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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: p3eps on 01 October 2009, 19:21
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I currently have a deposit down on a Golf R and Scirocco R. I'm about 99.9% sure I'm going for the Golf now - but I'm still undecided about DSG or Manual.
I'm a previous Edition 30 owner, which was manual - but I always fancied DSG since everyone (most people!) rave about it.
I've had a brief test drive of a MK6 GTI with DSG, and an S3 & TTS both with 'S-Tronic' (same thing!). In theory it feels great - but do I want it for the next 3 years?!
I decided to phone my dealer and ask if I could have a decent shot of a MK6 GTI with DSG for a day to see how I get on. Unfortunately they only have the GTI in manual - and their DSG car just now is a GTD. Has anyone driven a GTD? I'm not entirely convinced a diesel car will give me the same 'test' of DSG that it would with a petrol?
I'm not going to ask for manual v DSG comments, as there are a million threads on that already!
I just want to know if a GTD will give me a decent test of DSG compared to petrol?!
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I have tried the 6-speed DSG on several VWs, Audis, Seats and Skodas, both diesel and petrol. Specifically, I have driven the Golf GTD DSG and own the GTI DSG. The gearbox feels all but identical on every car it's fitted to, though programming changes slightly depending on the power and torque of the engine.
Contrary to what most people (especially journalists) say, the DSG 'box is not 'perfect', but it is very good and I would always opt for it over a manual. You only have 2 feet, so why would you want 3 pedals? :smiley:
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You only have 2 feet, so why would you want 3 pedals? :smiley:
So that you can control the clutch . . . but as the OP said, lets not get drawn into ANOTHER DSG v Manual thread.
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Before we ordered our GTI we test drove both a Sirocco and a Golf GTD. (We were not impressed) I would say that it is not a true comparision of a petrol version GTI as torques etc are completely different. We have ordered the DSG, having driven a petrol version. If you are interested in GTI DSG, please please test drive a petrol version before making your mind up.
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I've driven three DSG Golfs now - a Mk5 GTI, R32 and the GTD. IMO DSG suited the more torquey engines in the R32 and GTD better than the GTI.
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If you are interested in GTI DSG, please please test drive a petrol version before making your mind up.
I have tried it when the MK6 GTI first came out - but it was a 20 minute run with the dealer in the car next to me! It seemed very quick and responsive... but I'm more concerned what it will be like when the novelty wears off and I'm stuck with an automatic car for 3 years!
My heart is telling me to order it as it'll be great, but my head is telling me I'll get fed up of it after a few months!
Most of my driving is to and from work in traffic - stop / start / stop / start... so an automatic car would have its advantages!
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if you spend any time in your commute stuck in traffic, and find it a pain then the DSG is a no brainer.
i can't wait
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If you are interested in GTI DSG, please please test drive a petrol version before making your mind up.
I have tried it when the MK6 GTI first came out - but it was a 20 minute run with the dealer in the car next to me! It seemed very quick and responsive... but I'm more concerned what it will be like when the novelty wears off and I'm stuck with an automatic car for 3 years!
My heart is telling me to order it as it'll be great, but my head is telling me I'll get fed up of it after a few months!
Most of my driving is to and from work in traffic - stop / start / stop / start... so an automatic car would have its advantages!
I had a mk5 Gti 12 mnths manual, a mk5 R32 for 2 years Dsg and now a mk6 gti and it had to be Dsg for me over manual
Best of both worlds stuck in traffic or feeling lazy stick it in D, want a spirited country road bash stick it in manual and play with the paddles or Sport mode
Would'nt be without it now, thats my opinion but where all different :wink:
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how I get on. Unfortunately they only have the GTI in manual - and their DSG car just now is a GTD. Has anyone driven a GTD? I'm not entirely convinced a diesel car will give me the same 'test' of DSG that it would with a petrol?
Not GTD but had a GT/TDI/DSG loaner briefly - too jerky for me (clutch slip?).
Had a demo in a Scirocco 1.4 DSG and really liked it though (DSG that is)! Presumably GTi somewhere in between?
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my head is telling me I'll get fed up of it after a few months!
I don't really understand why you think you will get fed up of not having to change gear yourself any more than you would tire of not having to wind the windows up and down. I would say it's quite the opposite: once you have used a DSG (or any other automatic), you will never want to go back to a manual.
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I disagree (of course :grin:)
You may well get (claimed) better performance, and almost instant acceleration, but in truth your buying a car because its great handling characteristics, and ability to do everything well... yet still be able to have a blast on the weekend or when the roads open up. Very much like the original gti!!! which did not come with dsg :wink:
For me the big let down with dsg was its inability to make its mind up... and here we are talking about in start stop traffic as opposed to when pushing on.
And just to add if you reverse into a tight spot or garage like i do every night, dont even consider it!! :lipsrsealed:
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For me the big let down with dsg was its inability to make its mind up... and here we are talking about in start stop traffic as opposed to when pushing on.
I agree, it's not at its best in traffic (hesitation between 2nd & 3rd, 1st & 2nd...), but I do very little urban driving, so I don't mind really.
And just to add if you reverse into a tight spot or garage like i do every night, dont even consider it!! :lipsrsealed:
I've never understood this objection, I have no problems reversing or manoeuvering at very low speeds.
As I said, the DSG is not as good as people make out and personally I prefer a proper automatic with a torque converter. But VW don't offer this and as I'm basically a lazy arse, I don't want to change gear myself :smiley:
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My drive is on a very slight incline and has a slight lip as you enter the garage. tried to use the natural drive of the car to get over it but would have to brake immediately after.. this just confused the crap out of dsg which would just shift in and out of gear or whatever it does when its not moving.
the natural torque of the r32 made it such a breeze to drive, so couldnt understand why the dsg would mess it up and rev so high??
6th gear @ 15mph once drove all the way home in 6th just because i could :laugh:
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I disagree (of course :grin:)
You may well get (claimed) better performance
:rolleyes: Cant comment on the mk6 but its proven (by everyone from standard cars to highly modified ones) DSG is quicker. Speak to vtec abuser, jonny c etc etc who all agree DSG is a huge advantage and worth a lot of extra time on the 1/4!
On the road however the difference is neglagable, down shifts are quicker and reversing is easy. Ive maneuvered my car in various situations.
My local high street on the isle of wight (when i go back) is very steep! The DSG parks with ease!
(http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/15338465.jpg)
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i will give it quicker... more fun?? no no no :grin:
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I'm just back from my dealer where I had the DSG GTD out for about 3 hours, then a manual GTI out for about 45 mins (had no fuel!!)
I have to say I'm VERY surprised with the GTD in general. I'm usually a diesel hater - but I was quite impressed with it. It was smooth, quiet and quick. Infact... (get ready for the unhappy GTI owners) I wouldn't say there was MUCH difference in power between the GTD and GTI. The GTI was definately faster, but not by as much as I was expecting. The GTD was torquier which proved useful on a couple of occassions when I had to overtake on country roads!
Anyway - DSG or Manual? I think this has made my mind up that the DSG is a winner! I drove it in auto mode for a while in traffic and general normal driving. It was always in the right gear - although personally I wouldn't be doing 35mph in 6th gear... but I suppose this is how it saves fuel. When putting the foot down is was very quick and responsive, and it was also good for down shifting with the paddles when coming into corners. It very rarely went into 1st gear unless I was totally stopped - but I guess this is a diesel thing?!
Is it worth £1300?! I can't really make my mind up about that!
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Is it worth £1300?! I can't really make my mind up about that!
It's definitely worth £1,300 for this technology - an absolute bargain to be honest. Personally I don't want it, even if it were standard and therefore free.
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Personally the DSG technology is on another level but I just cant get enough of the mechanical sound that you get from changing gears,im making a bold statement here but IMHO I think you would get bored of it in the long run.