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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: kusty on 29 September 2009, 10:56
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Sorry if this has been posted before but i couldn't find a satisfactory answer by searching.
Could someone who has driven their mk5 (gti if possible) on both of these tires comment on their performance?
Thanks.
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I have had them both though not on a GTi, it was on a BMW and the Michelin won it for me and they lasted longer too!! :wink:
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Glad you asked this one kusty!
Just trying to make exactly the same decision myself! :smiley:
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I have always bought the goodyears but next time will be going for the PS2's just to compare. Will report back in due course
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Hi There
I have the goodyear's on the front at moment great tyre, but dont last very long?? My next tyre's will be the PS2's. I have done 5000 miles & recon got another 1000 to go befor they need replacing?? For the extra money its got be PS2 also youll get longer life out them!! Enjoy steve Edition30 :wink:
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I've tried both and there is nothing in it in the dry. I've found the goodyears last longer and the michelins were worse in the wet and lethal in frosty/snowy conditions
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You must have the summer tyres on there? :sick:
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T_T will be along any minute to big up the PS2's! :laugh:
My tuppence worth: Goodyears better
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Hi There
I have the goodyear's on the front at moment great tyre, but dont last very long?? My next tyre's will be the PS2's. I have done 5000 miles & recon got another 1000 to go befor they need replacing?? For the extra money its got be PS2 also youll get longer life out them!! Enjoy steve Edition30 :wink:
So you are getting 6000 miles out of the front pair of Assymetrics? Do you do track days? I replaced all 4 at 29,000 and now with 10,000 on them they still have a good lot of miles left...
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No I dont do track days , but I do drive the car very well, probelry bit to hard :laugh:. Are you saying that you get 29000 out of GY front tyre's ??? :grin:
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Ha! Wouldn't that be nice! No I took off the old cheapo Korean rubber at 29000 on the clock a year ago and have covered 10k miles in the goodyears reckon the fronts are ok for another 5k and the rears are hardly touched.
I don't hammer it though.
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You must be driving around at 30mph all day hahaha :laugh:
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6000 out of the GY!!? You must drive around like Schumacher, I drive quite spiritly and got 15k out of my ones, and they came on the car and had already covered 2k.
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He's using launch control too much :-))
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I dont understand you guy's getting so much mileage from GY's ass? Alan I think you got the mileage wrong my son??? Just had a look my tyres and I recon another 2000 and they will need replacing total milage 8000 :angry: Somthing not right here??? :cry:
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I never use LC by the way!! Its gonna be the PS2 winter tyre next on mine!! Enjoy steve30
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I drive pretty hard and my gy are on 10k with at least another 3-4k left on them
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^^^ sounds about right...for fronts....I'm thinking my rears will go 20k, though will prolly change before that. I don't mess with boots, they make a huge diff to the car handling. May try mitchlin next up though, just to compare etc
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I got 12k out of mine on the front and 20k on the rears
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got the goodyears on my car (ed 30)all round and the tyre is absolutely fantastic, since putting them on it has transformed the car in every department. i can throw the car in to a corner at silly speeds and they just stick.
Did have michelins on my mk5 r32 and they were nothing special and in the wet they were hopeless(as all michelins are).
dont even think about getting any other tyre you will be wasting your money.
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Hmm,
I don't know now. I was all up for singing the praises of the Goodyear, but when I went to Spa this weekend and the weather turned wet, nearly everyone put Michelin PS2's on. Porsches, BMW's, allsorts. Mind you having said that I passed most of them with Toyo R888's :grin:
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just had some ps2's fitted today and all i can say is wow!
well pleased even just normal driving feels better, the grip is awesome!
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I've got PS2s on mine. Done 9000 miles on them and down to 3mm so need some new ones pretty soon. They are awesome though. Terrific grip in dry and wet conditions and the ride is pretty smooth.
Don't know what to get next though. Might look into getting something that lasts a bit longer.
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i'm on my third set of goodyears on my beemer - like 'em a lot
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You know, I'd rather have a Golf, funny old world.
Real Doc
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535d >>> Golf
:D
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good to hear that about PS2's ill be getting some soon.
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I have the goodyear's on the front at moment great tyre, but dont last very long?? My next tyre's will be the PS2's. I have done 5000 miles & recon got another 1000 to go befor they need replacing?? For the extra money its got be PS2 also youll get longer life out them!!
And the PS2s wont need three months to bed in like the F1s :lipsrsealed:
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T_T will be along any minute to big up the PS2's! :laugh:
My tuppence worth: Goodyears better
ORLY - is that why all of the high-end high performance car manufactures OEM supply Goodyears . . . . oh sorry, got that bit wrong didn't I. Goodyear F1s are NOT factory fitted by anyone - yet the PS2 is factory fitted by a shed load of manufactures, including Porsche, BMW, Audi, AMG-Mercedes, Renault, Ford, Bugatti . . . .
When the likes of Porsche deem that F1s are good enough, then they WILL offer them as factory fitment - but they don't - wonder why - simply because they are NOT as good as the PS2. :rolleyes:
ETTO and all that, though. :smiley:
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Did have michelins on my mk5 r32 and they were nothing special and in the wet they were hopeless(as all michelins are).
Yawn . . . if they were factory fittted on the R32, then they were NOT the PS2 - they would have been the Pilot Exalto PE2, which are a distinct step below the PS2. :rolleyes:
And in the wet, Michelins, of all flavours are categorically NOT 'hopeless' in the wet. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hmm,
I don't know now. I was all up for singing the praises of the Goodyear, but when I went to Spa this weekend and the weather turned wet, nearly everyone put Michelin PS2's on. Porsches, BMW's, allsorts. Mind you having said that I passed most of them with Toyo R888's :grin:
Exactly - 'serious' drivers know what works best. :afro: They tend to ignore all the 'marketing hype', along with some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills. :smug:
So was there anyone who ran on F1 Asymms? :undecided:
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good to hear that about PS2's ill be getting some soon.
You seriously wont regret going for PS2s. :afro:
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Hmm,
I don't know now. I was all up for singing the praises of the Goodyear, but when I went to Spa this weekend and the weather turned wet, nearly everyone put Michelin PS2's on. Porsches, BMW's, allsorts. Mind you having said that I passed most of them with Toyo R888's :grin:
Exactly - 'serious' drivers know what works best. :afro: They tend to ignore all the 'marketing hype', along with some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills. :smug:
So was there anyone who ran on F1 Asymms? :undecided:
All I know is that I do 18-20k a year driving in all conditions on all roads, and found for my beamer that the F1s (GSD3s) were outstanding, and would not recommend anything else having also had Conti's and Dunlop Sport 8080s (factory fitted and recommended). The forum I am still a member on, also recommends the GSD3 for their cars, by all sorts of people.
I cannot comment on the PS2, never run them - and would actually try them if they were the same price as the GSD3, as they are supposed to be very good. But as such I have just ordered 4 GSD3s for the GTI at £87 a corner, and I will report back over time to let you know they get on (unbiased).
The only way is to try them out and hear from the horses mouth, not what Porsche or BMW or whatever do because they probably have a nice deal in place with certain manufacturers. But also some people like different kinds of handling from their car which will affect their tyre choice.
As you say... ETTO :)
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The only way is to try them out and hear from the horses mouth, not what Porsche or BMW or whatever do because they probably have a nice deal in place with certain manufacturers.
BMW, AMG-Merc, and Audi, and the rest may do 'deals' - but Porsche categorially do not. And even on Audis AMGs and Beemers, their 'range' of OEM tyres are generally very high spec, high quality, high performance tyres - from leading brands. Which is why Michelin PS2, Continental CSC3, Bridgestone RE050A, Pirelli P-Zero Rosso, and even Dunlop SportMaxx GT (a million times better than the standard SportMaxx) - are the only ones available. Now, Goodyear own Dunlop, and Goodyear also claim to be a 'higher' brand than Dunlop - and being as Dunlop are already on the 'factory approved' lists, why arn't Goodyear? Afterall, Goodyear invariably are ALWAYS cheaper than Michelin and Continental, and lower-spec Goodyear tyres are also factory fitted on lesser models.
Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous. :sick: If an individual wishes to 'put up' with those flaws, then fine - but when peeps ask for advice, I think it is vital that the WHOLE TRUTH is aired, especially when tyres have a potentially dangerous flaw, which is then acknowledged by Goodyear, but who then do fcuk all about resolving the issues. Michelin certainly don't behave like that - and their 'customer service' is a million times better than either Goodyear or Dunlop - and I can report that from a very personal experience!
Going back to Porsche, they are ONLY interested in what makes their cars handle the best - and if that other German tyre company Fulda could make a tyre to work on a Porsche, or indeed any other company, including the likes of Toyo or Yokohama, then they too would be a factory supplied option, alongside the Mich PS2 and the Conti SportContact 3s. But Porsche arn't interested at all in 'dumbing down' their cars with inferior components to save a few Euros here and there. :smug:
But also some people like different kinds of handling from their car which will affect their tyre choice.
Agreed. But just because some 'rice burner drifter' likes a tyre which rapibly brakes away - that categorically does NOT mean they are better than a tyre which provides more overall grip.
And I also accept that certain tyres perform well on certain types of cars - BL/Rover always seem to work far better on Dunlops than Michelins, and French cars of the 1970s always seemed to work best on Kleber, and Fiats seemed to like Pirelli Cinturatos - but then that was soley down to 'buying from local suppliers', and then setting up their cars to suit the tyres.
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Hmmm just when I think Im going for the Assyms, TT shows up and bigs up the PS2's again. I think this time I am going to go for the PS2's as I have had the goodyears...
So soon enough I will have my own answer :nerd:
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Asymmetric's are a good tyre, but on this forum they are overrated, I bought 2 for the front on my car 6 months ago done 6000 on them and there is not much left on erm, maybe another 1000 miles. I bought them becuse of all the hype on this forum , yes they are good , sorry but I will be going for PS2's next !! enjoy Steve30 :laugh:
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Your Assyms laster 7k miles ! :shocked:
Do you drive around l like Sebastien Loeb everywhere?
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Just got 4 new F1 GSD3s fitted to the GTI this morning - £338.... pretty good price
First impressions - its like having an old friend back... I've covered over 120k on these tyres and I am glad that they feel the same on the GTI. Then again at the moment I am comparing then to very worn Sport Maxx, which quite frankly made my GTI feel like it was skating on ice!
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Hmmm just when I think Im going for the Assyms, TT shows up and bigs up the PS2's again. I think this time I am going to go for the PS2's as I have had the goodyears...
OK, I may be 'bigging up' the PS2 - but that is simply because they ARE better than the F1 - and I have repeatedly backed this up with all the examples of OEM fitments.
If peeps want to challenge my 'bigging up' of PS2s - then perhaps they can do so by providing concrete examples of OEM fitments of ANY Goodyear F1 tyre - afterall, as I have repeatedly stated, other tyres in Goodyears ranges are OEM fitted - but NOT the F1 - WHY? :rolleyes:
So soon enough I will have my own answer :nerd:
And I strongly doubt you will be disapointed with PS2s - but, as usual, ETTO and all that. :smiley:
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Asymmetric's are a good tyre, but on this forum they are overrated, I bought 2 for the front on my car 6 months ago done 6000 on them and there is not much left on erm, maybe another 1000 miles. I bought them becuse of all the hype on this forum , yes they are good , sorry but I will be going for PS2's next !! enjoy Steve30 :laugh:
Exactly - the F1 Asymms are 'good' - but they categorically are not 'great'.
There is far too much BS and hype on this (and other) forums - and even when peeps complain of actual probs with the Goodyears, they still big em up! :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes:
Sadly, some peeps just seem to be 'anti-Michelin'! :rolleyes:
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And I strongly doubt you will be disapointed with PS2s - but, as usual, ETTO and all that. :smiley:
And I strongly agree that I wouldnt! It was purely financial reasons to not go with the PS2s this time round for me... next time I will put the PS2s on, will be a good test :)
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I have some comments to make on this topic. Tire (or tyre) choice is so often subjective and not born out by timed performance testing. For example although driver A might not be able to beat driver B, driver A might still put his best lap time in on tyres which driver B found to be inferior. Hope that made sense. Put another way, if you put your car backwards into a hedge because you couldn't feel the Michelins on your car losing grip, it doesn't matter to you whether they are superior or not to a Dunlop on which you could feel the grip reducing.
I find the F1 to be a great tire but I've also driven cars with it where I didn't like it - a Lotus Exige comes to mind. T_T might think Michelin's PS2 is superior, but others might not. Personally I've only found the PS2 to suit heavier cars. That doesn't mean you will, however - you have to drive them back-to-back and see what suits the combination of you and your car. There is no other way.
Goodyear F1s are NOT factory fitted by anyone - yet the PS2 is factory fitted by a shed load of manufactures, including Porsche, BMW, Audi, AMG-Mercedes, Renault, Ford, Bugatti . . . .
When the likes of Porsche deem that F1s are good enough, then they WILL offer them as factory fitment - but they don't - wonder why - simply because they are NOT as good as the PS2. :rolleyes:
I have qualms with both these statements. Goodyear happen to have worked closely with many manufacturers including some US car manufacturers on high performance cars, notably Chevrolet and the Corvette.
Porsche are less likely to go to the trouble of dealing with a manufacturer based outside of Europe - for cost/communication/development/logistic reasons (Bridgestone being an obvious exception - but there is commercial history between the two companies). The Porsche approved tyres are also different to standard versions - as I'm sure everyone is aware - and so just saying 'Porsche use them so they must be good' is a moot point.
BMW, AMG-Merc, and Audi, and the rest may do 'deals' - but Porsche categorially do not.
I assure you - they do.
But Porsche arn't interested at all in 'dumbing down' their cars with inferior components to save a few Euros here and there. :smug:
Except the Cayenne of course, which is a VW touareg in drag. And many other Porsches have often contained many parts in common with lowly Volkswagen group cars.
Goodyear own Dunlop, and Goodyear also claim to be a 'higher' brand than Dunlop - and being as Dunlop are already on the 'factory approved' lists, why arn't Goodyear?
Goodyear are on the factory approved lists of many of the worlds largest car manufacturers. Dunlop was a small, failing British company and is now effectively just a brand name used by top-three manufacturer Goodyear - which incidentally means they are on the 'factory approved' lists you mention above.
Afterall, Goodyear invariably are ALWAYS cheaper than Michelin and Continental
Selling price is not necessarily an indication of quality or suitability for purpose.
Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous.
You don't want to listen to "some of the blatant bollox which spews out of journos quills", surely? I doubt an American company who have been on the wrong side of litigation before would want to put a tyre on the market which had serious/dangerous flaws. For my own reference, what are these supposed flaws?
and if that other German tyre company Fulda could make a tyre to work on a Porsche
Fulda are Goodyear's 'affordable tyre' brand in Europe, so they're playing to a different market segment.
With your opinions on supposedly inferior Mobil and Goodyear products, am I detecting an anti-American vibe here?
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IIRC, my Audi S4 had PS2 on it. And yeh, they were ok, BUT very expensive for what they are (imho)
The F1, I found to be a fantastic tyre - put a set on the Audi, and my 2 modded Scoobs before. Currently got F1s on Wifey's gti6 (306)
For the money, I think that they perform quite well.
Mind you, I also like the Toyo Proxies..........
just my 2p though :wink:
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Anti American??? T_T??? NO!!! :shocked: :laugh:
tbf they do chat alot of ball-ox :laugh:
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Look here...
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zeitung-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm
Hankook Ventus V12 Evos beat both PS2 and F1 tyres. At £70 each.
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I dont beleve that for one minute??? Some of those tyre's on there would not be any good on the Edition30?? Its all about what suites the car!! PS2's for me next, done the Goodyear's not a bad tyre but they dont last long in my eyes?? Steve30
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Here it is...
In Germany annual tyre tests are the norm. Auto Zeitung is Germanys oldest and most respected trade magazine and they have just published their 2009 tyre test. Testing 16 of the latest tyres, they use the common 225/45 R 17 Y size on a VW Golf FSI with 170 hp.
During the tests, they inspect the following characteristics with both subjective (feel) and actual measured data:
Aquaplaning: The speed at which the car starts to aquaplane.
Braking: 100km/h to standstill, measuring time and stopping distance.
Handling: A timed lap.
Subjective Handling: Assessing the feel and progressiveness of the tyre on track.
Slalom: The average speed between cones 18 metres apart.
The results are surprising. Including both the measured data, and the subjective scores the final results looks like this:
1. Pirelli P Zero
2. Continental Sport Contact 3
3. Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT
4. Hankook Ventus V12 Evo
5. Bridgestone Potenza RE 050 A
6. Michelin Pilot Sport 2
7. Uniroyal Rainsport 2
8. Nokian ZG2
9. Goodyear Eagle F1 A
10. Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
11. BF Goodrich G-Force Profiler
12. Firestone firehawk S790
13. Fulda Carat Excelero
14. Kumho Ecsta
15. Bravuris Barum
16. Toyo T1R
The results are interesting for a number of reasons. If you look at the most recent EVO tyre test, tyres we would expect to score well have been beaten by rather unexpected contenders. The Goodyear Eagle F1A, winner of the EVO test, scored well in raw data but was accused of being difficult to drive on the limit. This criticism was also aimed at the EVO runner up, the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta. Pirelli must have really improved the P Zero as it usually scores in the bottom third of group tests but this time lead the pack on both measured data and subjective handling while Toyo, a tuners favourite, ended up in a surprising final place.
What can we conclude from this? Clearly the P Zero has had a significant update, and Pirelli are once again a serious contender in the replacement market. The Hankook Ventus V12 is also placed surprisingly strong, and over the next 12 months could easily steal Toyo's crown as the budget performance tyre to be on. As for the rest of the results? If you drive a Golf, or another FWD car built on the VAG platform then you can make a pretty accurate tyre choice but if you drive a different type of car, such as a RWD vehicle then, as they say, "your mileage may vary"...
There's a tyre for TT at third place; Dunlop SP Sport Maxx TT
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Well after having a set of P Zeros on my Scoob, and the resulting handling that was akin to a slippery wet eel on a sheet of plastic, I wouldn't fit them to rollerskate stop, let alone a car.
SOrry, but I'll take that result with a pinch of salt tbh...
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Still think its Bull---- that testing of tyres its what suiets the car??
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Well after having a set of P Zeros on my Scoob, and the resulting handling that was akin to a slippery wet eel on a sheet of plastic, I wouldn't fit them to rollerskate stop, let alone a car.
SOrry, but I'll take that result with a pinch of salt tbh...
Likewise with the Sport Maxx, on EVERY car I've had.... in the wet they are positively lethal
Maybe we have a different kind of water to Germany? :D
What about the F1 GSD3s?
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Still think its Bull---- that testing of tyres its what suiets the car??
And your driving style, and your personal opinions/gripes :D
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Why dont we host a poll to see who drives with which tyre ?
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Me personally i would avoid the Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2's and Dunlop Sp Sportmax, due to these tyre "deforming" in shape, Tyre tread then starts to mis-shape and become Very noisey on the road.
For all round Value, i will have to say go for Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta, at £85-£90 each, they perform aswell as the More expensive Ps2's for half the money, and Recent Reviews have given this tyre on the GTi a very good report.
Im running 2 brand ones on the front on my edition30 stage 1, and cant get them to loose grip!!!!!
I shall be buying 2 more for the rear in the coming months.
If you look at my Sig pic, the front tyres are Vredesteins.
I have some photos of tyre close ups here...... REPLY 86
http://www.mk5golfgti.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8139.75
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Me personally i would avoid the Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2's and Dunlop Sp Sportmax, due to these tyre "deforming" in shape, Tyre tread then starts to mis-shape and become Very noisey on the road.
For all round Value, i will have to say go for Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta, at £85-£90 each, they perform aswell as the Most expensive Ps2's for half the money, and Recent Reviews have given this tyre on the GTi a very good report.
Im running 2 brand ones on the front on my edition30 stage 1, and cant get them to loose grip!!!!!
That's the best place to put them. These people who tell you off for putting new tyres on the front have never owned a car with different sized wheels front and back (like a Porsche).
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These are all summer tyres for road temperatures above 6C
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ie not winter tyres
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Why do people criticise the pirelli tyre so much?
This is a serious question as they are what came on my car so I have nothing to compare them to. Whilst ther ehave been negative post no one has really explained why they think they are bad.
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Are you saying that you get 29000 out of GY front tyre's ??? :grin:
The previous owner of my car squeezed 32k out of a set of mich exaltos on the front and they still had 3mm left on them!
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Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous. :sick: If an individual wishes to 'put up' with those flaws, then fine - but when peeps ask for advice, I think it is vital that the WHOLE TRUTH is aired, especially when tyres have a potentially dangerous flaw, which is then acknowledged by Goodyear, but who then do fcuk all about resolving the issues.
Can someone point me in the direction of this EVO article about the serious flaws in the F1 Assymetrics?
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Like I have always said, and has also been confirmed by the likes of Evo, the Goodyear F1 Asymmetric has some serious flaws - which verge on the dangerous. :sick: If an individual wishes to 'put up' with those flaws, then fine - but when peeps ask for advice, I think it is vital that the WHOLE TRUTH is aired, especially when tyres have a potentially dangerous flaw, which is then acknowledged by Goodyear, but who then do fcuk all about resolving the issues.
Can someone point me in the direction of this EVO article about the serious flaws in the F1 Assymetrics?
There are no serious flaws mentioned by Evo regarding the F1 Assym in the tyre test they ran in 2007.
Infact, it won that test.
Here is the quote from the results page:
A decisive win for the new Goodyear, with more table-topping performances than any other tyre. Better still, those wins came in the wet and the dry objective tests, and subjectively it was voted best tyre on the dry handling course. “The steering feels clean, direct and positive†said Bovingdon, “and there’s plenty of adjustability and agilityâ€. He praised the wet handling abilities too: “Very neutral – not a single correction requiredâ€. On the road it was a little noisy but Barker said it had “direct steering and a softly predictive feelâ€. And it comes in at a good price too.
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Well after having a set of P Zeros on my Scoob, and the resulting handling that was akin to a slippery wet eel on a sheet of plastic, I wouldn't fit them to rollerskate stop, let alone a car.
SOrry, but I'll take that result with a pinch of salt tbh...
Likewise with the Sport Maxx, on EVERY car I've had.... in the wet they are positively lethal
Maybe we have a different kind of water to Germany? :D
What about the F1 GSD3s?
The Sport Maxx TT looks to be a new model. Were you running the older Sport Maxx?
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Possibly... I couldn't tell you to be honest as I bought the car with them on. All I can say is that were bad, bordering on dangerous.. but they were at the end of their life too.