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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: smeg760 on 22 September 2009, 11:00
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How Do .
Would anybody know about which hubs i would need front and rear for my mk3 gti.
I have a set of 4x100 bbs style wheels of an e30 BMW wheels that i have spent blood tears and time on and i am not going to part with them. I obviously want to keep the rear set up as disk and would like the front to stay as 280mm so perhaps there wouldn't be the need to get new calipers maybe just carriers.
Did a search and read somthing about passats and and seats.
Could you maybee use the hubs of a passat 16v.
Any help would be chuffin appreciated.
James.. :undecided:
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Pretty sure that non GTi Mk3s are 4 stud. Perhaps you can get the bits from one of them? Not 100% tho, but seen plenty of wheels advertised for Mk3 with only 4 stud.
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Hell of a lot of work for a set of wheels!
Sell em and get 5 stud wheels!
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Hell of a lot of work for a set of wheels!
Sell em and get 5 stud wheels!
+1 if they are off a e30 BMW the offset will be all wrong anyway.
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You would probably be looking at a G60 set up if you want anything other than cheese for brakes.
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get some fk/h&r pcd adaptors
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get some fk/h&r pcd adaptors
PCD adapters dont go backwards from 5x100 to 4x100 as the holes get a little bit to close.
They do exist, but i dont think big brands sell them due to them being a bit dodgey.
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get some fk/h&r pcd adaptors
PCD adapters dont go backwards from 5x100 to 4x100 as the holes get a little bit to close.
They do exist, but i dont think big brands sell them due to them being a bit dodgey.
ow really?
http://www.venommotorsport.com/manufacturer_product.php?manufacturer=FK&category=wheel&product=PCDs&make=VW&model=Golf%20Mk%203
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where's the 5x100 to 4x100 adaptors on that link??
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get some fk/h&r pcd adaptors
PCD adapters dont go backwards from 5x100 to 4x100 as the holes get a little bit to close.
They do exist, but i dont think big brands sell them due to them being a bit dodgey.
ow really?
http://www.venommotorsport.com/manufacturer_product.php?manufacturer=FK&category=wheel&product=PCDs&make=VW&model=Golf%20Mk%203
Fail.
Believe me now?
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That is what it would look like
(http://gallery.achtuning.com/main.php/d/23432-4/DSC_4109sized.jpg)
And it would require one long bolt in one hole, and the others standard length.
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I don't get why they do 4x100 - 5x100 and not the other way around, surely the bolts would be in the same place?
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I believe for the fronts you can have a 4 stud flange (lol) pressed in and for the rears you need to swap the discs to a 4x100 pair :)
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I don't get why they do 4x100 - 5x100 and not the other way around, surely the bolts would be in the same place?
Not sure but I looked for ages and never found any.
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simple to do this:
for the fronts you need:
-need hubs from the mk2 golf gti 16v (late so it has 256mm brakes)
-g60 discs
for the rears:
-mk2 gti discs
done! you can use all your existing calipers and carriers.
might be worth changing tie rod ends, ball joints, etc in the process too.
you can get a pair of new g60 discs from gsf for like £60 i think and the mk2 gti rears are like £40... not too sure, but i paid around this i think.
:)
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The above kinda works, problem is you need to swap the balljoints over and mod the wishbones. trouble with doing it that way is the wheel ends up off centre in the arch as the ball joint mounting on the wishbone is further forward/back. This will throw the geometry out.
Ideally you want 4 stud MK3/Passat wishbones, but this also means you need to change the anti roll bar as the end fixings differ between 4 & 5 stud, which involves dropping the subframe.
Once you get that sorted pretty much any VAG 4 stud bearing carriers with 256+ front brakes will work, high spec mk3, passat, SEAT etc. Then you also need to swap the outer c/v joints for MK2/3 4 stud ones as the spline is different.
Another solution is to swap 4 stud hubs into your 5 stud bearing carriers, again swap the outer C/Vs. Issue here is the discs, you'll need to re-drill them to suit
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That is what it would look like
(http://gallery.achtuning.com/main.php/d/23432-4/DSC_4109sized.jpg)
And it would require one long bolt in one hole, and the others standard length.
And note that this acts as a 20mm spacer! So you need to look at the offset of your wheels and then work out if you will have clearance problems.
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Cheers everyone for all this information it has given me plenty of food for thought,
Would i be right in saying pressing the 4 stud hub into the 5 stud carrier is the easiest option and rather than get the disks re-drilled i could buy some more ?
Love this forum just love it.
James...
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Easiest option is still to get some different wheels!
Think about this, how long will you keep the car? When and if you go to sell it this mod may affect the value and sellability!
I certainly wouldnt buy a car that had been mucked about with in this way as you would never know how well it had been done!
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Easiest option is still to get some different wheels!
Think about this, how long will you keep the car? When and if you go to sell it this mod may affect the value and sellability!
I certainly wouldnt buy a car that had been mucked about with in this way as you would never know how well it had been done!
+1 offset will be wrong as well if they are from a E30
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most e30 wheels will be et24ish, which will fit a mk3 fine, i had a set of beemer wheels on my mk2 no issues. however with the adaptor as above you would be et5, which is never gonna work. i struggled enough with et13s on my mk2!
easiest solution is to sell the mk3 and buy a mk2 ;)
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The above kinda works, problem is you need to swap the balljoints over and mod the wishbones. trouble with doing it that way is the wheel ends up off centre in the arch as the ball joint mounting on the wishbone is further forward/back. This will throw the geometry out.
Ideally you want 4 stud MK3/Passat wishbones, but this also means you need to change the anti roll bar as the end fixings differ between 4 & 5 stud, which involves dropping the subframe.
Once you get that sorted pretty much any VAG 4 stud bearing carriers with 256+ front brakes will work, high spec mk3, passat, SEAT etc. Then you also need to swap the outer c/v joints for MK2/3 4 stud ones as the spline is different.
Another solution is to swap 4 stud hubs into your 5 stud bearing carriers, again swap the outer C/Vs. Issue here is the discs, you'll need to re-drill them to suit
ahh i did not know that. it all fitted my mk3 fine. although it was 4 stud before......
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yeah since it started as a 4 stud that'll be why ;)
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So would the offset be changed any if i was to press the 4 stud hub into the 5 stud carrier and what size discs could i buy whilst retaining the original gti calipers.
This is why i love my dubs the knowing the not knowing and the finding out.
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offset wouldnt be effected, you would buy std 5x100 discs but you would have to re-drill them to 4x100
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I have just reread your 1st post, they are not even genuine BBS's so is it really worth the hassle / costs etc.
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E30 rims are 4x100 anyway
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Depends what size brakes you have, if they are 280mm then corrado or golf G60 ones will fit onto a 4 stud hub, if they are 256 then 4 stud GTI ones will fit, if they are the 288mm VR6 ones then there are a set from I believe a cavalier turbo or calibra that are 288mm and 4x100 :)
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I believe a cavalier turbo or calibra that are 288mm and 4x100 :)
If they are, that is awesome. :smiley:
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Depends what size brakes you have, if they are 280mm then corrado or golf G60 ones will fit onto a 4 stud hub, if they are 256 then 4 stud GTI ones will fit, if they are the 288mm VR6 ones then there are a set from I believe a cavalier turbo or calibra that are 288mm and 4x100 :)
Cavalier and Calibra Turbo are 5x110 as was the V6 cars.
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:undecided:
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:undecided:
Why ?
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actually, i dont know why lol.
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Ah sorry no that was for something else, Vauxhell Meriva 4x100 and 284mm are the nearest you will get :)
(http://www.opel-blitz.lv/files/bildes/09.5807.10.jpg)
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Only really matters if it's a VR with 288mm brakes tbh. I had a set which is why I looked into it didn't want to go 5 stud and widetrack on the Flog :) centre bores may differ and iirc fiat coupe turbo brakes may be the same :)
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http://vapmotorsports.com/product_details.php?category_id=284&item_id=130
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Depends what size brakes you have, if they are 280mm then corrado or golf G60 ones will fit onto a 4 stud hub, if they are 256 then 4 stud GTI ones will fit, if they are the 288mm VR6 ones then there are a set from I believe a cavalier turbo or calibra that are 288mm and 4x100 :)
this doesnt work if you press 4 stud hubs into 5 stud bearing carriers, the disc offset is different hence why I said about re-drilling the 5 stud discs.
4 stud disc:
(http://www.vwspares.co.uk/images/11206.jpg)
5 stud disc:
(http://www.vwspares.co.uk/images/06548.jpg)
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http://vapmotorsports.com/product_details.php?category_id=284&item_id=130
this wont work either if the op retains the 5 stud bearing carriers with 4 stud hubs pressed in. As above, the disc offset is different so the calipers & discs wont fit together. Need to redrill a 5 stud 288 disc to 4x100
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Yeah i see what your saying So 4 stud hub press it is and a wee bit of re drilling .
So for the rear i would need to split the hub of a mk2 16v or perhaps a passat ?
ps I really didnt expect such a response this forum is soooo gurd.
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for the rear its easy, just fit 4 stud rear discs to your existing stubbies :)
biggest dificulty will probasbly getting the carrier bolts off, they can be a total nightmare
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Ahhh I Know those Little Alan bolts well.
I will just have to get phisical with a hacksaw. Then get real nasty with a blow torch and a lovely cup of tea at work. That shouldget those little sh**s out.
I am a slowly slowly catchy monkey type but I will get some pics up the finished job some day.
Cheers Everyone.
James..
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I have a mk3 golf 8v I got some 4 stud wheels at a bargain price the rear conversion was a doddle but now I'm struggling with the front.
I have a set of 4 stud hubs off a carrado with no ABS and g60 calipers.
A set of 4 stud hubs with ABS form eBay not sure what off though. They all look very similar except the lower ball joint on the originals differs.
I'm thinking that by undoing the 3 bolts on the ball joint I can remove the whole hub and insert the replacement. Fingers crossed this might do the trick.
My other thoughts where to just replace the bearing and hubs and insert them into the original.
I'm looking at keeping the car for a good few years to come and understand that buying other wheels is the simple option.
God loves a truer thought I'd share this see what others think.
Happy new year
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I'd swap the hubs over