, if the car races round corners better in Comfort than in Sport, someone tell me again what Sport is for....
Rolfe.
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VW website gives a little more :smiley::
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/drive/optional-adaptive-chassis-control/ (http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/#/new/golf-gti-vi/explore/experience/drive/optional-adaptive-chassis-control/)
Just open the technical pop up and they try and explain the techy bits, its seems fairly straight forward to me :wink:
IMHO its wasted on us joe public :laugh:
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According to some car mags, ACC will not only continously varies the rebound etc.. of your dampers over a certain parameters, it also influence the throttle response and weight of the steering. Strangely, none of these extra function are mention in the VW GTI brochure.
As I am still running in my car, I had not driven the car hard enough to notice the difference in throttle response but the ride in town is definitely better in Comfort mode. Its been in that mode 99% out of the 250miles I had done in the car!
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According to some car mags, ACC will not only continously varies the rebound etc.. of your dampers over a certain parameters, it also influence the throttle response and weight of the steering. Strangely, none of these extra function are mention in the VW GTI brochure.
It must be fairly obvious as I have read about it...
That would be one of the main advantages in my book...the sharper throttle response and tighter steering feel of Sport mode.
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So, if the thing is always active and changing the setting merely changes the bias, does that explain why it can be quite difficult to tell much difference when changing the setting? Is the test really, how an ACC car differs from a non-ACC car? (I presume a non-ACC car doesn't ajust at all.)
Probably give the suspension/ACC until 12 months old. I drove a 12 month old Passat CC courtesy car last week and there was a distinct difference between the three ACC settings. My mate's brand new CC however is pretty similar to my Golf (i.e. not much difference between the three settings).
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Thanks fellas. I don't remember seeing that last at the time I was on the web site speccing up cars.
So, if the thing is always active and changing the setting merely changes the bias, does that explain why it can be quite difficult to tell much difference when changing the setting? Is the test really, how an ACC car differs from a non-ACC car? (I presume a non-ACC car doesn't ajust at all.)
Also, if the car races round corners better in Comfort than in Sport, someone tell me again what Sport is for....
Rolfe.
It was only faster on our test because of the road surface. The point i was trying to get across was a lot of people just read on the net that it is just a gimmick, which makes people discount it without trying it. That session proved to me that it defiantly benefits the handling in certain circumstances. :smiley:
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This is a link for DCC from VW Germany in English. http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/experience/innovation/running_car/dcc.html
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ACC: Best Option bar none and mainly due to the ride in 'comfort' mode.
Comfort: Limo ride on our horrible roads especially on motorways. And the handling is fine. The steering and throttle response are a bit slow but one gets used to this. One drives the car more sedately.
Sport: On a smooth surface has sharper steering and throttle response, a harder ride and a bit more fun. Used it twice and only for short periods.
Normal: Best of both worlds. Alternate this with 'comfort' but I am more biased towards 'comfort'.
PS: What I would be totally happy with for everyday driving would be: the ride in 'comfort' (most important), steering weight in 'normal', steering response in 'sport' and throttle response in 'sport'. :rolleyes:
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I do actually have an article somewere about ACC from an electronics trade magazine i get sent at work telling me how acc technically actually works and its limitations and basically how its been replaced already :grin:
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I do actually have an article somewere about ACC from an electronics trade magazine i get sent at work telling me how acc technically actually works and its limitations and basically how its been replaced already :grin:
Damn you Snoops!
Why did you have to this to me when I was so happy with my ACC? :cry:
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I do actually have an article somewere about ACC from an electronics trade magazine i get sent at work telling me how acc technically actually works and its limitations and basically how its been replaced already :grin:
Damn you Snoops!
Why did you have to this to me when I was so happy with my ACC? :cry:
Snoops is a party pooper :angry: I too am happy with my ACC :wink:
Gizzy
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I do actually have an article somewere about ACC from an electronics trade magazine i get sent at work telling me how acc technically actually works and its limitations and basically how its been replaced already :grin:
Maybe snoops is doing it becuse he never spec ACC??? :grin:
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Snoops: I think you will be really happy if you can retro-fit ACC. Your hardish ride will be very much smoother especially on your 17" rims. :evil:
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Snoops: I think you will be really happy if you can retro-fit ACC. Your hardish ride will be very much smoother especially on your 17" rims. :evil:
I know i said in my earlier post on this thread what i said but around that time i found out my car was going to be delayed and not built till the new year so i decided to add some options and after a few further test drives i decided what the hell ACC would be one of the options i would ask to be added. VWcs said no problem as build week not locked. Dealer said i could as VWcs said i could. Then the saga with the dealer started again (won't bore you with details).....................
Basically If i had, had a dealer who knew his ass from his elbow, did what he said, and could add up, i would have ACC on the car (and 4 other extras infact), it took me 2 months to get him to add one other option :sad: . Wayside Group , leave customer service by the wayside .....
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Basically If i had, had a dealer who knew his ass from his elbow, did what he said, and could add up, i would have ACC on the car (and 4 other extras infact), it took me 2 months to get him to add one other option :sad: . Wayside Group , leave customer service by the wayside .....
I know how annoyed you are at not having got your car fully specced to your liking. This was just a bit of naughtiness on my part. No hurt meant.
You know what you have to do .... Look what happened to Erik when his dealer did not spec his car properly. He got an ABT re-map FOC.
You should pursue Wayside vigorously and get some form of compensation.
I know how much time, effort and heartache this car has caused you and fully understand that you want to put the nightmare behind you.
There is no doubt, from what has transpired, your treatment by Wayside has been totally unacceptable.
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I was just venting was not at you mate :cool: :smiley:
I still have a case with VWcs, I sent them a letter a few weeks ago and said basically what i said above and i was not happy. VWcs were on the phone to me on Thursday about my paint. I now have to get time off work to go see a dealer about the paint for there view.... Thats going to be fun as for once were working 6days a week from this coming week and have more work than we can handle and i got a nasty look when i asked for time off for the dentist last week! so i don't think i can get time off for paint :grin:
If im truthful im sick of it now. 7 months of this from VW and getting nowere.
He got his compo from the dealer, as most who got or get compo have or have done.
My supply dealer does not give a rats ass.
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Snoops: Can we not somehow blackmark Wayside? There must be ways to do this without legal implications.
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Well VW customer survey is suppose to cost them a fortune in money if they get a bad one according to EVO on here and also my friendly helpful local dealer. I just hope i get a phone call but i think its too late for them to call now or maybe there waiting till my case with VWcs is over :undecided: or maybe they knew i woud not get the call. :huh:
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Well VW customer survey is suppose to cost them a fortune in money if they get a bad one according to EVO on here and also my friendly helpful local dealer. I just hope i get a phone call but i think its too late for them to call now or maybe there waiting till my case with VWcs is over :undecided:
Don't let them off the hook.
I think there is a certain time span for complaints to be resolved. Anyway, you waited 7 months for your car, so what's their hurry?
You have been too nice and patient with them from what I have read and seen.
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I think we should move this to the old august thread as we are way off topic.
I have not let them get away as a complaint went into VWcs about them back in December. The case is still ongoing and open. The dealer principal has a copy of said complaint including a copy of all emails between me and dealer. It was sent to them by VWcs and not a peep from the dealer, not even a sorry. This i stressed in my last letter to VWcs about them not even saying sorry.
August thread link http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=135785.810
There is a huge amount i have not said that has happened or gone on in the backround that i have not posted on the forum.
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Back on topic, i wish i'd gone for it! the roads round my way are terrible and it's just a little too stiff (oo-er!) for my taste! :sad:
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I have noticed that the 18s over the 17s for some odd reason seem to make a difference to the ride quality on the mk6 were as i did not seem to really notice much if any difference on the mk5. I think the mk6 must be quite abit different suspension ratios to the mk5.
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I noticed a lot of change in comfort between the V and VI (V being better) but hey I drove a Porsche Boxter around the block a few times it made me sick and the noise was unbearable...so in that respect I find the driving quality of the MK VI (for a "sportscar" ) amazing... :cool: