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Title: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Gambit on 14 September 2004, 16:48
maybe this will put an end to it

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/d_rechlin/16v8.jpg)

*borrowed of ClubGti forum* ;D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 14 September 2004, 16:53
Lol ... we still going on about this ??? :o ;D

I'd like to see what a chipped 8v running on Optimax would do compaired to the 16v ??

Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: topher on 14 September 2004, 17:08
Surely you'd have to compare it to a chipped 16v running optimax  :P

Interesting graph, never really took much interest in the 8v\16v debate (lets face it 20 valves and a turbo dominate  ;D ) but i never thought the claims of higher low down torque figures on the 8v were true, you live and learn ! Upto almost 3k rpm too, impressive.
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Gambit on 14 September 2004, 17:11
std against std ;)

im just putting the final nail in the coffin of those that say 8v's have more torque low down than 16v's

that graph shows they dont, they are more or less equal until 3k then 8v tails off & 16v takes off ;D

Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: S11EPS on 14 September 2004, 17:15
Just to ask a question, is there any/much difference in the gearing between an 8v and a 16v or do they run the same box and ratios?
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: tobz. on 14 September 2004, 17:16
I think I'd be right in saying that the 16v runs a closer ratio box with a lower ratio 5th than the 8v, correct me if I'm wrong guys.
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Gambit on 14 September 2004, 17:20
yep 16v's are slightly more close ratio

8v's are more or less the same except for slightly longer 2nd & 5th gears

a 16v box with an 8v 5th gear is what you want
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 14 September 2004, 17:21
Yup - shame you had to go to such lenghts to prove the point !!

As for a chipped 16v - it's not possible to do so. ?;D

I'd love to see both car's again when they're 'loose' - I'm sure the differences would be the same, but the power figures seem to climb for both ?;D

A few 8v's made it well in to the 120bhp area in the AMD rolling road session, if the same goes for a stock 16v then 150bhp for a stock engine is fecking gr8 !
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Gambit on 14 September 2004, 17:24
lol maybe i should make it a sticky all on its own with the title "16v are better than 8v fact"

 :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 14 September 2004, 17:26
Dam u snobby 16v owners  ;D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: LostBok on 15 September 2004, 02:25
When is there gonna be another session?

Just had my cams done and a remap, so keen to see what it's like... my 8v (Mk3) now revs to 6500rpm+ with very little loss of low-end torque " ;D"
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: marcus123 on 15 September 2004, 11:51
so that settles it then! :D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 15 September 2004, 12:11
Lol ... hey you were the main 'trouble maker' Marcus, so be careful  ;D

You maybe be quicker than us 8v owners, but there's more of us !!

FIGHT - FIGHT - FIGHT !!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Blue MK2 on 15 September 2004, 13:18
f**k it, who said 8v's are fast anyway? mine aint  :D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: g0ldf1sh on 16 September 2004, 14:14
Lol, neither is mine, that will change in time though!

I do however like the drive of my 8 valve, i've owned both types and would deinately say the 8 valve is punchier lower down. 
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 16 September 2004, 14:24
i couldnt afford the insurance on a 16v. and that was the entire basis for my 8v purchase. it is quite a fruity 8v tho
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: g0ldf1sh on 16 September 2004, 14:27
All Golf's r000l end of story really!  ;D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 16 September 2004, 14:28
here are my power and torque graphs


POWER
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.combes2/Bhp.JPG)
TORQUE
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.combes2/torque.jpg)


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 16 September 2004, 14:30
All Golf's r000l end of story really!? ;D

typical 8v owners response ;D

Title: Re: 8v vs 16v torque debate
Post by: Veedubgt18v on 17 September 2004, 10:13
they do, but i really badly want a split screen camper. saw a lush one this weekend  :)