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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 16:39

Title: help please........***engine started ( ye ha ) **
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 16:39
i bought a project mk2 gti several months ago........it had a duff/blown engine when i bought it,so never really knew if all was well before installing new engine,again an 8v pb ...

i got the second hand engine off a forum guy,and was advised it was a really good runner,although never heard it running...

it has been installed over the last few weeks,and was ready to fire up today.......it has spark,and fuel going to the injector rail..no fuses are blown .....

turning over really nice,and occasionally a fart/back pressure blow from the engine although it wont start...

i also fitted a new knock sensor..this engine didnt have one fitted when i got it,so dont know if it had one originally.

only problem i had before installing was the little brass tube on the rear of the throttle body was snapped,so i changed over the throttle body from my old engine....could this make a difference?

could it be timing?..would it be worth moving the distributor while turning it over,would it have to be re timed for a different ecu?.....don't think its too far away,any ideas and points in the right direction would be lovely....

is this where you wish you had rubjohnys mobile no?????

please help as the missus is laughin at me and " ma auld banger ",and shes lookin for any excuse to get the garage back... :rolleyes: :grin: :tongue:
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: Thom89 on 31 October 2009, 21:50
Double check, fuel delivery, healthy battery, all earths are cleaned and secure, that you have a spark, timing marks line up, dizzy is in the correct position, plug leads are in the correct order, and a new set of plugs fitted, if your confident that all the above are correct, and your not just guessing they are, then it may be something as simple that it needs to be tow started..
Thom
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 21:59
Double check, fuel delivery, healthy battery, all earths are cleaned and secure, that you have a spark, timing marks line up, dizzy is in the correct position, plug leads are in the correct order, and a new set of plugs fitted, if your confident that all the above are correct, and your not just guessing they are, then it may be something as simple that it needs to be tow started..
Thom

thanks thom....fuel at the rail,battery good,earths ( need to double check ) have spark..........need to check timing marks.....and then dissy.......plugs new...my thoughts where leaning towards the knock sensor....could i be wrong in thinking that if it didnt have one fitted previously the timing would be out?..my concern is doing the timing when the engine isnt running at all.....
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: Ben Lessani on 31 October 2009, 21:59
Is it a backfire in the intake?

Sounds like the cam timing is out or dizzy is miles out, or you've got the firing order wrong.
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 22:04
Is it a backfire in the intake? You got your HT leads in the right order?

its not so much a back fire,more a exhaust pressure noise.......

firing order good........

ben,iknow this is fairly simple fix,but i just cant get the finger onto it...

if everyone throws ideas,one will work..

thanks.
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: Thom89 on 31 October 2009, 22:12
Hydraulic tappets, no oil in them! time to tow start!
Thom
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 22:17
Hydraulic tappets, no oil in them! time to tow start!
Thom


the engine has been sat for best part of 10 months.........

would that be long enough for the tappits to dry out?



Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: Thom89 on 31 October 2009, 22:21
Definitely
Thom
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 22:24
Defiantly!
Thom

what do you reckon thom........plugs out,rocker cover off....some oil,and some manual turning of the engine?

its the towing thing thats bothering me.......it might all fall apart.. :laugh:
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: Thom89 on 31 October 2009, 22:28
Tow starting is the way to go, oil pump will work far more efficiently... dont worry about it
Thom
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 31 October 2009, 22:39
cheers thom.....

i will let you know how it went.....................if i dont fall out the door opening.. :smiley:
Title: Re: help please........new engine not starting..
Post by: golfnut8v on 01 November 2009, 10:19
cheers for the help guys.... :grin:

got up this morning ,pis5ing with rain,and was ready to get tucked in.....

all sorts whizzing through ma head,timing,timing marks,towing,stripping bits,etc etc you all know what im saying...

and then a flash of inspiration,re check what has already been done,ht leads,earths,plugs,dissy,and to check that my firing order of 1432 is cool.....

a quick search,and bing bang bong....sommits no right........the firing order i think ( again THINK ) is right is actually wrong the firing order is 1342............could it be as simple as that?

well a quick check,and im sitting drinking a coffee after 3 mins while the auld yin heats her wee heart oot...

thanks for all the help guys.........always makes sense to talk to others,always puts a different veiw on things.......

thanks again............................im out doing the timing now..!!!
Title: Re: help please........***engine started ( ye ha ) **
Post by: Ben Lessani on 01 November 2009, 11:11
Told ya so ;)
Title: Re: help please........***engine started ( ye ha ) **
Post by: golfnut8v on 01 November 2009, 11:19
Told ya so ;)


thing is Ben,....................everyone thinks they know better,but in reality its always best to talk to others as it may just point you in the right direction...

i could have bet my mortgage on the firing order i thought was right.....just to find out im a f4nny.. :laugh: :shocked:
Title: Re: help please........***engine started ( ye ha ) **
Post by: Thom89 on 01 November 2009, 11:21
Nice one :cool: Its usually something simple..
Thom