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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: supguk on 25 October 2009, 13:21
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Am interested in either getting a MKVI 1.4 TSI 160 GT or the new GTD. Both simular performance, but the GTD has way more torque but wondered if it might have a narrower power band? Have never owned a golf but have finally got the opportunity. Obviously I will test drive both but wondered if anyone has anyhing to say on the subject or Petrol vs Diesel?. Also any comments on DSG or Manual.
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Be aware there is a long wait for a 1.4Tsi engine. Some dealers will not take any more orders utill next year, so you are looking at March/April for a petrol version.
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TDI would be my choice I think but then again if you're going to re-map the TSI has a lot of hidden reserves.
I'd prefer the torque of the TDI personally still though. The CR TDI doesn't have a peaky power band like the earlier PD TDIs and is very petrol like in its delivery. My mate has a company car 2.0 TDI Jetta with the CR engine and it's incredibly economical. My Dad has a Jetta with the new 1.6 TDI engine which is even better on fuel but a bit slow.
The TDI is easier to stall when you're not used to driving them!
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TDI for sure, how often are you going to be using the upper rev range?
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I work for VW in sales and the lead time on all golfs is going into march / april regardless of it being a 1.4tsi. I bought myself a mk6 gtd and it is in a different league to the gt 160 which in my opinion not the right car to get. If I wanted to save money I would of still gone for the gt tdi 140 over the petrol 1.4tsi. Standard mine was just as fast as a mk6 gti rolling start now had it revo'd and it awesome spinning in third so much torque! Get the gtd or if you want to save money get the 140, no one wants to buy the 1.4tsi's in the mk5!
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Supposedly, a driver has to cover around 15k miles a year to get back the fuel saving over the initial costs.
If you're not doing the 15k a year get a TSi :afro:
Or keep current wheels an extra year and get a GTi! :evil:
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Supposedly, a driver has to cover around 15k miles a year to get back the fuel saving over the initial costs.
If you're not doing the 15k a year get a TSi :afro:
Or keep current wheels an extra year and get a GTi! :evil:
I take it that's assuming you give the cars away free at the end of your time with them? In the real world the Diesels are more desireable on the second hand market and thus have a significantly better resale value thus negating much of the initial purchase difference. :wink:
If I was in the market for a three year old car I'd run a mile from a small engined car with both a super and turbo charger to potentially go wrong, not to mention all the extra gizmos that are called for to get both blowers to work in harmony such as the extra clutch. :shocked:
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at least 5% better retained value after three years - a GTD should see mid 40s mpg even with spirited driving whereas you'll be mid 30s in the 160TSi. with petrol and diesel prices now the same (actually saw petrol more expensive at the weekend) it doesn't take that long to win the difference back, and you have the benefit of more torque and a less stressful drive.
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you have the benefit of more torque
For about 400rpm, yes.
at least 5% better retained value after three years
That's ball0cks, because the appeal of the cars - not to mention list price!! - are very different. Moot point?
Diseasel has it's benefits, but I'm geting less and less convinced of this when small-capacity petrols are closing the economy gap so much right now.
I'm not a diesel-hater. My missus' car is a diesel and my last car was a remapped diesel.. Petrol is just better unless you're pounding motorways all the time and i refer you to my previous post :afro:
* volkswagen.co.uk
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at least 5% better retained value after three years
Well i'm only quoting the expected retained values from motoring publications, but based on the MkV seem pretty accurate to me. Its a percentage of new value, if the diesel IS 5% better retained and its dearer to start with then its actually done very well compared to a petrol equivalent. Trouble is finding a used TDi with an equivalent mileage to a petrol car to compare directly.
As an example..
Year 0 Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
1.4 TSI 122 SE 5dr £17,085 £11,096 £8,978 £7,377 £5,881
Year 0 Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
1.6 TDI 105 SE 5dr £17,905 £12,422 £10,367 £8,894 £7,242
Diesel £800 more new, worth £1500 more after 3 years and £1400 more after 4 years
Add in £200/year saving on fuel for the diesel and you get your initial outlay back over 4 years, and have a more valuable car to trade in.
And if the TSi isn't currently liked in the used MkV market then it'll be a while before people turn on to smaller engines - i said exactly the same on another forum about the 1.2TSi; people who don't know what it is will just think its a 1.2 and too small an engine for the car and look elsewhere. VW would have been much better calling them TS122 or TS160, anything bar using 1.4 in the model nomenclature.
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you have the benefit of more torque
For about 400rpm, yes.
at least 5% better retained value after three years
That's ball0cks, because the appeal of the cars - not to mention list price!! - are very different. Moot point?
Diseasel has it's benefits, but I'm geting less and less convinced of this when small-capacity petrols are closing the economy gap so much right now.
I'm not a diesel-hater. My missus' car is a diesel and my last car was a remapped diesel.. Petrol is just better unless you're pounding motorways all the time and i refer you to my previous post :afro:
* volkswagen.co.uk
Yes, there are small capacity petrol engines out there that give great fuel economy but they will not be anywhere near as fast as a GTD.
I have a GTD on order and it will be a company car. I do plenty of miles so diesel is the only sensible option for me due to mileage and tax.
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Or in the same context for the OP...
Year 0 Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
1.4 TSI 160 GT 5dr £19,830 £12,266 £9,904 £8,174 £6,497
Year 0 Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4
2.0 TDI 140 GT 5dr £20,460 £13,617 £11,370 £9,742 £7,935
So the diesel more than claws its initial additional outlay within 12 months.
Horses for courses.
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I have a GTD on order and it will be a company car. I do plenty of miles
Thanks for proving my point about the mileage forcing your decision... :lipsrsealed:
I mean more and more people think 'I'll get a diesel' without actually doing the sums. Just my 2p... :afro:
Brand new - and presuming OP has the extra funds available - I would still pick any petrol over any diesel up to about 12k miles a year.
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I have a GTD on order and it will be a company car. I do plenty of miles
Thanks for proving my point about the mileage forcing your decision... :lipsrsealed:
I mean more and more people think 'I'll get a diesel' without actually doing the sums. Just my 2p... :afro:
Brand new - and presuming OP has the extra funds available - I would still pick any petrol over any diesel up to about 12k miles a year.
Don't get me wrong, I would love a GTI but I still picked a diesel even though I had the choice of either one.
It was the same for my brother. He had the choice of a 335d or 335i. The diesel such a better car. It can cover ground very quickly. To do the same in the petrol, you need to rev the nuts off it so I don't see the point in buying a petrol to have a bigger fuel bill and a slower car.
I will get around every bit as fast in the GTD as I would have in a GTI but with a smaller fuel bill and less tax to pay.
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Don't get me wrong, I would love a GTI but I still picked a diesel even though I had the choice of either one.
No problem, pal - I'd rather be wrong and give you all the 'points of thought', then you buy the wrong car :afro:
Enjoy it
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From Autotrader which I think sums it up quite well.
"The Golf GTD is a great car with sharp looks, a luxurious interior and slice of GTi performance with lower running costs – but a high list price.
If you drive long distances day in day out, it’s the best performance Golf you can get your hands on.
But, the GTi is faster, handles better, sounds better and rewards the driver more of the time.
Where the GTD simply feels quick, the GTi feels special. In this case, only tick the box marked ‘diesel’ if you really need to."