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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: minichamps11 on 01 October 2009, 22:12
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Well after 10 years of running Fords, I now have 2 GTi's sat outside :-)
The '95 8V (130K) has an MOT but drives pants (baggy suspension, clonk from front RHS when braking - guessing engine mount or anti-roll bar bushings?). The '97 16V (100K) drove great, much better than I thought a 12 year old car should, but the floor pan and both sills have rusted shockingly and it badly failed the MOT.
Thinking about swapping all the decent 16V bits to the 8V, starting with the suspension BUT: I'm confused by the differences between them. The GSF website lists different dampers & wishbones for each GTi, however from reading around, I get the impression all 5 stud GTi's have the same suspension? If that's correct why do GSF list so many different parts? My 16V sits about 15mm lower than the 8V but I guess it could have aftermarket shocks fitted.
Like to get hold of VW part numbers so I can work out exactly what's different between the 8V & 16V cars. Please can someone tell me where I can find part no's ? Do I need to buy ELSAwin? Not really sure what the software does.
Cheers,
Ian
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No difference in suspension between 8v and 16v all GTI's and VR6's were fitted wih the plus set up, VR6 is heavier duty front set up to cope with the heavier engine.
To be honest the standard suspension is crap and at 100k might as well be scrapped.
Welcome to the site btw.
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will be aftermarket shocks as the only differnce between all gti standard setups was early 8v and fatter spring plates thats it.
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Hi i used europarts for my parts i could not find a number but they found all the bits i needed am sureif yu spoke with them or VW they would help you out!! with all your questions!! i don think there is to much diff between them yu should deff stick with the 16v they are alot more fun lol.
Nic
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8v and 16v is all the same suspension wise...just check the fronts (upto 94ish) as these had 80mm spring pigtails while laters got 65mm (vr6 is the same up til mid 93!)
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http://vagcat.com/ for part no's
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No contest! Sell the 8v and buy a 16! :grin:
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No contest! Sell the 8v and buy a 16 VR6 ! :grin:
:smiley: :grin: :rolleyes:
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Nah they are too heavy and drink fuel. :grin:
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Nah they are too heavy and drink fuel. :grin:
Maybe but the noise more than makes up for it.
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Cheers for all the help! If the 16V has any value as spares / an MOT failure I'd seriously consider selling both and buying one decent car (don't want to start another 8V versus 16V debate - there seem to be enough of those, however for the record, it would be a 16V!!! :wink: )
I took wheels off both cars today and both have original VW shock absorbers fitted all round. Also spoke to the original owner of the 16V (I work with him) and he claims he's never replaced the springs or dampers since new. Don't understand what's going on here, perhaps 16V engine is slightly heavier so car sits lower?
Also noticed the 16V has bigger brake discs with VW callipers instead of the 8V's small discs and Lucas Girling callipers. Is this normal? Guess the ABS pump changed too as they look physically different.
Any ideas on the clonk noise? It happens at quite low speeds (5mph). All the suspension bushings on the 8V look sh*gged (fair enough after 130,000 miles) so am having a hard time working out if it's wishbone, roll bar or subframe doing it. Don't think it's engine mount anymore.
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Front springs from VAGCAT.com :
1) 1J0411105BH
coil spring / 2 paint marks / 2 paint marks
yellow violet / AGG,AKR
2) 1J0411105BG
coil spring / 1 paint mark / 2 paint marks
yellow violet / air condit.: AGG,AKR
3) 1H0411105D
coil spring / 1 paint mark / 3 paint marks
green white / GTI 16V:ABF
Do different spring part no's between the ABF & AGG engines neccessarily mean different specification springs? Also air conditioned cars have a different part no.?? What the h*ll is that about!?
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Front springs from VAGCAT.com :
1) 1J0411105BH
coil spring / 2 paint marks / 2 paint marks
yellow violet / AGG,AKR
2) 1J0411105BG
coil spring / 1 paint mark / 2 paint marks
yellow violet / air condit.: AGG,AKR
3) 1H0411105D
coil spring / 1 paint mark / 3 paint marks
green white / GTI 16V:ABF
Do different spring part no's between the ABF & AGG engines neccessarily mean different specification springs? Also air conditioned cars have a different part no.?? What the h*ll is that about!?
Air con cars will be heavier duty due to the extra weight, to be honest your wasting time wanting to use the factory kit, it will be knackered and had very poor damping control from new.