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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Hairy Porter on 16 September 2009, 18:22
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The R20T is called the Golf R
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The R20T is called the Golf R
Cheeky barstewards!!! thats what i call my car :laugh:
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Who locked the other thread and why? The amount of sh!t in this section and a perfectly good thread gets locked :rolleyes:
No wonder most people are using the 'other' forum now.
EDIT: it was you? Just because you owned yourself in the mk5 forum by being late you locked the thread :rolleyes:
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what can be said about eggbert that hasnt already
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what can be said about eggbert that hasnt already
He is eggbert? No way he has moderator powers if it is? He was a nob!
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Who locked the other thread and why?
I was just away to say the same!!
I think its odd how VW officially announce the Golf R 2 days ago and its expected to be on the road in the UK by December. They announced the Roc R in May, and its not expected to be on the road until next year!!
The more I read the press release, and the various autocar etc articles, the better it sounds. The only thing is trying to justify £33k (or around that!) on a Golf. Someone mentioned in the other R20 thread that the MK5 R32 was a 7% price increase on the MK5 GTI. What the hell is going on in VW's heads that they can crank it up to £28,500?!
£25k would be fair enough, or even £26k... but I'm going to struggle with £28.5k!
Keyless start was something mentioned on a German Scirocco forum earlier about a week 45 build change along with a few other bits and bobs - oh and a R-line pack. I've noticed that the front parking sensors are hidden in the black ducts. They're hardly noticable!
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You can lock your own threads mod or not.
nick
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You can lock your own threads mod or not.
nick
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Who locked the other thread and why? The amount of sh!t in this section and a perfectly good thread gets locked :rolleyes:
No wonder most people are using the 'other' forum now.
EDIT: it was you? Just because you owned yourself in the mk5 forum by being late you locked the thread :rolleyes:
My guess is because it's 'officially' the Golf R now not the Golf R20T.
What other forum by the way? I think this one is brilliant.
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You can lock your own threads mod or not.
nick
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Eh?
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Not you mate, its gay he can lock his thread.....and he is of course :grin:
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I've just got letter from my dealer confirming my deposit on the "Golf R20". Does that mean I've placed a deposit for a non-existent car? Doh! :rolleyes:
From the previous thread:
Take a look at this Mk5 price list:
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/pricelists/golf-pricelist.pdf
Mk5 GTI 3 door manual was £21,265
Mk5 R32 3 door manual was £22,855
So R32 has 7.5% premium over GTI.
Mk6 GTI 3 door manual is £23,015
Mk6 R 3 door manual is £23,015 + 7.5% (£1,726.13) = £24,751.13
Can't see how they can justify £28,500!
That pricelist was from Feb 2009 after VW had discounted the R32 considerably so my calculations may not hold water.
Still think £28,500 is taking the p**s.
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Keyless start was something mentioned on a German Scirocco forum earlier about a week 45 build change
Wonder if that'll be available on the GTI too. How does it work - do you just need to have the key in your pocket or something?
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Wonder if that'll be available on the GTI too. How does it work - do you just need to have the key in your pocket or something?
I'm not entirely sure about the VW one as its a 'coming soon' feature!
My gf's dad has a Merc ML63 which has keyless entry / start. He has a card he keeps in his pocket. His doorhandles have little buttons on them that you press to lock / unlock. Once you get in the car, you simply press START and it starts. A nice idea in principle - but what happens if your standing close to the car - can someone else start it and drive it away?! I'll need to check with him tomorrow how it works fully!!
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i had keyless on my astra vxr, quite a good system but found that people were having trouble with it, i never did.
you just walk up to the car and open the door and it unlocks then jump in and push brake or clutch and start button
sometimes it would not pick up the key and i would have to move the key about to pick it up
locking it involved passing my finger over the sensor in the door handle or pressing the button on the key fob the range for detection to open was 0.5m
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I much prefer a proper key to turn and a proper button to press on the key to know I have locked the car ok!
Love technology yes but there are some things should remain for piece of mind.
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I much prefer a proper key to turn and a proper button to press on the key to know I have locked the car ok!
Love technology yes but there are some things should remain for piece of mind.
Ooooo... listen to you with your old skool V6. :wink:
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Keyless start was something mentioned on a German Scirocco forum earlier about a week 45 build change
Wonder if that'll be available on the GTI too. How does it work - do you just need to have the key in your pocket or something?
brilliant- a feature stolen from a 7k suzuki swift
so who's cancelling their order? I'm really tempted (but not it it turns out to be £28.5 pre options)
are the deals on GTIs over too? if i could get the same £2k discount it would be a stretch
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Keyless start was something mentioned on a German Scirocco forum earlier about a week 45 build change
Wonder if that'll be available on the GTI too. How does it work - do you just need to have the key in your pocket or something?
brilliant- a feature stolen from a 7k suzuki swift
so who's cancelling their order? I'm really tempted (but not it it turns out to be £28.5 pre options)
are the deals on GTIs over too? if i could get the same £2k discount it would be a stretch
Cancelling the GTI order ? Hell no !
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A lovely new family sized car for the cost of a secondhand gas guzzling RS4 or a new BMW 1 series herse.
And with proper 4WD, the Mk5 tough as boots engine, I forgot to pre-order today, my dog ran off.
They will sell 3000 next year, never mind the scare of only 500 to UK.
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not that keen at first but the more i look at pics its growing on me, what isn't growing on me is the price, i personaly like leather on a R model it isnot necessary on a gti for me, so its over 30k for me which is 2nd hand m3 or a good 335i coupe money. Ive paid 27.5k for a golf R32 before but it felt special and somehow ive got a feeling if the mk6 R is anything like the S3 to drive then its going to be dull and numb. So if thats the case id rather have a mk5 ed30, mk5 R32 or a mk6 gti. I hope im wrong about how the new golf R drives tho and it turns out it drives nothing like the s3 to drive.
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Just spoken to VW Customer Services about the Golf R:
- Expect it to be available to order start of December with prices and specifications launched at the same time
- Expect it to be in the showroom and available to test drive in January
All above subject to change, though that's what they're working to at the moment.
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Were they able to confirm a price?
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Were they able to confirm a price?
Nope - we'll find out start of Dec apparently. Was hoping to get one before the end of year to avoid the 2.5% VAT increase, but not looking likely. :cry:
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Just as i expected, no chance of getting once in Dec, so who is it that owes me a GTI ?
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Here are some nice pictures that have started trickling through into the French press as the Frankfurt Motor Show gets under way. NOTE THE LED REAR LIGHTS!! :drool: Don't care for the central pipes, though...
(http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_13027_5.jpg)
(http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_13027_9.jpg)
(http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_13027_7.jpg)
(http://www.moniteurautomobile.be/medias/pics/X_13027_3.jpg)
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How about a black 5 door:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/mobiledreams12/golfr_black.jpg)
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PS: Sorry for the poor Photochopping - I'm a beginner.
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Thats gives us a good general idea! Will looker cracker in black. Would love to see white if you get time :smiley: ......
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Here's what they say in the Moniteur Automobile, a small, but extremely well-respected Belgian magazine. I couldn't be bothered to translate it all myself, so just put it through the Google translator, sorry. Still, I think you'll get the drift...
The most powerful Golf history model was shown in Frankfurt. VW has built a 2-liter TSI 270 hp under the hood of the sedan with appendices of circumstance.
With its 270 hp (199 kW), the Volkswagen Golf R makes 20 hp compared to the Golf R32. However, it lost 1.2 liters of displacement (cons 2 liters 3.2 liters) and 2 cylinders (4 against 6). As a bonus, consumption fell by 21%: 8.5 liters per 100 km (8.4 with DSG) against 10.7 liters with the R32. Performance is obviously stronger. Apart from the electronic limitation of 250 km / h, the R is better than any other Golf: 0 to 100 km / h in 5.7 s and 5.5 s with the DSG. In this case, a second faster than the R32. More than a second making also kilometer standing start: 25.4 s against 26.7.
The TSI direct-injection turbocharged 1984 cc developing 350 Nm (+ 30 Nm) to 5000 rpm. All the torque and power are transmitted to the four-wheel drive 4Motion new generation. With this development, it is no longer necessary to have differences in diet between the front and rear to activate the clutch SUV's. This operation uses an electric pump which provides pressure rise up to 30 bars. The pressure to build on the slats of the clutch increases proportionally to the desired torque on the rear axle. Moreover, it can operate independently of skating. The Golf has an R rating for the front, but does not hesitate to use the rear, left to become the drive for a moment.
The Golf R features a sport chassis, wheels of 18 inches and reinforced brakes. This device is a 17-inch discs internally ventilated 345 mm front and 310 mm rear. The calipers gloss black lacquer are embellished logo R The PSE has of course been adapted to respond later. It adapts to the driving mode selected (Comfort, Normal or Sport), as the steering.
The front of this R shows three large air inlets in the bumper. We also see a ramp diode acting as DRL. And overnight, the bi-xenon headlamps are fitted as standard. The rear exhaust outlets, the diffuser, spoiler and more LED lights covered with tinted windows make it almost superfluous R logo. In the cockpit, an effort has been expended on the ergonomic seats and equipped with many settings. Optionally, you can mount the bucket seats.
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How about a black 5 door:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/mobiledreams12/golfr_black.jpg)
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PS: Sorry for the poor Photochopping - I'm a beginner.
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Mm I'm liking that in black :grin:
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3 door front view:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/mobiledreams12/golf_r_black_front_3dr.jpg)
Again - a bit rushed. But you get the idea.
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The problem with black (or the advantage with black) is that it hides almost all the 'details' which make the car different from an ordninary Golf.
My MkIV was black for exactly that reason - although come to think of it all MkIV's look the same anyway!
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6-speed, 36.000€
DSG 38.000€
el expenso!
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German web special for the Scirocco and Golf R:
http://tinyurl.com/l8s5gy
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Oh dear, those blue needles on the instruments are ghastly :sick:
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Oh dear, those blue needles on the instruments are ghastly :sick:
I was just going to say how badly I miss blue needles... :grin:
Guess its just down to personal taste in the end... but do find the red a little more difficult to see than the blue. Quite sure thats why they changed the gti dials to white (r32 like) and ditched the red overkill from the mk5.
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I have to say that 'boring' white is far easier to read than the fancy colours they've been experimenting with over the past few years. It also looks 'tidier' somehow, not so flash.. a bit like cars used to be in the 1970s :smiley:
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And with proper 4WD, the Mk5 tough as boots engine, I forgot to pre-order today, my dog ran off.
It seems perhaps the 4WD is not so 'proper' after all:
From VW Vortex:
The new Golf R utilizes a newer version of the Haldex all-wheel-drive system that does not require slip to engage AWD. Rather the new system is pre-primed and looks at throttle position and torque being delivered to determine how much clutch-pack locking to initiate. What this means is if the car is floored from a standing start, the electronics automatically assume that maximum torque is required and pre-engages the AWD system to maximize grip for the launch. When the car is normally driving down the highway in a situation where AWD isn't necessary, the system disengages the AWD clutch pack to reduce frictional losses and improve economy. Overall the new system is far more responsive and progressive in its behavior.
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Go test drive a new S3, its has gen4 haldex (same as the golf r)
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Go test drive a new S3, its has gen4 haldex (same as the golf r)
I know how the S3 drives...and fully expect the Golf R to be similar...but some were suggesting it was some radical new 4WD system that can somehow sent 100% torque to the rear...which it plainly cannot do.
Nothing wrong with how it operates...but it's not some magical semi-RWD Golf!
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Go test drive a new S3, its has gen4 haldex (same as the golf r)
I know how the S3 drives...and fully expect the Golf R to be similar...but some were suggesting it was some radical new 4WD system that can somehow sent 100% torque to the rear...which it plainly cannot do.
Nothing wrong with how it operates...but it's not some magical semi-RWD Golf!
I think too many people read too much into the VW press blurb! It's a bit like when the mk6 GTI was released and people thought it had some magical limited slip diff when all it really has is a clever traction control system.
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Quote from the VW website....
Four-wheel drive
"Unlike the four-wheel-drive system fitted to the R32, which relied on differing wheel speeds between the front and rear axles, the Golf R uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that reacts quicker and reduces wheelspin by limiting the torque channelled through either axle. In extreme cases, up to 100 per cent of the torque can be channelled to the rear wheels if required."
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Quote from the VW website....
Four-wheel drive
"Unlike the four-wheel-drive system fitted to the R32, which relied on differing wheel speeds between the front and rear axles, the Golf R uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that reacts quicker and reduces wheelspin by limiting the torque channelled through either axle. In extreme cases, up to 100 per cent of the torque can be channelled to the rear wheels if required."
There you go...seems clear enough to me.
But it can't happen on a transverse Haldex set-up...unless this is some revolutionary new system - which I doubt...
The later Gen Haldex don't purely rely in differing wheels speeds - they send power rearwards accoring to throttle angle and rate of opening...but that doesn't make it revolutionary, the S3 has it already!
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Quote from the VW website....
Four-wheel drive
"Unlike the four-wheel-drive system fitted to the R32, which relied on differing wheel speeds between the front and rear axles, the Golf R uses a pre-charged hydraulic system that reacts quicker and reduces wheelspin by limiting the torque channelled through either axle. In extreme cases, up to 100 per cent of the torque can be channelled to the rear wheels if required."
The key phrase here is "In extreme cases". The car will still be set up to understeer under normal circumstances.
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The key phrase here is "In extreme cases". The car will still be set up to understeer under normal circumstances.
The only extreme case I can think of is where the front wheels are on ice, and the rears have grip...then you will get 100% of the meaningful torque to the back wheels...although that's not the same as 100% torque, which suggests they can in some way disconnect the front wheels from being driven - which as far as I know, they can't.
I agree though, the default will be nice, safe, understeer.
VWs don't do lairy oversteer, either power oversteer, or lift off oversteer.
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The only extreme case I can think of is where the front wheels are on ice, and the rears have grip...then you will get 100% of the meaningful torque to the back wheels...although that's not the same as 100% torque, which suggests they can in some way disconnect the front wheels from being driven - which as far as I know, they can't.
Yep - I agree. It'll not be rear-biased like the Torsen/longitudinal in Audi RSs.
I agree though, the default will be nice, safe, understeer.
VWs don't do lairy oversteer, either power oversteer, or lift off oversteer.
Don't have a problem with that setup - pretty much same as Mk5 R32 which gives it a nice planted feel. Though should be more responsive with the new "primed pump" system.
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I dont get why they have felt the need to have a "new system" if that is the only benifit. It only took a maximum of 15 degree rotation(spin) before torque was transfered to the rear wheels anyway.
Sound like a load of cobblers to me :undecided:
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VWs don't do lairy oversteer, either power oversteer, or lift off oversteer.
Not driven a MKII in anger then?
nick
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Not driven a MKII in anger then?
nick
Not driven a 205 GTI? :tongue:
That's lift off oversteer...My Mk3 GTI will lift off oversteer if you provoke it, as a Mk2 will...but not with the twitch of a toe that the 205 would.
The Golfs have a rock steady rear end next to things like that.
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Not driven a MKII in anger then?
nick
Yeah well they didn't call the 205 GTI "The Widowmaker" for nothing.
I used to be into Minis and they're also very easy to provoke into lift off oversteer and while admit the MKII isn't as easy as the 205 or the mini it's still pretty lively when you provoke it.
Nick
Not driven a 205 GTI? :tongue:
That's lift off oversteer...My Mk3 GTI will lift off oversteer if you provoke it, as a Mk2 will...but not with the twitch of a toe that the 205 would.
The Golfs have a rock steady rear end next to things like that.
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Yeah well they didn't call the 205 GTI "The Widowmaker" for nothing.
I used to be into Minis and they're also very easy to provoke into lift off oversteer and while admit the MKII isn't as easy as the 205 or the mini it's still pretty lively when you provoke it.
Nick
I never found the 205 bad...you just had to know it would do it, and keep your foot in.
Never had a problem.
I never knew Minis would lift off oversteer either!
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Yeah well they didn't call the 205 GTI "The Widowmaker" for nothing.
I used to be into Minis and they're also very easy to provoke into lift off oversteer and while admit the MKII isn't as easy as the 205 or the mini it's still pretty lively when you provoke it.
Nick
I never found the 205 bad...you just had to know it would do it, and keep your foot in.
Never had a problem.
I never knew Minis would lift off oversteer either!
There was a fella named John "Smokey" Rhodes (Or Roads, can't remember the spelling!) who raced minis in Touring Car int he 60's. He discovered he could carry more speed through the bends if he provoked lift oversteer in the mini. He went on to beat pretty much everything out there and that's how he got his nickname. The man is a legend :evil:
(http://www.coopersports.co.uk/USERIMAGES/rhodes-1.jpg)
(http://news.u-car.com.tw/news-images/2008/07/nc-20080719-86277.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3137/2747343366_fa8837b3ff.jpg)
Nick
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Hee-hee! :grin:
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Check out his gangster lean! Had no one thought of bucket seats back then? Ha ha.
nick
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Check out his gangster lean! Had no one thought of bucket seats back then? Ha ha.
nick
Lowbacks...yeah baby!
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I had low backs in one of mine and they looked mazing but they were rubbish for support.
This one of mine had proper buckets!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3549/3465353906_08ea22cf69.jpg)
Anyway back on topic. MK6 R mmmm nice!
Nick
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^^^
Cool mini. :smiley:
I dont get why they have felt the need to have a "new system" if that is the only benifit. It only took a maximum of 15 degree rotation(spin) before torque was transfered to the rear wheels anyway.
When I drove that R32 last week I have to say I could feel the balance of the car changing mid-corner as it shunted drive to the rear, which felt a little unnerving until I realised what was going on - the quicker reaction of the new haldex will reduce this.
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It looks like it will not need any extras, I wonder if they offer xenons as a delete option?
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Cool mini. :smiley:
I dont get why they have felt the need to have a "new system" if that is the only benifit. It only took a maximum of 15 degree rotation(spin) before torque was transfered to the rear wheels anyway.
When I drove that R32 last week I have to say I could feel the balance of the car changing mid-corner as it shunted drive to the rear, which felt a little unnerving until I realised what was going on - the quicker reaction of the new haldex will reduce this.
It can be... just takes a little getting used to. The quicker reaction will be welcomed, but it just sounds like they are hyping it up a little too much. As it was pointed out earlier the term "in extreme cases" is what should not be overlooked.
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It looks a decent car, but the more you read about it the more it feels like a parts bin special.
The old engine from the S3, a few new light bulbs and a haldex with an electric pump.
Run-out special like the ED30, perhaps?
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It looks a decent car, but the more you read about it the more it feels like a parts bin special.
The old engine from the S3, a few new light bulbs and a haldex with an electric pump.
Run-out special like the ED30, perhaps?
Maybe... but there will always something a little better along in a moment. Its how they make their money.
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It looks a decent car, but the more you read about it the more it feels like a parts bin special.
The old engine from the S3, a few new light bulbs and a haldex with an electric pump.
Run-out special like the ED30, perhaps?
Nah - look across most of the VAG range and you'll see parts shared across various plaforms/marques. An extreme example being the Gallardo V10 in the Audi R8 V10.
That's just how it is these days. All the R&D money is being pumped into "green" technologies by the manufacturers.
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Must admit I would love a fast hybrid with front and rear electric motors, an efficient combustion engine and 0-60 of less than 5 seconds (just like BMW's VED prototype). Silent running in town too.
Me likey that future a lot.
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Must admit I would love a fast hybrid with front and rear electric motors, an efficient combustion engine and 0-60 of less than 5 seconds (just like BMW's VED prototype). Silent running in town too.
Me likey that future a lot.
Whereas I would rather have a 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500. Hugely inefficient, hugely noisy and belches more CO2 than a Chinese power station.
Back in the real world, I'm thinking would it be better to buy an R with a couple of extras, or a fully loaded GTI?
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Whereas I would rather have a 1967 Shelby Mustang GT500. Hugely inefficient, hugely noisy and belches more CO2 than a Chinese power station.
Amen to that.
Back in the real world, I'm thinking would it be better to buy an R with a couple of extras, or a fully loaded GTI?
I think we should heed Hairy's advice and not get a 'Mk5.5 tarted up old model', as the Mk7 will be here in several years...so we should save our money for that, and not waste it on a Mk6.
I mean, what's the point in living for the moment?
Or maybe we should buy a Citroen Picasso and give up all hope?
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what car do you drive at the moment hairy porter?
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Back in the real world, I'm thinking would it be better to buy an R with a couple of extras, or a fully loaded GTI?
For me, it all depends on the price of the Golf R.
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It looks a decent car, but the more you read about it the more it feels like a parts bin special.
The old engine from the S3, a few new light bulbs and a haldex with an electric pump.
Run-out special like the ED30, perhaps?
I don't share your view that the new Golf R is the parts bin lash-up that you accuse it of being. What tips the balance in its favour for me is its new 4-wheel drive system. it's significant because it is a substantially different and better from previous R32 system. It should be very good on icy winter roads and generally make the R a very fast point-to-point machine with fully usable grunt.
The brakes are also new. The suspension is new with considerably better shocks than on standard GTi. The differences between 2-litre EA113 and EA888 are slight. The EA888 was primarily designed to be cheaper to manufacture, so it would need to beefed-up in order to ensure reliability at higher outputs. To develop a performance version of the EA888 put would have been riskier and taken longer than to go with an already excellent unit proven in the Audi A3 and TT. New isn't always better. Personally, I think the EA113 is the better unit, that's why it takes longer to make.
I understand that ACC and xenon lights are standard on the Golf R too, so only DSG, leather and SatNav options will be real price-boosting options.
And, perhaps the most important thing to say about current VW pricing - which has just increased in the last week by the way (sorry if mentioned elsewhere) - is that given soft demand for all brands of cars, VW are just trying to start from a strong position when you negotiate the price down...
I am fully confident that discounts even on this will be available by February 2010. There won't be an extension to the UK's scrappage scheme, so dealers everywhere will be discounting everything they've got.
Still, the basic price is steep. Even so, I'm very tempted.
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As a manufacturer the weak pound has boosted my sales abroad.
It also puts up the price of VW's.
My '08 GTI 5 door was £17,999 plus £1,300 for the DSG, brand new.
Once Gordon is out of the way the pound may well rise, with cheaper cars back again.
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I understand that ACC and xenon lights are standard on the Golf R too, so only DSG, leather and SatNav options will be real price-boosting options.
The xenons are standard - not so sure about the ACC. I hope it is - but its not something I would pay £750 extra for. I did read somewhere that parking sensors front / back were standard also. You're forgetting things like metallic paint and the 19" wheels which are going to be another £1000 on top of the price, and are a necessity.
I'd love to take leather... and even better - the recaro's... but I can't justify £1500 - £2500 on seats!
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what car do you drive at the moment hairy porter?
Nimbus 2000 :smug:
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what car do you drive at the moment hairy porter?
Nimbus 2000 :smug:
The wife uses the Nimbus.
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what car do you drive at the moment hairy porter?
Nimbus 2000 :smug:
The wife uses the Nimbus.
Ah thats right, you use the Firebolt now :laugh:
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As posted on the Scirocco forums...
(http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3553/pict6520.jpg)
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47k euros!! Fookin hell i thought it would be about £30k tops may have to save a little longer :angry:
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ha ha ha For euro47k, I'd rather go for a Mercedes E-class or BMW 5 series...
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Colours/Spec from German brochure:
http://www.motor-talk.de/bilder/vw-golf-vi-r20-g7470458/pict6550-i203038929.html
Rest of German brochure:
http://www.motor-talk.de/bilder/vw-golf-vi-r20-g7471700/pict6553-i203038964.html
19" wheels available in Gloss Black or Sterling Silver.
Parking assist with front & back sensors standard.
ACC optional.
Cruise control optional.
RNS-510 optional.
Vienna leather or bucket seats optional.
Everything else standard.
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wow.... even though this is a german price, 36k EURO is 34k GBP (using 1.07 ex rate from Travelex)
that is over 10k GBP more than the GTI!!
wow
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Crazy money. I am sorry, I know it will be a great car and I really want one, but once you add on the extras you want it is lunacy for a performance Golf.
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Crazy money. I am sorry, I know it will be a great car and I really want one, but once you add on the extras you want it is lunacy for a performance Golf.
That puts it even more expensive than the Audi S3 - with options?
Hmm...
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Basic Golf GTI in Germany is 26,650 euros.
Basic Golf GTI in UK is £23,015.
Basic Golf R in Germany is 36,400 euros.
Extrapolating based on GTI, Golf R in UK would be £31,652.
That's basic - without any extras. :shocked:
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Basic Golf GTI in Germany is 26,650 euros.
Basic Golf GTI in UK is £23,015.
Basic Golf R in Germany is 36,400 euros.
Extrapolating based on GTI, Golf R in UK would be £31,652.
That's basic - without any extras. :shocked:
Considering you can get a GTI to £30k without ticking every box...£35k for the R in a nice spec wouldn't seem too outlandish?
Ouch!
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It is one sexy car.... but:
Only get an RCD300 for your £30+k :laugh: That really is talking the pi$$!
Making you pay more for 19" wheels?? whats that about??
ACC... free in the £20k rocco. A nice profit maker when any "I must have every extra" new customer comes along. :huh:
And i hate to think what those lovelly recaros cost :laugh:.
I have often seen new cars released by cheaper/lesser makers.. e.g. Insignia VRX and thought to myself, who the hell is going to pay £30k for a vauxhall??
I thing VW is fast approaching that level. As cool as it is, who the hell is going to pay £35k for a Golf??? :undecided:
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Not me for sure!
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SilverChariot, thanks for posting link to German brochure.
i will definitely be ordering one:
- 5-door DSG
- Rising blue
- 19" wheels
- ACC
- Leather on standard seats
- Satnav
- Sunroof
- Park assist
- Winter pack
Thank God the Company is paying!!!!
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Arent you lucky lol
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That really is going to be one very nice... but very expensive car!
Getting to that price I think I would most definately be tempted away by BMW or a used maserati :cool:
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As cool as it is, who the hell is going to pay £35k for a Golf??? :undecided:
Have to agree. VW will have difficulty justifying the price of this car after the comparatively small premium for an R32 - and that car was further removed from a GTI than the R is, thanks to its engine. Plus this car is essentially a premium-market Audi re-skinned in a lower segment VW. Surely they can't price it above the S3? However, both VW and Audi have been positioning themselves higher up the prestige ladder over the years.
I know Audi were able to put a huge premium on the RS4, RS6 etc but those cars had huge performance improvements over their run-off-the-mill siblings and have a better premium image to boot. The Golf just doesn't and the Golf R is not far removed enough from the GTI to warrant an extra £10K.
Thanks to our wonderful socialist leaders the Euro exchange rate is all f**ked up at the moment but I hope VW UK will not price this car much over the rumoured £28K. After all, in the US it sells it's cars for peanuts compared to here.
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SilverChariot, thanks for posting link to German brochure.
i will definitely be ordering one:
- 5-door DSG
- Rising blue
- 19" wheels
- ACC
- Leather on standard seats
- Satnav
- Sunroof
- Park assist
- Winter pack
Thank God the Company is paying!!!!
Currently thinking:
- 5 door DSG
- 19" gloss black wheels
- Rising blue metallic
- Leather (not Recaros)
- Satnav
- Cruise
Hopefully less than £35K!
Park Assist (without camera) is standard. As is Winter Pack, I think.
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Have to agree. VW will have difficulty justifying the price of this car after the comparatively small premium for an R32 - and that car was further removed from a GTI than the R is, thanks to its engine. Plus this car is essentially a premium-market Audi re-skinned in a lower segment VW. Surely they can't price it above the S3? However, both VW and Audi have been positioning themselves higher up the prestige ladder over the years.
I know Audi were able to put a huge premium on the RS4, RS6 etc but those cars had huge performance improvements over their run-off-the-mill siblings and have a better premium image to boot. The Golf just doesn't and the Golf R is not far removed enough from the GTI to warrant an extra £10K.
Thanks to our wonderful socialist leaders the Euro exchange rate is all f**ked up at the moment but I hope VW UK will not price this car much over the rumoured £28K. After all, in the US it sells it's cars for peanuts compared to here.
I think VW got seriously burned with the oversupply of the Mk5 R32 (remember the 20%+ discounts on new at the end of 2008). Rumours are only a 500 allocation of the Mk6 R for 2010. Supply and demand dictates they can charge a higher price.
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I think VW got seriously burned with the oversupply of the Mk5 R32 (remember the 20%+ discounts on new at the end of 2008). Rumours are only a 500 allocation of the Mk6 R for 2010. Supply and demand dictates they can charge a higher price.
I'm sure they did get stung with the R32 - again, in part thanks to the government and it's big car tax. You are right about the supply and demand equation and there is little on offer from other manufacturers in direct competition to the R. I'd happily pay £35K for it if it had the TT-RS 5 cylinder engine.
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I do like that Rising Blue. I suspect I'd have had that on my GTi if it had been an option.
The Blue Graphite looks like Carbon Grey until the sun comes out!
Rolfe.
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Those of you who say that the real issue affecting the price of the GTI and R models is the exchange rate are, of course, absolutely right. The only way VW UK can get around the expected high price of the R is by offering more standard equipment. So while the R will be more expensive, it should come well loaded.
In Germany, the R gets xenons, park assist without camera, 18" alloys etc. I am interested to see what we'll be offered, but suspect that the UK will get ACC thrown in too. The base price I've seen is £28,500. So if you want a DSG version with leather and Satnav, then I reckon you'll be looking at £32,500. That actually compares quite well to a fully loaded standard GTI, which with everything is around this price!
Those of us who bought VR6's in 1992 also winced at the price back then (£19,600). But that car was still comfortably serving up driving thrills 10 years later. The BMW Z3 I replaced it with was in no way a sports car, so then I bought a BMW M3 instead at £42K. Although monstrous in performance terms, it proved to be unreliable, expensive and difficult to live with as a daily driver. (People never let you out when turning onto main roads!) So I'm coming home to VW and frankly, I can't wait.
BTW, this new AWD system sounds as if it's going to be very good. in my book, that alone makes the R a worthwhile step-up from the GTI.
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Yes but you get all that and more on an Audi S3 for less at retail and far less at the large discount prices you can get them at making the golf look very expensive in comparison its not like one has the exchange rate problem and the other does not :wink:. The proof i guess is in how different if any they drive.
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Yes but you get all that and more on an Audi S3 for less at retail and far less at the large discount prices you can get them at making the golf look very expensive in comparison its not like one has the exchange rate problem and the other does not :wink:. The proof i guess is in how different if any they drive.
But S3's are nasty.
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Yes but you get all that and more on an Audi S3 for less at retail and far less at the large discount prices you can get them at making the golf look very expensive in comparison its not like one has the exchange rate problem and the other does not :wink:. The proof i guess is in how different if any they drive.
But S3's are nasty.
Yes, and according to Clarkson & Co, all Audi drivers are c*cks!!!! :evil: :embarassed: :wink:
I've test driven both and somehow, the Golf, especially 5-door versus Sportback, feels 100 times better. Head says Golf; heart says Golf. So Golf it will be.
BTW, I think black for the R, which does indeed tend to hide its go faster bits, is very subtle in a Q-car kind of way. I like that. perfect for people who like to speak very softly but carry a big stick!
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R for me.
The Mitsubishi's boot is full of clutter.
Only joking about the Astra and Hyundai
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Some Golf R stuff starting to trickle out onto the German Volkswagen website:
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/ausstattungslinien/r.html
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/daten.detail.0.12.html
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/ausstattungsvergleich.variants-0_5.html
You can translate to English (badly) using this:
http://translate.google.com/translate_t#
Rumour is Golf R will be on German configurator on Monday.
Also, the German configurator for the Golf GTI shows the LED tail lights as standard. :cool:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/mobiledreams12/golf_gti.jpg)
and for the GTD:
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/mobiledreams12/golf_gtd.jpg)
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Good find!
I read somewhere last night that WE (UK!) would be able to order the Golf R from next week. I don't know if there is any truth in this, but I do hope so! If I could get it before the end of the year, then I'm likely to save about £1000 with the new VAT rate!
Its a bit of a shame these 'exclusive' rear LED lights are making their way onto the GTI already. I thought they'd have waited a year or so.
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Some posts on German forum reporting Rising Blue Metallic not available for initial Golf R orders. :undecided:
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Some posts on German forum reporting Rising Blue Metallic not available for initial Golf R orders. :undecided:
As Rising Blue is going to be the 'signature' colour - I won't be having it anyway. I was just at my dealers a minute ago (I've borrowed a DSG GTD to play with - and am waiting for my missus to get ready to come for a drive!) and they have 3 R32's sitting on the fourcourt - and ALL of them are DBP! I imagine a high percentage of R's will be made in Rising Blue.
I'm wanting something a bit more descreet - although I quite fancy silver and getting the wheels powder coated black!
Ideally I'd take white with black wheels - but its too dificult to keep and I think white is just the colour of the moment. Silver is safe, and easy to keep :undecided:
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Some Golf R stuff starting to trickle out onto the German Volkswagen website:
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/ausstattungslinien/r.html
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/daten.detail.0.12.html
http://www.volkswagen.de/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/de3/modelle/golf/golf/zahlen___fakten/ausstattungsvergleich.variants-0_5.html
It lists twincharger instead of turbocharger for the R. :undecided:
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If I could get it before the end of the year, then I'm likely to save about £1000 with the new VAT rate!
Changed your mind with the 'Roc R then? :wink:
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Im not over impressed with the new R's sound. :sad:
http://www.volkswagen.de/etc/medialib/vwcms/virtualmaster/cml/company/individual/webspecial/rmodelle_950x510_2009/html.Par.0001.File.html
after the into click the first option (absolute prazision), then the small bit below it (level themel zegen) goto (downloads) then 02(kraft) then download (motor & sound).
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2.0 engine + 4 cylinders = :sick: for sound
No way i would consider this car. Ive been running some quotes and spending a bit of time looking at 335i coupe. Remap to 370 BHP and a nice noise with the right exhaust (not a V noise but ok)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W--juXbW0U&feature=related
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Im not sure about you guys but on the GOLF R I actually miss the full chrome grill that was on the R32,that was a brilliant sight when you looked into the rear view mirror and saw an R32 is behind you especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
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Must admit if i was buying on sound alone an Audi 5 cylinder would be my choice i just love that worble so much better than any other engine noise. I guess its because i spent my childhood in freezing cold woods waiting for quattros and also because at the time my dad owned a 5pot audi for ~8years.
Its also a reason i secretly hate two of my friends as one has a fiat coupe 20V turbo and the other is waiting for there TTRS to arrive. I can just imagine the look on my face when im in there cars, i must have a big grin on my face :evil:
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especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
Deep Blue Pearl, none of the rising blue rubbish on the new fake R :sick:
:wink:
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oops :laugh:another thing I dont like about the Golf R is that compared to the GTI there is no red stitching on the steering wheel???Why didnt they put a blue stitching on it that would have looked cool the white blends in too much and I think those R badges suck.they should have ysed the full GTI-R designation but what I do like about the interior are the blue dials with the white back lighting.
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Im not sure about you guys but on the GOLF R I actually miss the full chrome grill that was on the R32,that was a brilliant sight when you looked into the rear view mirror and saw an R32 is behind you especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
true, but then again it blended in really well with all the passats out there :sad:
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The xenons (not standard on the passat) along with the rather obvious R32 badge set it apart.
I still fail to tell the difference between the standard MK6 and GTI from front on! :laugh:
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Im not sure about you guys but on the GOLF R I actually miss the full chrome grill that was on the R32,that was a brilliant sight when you looked into the rear view mirror and saw an R32 is behind you especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
true, but then again it blended in really well with all the passats out there :sad:
I always looked in my mirror and went "ooh an R32". Then it passed me and I was like "Oh it's just a jetta."
Nick
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The xenons (not standard on the passat) along with the rather obvious R32 badge set it apart.
I still fail to tell the difference between the standard MK6 and GTI from front on! :laugh:
And being a typical mk5 owner, you still fail to give the mk6 any compliments. We dont expect anything less though Julie.
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The xenons (not standard on the passat) along with the rather obvious R32 badge set it apart.
I still fail to tell the difference between the standard MK6 and GTI from front on! :laugh:
And being a typical mk5 owner, you still fail to give the mk6 any compliments. We dont expect anything less though Julie.
Er he drives a MKVI GTI now mate.
nick
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Theres very little difference between them! If its a few cars back its impossible to tell!
(http://image.eurotuner.com/f/euro-news/volkswagen-unveils-mk6-golf/10135721+cr1+re0+ar1/volkswagen-golf-mk6.jpg)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/1/large/vw-golf-vi-gti-4-door-photos-leaked.jpg)
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The xenons (not standard on the passat) along with the rather obvious R32 badge set it apart.
I still fail to tell the difference between the standard MK6 and GTI from front on! :laugh:
And being a typical mk5 owner, you still fail to give the mk6 any compliments. We dont expect anything less though Julie.
Er he drives a MKVI GTI now mate.
nick
You getting confuzzeled between Jules and I there nick?? :tongue: :grin:
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Im the handsome one :grin:
Oh and i drive a car with a proper engine :wink:
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I did yes, my bad!
nick
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Is it just me or do a lot of the mark Vs look the same too? I can't tell the difference until very close up between the GT/ Sports and GTIs?
I remember a lot of twunts at work used to say my R32 looked like a passat frontage, but I could tell them a mile apart, I just put it down to people being unable to be nice about other peoples' stuff anymore.
You can tell the Mk5 people on here "oh its a facelift, oh the back end is sh!te, or its too boxy, or look those door handles, or it's being replaced in 2010 - won't be worth a tenner", and just now and then someone says something nice.
Had a mk5 gti and r32, loved em both. Got a mk6 now, and its brilliant.
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Theres very little difference between them! If its a few cars back its impossible to tell!
(http://image.eurotuner.com/f/euro-news/volkswagen-unveils-mk6-golf/10135721+cr1+re0+ar1/volkswagen-golf-mk6.jpg)
(http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/1/large/vw-golf-vi-gti-4-door-photos-leaked.jpg)
I hope to god you wear glasses. :grin:
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I hope to god you wear glasses. :grin:
If he does then he needs to get back to specsaver and get his money back as they aren't working :grin:
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I hope to god you wear glasses. :grin:
If he does then he needs to get back to specsaver and get his money back as they aren't working :grin:
:laugh: Exactly.
Look Julie, there's not much difference between these either. The one on the left is a mk5 tractor incase you couldnt see it.
(http://www.tractorjackets.co.uk/images/TractorJack2.jpg)
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Look Julie, there's not much difference between these either. The one on the left is a mk5 tractor incase you couldnt see it.
(http://www.tractorjackets.co.uk/images/TractorJack2.jpg)
Looks like a diesel to me!
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(http://www.gotbroken.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2006-volkswagen-golf-r32-front-view-588x441.jpg)
(http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/0/3E2B5AF7FA63F91FCA257206001B7690/$file/VW_Jetta_Front.jpg?OpenElement)
I rest my case.
nick
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I hope to god you wear glasses. :grin:
If he does then he needs to get back to specsaver and get his money back as they aren't working :grin:
:laugh: Exactly.
Look Julie, there's not much difference between these either. The one on the left is a mk5 tractor incase you couldnt see it.
(http://www.tractorjackets.co.uk/images/TractorJack2.jpg)
:grin: :grin:
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Im not sure about you guys but on the GOLF R I actually miss the full chrome grill that was on the R32,that was a brilliant sight when you looked into the rear view mirror and saw an R32 is behind you especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
You'll know it's an R approaching by the LED's. At least until everyone has them.
Grrr, I want Rising Blue. I also think I prefer the silver xenons to the blacked out ones, but would like the 19's.
By the way, that Mk5 tractor is a Ford - isn't there a rule against posting pictures of Fords here? :laugh:
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Im not sure about you guys but on the GOLF R I actually miss the full chrome grill that was on the R32,that was a brilliant sight when you looked into the rear view mirror and saw an R32 is behind you especially in rising blue I thought that it really set the R32 apart from the other MK5's
You'll know it's an R approaching by the LED's. At least until everyone has them.
Grrr, I want Rising Blue. I also think I prefer the silver xenons to the blacked out ones, but would like the 19's.
By the way, that Mk5 tractor is a Ford - isn't there a rule against posting pictures of Fords here? :laugh:
Brilliant, I loved the way you didnt disagree on it being a mk5 tractor, just that we couldnt post Ford pics. :grin:
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Ive got no problem being mistaken for a passat
(http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/08/14/096480.1-lg.jpg)
MK5.5 looks more like the touareg :shocked:
(http://www.gotbroken.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/2005-volkswagen-touareg-w12-sport-rear-angle-view-588x441.jpg)
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Just wondering about why is the GOLF R so low specced interior wise?It comes with a RCD310 unit surely the RDC510 should have been standard on a car of such calibre?The IPOD/aux adapter is also an option thats standard on a peugeot 207 for crying out loud!
This is what should have been standard:
*RCD510 individual radio
*Ipod/aux adapter
*Vienna leather sport seats
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Just wondering about why is the GOLF R so low specced interior wise?It comes with a RCD310 unit surely the RDC510 should have been standard on a car of such calibre?The IPOD/aux adapter is also an option thats standard on a peugeot 207 for crying out loud!
This is what should have been standard:
*RCD510 individual radio
*Ipod/aux adapter
*Vienna leather sport seats
Agreed :wink: but they know you will pay for it :grin:
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yeah i would :rolleyes: those are options I MUST :laugh: have!!!DAMN! those seats are sexy!!!!
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yeah i would :rolleyes: those are options I MUST :laugh: have!!!DAMN! those seats are sexy!!!!
Are you talking about the std R seats which are the same as the GTI just with differing materials and logo, the leather version of the R seats, or the £2500 bend over whilst I shaft you good un propa' optional extra recaros??
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Talking about those Recaros that rape your bank balance! :evil:
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yeah i would :rolleyes: those are options I MUST :laugh: have!!!DAMN! those seats are sexy!!!!
Are you talking about the std R seats which are the same as the GTI just with differing materials and logo, the leather version of the R seats, or the £2500 bend over whilst I shaft you good un propa' optional extra recaros??
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I just hope VW is reading all this. With any luck, they'll get nervous about pricing the R too high. But then again, only 500 are earmarked for Englanders.
A friend who knows a bloke in Germany, whose girlfriend's sister goes out with someone who works for VW etc. etc. and he has apparently driven the Golf R with DSG. All the tweaks and turns have delivered something that is truly sensational to drive and blisteringly fast point to point - much easier to place in corners than S3. They have expended real time and effort with the ACC to improve handling. So it looks like this will be a required option. Brakes also uprated. But it is the gearbox that has been most fettled, making the power very usable. Can't wait for the proper road tests.
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Im going to be blatantly honest here.... I badly want one!!! and would be willing to pay for one :undecided:
Im sorry... and I know thats just what VW want :cry: the barstewards have reduced me to this :cry: :cry:
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Well I am happy to keep my R32 until a Golf R some down second hand to around the 20k mar. Even at that, I still fear I will miss my V6 rumble. I would need to work out some way of keeping my R32 too :laugh:
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oooh hang on a minute.. may have jumped the gun there a little!! i didnt know they fit a 2.5L petrol engine to the golf mk6??? :huh:
Im going to hang on and wait for the anni edition... something tells me its going to make an apperance in there :lipsrsealed:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/vw-releases-detailed-pricing-on-us-spec.html
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oooh hang on a minute.. may have jumped the gun there a little!! i didnt know they fit a 2.5L petrol engine to the golf mk6??? :huh:
Im going to hang on and wait for the anni edition... something tells me its going to make an apperance in there :lipsrsealed:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/vw-releases-detailed-pricing-on-us-spec.html
That's the engine they used as the starting point for the TT-RS. It's a good motor but doubt we'll see it here in emissions-concious Europe. We get the twin-charged 1.4. Woo-hoo.
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oooh hang on a minute.. may have jumped the gun there a little!! i didnt know they fit a 2.5L petrol engine to the golf mk6??? :huh:
Im going to hang on and wait for the anni edition... something tells me its going to make an apperance in there :lipsrsealed:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/vw-releases-detailed-pricing-on-us-spec.html
That's the engine they used as the starting point for the TT-RS. It's a good motor but doubt we'll see it here in emissions-concious Europe. We get the twin-charged 1.4. Woo-hoo.
Im sure it will make an apperance at some point!! finger crossed
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Well I am happy to keep my R32 until a Golf R some down second hand to around the 20k mar. Even at that, I still fear I will miss my V6 rumble. I would need to work out some way of keeping my R32 too :laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ivvYjntFc&feature=player_embedded :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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oooh hang on a minute.. may have jumped the gun there a little!! i didnt know they fit a 2.5L petrol engine to the golf mk6??? :huh:
Im going to hang on and wait for the anni edition... something tells me its going to make an apperance in there :lipsrsealed:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/vw-releases-detailed-pricing-on-us-spec.html
That's the engine they used as the starting point for the TT-RS. It's a good motor but doubt we'll see it here in emissions-concious Europe. We get the twin-charged 1.4. Woo-hoo.
Im sure it will make an apperance at some point!! finger crossed
thing is, you keep waiting and waiting, you'll never have. always something better on the horizon.
though your R32 right now is more than enough I guess! :cool:
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oooh hang on a minute.. may have jumped the gun there a little!! i didnt know they fit a 2.5L petrol engine to the golf mk6??? :huh:
Im going to hang on and wait for the anni edition... something tells me its going to make an apperance in there :lipsrsealed:
http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2009/10/vw-releases-detailed-pricing-on-us-spec.html
That's the engine they used as the starting point for the TT-RS. It's a good motor but doubt we'll see it here in emissions-concious Europe. We get the twin-charged 1.4. Woo-hoo.
Im sure it will make an apperance at some point!! finger crossed
thing is, you keep waiting and waiting, you'll never have. always something better on the horizon.
though your R32 right now is more than enough I guess! :cool:
I have Gti :tongue:
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I have Gti :tongue:
You just too embarrased to update your sig to a Mk5.5.6? :laugh:
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I have Gti :tongue:
You just too embarrased to update your sig to a Mk5.5.6? :laugh:
:laugh: something like that!!
Aint washed it since i got it so no pics either. Will do eventually thou :smiley:
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I have Gti :tongue:
You just too embarrased to update your sig to a Mk5.5.6? :laugh:
so you're gonna change from the Mk6 GTI to the new R?
can't keep up with you all, lol. need to go by your sigs!