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Title: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: exsigs on 15 October 2009, 13:59
Hi All,

First off, just picked up my new golf and I LOVE it, what a fantastic car and improvement over the mark 5.

Anyway, thought I'd connect the Iphone 3Gs into the aux port and realised the cable does not fit ......so, I went into the house and got my phone lead, connected the USB part to the MDI port and other end to the phone. Only problem now is that when I press the 'Media' button on the head unit, that it comes up with ' Device not recognised' or words to that effect.

Can anyone shed any light?

I'm off to Cornwall tomorrow and wanted some decent music to listen too.

Any advice greatfully received.

Cheers
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: howlingmoon on 15 October 2009, 14:02
Hi there,

Yup had the same problem with mine when I first got the car. You need to get the iPod adapter cable from VW. It costs Euro35, I think or alternatively you can ask your dealer for it. Definately not workable with the iPod cables...

HM
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: adw555 on 15 October 2009, 14:10
you should have got the ipod and usb cables with the car for free ...iphone works well with the proper cable  :smiley:
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: jdjd on 15 October 2009, 14:41
yopu should have got the ipod and usb cables with the car for free ...iphone works well with the proper cable  :smiley:

Got both with mine for "free"
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: mac7 on 15 October 2009, 14:53
On the subject of iphones, has anyone seen that app which allows you to unlock, start/stop etc your car from your iphone?
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: R32UK on 15 October 2009, 17:54
On the subject of iphones, has anyone seen that app which allows you to unlock, start/stop etc your car from your iphone?

Without being in the car??? :huh:

If thats true then I am finally going to give in to the gayphone sorry iphone!!

Can anyone confirm??
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: Golf R on 15 October 2009, 18:03
On the subject of iphones, has anyone seen that app which allows you to unlock, start/stop etc your car from your iphone?

There's an app for that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YztB-NEX52I
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 15 October 2009, 18:47
Its a crazy system. The 2 leads, ipod and usb are included with the car but the garage is supposed to order them individually for you for the car arriving. I never got the ipod cable when I went to collect my car but the salesmen just went to the parts department and lifted one.

Make sure you don't pay as it is all free.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: mac7 on 15 October 2009, 18:55
On the subject of iphones, has anyone seen that app which allows you to unlock, start/stop etc your car from your iphone?

Without being in the car??? :huh:

If thats true then I am finally going to give in to the gayphone sorry iphone!!

Can anyone confirm??

It's a Viper product and needs a control module box of tricks wired into your car:

http://gizmodo.com/5380504/your-iphone-is-now-your-car-keys (http://gizmodo.com/5380504/your-iphone-is-now-your-car-keys)
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: R32UK on 15 October 2009, 19:07
On the subject of iphones, has anyone seen that app which allows you to unlock, start/stop etc your car from your iphone?

Without being in the car??? :huh:

If thats true then I am finally going to give in to the gayphone sorry iphone!!

Can anyone confirm??

It's a Viper product and needs a control module box of tricks wired into your car:

http://gizmodo.com/5380504/your-iphone-is-now-your-car-keys (http://gizmodo.com/5380504/your-iphone-is-now-your-car-keys)

thanks mac7 :wink:

Seems a step too far though..  :undecided:
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: exsigs on 15 October 2009, 20:50
All sorted, got the ipod lead from the stealer for free and now working.

I've changed the RCD310 over for an RNS 510 I brought of ebay and I'm well chuffed. The change over took 10 mins and was a piece of cake.

I never got the bottle opener tho, was I supposed to get this?

Cant wait till tomorrow, first long drive to Cornwall and Im sure I need to give the engine a good run......not too fast tho   :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: Rolfe on 15 October 2009, 20:52
What did you have in place of the bottle-opener then?  It separates the two drinks in the front-seat drink holder.

(The holder is great for tubs of ice cream.  Trust me on this.)

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: R32UK on 15 October 2009, 20:55
I kept my R32 one.. just incase I never got one :lipsrsealed:

oooh im a rebel me! :laugh:
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 15 October 2009, 22:16


I never got the bottle opener tho, was I supposed to get this?



Yeah it is part of the spec although they go missing constantly.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: R32UK on 16 October 2009, 07:46
It's at the bottom of the steering  wheel

feel the envy fellas  :laugh: :laugh:


think thats where it used to be in the OLD model
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 17 October 2009, 18:35
hi all i was wondering whether the iPod adapter thing keeps the iPod in charge as well as the obvious task of playing the music, and presumably allow control of changing tracks and suchlike on the steering wheel buttons? I'm considering getting either an iPod Classic or iPod Nano, just as a convenient place to store the my own preferred tunes, and then just leaving the iPod in the car all the time. i presume it does but i thought i might ask as i have never owned or used anything iPod related before
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: howlingmoon on 17 October 2009, 18:55
hi all i was wondering whether the iPod adapter thing keeps the iPod in charge as well as the obvious task of playing the music, and presumably allow control of changing tracks and suchlike on the steering wheel buttons? I'm considering getting either an iPod Classic or iPod Nano, just as a convenient place to store the my own preferred tunes, and then just leaving the iPod in the car all the time. i presume it does but i thought i might ask as i have never owned or used anything iPod related before

Hi DDRFan,

Yes, the iPod adaptor will charge the iPod or Iphone when connected and you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to select your songs and all from the display...

Hope this helps..

HM
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: keelaw on 17 October 2009, 20:40
hi all i was wondering whether the iPod adapter thing keeps the iPod in charge as well as the obvious task of playing the music, and presumably allow control of changing tracks and suchlike on the steering wheel buttons? I'm considering getting either an iPod Classic or iPod Nano, just as a convenient place to store the my own preferred tunes, and then just leaving the iPod in the car all the time. i presume it does but i thought i might ask as i have never owned or used anything iPod related before


can't remember which RCD unit you have, but with the RCD510 all you need is a 4gb SD card and bung all your music there.  sorted :)

also, how about just putting stuff onto a dongle and then plug that into the MDI?

both cheaper than an ipod and no less functionality AFAIK


Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 17 October 2009, 20:43
......

Yes, the iPod adaptor will charge the iPod or Iphone when connected and you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to select your songs and all from the display...
Yes it helps thank you.  :smiley: Now I sorta have to decide whether I really do want to get an iPod, just for the car... i suppose it's better than juggling all the CDs... the car before the one I got had a radio cassette! i still remember that and think how so much better having CDs are because you could easily just skip tracks.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 17 October 2009, 20:49


can't remember which RCD unit you have, but with the RCD510 all you need is a 4gb SD card and bung all your music there.  sorted :)

also, how about just putting stuff onto a dongle and then plug that into the MDI?

both cheaper than an ipod and no less functionality AFAIK
thanks for that, i forgot about that option - i've read that full hard drives can even be connected via USB
so i could just get say a cheapish 32Gb USB mem stick for £50 like this:
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/8850308/Play-com-32GB-USB-2-0-Flash-Drive-Ready-Boost-Enabled/Product.html
slam all the MP3s I want on there, and they will all play? it does actually sound more sensible
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 17 October 2009, 20:55
hi all i was wondering whether the iPod adapter thing keeps the iPod in charge as well as the obvious task of playing the music, and presumably allow control of changing tracks and suchlike on the steering wheel buttons? I'm considering getting either an iPod Classic or iPod Nano, just as a convenient place to store the my own preferred tunes, and then just leaving the iPod in the car all the time. i presume it does but i thought i might ask as i have never owned or used anything iPod related before

You may want to try an ipod first before buying one as there is an annoying (well it is to me) pause as it changes track
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30)

I was on a 2 hour journey today and the problem was really evident and annoying. So much so I switched to the radio.
I think I'll invest in a SD card and see if that cures the problem.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: Mighty_G on 17 October 2009, 21:36
hi all i was wondering whether the iPod adapter thing keeps the iPod in charge as well as the obvious task of playing the music, and presumably allow control of changing tracks and suchlike on the steering wheel buttons? I'm considering getting either an iPod Classic or iPod Nano, just as a convenient place to store the my own preferred tunes, and then just leaving the iPod in the car all the time. i presume it does but i thought i might ask as i have never owned or used anything iPod related before

You may want to try an ipod first before buying one as there is an annoying (well it is to me) pause as it changes track
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30)

I was on a 2 hour journey today and the problem was really evident and annoying. So much so I switched to the radio.
I think I'll invest in a SD card and see if that cures the problem.

doesn't pause on mine ?

Ipod is brilliant in the car, i use itunes to subscribe to lots of good podcasts, now I plug it into the home pc once a week and upload them so gives me a load to listen to when I don't want to listen to music. Also on itunes you can make playlists so you can make a set of songs for different driving moods (chilling out, rockin, general mix e.t.c.)
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 17 October 2009, 22:06

You may want to try an ipod first before buying one as there is an annoying (well it is to me) pause as it changes track
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30)

I was on a 2 hour journey today and the problem was really evident and annoying. So much so I switched to the radio.
I think I'll invest in a SD card and see if that cures the problem.
hi thanks for your input. to be honest i think the USB option seems better for me, although when (or if  :rolleyes: ) I get the car I'm gonna see if i can borrow somebody's iPod and test it during collection (make sure i get the right cables and stuff)

as for the pause during tracks, i would hazard a guess that even the USB option will not cure it. the reason i think this is i simply think the audio system is not sophisticated enough. imagine you are the audio system (effectively it's just like a computer) and you are playing an MP3 file, say "sweet_child_o_mine.mp3". You're spending all your CPU cycles reading the MP3 file from the USB stick, uncompressing the data into an output buffer, then the sound comes out from the data in the output buffer, then when that buffer is played, it is filled again from more data from the CPU.
suddenly the CPU reaches the end of the track. i don't think it is likely this audio system is clever enough to know when it reaches the end, it just stops. the CPU would have been busy trying to play "sweet_child...mp3". so it has to stop. then it will probably need to clear the buffer that has the ending of the track, which will take a bit of time. then it has to look through the USB stick for what the next track is, and electronically this will take time depending on the speed at which the USB can feed the CPU data. once found, data is then read by the CPU and it starts to uncompress filling in the output buffer and music comes out again. but all these minute steps are taking place within fractions of a second, however as you have noticed puts a tiny skip in the music.

to solve this problem the CPU needs to be clever enough to know when the end is approaching, and then start to read the next track, doing this whilst playing the end of the existing track. it's probably too much to handle for the CPU, and from a programming point of view it's just easier and cheaper to implement just basic playback, and just put up having the tiny gap in the music.

alternately you just have one huge-arse MP3 and it just plays from beginning to end with no pauses

but then again i have no personal experience of this system and i could be talking completely out of my arse, i just know from playing MP3s on my PC you sometimes get the tiny skips and i would expect the same on this GTI sound system too. Certain software like WinAMP will 'fade' the previous track and new track so it seems more seamless.

*edit* as a side note before i completely go off topic, one of the main reasons I wanted a GTI is because of the driving thing, not really for the music system - i could still live with CDs if i had to, in fact to be bluntly honest most of the time I have the radio tuned to BBC Radio 5 Live (AM radio qualtiy ftw :rolleyes: ) but sometimes it is nice just to be thinking of song whilst driving and just put it on.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: Rolfe on 17 October 2009, 22:22
......

Yes, the iPod adaptor will charge the iPod or Iphone when connected and you can use the buttons on the steering wheel to select your songs and all from the display...
Yes it helps thank you.  :smiley: Now I sorta have to decide whether I really do want to get an iPod, just for the car... i suppose it's better than juggling all the CDs... the car before the one I got had a radio cassette! i still remember that and think how so much better having CDs are because you could easily just skip tracks.

I had an iPod that I put through the washing machine last Christmas, which totalled its screen.  It was working OK apart from that but in the end I got a new one because it's almost impossible to find what you want without a screen.

The original one now belongs to the car, giving me all my playlists at the touch of a button.  And of course the car's screen displays all the track titles so the iPod's own screen being bust doesn't matter.  I haven't had any of these problems with the start of tracks.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 17 October 2009, 23:05

alternately you just have one huge-arse MP3 and it just plays from beginning to end with no pauses


I don't mean I want it to play gapless.
And I have probably titled it wrong by saying it pauses. Its not pausing as such. It starts to play the next track and then the sound cuts out then re starts. Its not noticeable at all on tracks that start quietly but is very noticeable on tracks that start loud.

Your theory sounds plausible but it is also not present on all ipods. That thread I linked to has a very rough list of what ipods appear to be affected but even that doesn't seem to have any pattern.

My itouch sometimes is fine but like I said earlier it was terrible today but now I think about it, it may be because I was on the motorway and the volume was up loud so it may have exacerbated the problem.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 17 October 2009, 23:12
.... It starts to play the next track and then the sound cuts out then re starts. Its not noticeable at all on tracks that start quietly but is very noticeable on tracks that start loud.
OK i think i know what you mean.... sort of like if you're out in a club somewhere, dancing like a bell-end and getting into the beat, and then the DJ accidentally loses the needle and the track stops and you're still dancing, and then the DJ realises there is no music so switches to his spare quickly
that would annoy me too i think, so much so i would probably just turn off the music completely
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 18 October 2009, 23:28
 :grin: eh something like that  :laugh:
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: gc76 on 19 October 2009, 12:12
Ive heard that a couple of times with my iPhone aswell.  Will be intresting to know how to cure it, if at all possible
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 19 October 2009, 21:39
Ive heard that a couple of times with my iPhone aswell.  Will be intresting to know how to cure it, if at all possible

I was thinking about this today, and on the original post most folk (if not all) reckoned it to be a fault with the ipod rather than the stereo. However my last car as well as my wife's current car had ipod adaptors to allow them to play ipods and none of the symptoms ever happened.

I think it might be a fault with the RCD510 rather than the ipod.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: DDRFan on 19 October 2009, 22:22
... I think it might be a fault with the RCD510 rather than the ipod.
i presume you could test your iPod/iPhone on the many accessories now available designed to work with these devices such as these alarm clock docking stations like this one (link below), presumably if it doesn't have these little pauses on that, but you take the same iPod/iPhone to the car and it still pauses, then you are right, indeed it is something odd with that that system.

http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/7126953/Play-com-iPod-Alarm-Clock-Speaker-Dock/Product.html
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 19 October 2009, 22:27
Yeah even with the kids iphone speakers / docks, this pausing doesn't happen.
I actually think it is getting worse on mine now.
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: gossa on 19 October 2009, 22:28
The only issue I have had so far is sometimes when the ipod/iphone moves to the next track, the previous track name stays on the screen, anyone else had that?
Title: Re: Cant get Iphone to Work ....?
Post by: p3asa on 19 October 2009, 22:32
Only on a 4th Gen Nano when I was trying out the stutter
My i touch has never done that.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=131370.30)