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General => General discussion => Topic started by: 106rallye on 20 September 2009, 21:42
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Hi people im new to this forum i currently have a 106 rallye track car that i have owned for a few years im now looking to move on!
I was thinking about a mk1 or mk2 with a 20vt lump id be doing the conversion myself and if so is it a hard one to do is there much welding required im a mechanic anyways so nothing should be too bad but id like some advice from someone who has done one! On the other hand i was thinking about going for a mk4 20vt but im a bit worried about the weight as im used to a 850 kg car with 165bhp so i think id need at least 250bhp stripped out mk4 golf to make it faster than my rallye! Has ayone got a mk4 they use for track that could shed some light on it for me!
Sorry about waffling on but i need to know this is the right kinda idea for me
any replys/advice will be great many thanks Neil
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What sort of budget you got? You may find you can pick up a pre converted MKII that you can then strip out and track.
Welcome aboard by the way :-)
Nick
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Welcome along :smiley:
As you're a mechanic you probably won't find it too difficult and could probably save some dosh by voiding the pre-made 'plug and pray' kits.
Have a looksie in the dub rides threads & Golf1&2 project sections :wink:
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budget will be what the rallye sells for + 1k or so
probs about 5-5500 so should be enough to get the ball rolling :smiley:
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http://www.edition38.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=255627
Bang on your budget and you could sell some of the spangly crap and get some ££££'s back.
nick
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thanks for looking does look real nice
prob wont be about in a month or so when i have made my mind up and the rallye goes
do any companys do a mount kit so i could just put the 20vt straight in as id like to do the project my self idealy
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Engine mounts are pretty much the same I think, physically getting them is easy as most VW engines use the same basic block design. It's just the wiring and zorst that are a bit fiddly. Gearbox wise I believe you need to change a MKII to to hydro clutch from cable and the gear linkage from rod to cable but you just use off the shelf bits, I believe it's not that hard.
Nick
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thats sounds more like it id have complete leon, a3 , golf as a donor car like a salvage one that i can scrap after robbing all the bits off !
i have converted my rallye form 8to16v and put throttle bodies on it but i have allways loved mk2s
dont spose you would roughly know the weight of a mk2 ?
cheers Neil
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Off hand no. Have a look in the dub rides part of the forum for Diamond Hell's Not So Cheap Track Car thread and Veedubgti26v's 85 GTI thread as they have both weighed theirs after stripping them out. I am yet to get mine on a weigh bridge.
Nick
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I just had a quick look and Mark's 16v MKII stripped out is 918KG's with a full tank.
nick
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lovely thanks for your help
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lovely thanks for your help
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No worries, will be good to have another trackdayer on here. There's a good 5 of us in MKII's plus at least one MKIII and one MKIV and Hurdy with his insane soon to be 400bhp+ MKV!
Whereabouts you based and what circuits you done in the 106?
Nick
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And if you bored here's the 41 page epic on mine so far!
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=116206.0
Nick
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ill have a quick read through that :smiley:
this year i have only manged 3 trackdays brands 2 times once in the rain and snetterton
im based in essex
(http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo303/thestig42/XSP_0321.jpg)
here is a quick pic from snet :smiley:
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That looks wicked!
Nick
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For the best range of build threads for track day cars, including Golf2 VR6 (that actually handles), Golf2 1.8T, Golf2 16V, Golf3s and also a Golf4 1.8T go log in to the forum area of www.northloop.co.uk and have a look through the Members cars and projects section.
If you fancy something different after the 106 I'd recommend a Golf2 Syncro with a Rallye Golf/Passat Syncro gearbox and various other running gear, plus a grunty motor in the front - lighter than a Rallye Golf and stiffer shell than a 2WD Golf there are two people on here who run them as track cars...... or with the money you're thinking you'll get, go buy a Golf2 G60 or G60 Syncro from Germany - high tunnel shell with/without 4WD and you can swap the motor out for something tougher further down the line.
I'm surprised a 106 is worth that much, to be honest - plenty of Golf2 track prepped motors (normally 16V) that come up for more like £1000-1500.
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I'm surprised a 106 is worth that much, to be honest - plenty of Golf2 track prepped motors (normally 16V) that come up for more like £1000-1500.
It's a rallye though so pretty sort after.
Nick
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I'm surprised a 106 is worth that much, to be honest - plenty of Golf2 track prepped motors (normally 16V) that come up for more like £1000-1500.
It's a rallye though so pretty sort after.
Nick
a rallye is just a gti with slightly less interior and 8 less valves. worth about 2.5k tops with cage.
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special model though so they are worth a bit. there arent hundereds of them out there like mk2 golfs! they are wicked little cars
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I'm surprised a 106 is worth that much, to be honest - plenty of Golf2 track prepped motors (normally 16V) that come up for more like £1000-1500.
It's a rallye though so pretty sort after.
Nick
a rallye is just a gti with slightly less interior and 8 less valves. worth about 2.5k tops with cage.
I dunno, I just heard they were sort after over the GTI's etc. I'm not into pugs, just what I heard on the interwebz about them.
nick
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Gearbox wise I believe you need to change a MKII to to hydro clutch from cable and the gear linkage from rod to cable but you just use off the shelf bits, I believe it's not that hard.
You can stay cable-actuated clutch - plenty in the Golf2 section about it :tongue:
a rallye is just a gti with slightly less interior and 8 less valves. worth about 2.5k tops with cage.
I think you'll find depending upon the *actual* Rallye we're talking about there are myriad detail differences, which can make all the difference, especially to potential purchasers.
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special model though so they are worth a bit. there arent hundereds of them out there like mk2 golfs! they are wicked little cars
they are a special model but in this case the OP has swapped the 1.6 8v for a 1.6 16v from a GTI anyway so it's moot as to what model the car was to start with. may as well have bought a gti and stripped it in the first place.
DH i'm not saying this car isn't minted in any way - i'm saying it wouldn't make a difference what it was worth if it started life out as a 1.1 zest, 8v rallye or 16v gti due to how much it's changed from its original spec.
what i will say is 205 rallyes, 106 rallyes were both ghey standard cos you could strip out a gti and be the faster/cheaper for it.
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it must be the stickers then :grin:
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what i will say is 205 rallyes, 106 rallyes were both ghey standard cos you could strip out a gti and be the faster/cheaper for it.
Now it's interesting you should mention that, because the original 205 Rallye was a very different beast to the stock 205s, as it was built for rally homologation purposes, so had a screaming 1.4 carb motor and all sorts of trickness in the shell.
Unfortunately my brain lost interest in retaining information about the 106 Rallye, which suggests it was just a basic 106 with some stickers 'n' stuff. I suspect the OP will be along shortly to correct me.
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my mate has a white 205 rallye, apparently one of 500 made. 250 in white and 250 in yellow. the shells are wider at least at the front as he bought a normal 205 strut brace for it and it wasnt wide enough
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they rallye as its stands is wortho about 4-4250 at the mo as there are not that many left there were 500 in white and 500 in blue series 2 there is 400 or white ones left
she is pretty well speced
gaz coilovers
omp 10 point cage
sparco safari wheel
206 gti brakes ds2500 pads stainless lines
saxo vts engine skimmed head port and polish
cat cams 708's
new bearings through out engine new oil pump, pistonrings ect
only 55,000 on enigne
gsxr 1000 throttle bodies
megasquirt ecu
pug sport group n exhaust
pug sport sparco seats momo harnesses
vibratechnics engine mounts
strut brace
the list goes on
i think it will get the money fine as rallye prices seem to be on the rise
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here is some info about the s2 rallye http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/index.php?pageid=s2intro
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here is some info about the s2 rallye http://www.106rallyeforum.com/forum2008/index.php?pageid=s2intro
in summary: a gti with slightly less interior and a worse engine.
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i would pay good money for your pug mate. and probably a beter track tool than most golfs out there. even i get the blinkers off sometimes.
rarer than any mk2 apart from a rallye or 2dr syncro, a very nice engine and management, and the same track spec any golf would get. clean too.
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i would pay good money for your pug mate. and probably a beter track tool than most golfs out there. even i get the blinkers off sometimes.
rarer than any mk2 apart from a rallye or 2dr syncro, a very nice engine and management, and the same track spec any golf would get. clean too.
id agree it is a wicked track tool but i dont want to throw 5-6k at the engine for another 35bhp and then it becomes un driveable on the road and needs regluar rebuilds
hence the reason mk2 gti with 20vt lump can easy get 300bhp be driveable and relyable