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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: Sam on 21 October 2009, 12:49

Title: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 21 October 2009, 12:49
When turning right i get a classic 'duk duk duk duk duk' from the drivers side front wheel. Is this the wheel bearing of could it be a driveshaft issue??

Muchoes grasias
                           SAM :smiley:
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: DarnPB on 21 October 2009, 12:59
CV joint. Bearings will rumble. CV joints clack.
CV joints are easier to change than wheel bearings too. Only slightly more messy!
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 21 October 2009, 13:01
CV joint. Bearings will rumble. CV joints clack.

Right gonna sound like a dickhead hear but.. cv joint?
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: DarnPB on 21 October 2009, 13:03
CV joint. Bearings will rumble. CV joints clack.

Right gonna sound like a dickhead hear but.. cv joint?

Constant velocity joint. It is like a universal joint that allows the wheels be driven whilst in a turn. Its a complicated version of the universal joint in your tool box socket set.
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 21 October 2009, 13:10
CV joint. Bearings will rumble. CV joints clack.

Right gonna sound like a dickhead hear but.. cv joint?

Constant velocity joint. It is like a universal joint that allows the wheels be driven whilst in a turn. Its a complicated version of the universal joint in your tool box socket set.

Yer i did my usual of not acually looking it up. As soon as i ebayed it i knew where it goes. So youze thinking this is my problem? My mates CRX was clicking and he did the drive shaft and it still clicked and wished he had chosen to do the wheel bearing.. so in theory could his problem also be the cv joint??
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Horney on 21 October 2009, 13:15
Clicking will deffo be the CV joint, my MKII needs one doing as it's satarted to click on full lock. Wheel bearings will rumble no matter whether your turning or going straight.

Nick
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Ben Lessani on 21 October 2009, 13:16
As DPB said, wheel bearings whir when loaded (not when moving slow/stationary), CVs clunk.

I wrote up a diagnosis guide a while back, do a search.

Edit: I saved you the grief. http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=104304.msg892218#msg892218
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 27 October 2009, 18:46
Sorry to continue to sound like a bell but with your guide ben, does the same apply to cv joints as wheel bearings e.g turning left n click its the right one and visa versa
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: DarnPB on 27 October 2009, 19:07
Sorry to continue to sound like a bell but with your guide ben, does the same apply to cv joints as wheel bearings e.g turning left n click its the right one and visa versa

The wheel that turns the tightest, ie, if you are turning left, the left wheel will turn the tightest, is most likely to click if the CV joint has gone. So if there is a clicking noise in one direction and not the other, usually, you would go for the wheel that corresponds to the direction of the turn.
Bearings will just rumble which ever way you turn, even more so under heavy braking.
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Mr Blue on 27 October 2009, 20:08
Are mk2 front wheel bearings easy to replace at home or is it a hydraulic press in/ press out job?
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Ben Lessani on 27 October 2009, 22:03
Its an easy job, but you need a press.

You can get the housing off in about 20 minutes, then remove the circlip at the back, push the hub out, remove the other circlip, push the bearing out. Then if you are unlucky (like me) tap the old race off the hub with a big hammer and chisel (without touching the hub!).
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 27 October 2009, 22:51
it seems to be more so when i turn left but it feels and sounds like its comming from the right... could this be true or am i just sh!t
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Ben Lessani on 28 October 2009, 08:20
Typical wheel bearing, turn left, load up the right - whine.

Knocking at the front could be a few things. Make sure the suspension strut bolts are tight, all 4 ball joint bolts, wheel nuts and hub nut.

Track rod ends
When you hear a knock when wiggling the steering wheel when stationary. If the car is jacked up, its not as obvious to find.

Wheel bearing
Turn a corner at speed (40 mph), if you are turning left and you hear a noise - its the right wheel bearing, turning right and its your left wheel bearing.

Jack the car up, grab it left and right and wiggle it and check for play. If there's play and a noise as above, odds are its a wheel bearing.


Ball Joint
Grab the wheel top and bottom and wiggle, have a friend with a torch look at the ball joint when wiggling and the play is pretty obvious.

CV Joint
Knocking/grinding at low speeds

Top Mounts
No idea, I guess I'd find out by process of elimination from the above?
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: jezza16v on 28 October 2009, 08:59
Typical wheel bearing, turn left, load up the right - whine.

Not in all cases, the bearing is a double so depending whether it is the inner or outer race that is damaged you can get the opposite effect, the noise it is often more dependant on the direction of the lateral load on the bearing rather than the vertical load.

This does sound like a classic CV joint problem, I've never heard a bearing click or clunk, they usually drone and the pitch of the drone gets higher as road speed increases. Worth just checking that the nut on the end of the shaft is tight, if loose it can let the shaft splines wobble in the hub.

Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Ben Lessani on 28 October 2009, 11:07
This does sound like a classic CV joint problem, I've never heard a bearing click or clunk, they usually drone and the pitch of the drone gets higher as road speed increases. Worth just checking that the nut on the end of the shaft is tight, if loose it can let the shaft splines wobble in the hub.

Lol, ignore me, I didn't even read the first page of the post, I just saw "change wheel bearing" at the top and someone moan about noise.

Wheel bearings don't usually clunk ;)
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 28 October 2009, 16:23
what yall recon to this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-CV-JOINT-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-MK2-1-8-2-0-1984-1993_W0QQitemZ260477421267QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item3ca5aa06d3
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Ben Lessani on 29 October 2009, 00:33
I would imagine a 2nd hand genuine shaft + cv would last longer.
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 29 October 2009, 01:03
I would imagine a 2nd hand genuine shaft + cv would last longer.

Ok cool and there the same throughout the range arent they? There is a scrappy near me with only one mk2... driver mebs? and it still had both cvs in..
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 31 October 2009, 01:05
Got a quote for a full drive shaft for £45 from vwaudibreakers.co.uk, is this price any good and more importantly are they any good?
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: molegti on 31 October 2009, 08:53
http://shop.vws.me.uk/vw-golf-mk2-driveshaft-469-p.asp
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 31 October 2009, 11:06
http://shop.vws.me.uk/vw-golf-mk2-driveshaft-469-p.asp


Ha so no not really then lol
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 01 November 2009, 20:31
Well just had its jacked up and the front wheel of and to say there is a little play is an understatement.. but at least now i know what the problem is fo sho and can get it sorted! Thanks for all the help guys in this long and tedious thread!!
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 03 November 2009, 12:37
Right, finding a full drive shaft is prooving to be a right pain in the nads!! so im just gonna do the cv. Im presuming it will be the outer cv that has gone yes?? :grin:
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: DarnPB on 03 November 2009, 12:40
Right, finding a full drive shaft is prooving to be a right pain in the nads!! so im just gonna do the cv. Im presuming it will be the outer cv that has gone yes?? :grin:

Probably.
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 03 November 2009, 12:48
Merci!!
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 03 November 2009, 13:00
This any good?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK2-GTI-CORRADO-G60-OUTER-CV-JOINT-KIT-C272_W0QQitemZ200269854202QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item2ea10375fa
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: DarnPB on 03 November 2009, 17:31
Well it specifies your car so it should be OK. But he did add this too!

IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THIS IS RIGHT FOR YOUR CAR PLEASE PHONE SPENCER ON
01622 685308 OR 01622 677662   (ITEM NUMBER C272)
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: Sam on 04 November 2009, 00:54
Well it specifies your car so it should be OK. But he did add this too!

IF YOU ARE NOT SURE THIS IS RIGHT FOR YOUR CAR PLEASE PHONE SPENCER ON
01622 685308 OR 01622 677662   (ITEM NUMBER C272)

Yer i saw that sorry, but i got bigger fish to fry at the min. One of my spax coilovers has committed
Title: Re: Wheel bearing? Simples...
Post by: danny_p on 04 November 2009, 01:29
with wheel bareings do the sensible thing, if you suspect one of failing  CHANGE BOTH.   the other will be folling fate shortly.

same goes for CV joints,  if one outer has gone the other outer joint will follow (  unless it's die due to lack of grease from a split boot ) in whitch case change the boot on the other.

imo doing things that way and it saves money and effort