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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Saint Steve on 29 August 2009, 19:11
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Ive always run Dunlops on this Edition 30 since ive had it, its always been a tad noisey with tyre roar on the road, but when the alloys were resprayed the tyres have got even more noisey due to i think them putting the tyres back on the rims the wrong way round, (Rotational being correct) which have made them even more irritatingly load.
Apon closer inspection, not sure if this is a common problem with Dunlops, but the tread looks like its deforming!!, have a look at these pics to see what you think, but i can see why my car sounds like its running on gravel 24/7!! even on a smooth road, you can hear these!
Anyone else had this or known these deform or appear to have??
I know Dunlops arent the best , but i am astonished these are like this :mad:
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Much has been highlighted about the dunlops previously, but I would probably take them back to where you got them from if you can because that doesnt look right.
Putting that much power through the tyres, I would seriously consider getting something decent on your wheels. the difference is night and day when I made the change. PS2's or F1's ftw
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Agree with the power side of it, ive re-mapped mine a few days back and now getting wheel hop and wheel spin in 4th gear!! :embarassed:. Need 4 new tyres by the look of it :cry:
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Its often hard to convince yourself to get rid of tyres with good(?) tread still left on them... but I would put them aside for track or pod runs and get a good set for road use. Can never be too careful with the wet season soon to be upon us.
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I'm running those on the rear of mine. They're not great, I currently have Michelin PS2s on the front, and when they were out I will probably replace all 4 with some more PS2's. Not cheap but worth it.
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There should be a little arrow on the sidewall somewhere telling you the rotation. I've had the rotation the wrong way round on my mums mazda, nearly spun off a roundabout.
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Also realised i only had 32 psi all round on the tyres :embarassed:. Have pumped them up to 41psi, and she seems alot happier/quieter and lighter on the wheel since. :smiley:
I wont be having dunlops again when these run out.
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There should be a little arrow on the sidewall somewhere telling you the rotation. I've had the rotation the wrong way round on my mums mazda, nearly spun off a roundabout.
they are on the correct rotation but the rims have been fitted in reverse which means what was the outer remaining tread , is now on the outside edge, which also means noisey sounding and uneven worn tyres :sick:
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Phil, was it all four which went like that? :undecided: If it was just the fronts, I'd advise on pumping the fronts even higher than the 41 psi you increased them too. When I had Dunlops on mine, I found that 46 psi up front kept the deformation at bay, and didn't affect the way they wore either.
Anyway, you have just witnessed the 'static deformation' which I previously mentioned. :wink:
And I'm sure you know it makes sence not to use them again when they wear out! :wink: :afro:
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Phil, was it all four which went like that? :undecided: If it was just the fronts, I'd advise on pumping the fronts even higher than the 41 psi you increased them too. When I had Dunlops on mine, I found that 46 psi up front kept the deformation at bay, and didn't affect the way they wore either.
Anyway, you have just witnessed the 'static deformation' which I previously mentioned. :wink:
And I'm sure you know it makes sence not to use them again when they wear out! :wink: :afro:
Thankyou shaun, glad youve Replied :smiley:. It was the rear tyres which have showed most deformation.
Would pressure would you say is best in the tyres? ive set them to 41psi allround currently. Tire roar is lesser aswell now ive noticed.
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On the subject of tyre pressures I thought that the label on the inside of the fuel filler cap stated 2.5 bar (~36 psi) though I noticed that my VW dealer gave me 39 psi when I recently had new tyres.
So wouldn't 40+ psi result in uneven tread wear?
[Glad you got it sorted, Phil] :afro:
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Even 2.5 bar seems a little low. I know the R is a little heavier than the GTI but mine states 3.2 Bar all round :wink:
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/TyrePressures_label.jpg)
My GTI came originally on Monza 17's and Continental tyres - Would this make any difference?
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Although I do have mine all at 3.2 bar the figures on my cap suggest slightly differently :undecided:
(http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3632/mediacardblackberrypicti.jpg)
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Whats is that in Psi!. Bar is not whats on the forecourt pumps!
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About 46 psi.
think mine were set to 44psi all round :nerd:
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Whats is that in Psi!. Bar is not whats on the forecourt pumps!
....If you examine most forecourt pumps you'll see that by pressing a button to select bar and then punching in your bar value they will then convert that to psi and display that for the duration as your 'End' limit.
The UK is supposed to be metric!!
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Even 2.5 bar seems a little low. I know the R is a little heavier than the GTI but mine states 3.2 Bar all round :wink:
checked mine, and mine says the same 3.2bar
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Even 2.5 bar seems a little low. I know the R is a little heavier than the GTI but mine states 3.2 Bar all round :wink:
checked mine, and mine says the same 3.2bar
Might be 3.2 with 18" and less for the 17". Did yours originally come with 17" RR?
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Even 2.5 bar seems a little low. I know the R is a little heavier than the GTI but mine states 3.2 Bar all round :wink:
checked mine, and mine says the same 3.2bar
Might be 3.2 with 18" and less for the 17". Did yours originally come with 17" RR?
His did :smiley:
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Indeed my GTI did originally come with Monza 17's, and Conti's.
My VW dealer usually inflates my new tyres to 39 psi (~2.7 bar) and I have recently started doing the same.
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Phil, was it all four which went like that? :undecided: If it was just the fronts, I'd advise on pumping the fronts even higher than the 41 psi you increased them too. When I had Dunlops on mine, I found that 46 psi up front kept the deformation at bay, and didn't affect the way they wore either.
Anyway, you have just witnessed the 'static deformation' which I previously mentioned. :wink:
And I'm sure you know it makes sence not to use them again when they wear out! :wink: :afro:
Thankyou shaun, glad youve Replied :smiley:.
As always, you are most welcome. :afro:
It was the rear tyres which have showed most deformation.
Oh! Do you normally have peeps in the back, or keep tools in the boot? If so, you should really be using the 'fully laden' pressures on the fuel flap sticker all the time.
What about the 'load index' on the tyres - maybe the rears arn't the 'eXtra Load' rating - the tyres for the 18" rims should have a load index of 92Y.
Would pressure would you say is best in the tyres? ive set them to 41psi allround currently. Tire roar is lesser aswell now ive noticed.
I think the full load pressure for the rears is 44psi. But you just need to experiment. Modern low profile radial tyres should never really have the characteristic 'bulges' on the sidewalls where the tyres touch the ground - and a good way to check for 'correct' pressures is to monitor carefully the depth of tread across the width of the tyres - though you really need a proper pencil-type tyre depth guage.
HTH :smiley:
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On the subject of tyre pressures I thought that the label on the inside of the fuel filler cap stated 2.5 bar (~36 psi) though I noticed that my VW dealer gave me 39 psi when I recently had new tyres.
Perhaps he was taking into account those big APs !! :tongue:
But seriously though, the latest advice from the actual tyre manufacturers is to actually run on the 'fully loaded' pressures at all times, even when just one person is in the car. This is to help reduce rolling resistance, and therefore improve not only fuel economy, but also the generall 'efficiency' of getting maximum efficiency from the engine and brakes.
So wouldn't 40+ psi result in uneven tread wear?
No. Modern quality radial tyres which use steel belting in the tread plies won't really 'baloon' from being over inflated. Obviously, if the plies are damaged, then increasing the pressure will noticeably show up worse - but for normal 'healthy' tyres, there is absolutely no problem with over-inflation. :nerd:
But under-inflation - well that is a very different issue. :wink:
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Even 2.5 bar seems a little low. I know the R is a little heavier than the GTI but mine states 3.2 Bar all round :wink:
All that extra lard eh! Must be like having John Prescott sitting in the boot! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/TyrePressures_label.jpg)
My GTI came originally on Monza 17's and Continental tyres - Would this make any difference?
:afro:
That sticker is exactly the same as mine - and mine was factory fit 18" Monza IIs - with Dunflops.
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Whats is that in Psi!. Bar is not whats on the forecourt pumps!
....If you examine most forecourt pumps you'll see that by pressing a button to select bar and then punching in your bar value they will then convert that to psi and display that for the duration as your 'End' limit.
The UK is supposed to be metric!!
You you ask for 568 mililitres of Wadworths 6X ? :tongue: :grin: :grin: Mine's a PINT, thanks! :wink:
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havnt been on for a few weeks;
Use to have Dunlop sport maxx on my edition 30 and they are quite simply rubbish, ive got 4 Goodyear"s on now and they have totally transformed my car in every area. in the dry they just stick to the road and in the wet they are just as good. I would say i can take corners 5 mph faster than the Dunlop"s. They are an old tyre and not in the same league and should be treated as budget tyres imo.
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On the subject of tyre pressures I thought that the label on the inside of the fuel filler cap stated 2.5 bar (~36 psi) though I noticed that my VW dealer gave me 39 psi when I recently had new tyres.
Perhaps he was taking into account those big APs !! :tongue:
But seriously though, the latest advice from the actual tyre manufacturers is to actually run on the 'fully loaded' pressures at all times, even when just one person is in the car. This is to help reduce rolling resistance, and therefore improve not only fuel economy, but also the generall 'efficiency' of getting maximum efficiency from the engine and brakes.
So wouldn't 40+ psi result in uneven tread wear?
No. Modern quality radial tyres which use steel belting in the tread plies won't really 'baloon' from being over inflated. Obviously, if the plies are damaged, then increasing the pressure will noticeably show up worse - but for normal 'healthy' tyres, there is absolutely no problem with over-inflation. :nerd:
But under-inflation - well that is a very different issue. :wink:
eeek *runs off to pump up tyres*
i was under the impression that its better to have them just under to increase grip etc
and phil i have pzero neros and for 10,000 miles they are still about 6mm and great grip in the wet and dry so i will be sticking with them they arent expensive really either i remember robin said he had them aswell but changed for goodyears not sure why tho :huh: michelins are good but theyre a bit expensive so got for F1's or pzero imo :wink:
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On the subject of tyre pressures I thought that the label on the inside of the fuel filler cap stated 2.5 bar (~36 psi) though I noticed that my VW dealer gave me 39 psi when I recently had new tyres.
Perhaps he was taking into account those big APs !! :tongue:
But seriously though, the latest advice from the actual tyre manufacturers is to actually run on the 'fully loaded' pressures at all times, even when just one person is in the car. This is to help reduce rolling resistance, and therefore improve not only fuel economy, but also the generall 'efficiency' of getting maximum efficiency from the engine and brakes.
So wouldn't 40+ psi result in uneven tread wear?
No. Modern quality radial tyres which use steel belting in the tread plies won't really 'baloon' from being over inflated. Obviously, if the plies are damaged, then increasing the pressure will noticeably show up worse - but for normal 'healthy' tyres, there is absolutely no problem with over-inflation. :nerd:
But under-inflation - well that is a very different issue. :wink:
eeek *runs off to pump up tyres*
i was under the impression that its better to have them just under to increase grip etc
Maybe if you are crawling along at snails pace through some sand dunes!
But on the road, whatever the weather (even snow) - you should never, ever lower the pressures. Lowering pressures will not increase grip, but it will make the car less stable, make the car use more fuel, and certainly reduce the life of your tyres.
and phil i have pzero neros and for 10,000 miles they are still about 6mm and great grip in the wet and dry so i will be sticking with them they arent expensive really either i remember robin said he had them aswell but changed for goodyears not sure why tho :huh: michelins are good but theyre a bit expensive so got for F1's or pzero imo :wink:
Pirelli = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Sorry, but they are aweful tyres!
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Thanx for everyones advice, i think F1's up nxt or Ps2's as they seem to be People's 1st choice's. :smiley:
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Thanx for everyones advice, i think F1's up nxt or Ps2's as they seem to be People's 1st choice's. :smiley:
PS2s FTW! :wink:
BTW, liking your new sig pic :afro:
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Thanx for everyones advice, i think F1's up nxt or Ps2's as they seem to be People's 1st choice's. :smiley:
PS2s FTW! :wink:
BTW, liking your new sig pic :afro:
cheers Shaun. My cars new front look :smiley:
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Had a look on camskill's website yesterday, they're doing the Michelin PS2's for £120 a corner (18"). Good value imo.
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Pirelli = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Sorry, but they are aweful tyres!
im probably going to regret asking this but can you elaborate please?? strange that so many high performance cars would put them on but you dont think there good enough for a gti?! :tongue:
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Pirelli = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Sorry, but they are aweful tyres!
im probably going to regret asking this but can you elaborate please?? strange that so many high performance cars would put them on but you dont think there good enough for a gti?! :tongue:
Search the forum. I've posted in great detail about the absolute dangers of Pirellis.
Virtually every RS4 owner has had some very serious concerns with them, some with downright dangerous occurances with them! :angry:
And they arn't fitted on 'many' HP cars. Porsche refuse to fit them. AMG Mercedes don't fit them. BMW M-Sport don't fit them. The hot Renos don't use them. None of the high performance rice burners fit them. But Ferrari fit them, simply because Pirelli are Italian. :rolleyes:
Pirelli, like most things from Italy, are simply style before substance! :rolleyes: But if you are a 'fan' of Italian - it won't matter weather they are good or bad - some peeps will hear no wrong!
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Pirelli = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Sorry, but they are aweful tyres!
im probably going to regret asking this but can you elaborate please?? strange that so many high performance cars would put them on but you dont think there good enough for a gti?! :tongue:
Search the forum. I've posted in great detail about the absolute dangers of Pirellis.
Virtually every RS4 owner has had some very serious concerns with them, some with downright dangerous occurances with them! :angry:
And they arn't fitted on 'many' HP cars. Porsche refuse to fit them. AMG Mercedes don't fit them. BMW M-Sport don't fit them. The hot Renos don't use them. None of the high performance rice burners fit them. But Ferrari fit them, simply because Pirelli are Italian. :rolleyes:
Pirelli, like most things from Italy, are simply style before substance! :rolleyes: But if you are a 'fan' of Italian - it won't matter weather they are good or bad - some peeps will hear no wrong!
ok done a bit of reading! T_T it seems you had your Rossos on for 4000 miles then decided to get rid, fair enough. my Neros are a completely different tyre and personally im very happy with them and it seems a lot of your friends on RS246.com like them too and while i was searching their site for negative comments i only found one on the rosso from cornishmoocher who said he 360'd his car in the wet on the M6. my tires are very good in the wet the tread pattern is totally different and they give me a lot of confidence. please if i have missed something then let me know because i like to be safe for sure which is why i researched the tyres in depth before committing to them.
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Had a look on camskill's website yesterday, they're doing the Michelin PS2's for £120 a corner (18"). Good value imo.
just got 4 for mine £498 delivered from camskill. they are a work of art even the inside looks sexy lol. if im buying stuff sometimes its easier to spend the money if i think its an upgrade.
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Pirelli = :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Sorry, but they are aweful tyres!
im probably going to regret asking this but can you elaborate please?? strange that so many high performance cars would put them on but you dont think there good enough for a gti?! :tongue:
Search the forum. I've posted in great detail about the absolute dangers of Pirellis.
Virtually every RS4 owner has had some very serious concerns with them, some with downright dangerous occurances with them! :angry:
And they arn't fitted on 'many' HP cars. Porsche refuse to fit them. AMG Mercedes don't fit them. BMW M-Sport don't fit them. The hot Renos don't use them. None of the high performance rice burners fit them. But Ferrari fit them, simply because Pirelli are Italian. :rolleyes:
Pirelli, like most things from Italy, are simply style before substance! :rolleyes: But if you are a 'fan' of Italian - it won't matter weather they are good or bad - some peeps will hear no wrong!
ok done a bit of reading! T_T it seems you had your Rossos on for 4000 miles then decided to get rid, fair enough.
Because they were utterly lethal in the wet. Because they were utterly overwhealmed by my ceramic brakes. Because they caused considerable 'squirming' of the car when driving on anything other than billiard table smooth roads. Because they would virtually rip the steering wheel out of your hands when you touched white lines or cats eyes. All classic indications of an increadibly weak tyre carcass - which can NOT support the loadings of the vehicle. Grip in the dry was fairly impressive, but they had WAY to many other major flaws - and when a brand new tyre constantly looses total grip in the wet - be that cornering, braking or acclerating - then as far as I'm concerned, they are NOT fit for purpose! :angry: They are actually much worse than the Dunflop ShyteMaxx! :sick:
my Neros are a completely different tyre and personally im very happy with them
Fine, good for you. But don't forget, a Golf will not put the same 'loadings' on a tyre as a fully loaded RS4 - probably weighing in at 2.25 tonnes. That is when weaknesses in tyres are shown up!
and it seems a lot of your friends on RS246.com like them too and while i was searching their site for negative comments i only found one on the rosso from cornishmoocher who said he 360'd his car in the wet on the M6.
Erm, you seriously have NOT searched hard enough! What about Daz, who had a massive 'flap' rip open in his sidewall (yet another confirmation of dangerously weak carcass). There are literally LOADS of RS owners who positively hate the Pirellis - and for very good reasons!
my tires are very good in the wet the tread pattern is totally different and they give me a lot of confidence.
Again, fine. The Neros may be a different tread pattern. But they still have the same pi$$-weak carcass. And when the tread rubber wears down, not only will you notice a dramatic reduction in wet grip, but you will then notice you are constantly having to fight the steering wheel. :sick:
But I repeat, if you are happy with them, then that is cool. But I am just trying to put a non 'rose tinted' view of Pirellis - and I think it is vitally important that those flaws are aired. :smiley:
please if i have missed something then let me know because i like to be safe for sure which is why i researched the tyres in depth before committing to them.
Hope the above provides further food for thought. :smiley:
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thanks for the heads up :smiley: