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Title: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 11:43
was at no-rice with a couple of mates last night, one of them has a fire and ice g60, the other a b reg 8v with a g60 conversion.

dead posh guy there with a blue two tone mk2 reg plate "posh git" you may have seen him at the shows... he now has an S3 conversion sitting under the bonnet.. a challenge/discussion ensued and the I was following the fire and ice and the s3 mk2 up the A3......

kept up with them till about 130mph then thought better of it as picked up three points on friday morning.... :'(

Anyway, as they pulled away, the fire and ice was kicking arse and had about two car lengths and growing..........
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 09 September 2004, 11:53
Was it a Black mk2 with blue arches and bumpers? If so that's Richgit's. He hasn't got a S3 engine. it's from a Cupra R. Apparently it's ment to be running about 300bhp. Obviously it's not...
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 11:55
that's the one. I'm sure they said he'd just put an S3 lump in..?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 09 September 2004, 11:57
Yeah I remember hearing the same Gav - fastest Pizza boy in a Fire & Ice in the south eh ?

You see the 'Diz whiz' clocks in there too ?? Jammy git !!
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 11:59
those clocks are causing him trouble dave, last time I saw him last night he was on the hard shoulder of the m25 about 11.30pm....... the clocks are shorting the ignition and keep stopping the car dead....
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 09 September 2004, 12:01
yeah Gav. he tells everyone it's a S3 engine, but it's really a Cupra R engine. No difference really, but the principle.  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 12:03
k n o b  ;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: davidhawkins_78 on 09 September 2004, 12:05
So what's the main difference between the 2 dizze - both are 1.8 T's right??

S3 is about 230 bhp think .... Cupra R is about 200 ... or am I completely wrong ??
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Speedydub on 09 September 2004, 12:10
We went past a couple of golfs stopped, one with german plates i think???

Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 09 September 2004, 12:12
both came in 210 and 225 flavors afaik.

they're practically the same. It's just better pub bragging rights if it's from a S3 instead of a Cupra R really.

All the 1.8t 20v's are the same engines. There are a few minor differences though. the 150's and 180's have the k03 turbo. the later models having the k03 sport turbo (slightly larger/better) whereas the 210's and 225's have the larger k04 turbo. good for 270/280bhp. The TT lumps have better bottom ends so I've been told.

I could be completely wrong. this is just what I've heard and read.

Oh, the early 150 Golf engine with the AGU code has a large port head. Knightrider has fitted this to his car. Gives a bit more go when you start tuning it really. Best fitted to a TT bottom end I read.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 12:13
We went past a couple of golfs stopped, one with german plates i think???



that was them.... :-\
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Speedydub on 09 September 2004, 12:15
o dear  :-\

I had fun trying to keep up with Tony in his Rocco...I had no idea my car would do more than 70  ::) ;) :D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 09 September 2004, 12:57
was at no-rice with a couple of mates last night, one of them has a fire and ice g60, the other a b reg 8v with a g60 conversion.

dead posh guy there with a blue two tone mk2 reg plate "posh git" you may have seen him at the shows... he now has an S3 conversion sitting under the bonnet.. a challenge/discussion ensued and the I was following the fire and ice and the s3 mk2 up the A3......

His names Richgit, Hes doing the work to my car. From what i heard he took out the G60, The race continued to 150MPH. Hang on ill just check with him
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 12:59
I heard they got pretty fast....... different story on the ending though ;)

I guess everyone goes home thinking their a winner 8)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 09 September 2004, 13:00
The driver of the fire n ice was a total nutter apparetally, But i would of thaught as far as straight line driving the S3 Mk2 would of kicked the G60s ass.

Richgits car is a nice car tho, Its sorta how mine is shaping, But with different bits and mines all black, You have to respect the work thats gone into that car tho! 6 years in the making and faster than most.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 13:03
apparently he's had 157 out of the G60, and I know it's not standard ;)

All I know is the fire and ice ws leading when I backed off, I guess you had to be there at the end to see it eh ;D

according to dizzy it's not actually an s3 at all, but a cupra... :-\
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 09 September 2004, 13:06
same thing really.

Ive seen video footage of the S3 hitting 150-160 down by Ace Cafe  ;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 13:07
sounded pretty sweet I'll give you that  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 13:14
WHOAAAAAAAA one second  ;)


1) My plates arent posh git, theyre richgit  ;) (altho that doenst reflect my financial status one bit  :-\)

2) I didnt tell anyone it was an S3 lump, on more than one occasion i overheard others telling others that it was, but It's a 225bhp cupra r lump. Anyway, same thing, whats the deal?

3) Why am i a K N O B? 

4) That G60 was f**king quick, granted. He was pulling away from me, because he definitely had more balls than me in those corners. Im not writing that as in "oh yeah but if i pushed mine properly i would have sailed past him" trying to make up excuses, but yes, i was holding back because doign 130mph is quite an experience on a road im pretty unfamiliar with, and especially round corners when Im still unsure of how my car holds at such speeds.

As we got onto a long straight that I could see far ahead, i nailed it. We passed them at around 135 and went onto 145 before i came off for the m25 junction and back round again. These are all road angel readings so i know they were true values.

Oh, and the car isnt even set up on its 'proper' map yet, and would have been running about 240bhp as i was telling everyone. I said 300bhp in about 2 weeks when its going to Vince @ Stealth.

 :)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 09 September 2004, 13:16
WHOAAAAAAAA one second? ;)


1) My plates arent posh git, theyre richgit? ;) (altho that doenst reflect my financial status one bit? :-\)

He says, Despite the fact im paying him ?400 to do work on my car  :P
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Speedydub on 09 September 2004, 13:17
Wlcome to golfgti Richgit  :D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 13:19
haha, cheers  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 09 September 2004, 13:21
Loving the Sig BTW  ;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Speedydub on 09 September 2004, 13:25
Richgits? Yeh, i can see where you get you ideas from fielder  :P :D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 13:25
oh dear I've created a monster... ;)

right, lets see if we can clear this up.

1) number plate. apologies, i thought it said poshgit, but I was very stoned ;D

2) I'm not callin you a liar, if you never said that fair enough, but you can understand when both myself and Dave were standing near you'r car and everybody was saying it was an S3 it's reasonable to think we might make that assumption ;) we stand corrected.

3) a sticky one. ;) based on the above assumptions, If i see I guy who has a pretty amazing spec car but is supposedly lying about the engine I think why? seems pointless when it's already pretty good, so naturally I though
"k n o b"
as it now seems you weren't saying that I retract my k n o b with an apology (leave it golfgal)

4) all i know is what I saw, granted the boy is a nutcase, but he was leading when I backed off, and he reckons he won. don't know him well, don't know you at all so probably best If i now reserve judgement until the next quarter mle day eh ;)

gav
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: red_golf on 09 September 2004, 13:26
Well said Richgit ?:)

Got a lot of respect for you for being careful while still having a laugh !

And why would it matter who won in the end? Richgit has nothing to prove to anyone and at the end of the day i no which engine id rather have ?;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 13:38
Haha, fair play Gav...

We should have a rematch up here in north london on roads I know  ;D

or, 1/4 mile. Should be interesting (but after the mapping)  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GavG60 on 09 September 2004, 13:44
have a peace spliff next time mate ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 13:51
You knows it  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Tufty on 09 September 2004, 13:52
welcome along richgit u have wot seems to be a lovely mk 2 the blue suits it very well and no doubt when u get the map done ur car shud be even more rapid. this would be your car by day i take it

(http://www.demonvw.co.uk/photos/Golf2/Golf2_576.jpg)

Tufty
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Martz on 09 September 2004, 14:00
Greetings Richgit, nice car, nice conversion 8). I guess to do the work yourself if you sorting out Fielders shed? :P

I have seen you a few times without the plates. Thats some speed you got, are you gonna get it into PVW?

I guess the Road  Angel is a valuble piece of equipment too, I really need one but not sure what to go for.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: 1990 on 09 September 2004, 14:03
I still can't figure this out........






Which is worse, Richgits exterior or the fire and ice interior ???

 ;D ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Tufty on 09 September 2004, 14:07
wots the fire n ice car look like??
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 14:13
I still can't figure this out........



Which is worse, Richgits exterior or the fire and ice interior ???

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

f*g**t.  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 09 September 2004, 14:27
I still can't figure this out........



Which is worse, Richgits exterior or the fire and ice interior ???

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

f*ggot. ;)

the fire and ice interior is more subtle ;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: GTD. on 09 September 2004, 16:37
wots the fire n ice car look like??
(http://www.smubob.de/Fire&Ice/Sitze.JPG)
Img courtersy of
http://www.golf-fireandice.de/
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Andy947 on 09 September 2004, 16:39
I still can't figure this out........



Which is worse, Richgits exterior or the fire and ice interior ???

 ;D ;D ;D ;)

f*ggot. ;)

the fire and ice interior is more subtle ;D

But the fire and ice interior is S spectacularily SHITE its unreal!!!!! ?;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Martz on 09 September 2004, 16:48
From the rear.........................

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Martz/RichGit.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Blue MK2 on 09 September 2004, 16:58
its got Blue on it so i like it :P
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 17:10
Jeeze, that pic was with my old engine in, hence 2 small pips on the left hand side!

Here's the current (not so subtle) quad exit  :P

(http://home.btconnect.com/Roberts123/1Car/richgit5.jpg)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Martz on 09 September 2004, 17:26
That pic would look so much better next to a Optimax pump! :P

Looks quality Rich. Whats the full spec mate?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: vixteris on 09 September 2004, 18:03
hmmm this thread is an invasion from clubgti forum!! im worried, there all nutz  ;)

i believe rich's real name is dale  :P

  and ahem, someone who lifted the bonnet told me at no rice last month that it was an s3 lump cough cough  :o

welcome to the best forum on the web cgti lads  ;D



Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 18:08
That pic would look so much better next to a Optimax pump! :P

Looks quality Rich. Whats the full spec mate?

Cheers  ;D

In brief, 225bhp cupra r lump, Forge Intercooler, 6.5cm thick and as long as we could get it  ;), DTA management system, Forge dual piston DV and a few other bits im probably forgetting.

Should get it in the 280-300bhp category, but i want to keep it reliable as its my daily driver too.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Tufty on 09 September 2004, 20:55
a daily driver thats bound to be sore on the pocket petrol wise
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 09 September 2004, 23:49
i put ?50 in, lasted me 170 miles.

f**k. :o
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: 1990 on 10 September 2004, 00:15
welcome to the best forum on the web cgti lads? ;D


I'll give you best site but not best forum :-*
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 10 September 2004, 10:07

Should get it in the 280-300bhp category, but i want to keep it reliable as its my daily driver too.

Sounds good to me, I am back to 299bhp I went to 400 and it went bang! I can't be doing with cars breaking all the time so am sticking with that now.

Your end up the same as our mk1 spinning in 5th gear in the dry and 6th in the wet. Are you runnning the 6 speed box?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Martz on 10 September 2004, 10:09
i put ?50 in, lasted me 170 miles.

f**k. :o

OUCH! Thats why I am getting a Pug Diesel as my Daily driver ;D

?50 = 530 miles = Big Savings.

I reckon I would give S11EPS arun for his money doing the miles every month (800 miles a week) :o
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 10 September 2004, 11:08

Should get it in the 280-300bhp category, but i want to keep it reliable as its my daily driver too.

Sounds good to me, I am back to 299bhp I went to 400 and it went bang! I can't be doing with cars breaking all the time so am sticking with that now.

Your end up the same as our mk1 spinning in 5th gear in the dry and 6th in the wet. Are you runnning the 6 speed box?


Unfortunately not, its a 5 speed mk3 16v box. Could do with the extra gear though!!!

What box is yours then? ?? ?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 10 September 2004, 12:39


Unfortunately not, its a 5 speed mk3 16v box. Could do with the extra gear though!!!

What box is yours then? ?? ?

In the mk1 it is a seat cupra engine like you but I also use the seat 6 speed box, wiring ecu etc..... It all came together, some nice person crashed there car for us to use  ;D Even the head lights run off the seat wiring and what a diffeence they are lovely and bright!
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: kniterider on 10 September 2004, 13:49
Hey GavG60 ;D, next time your at the 1/4 mile take a look to your left...... you may find old smokey (minus 1/2 engine in boot+ice etc) ripping it up again, looking for early 15's this year.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gaz 8)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 10 September 2004, 14:38
Hmm don't know ahts happening with my replys but what I said was

In the mk1 it is a seat cupra engine like you but I also use the seat 6 speed box, wiring ecu etc..... It all came together, some nice person crashed there car for us to use   Even the head lights run off the seat wiring and what a difference they are lovely and bright!

Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 10 September 2004, 14:40
Saw rich gits car in the flesh today....Well as much in the flesh as a car can be. Its very nice, The motors impressive as well. I went there to drop off some parts for him to work on, And ended up getting sold a Twin webber carb too ?;D

Rich - if your reading this then get back to work on my bumpers you little skiver lol. ?;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 10 September 2004, 14:54
i put ?50 in, lasted me 170 miles.

f**k. :o

I thought you said it was doing 300 miles on ?30 a while ago? or was that in a previous stage of mapping?

I've got the mk3 16v 'box on my 20vT aswell. Are you getting 1000rpm for every 20mph in 5th like me Richgit?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Len on 10 September 2004, 15:04
What diff u running? My standard Mk3 16v does 90mph at 4000rpm.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 10 September 2004, 15:26
no idea dizzie, at 145mph im sure its around 6500rpm...

and g6dub - so how did you manage to fit the seat box? matt said soemthing about the driveshafts, did you have to get yours modified?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 10 September 2004, 16:19
yes they are custom made drive shafts.
Still having probelms with the seat steering colum, it still is a bit long, don't have a good turning circle and it is not perfectly smooth on retuning, so that needs to be sorted.

I want to get a LSD (limited slip diff) to help with the spinning problems, also the car will have a new look for next year! as air is going so it needs somthing a little different
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: topher on 10 September 2004, 16:55
ahh so that is your airride gear for sale in pvw classifieds  ;D
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 10 September 2004, 18:01
yeah it sure is  :)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 10 September 2004, 20:37
mine's at 7000rpm at 140mph. it's a bit scary when it goes off both clocks ;D

don't do that too often though  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: mikereynolds on 11 September 2004, 00:13
How much you looking for for the air ride kit???
Hmmmmmm sounds interesting!!
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: G6dub on 11 September 2004, 08:25
Its up for ?1000 it cost us over ?1500 less than 6 months ago
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Ryan_s3 on 11 September 2004, 09:11
hi guys,
     richgit how have you managed to use dta management on the cupra r engine ,have you switched back to a throttle cable rather than dbw?
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 11 September 2004, 11:23
yeah he has. I've got throttle cable too, but then again I'm using the standard TT management.
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: richgit on 06 October 2004, 00:02
 >:( :( 8) 8) ??? ??? :P :P :-[ :-X :-X :-* :-* :'( :'( :) :) :)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Dizzie on 06 October 2004, 00:41
interesting post there rich  ???
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 06 October 2004, 10:32
He was either drunk or stonned, He has a habbit of spamming when hes off his trolly  :-\
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: marcogolfo on 10 October 2004, 20:37
saw rich gits car at inters Oh Dear! That's all im saying!
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: Fielder5757 on 10 October 2004, 20:44
You not like it? its basically my car with blue on it and a 300BHP cupra R lump!  ;)
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: ...joe on 10 October 2004, 21:42
i think its the blue that puts people off, gotta love that engine though!
Title: Re: Fire and Ice eats S3....
Post by: marcogolfo on 18 October 2004, 16:04
The rear looks a lot better than it did down at inters.  I was a little put off by the blue I must admit, I thought a little to OTT for a golf but hey each to their own you've made a good job of it rich even if it isn't to my tastes.  What is more to my tastes though is what's sitting under the bonnet pwoooarrrgh ....NICE!   
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