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Title: removing suspension top nut
Post by: andc1 on 16 August 2009, 08:57
anyone no how to remove it? allen key is just spinning round now!
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Vdubbster on 16 August 2009, 09:27
use a pneumatic/hammer gun thing
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Wayne on 16 August 2009, 09:41
Your going to need an impact or air gun.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: andc1 on 16 August 2009, 10:27
that stll wont stop the the centre of the shock turning tho will it?

Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 10:48
Your going to need an impact or air gun.

Do these guns damage the shock absorber?
When i bought a weitec kit from c&r years ago, the warranty said it would be void if air tools were used?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Adam on 16 August 2009, 12:07
An impact gun dosnt haave to be an air tool.

An impact gun will whip that bolt off in no time.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 12:09
An impact gun dosnt haave to be an air tool.

An impact gun will whip that bolt off in no time.

Thanks, i did know the difference  :grin:
I just wanted to know if you could use either, and why c&r said you shouldn't use (i think) air tools.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Adam on 16 August 2009, 12:11
An impact gun dosnt haave to be an air tool.

An impact gun will whip that bolt off in no time.

Thanks, i did know the difference  :grin:
I just wanted to know if you could use either, and why c&r said you shouldn't use (i think) air tools.

Woops didn't relise it was you Quattro. :grin:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 12:27
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: andc1 on 16 August 2009, 14:26
just done mine now by air gun, be careful doing it with these as they are very powerful and can break the shock!!
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 14:36
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:

i fitted weitecs last week, use an air gun for the top nut.. no issues at all
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: andc1 on 16 August 2009, 14:37
mine was proper rusted on tho!!
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Wayne on 16 August 2009, 14:39
Your going to need an impact or air gun.

Do these guns damage the shock absorber?
When i bought a weitec kit from c&r years ago, the warranty said it would be void if air tools were used?

Well I would never use them on the top nuts myself.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 14:45
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:

i fitted weitecs last week, use an air gun for the top nut.. no issues at all

I wasn't saying not to do it. I was just wondering why c&r said it would void the waranty?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 14:45
Your going to need an impact or air gun.

Do these guns damage the shock absorber?
When i bought a weitec kit from c&r years ago, the warranty said it would be void if air tools were used?

Well I would never use them on the top nuts myself.

Air or electric gun?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: andc1 on 16 August 2009, 15:07
air,
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 16:04
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:

i fitted weitecs last week, use an air gun for the top nut.. no issues at all

I wasn't saying not to do it. I was just wondering why c&r said it would void the waranty?

no idea. i had a quick flick through the instructions in the box and i never saw anything about air tools in there.. just "remove top nut"
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:15
I've used Mark's electric impact gun on mine a few times and had no issues at all, in fact I want one but can't find anywhere that sells the same one.

Nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 16:21
What model has he got?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:22
No idea it's a black gun shaped thing with naff all written on it. Just has 1/4" drive on the end.

All the ones I see in Screwfix etc are like cordless drills and cost about £100, Mark said he paid £40 for his one. It work soff a fag lighter or clips on your car battery. It's flipping brilliant!

nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 16:23
one of these will shift it

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Clarke-1-Square-Drive-Air-Impact-Wrench-CAT47-AIR-GUN_W0QQitemZ350226434356QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Air_Tools_and_Compressors?hash=item518b1f4934&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:27
Oooh I found some!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/products/65752/laser_3778.html

nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 16:29
You can get battery powered impact guns on ebay, don't you fancy one of them?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:31
Having one that hooks up to the fag lighter means quick wheel changes and they're cheaper.

nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 16:32
cheaper ones here nick http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=12v+impact+wrench&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1311&_odkw=impact+gun&_osacat=0

i fancy one of those 18v snap-on 1/2" ones myself
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:32
Marks one is this one.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cir13c-1-2in-impact-wrench-kit-12v/path/trolley-jacks-bottle-jacks-transmission-jacks

I've found it brilliant.

nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 16:38
If you have access to the mains, buy one of these, they undo anything.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/clarke-cew1000-electric-impact-wrench/path/impact-wrenches-and-drivers

Amazing value.
I have one, and a cordless impact wrench from China  :laugh:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 16:40
do those 12v things really have enough torque for top nuts nick?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:45
Seem to, undone both the Rado and Golf ones in the last week and done them up again as well with no issues at all.

I guess Mark uses it all the time with no probs as well.

Nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 16:46
interesting.. i could break 10 of those and it would still cost me less than a snap-on one

now i just need to find a decent jack low enough to get under my car :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Wayne on 16 August 2009, 16:49
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:

i fitted weitecs last week, use an air gun for the top nut.. no issues at all

I wasn't saying not to do it. I was just wondering why c&r said it would void the waranty?

Bacause it is possible that the rod will turn and damage the seals.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Horney on 16 August 2009, 16:59
Rod turning is OK as long as you don't spin it at mental RPM's a quick buzz with a low torque impact gun is fine.

Nick
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Reasty on 16 August 2009, 16:59
Oooh I found some!

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/products/65752/laser_3778.html

nick

Nice one bud! ive been looking for one of these and you have just saved me the trouble,have ordered one!
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 16 August 2009, 17:05
nick i said £14 not £40 lol! it was really cheap.

it wont do stuff like wheelbolts, but its really good for stuff like top mount nuts and pulleys
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 17:24
Maybe the battery powered tools are ok, but air tools aren't?
I was hoping someone would know the answer, as i'm about to do a polo suspension soon, and i'll probably be using the gun, well not probably but definately  :grin:

i fitted weitecs last week, use an air gun for the top nut.. no issues at all

I wasn't saying not to do it. I was just wondering why c&r said it would void the waranty?

Bacause it is possible that the rod will turn and damage the seals.

That's what i thought. That's the only reason i could think of.
Also i would expect the battery powered gun to be ok, but i wouldn't use the electric one, as that's a bit too fruity.
What do you think mate?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: topher on 16 August 2009, 17:27
that laser one claims to be double the power of the clarke one.. 340Nm.. the 18v snap-on one claims 475Nm. Nick i'll let you buy one first :grin:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 17:38
Rod turning is OK as long as you don't spin it at mental RPM's a quick buzz with a low torque impact gun is fine.

Nick

Its not just spinning it Nick, its the vibration some of these tools give off.
You're probably ok with a low torque gun like you said  :smiley:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 17:40
that laser one claims to be double the power of the clarke one.. 340Nm.. the 18v snap-on one claims 475Nm. Nick i'll let you buy one first :grin:

I wouldn't bother with one of those guns powered off the car battery, they won't produce anywhere near the torque that's claimed...
Unless you want it for doing small jobs  :smiley:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: M3mP on 16 August 2009, 18:18
My cousin is bringing his snap on one tommorrow to do my fronts would u not recommend useing it?
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Adam on 16 August 2009, 18:54
I did mine with a Snap-On impact gun, its amazing. That thing will undo anything.
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: AudiA8Quattro on 16 August 2009, 19:01
I wish they weren't so f**king expensive  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: removing suspension top nut
Post by: Adam on 16 August 2009, 19:35
Cant you do a weekly payment with your local Snap-On retailer?