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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: GolfTi on 14 August 2009, 22:37
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Finally had the chance to test the top speed of my mk 5 GTi (standard build) on the German autobahn.
159mph - verified by scared passenger.
Official figures show 146mph! Was using 100 octane Shell petrol, maybe this made a difference??
149mph 'officially' for the mk 6.
Going to Germany again soon. :evil:
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Am I the only one who thinks this is utter BS? :rolleyes:
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Needs to be varified using gps to be honest.
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Needs to be varified using gps to be honest.
Maybe, but a standard Mk5 GTI will NOT get anywhere near a genuine 159mph - for two very specific reasons - aerodynamics and gearing! :rolleyes:
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Needs to be varified using gps to be honest.
Maybe, but a standard Mk5 GTI will NOT get anywhere near a genuine 159mph - for two very specific reasons - aerodynamics and gearing! :rolleyes:
Quite possibly right. But there does seem to be quite a few vids (not sure if these are GTI, ED30, or R32) on youtube pushing big figures past those quoted by VW. I know that when I hit 155 the R was more than ready to keep going.... stoooopid limiter :angry:
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Finally had the chance to test the top speed of my mk 5 GTi (standard build) on the German autobahn.
159mph - verified by scared passenger.
Official figures show 146mph! Was using 100 octane Shell petrol, maybe this made a difference??
149mph 'officially' for the mk 6.
Going to Germany again soon. :evil:
Dude, I live in northern Germany and I have just had my gti delivered on thursday. I went on the autobahn yesterday but it was busy. Rush hour or something. Going to be going back on it tomorrow to go to Bremen. If the wife stays at home then I will test it out for you.
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Top speed who really give a $hit anyway. If you need bragging rights save your money and go get your thingy extension.
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Well, good luck to the next owner of your GTI... :grin:
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Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
True but ide run mine in all same. Ive heard that only the 1st few miles actually make a difference as the pistons get nice and cosy. + Thats what warrenty is for. If your keeping for 2years like myself you might aswell nail it from day 1
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Spot on Gossa, I just got his academic qualifications thrown in my face because he thought XDS was a £700 extra in another post. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Spot on Gossa, I just got his academic qualifications thrown in my face because he thought XDS was a £700 extra in another post. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Have to say though, you thinking the chassis was different because of some options was priceless :laugh:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
I thought the advice he gave was spot on to be honest :smiley:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Spot on Gossa, I just got his academic qualifications thrown in my face because he thought XDS was a £700 extra in another post. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Have to say though, you thinking the chassis was different because of some options was priceless :laugh:
There's Julie back for her typical 'two bobs' worth - Amazing through how you brush past such a glaring error from a so called highly regarded and highly skilled technician as though it was nothing. This is a prime example of the wanky clique in force again. I think your having a bad hair day Julie, thats it, isnt it ?
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
I thought the advice he gave was spot on to be honest :smiley:
Me too to be honest, but I had to filter out the errors first :laugh:
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
Are you their father ? :grin:
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....." "Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Spot on Gossa, I just got his academic qualifications thrown in my face because he thought XDS was a £700 extra in another post. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Have to say though, you thinking the chassis was different because of some options was priceless :laugh:
There's Julie back for her typical 'two bobs' worth - Amazing through how you brush past such a glaring error from a so called highly regarded and highly skilled technician as though it was nothing. This is a prime example of the wanky clique in force again. I think your having a bad hair day Julie, thats it, isnt it ?
His error had nothing to do with his knowledge of the technical aspects. Seeing as he has not walked into a dealers to buy a mk6, and therefore has not looked at the options list of what is a priced and standard option, i dont see it as a huge error?
You have picked on a minor error which you have run into two threads to hide your hugely embarrassing error, by thinking the chassis is different from the mk5 :laugh:
Its a fail so huge its almost a win!
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T_T's style is very much that of someone who doesn't suffer fools, but that aside his in depth knowledge is a fantastic resource. Its quite easy to mix these acronym's up and in from the context it was pretty clear what he meant.
Kev's just got the hump becuase he's wrong.
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
One bad apple...
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Dont worry about VWkev, he is just bitter he doesnt even own a GTI :laugh:
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Dont worry about VWkev, he is just bitter he doesnt even own a GTI :laugh:
Yet you son of a b!tch, yet ! :grin: And when I do get it im gonna drive it round to yours to drool over. !
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
One bad apple...
I'm a bad apple ? thats class, I just have to add that to my sig.
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
One bad apple...
I'm a bad apple ? thats class, I just have to add that to my sig.
I didn't say that but if the cap fits :grin:
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The general atmosphere in the MkVI section is a real let down to this forum.
People like Jules and TT have been on here for ages and the latter in particular is always able to give quick, helpful advice. I don't know why they bother coming in here if this is the kind of play ground mentality they're faced with.
One bad apple...
I'm a bad apple ? thats class, I just have to add that to my sig.
I didn't say that but if the cap fits :grin:
Too late, I love it, its been added already. :grin:
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Dont worry about VWkev, he is just bitter he doesnt even own a GTI :laugh:
Yet you son of a b!tch, yet ! :grin: And when I do get it im gonna drive it round to yours to drool over. !
Il rev mine for you, see how long untill you are looking at part exchanges :laugh:
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Great stuff - Jules and Kev are like a married couple, when you guys moving in together!! - what was this thread about :grin:
Just for the record, I kinda like TT shooting people down - he appears to know his stuff and afterall he doesn't get paid for the stuff he provides. People should just take it on the chin :laugh:
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aye i think TT is awesome! :laugh: His owning powers are pretty dam good! and cleary knows his stuff! :cool:
Dan
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I dont mind being corrected at all, If I feel strongly enough to debate it more I will, but If I'm wrong I'm wrong and will say so. What does make my blood boil is that mistakes were made by both people, i.e. chassis and xds. Yet my quite rightly corrected mistake was me being 'owned' and the xds mistake was swept under the carpet. How convenient.
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I dont mind being corrected at all, If I feel strongly enough to debate it more I will, but If I'm wrong I'm wrong and will say so. What does make my blood boil is that mistakes were made by both people, i.e. chassis and xds. Yet my quite rightly corrected mistake was me being 'owned' and the xds mistake was swept under the carpet. How convenient.
His mistake was very minor, yours was epic :laugh:
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how does someone being wrong on an internet forum make your blood boil? chill mannnnnnnn :grin:
Dan
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I dont mind being corrected at all, If I feel strongly enough to debate it more I will, but If I'm wrong I'm wrong and will say so. What does make my blood boil is that mistakes were made by both people, i.e. chassis and xds. Yet my quite rightly corrected mistake was me being 'owned' and the xds mistake was swept under the carpet. How convenient.
His mistake was very minor, yours was epic :laugh:
Of course it was, I can see someone new to the world of buying a GTI reading this technical 'owning' persons advice and going to a dealer and giving their spec and having XDS down as an option, dealers says, thats standard. Ah ok says the buyer. Buyer gets his car, XDS is there but was thinking, where's the sport and comfort modes... Dealer, erm thats not XDS thats ACC you never asked for that. Bit of a pisser for the buyer no ?
Buyer gives spec of car to dealer, Buyer.. 'the 6 have the same chassis as the 5 ? Dealer, yep it does. Buyer... Cool.
Where's the epicness in that ?
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how does someone being wrong on an internet forum make your blood boil? chill mannnnnnnn :grin:
Dan
You should have seen me, was like a rabid dog with spit etc all over my monitor, I'm fine now though.
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Erm, he isnt buying a mk6 so why would he need to know that info? :laugh:
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Erm, he isnt buying a mk6 so why would he need to know that info? :laugh:
Geesus, thats even worse if you put it like that. If he isnt buying a mk6 why the hell is he giving out wrong advice on it when it could potentially mess up someones spec ?
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:rolleyes: How pedantic can you go? Im guessing more :undecided:
Not sure how he is messing up anyone's spec list, if someone is buying one they will be well aware of the options by getting a brochure, the brochure wont however contain technical information on it.
Stop going on about it now mate, you failed; epically. He made a slight mistake. You lose the end.
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Get a room :laugh:
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
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:rolleyes: How pedantic can you go? Im guessing more :undecided:
Not sure how he is messing up anyone's spec list, if someone is buying one they will be well aware of the options by getting a brochure, the brochure wont however contain technical information on it.
Stop going on about it now mate, you failed; epically. He made a slight mistake. You lose the end.
You must be a good friend to have, even when they make a balls up your there to hold their hand and have an uncanny way of making it meaningless and sounding less bullsh!t than it is. You go girl. I lose, ok, but your a cock so were even now ?
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
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imagine if he was buying one though - there would be technical specs galore in a MK6 sticky - who's first to do an MK6 engine rebuild then :grin: Reckon Kev would be up for it if you ever get one - ONLY JOKING :evil:
in fact we should have a sticky showing TT's best forum "flames" :grin:
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
Thats ridiculous, I'm an expert in subsea pipeline design. I don't own one though :rolleyes:
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
Thats ridiculous, I'm an expert in subsea pipeline design. I don't own one though :rolleyes:
Dont get on to me about it, wasnt me that said it.
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imagine if he was buying one though - there would be technical specs galore in a MK6 sticky - who's first to do an MK6 engine rebuild then :grin: Reckon Kev would be up for it if you ever get one - ONLY JOKING :evil:
in fact we should have a sticky showing TT's best forum "flames" :grin:
Big question is though, who would run it the clique or the other forum members ?
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
Thats ridiculous, I'm an expert in subsea pipeline design. I don't own one though :rolleyes:
i'm an expert in spending money..... i don't own loads of it though :(
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hey Ronnie, arent you supposed to run-in ur new GTI before attempting a speed breaker? I dont think you want your engine to be wrecked when its only 3 days old... ho ho ho :drool:
Running in an engine is a thing of the past. You only need to run in an engine of a lesser quality vehicle. Anyway, I will not have for much more than a year before I upgrade it.
Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post?
Huh - I don't think I just jump in on any thread without actually backing up my comments and concerns with valid additions! I would doubt the very last thing that others would say about me is that I fail to offer any 'helpful follow up'! :huh:
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....."
OK, then - do tell me where, officially, where definative manufactuer-approved information is to NOT run in an engine? :smug: :rolleyes:
"Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Ohhhhh - now I ALWAYS back up my oil based discussions with hard based facts! I think your complaint on this particular issue should be directed in the other direction. !!
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Erm, my comments will never be more 'dramatic' - compared to someone stating that 'engines do NOT need running in'! That latter comment is both extremely arrogant, and utterly without ANY technical proof - yet you call me dramatic. Pot, kettle, and black.
HAND, and all that. :smiley:
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Just for the record, I kinda like TT shooting people down - he appears to know his stuff and afterall he doesn't get paid for the stuff he provides. People should just take it on the chin :laugh:
:afro: :wink:
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I dont mind being corrected at all, If I feel strongly enough to debate it more I will, but If I'm wrong I'm wrong and will say so. What does make my blood boil is that mistakes were made by both people, i.e. chassis and xds. Yet my quite rightly corrected mistake was me being 'owned' and the xds mistake was swept under the carpet. How convenient.
His mistake was very minor, yours was epic :laugh:
Of course it was, I can see someone new to the world of buying a GTI reading this technical 'owning' persons advice and going to a dealer and giving their spec and having XDS down as an option, dealers says, thats standard. Ah ok says the buyer. Buyer gets his car, XDS is there but was thinking, where's the sport and comfort modes... Dealer, erm thats not XDS thats ACC you never asked for that. Bit of a pisser for the buyer no ?
Horsesh!t. The purchaser should read the official sales brochure and pricelist to verify what the 'acronyms' mean, and what are options and what are standard fitment. Or are you really saying that someone should lash out £25k notes, wholly and utterly based on what some dood on the 'tinternet', whom you don't actually know from Adam - and completely ignore VWs own official printed literature. :rolleyes: Their glossy brochures clearly state what XDS and ACC are. I made a simple mistake of confusing one acronym for another, and it is blatantly clear to see that it was just an unfortunate 'mistake' - yet it 'boils your blood'! Go and smoke a spliff or sommat!
Buyer gives spec of car to dealer, Buyer.. 'the 6 have the same chassis as the 5 ? Dealer, yep it does. Buyer... Cool.
Where's the epicness in that ?
Simples. ACC and XDS are in the brochure, and are easily verifyable. 'Chassis' detail is NOT in the brochure, but IS available from reliable external sources! :nerd: Simples number twos. Dub stealers have got to 'big up' in any way they can - so if they can somehow portray that the 6 is a complete new car, then they will.
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
Are you for real, or are you just takin the p!ss now? :undecided:
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imagine if he was buying one though - there would be technical specs galore in a MK6 sticky - who's first to do an MK6 engine rebuild then :grin: Reckon Kev would be up for it if you ever get one - ONLY JOKING :evil:
in fact we should have a sticky showing TT's best forum "flames" :grin:
And would the 'Xenon retrofit' thread be at the top of the list??? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Wow what a rant :grin: :laugh: :laugh:
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Wow what a rant :grin: :laugh: :laugh:
Which? :huh:
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"subsea pipeline".
doesn't everyone own one?
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"subsea pipeline".
doesn't everyone own one?
If you don't I'll sell you one :smug:
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"subsea pipeline".
doesn't everyone own one?
I LOL'd big time at that! Thanks JV! :afro:
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My point was that TT is obviously very well respected and looking at some of his posts on here he's a very helpful and knowledgeable guy but he posts in a particular way and he has made a couple of errors that clearly identifies he isn't correct on everything.
My point was his style of posting was a bit arrogant but I'm sure like most people on this forum they appreciate an expert opinion and he clearly has one.
But as Julie says, his expert opinion doesnt count for Mk6's as he is not buying one, so you have to get a truck load of salt and use it as it might not be correct. No biggie though.
Are you for real, or are you just takin the p!ss now? :undecided:
It wasnt me that said it.
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Guys, T_T has been no end of help to the mk5 guys (and me when i had one) the only reason your posts are 'flamed' is because information you have been passed/heard etc is probably incorrect. choose to listen/ dont choose to listen but he knows his stuff and is invaluable when it comes to anything technical bout dese' new motors! :smiley:
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Guys, T_T has been no end of help to the mk5 guys (and me when i had one) the only reason your posts are 'flamed' is because information you have been passed/heard etc is probably incorrect. choose to listen/ dont choose to listen but he knows his stuff and is invaluable when it comes to anything technical bout dese' new motors! :smiley:
Well put Dan!! :smiley:
I couldnt agree more. Although some of you will have differing opinions for whatever reason, he is a great help for many on here and doesnt charge you for sound advice which is very hard to come by. Just pop down your local dealer for an example of the opposite.
yes we all know TT is passionate about what he writes, but its all mean in good humour I assure you. Play nice peeps :cool:
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Nope, ALL engines need running in - even VW ones! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Hi, I'm relatively new to the forum, you seem to be very knowledgeable but you also seem to just jump on a thread and shoot people down without any helpful follow up. If you know so much why not share it rather than just flame every post? [/quote]
Huh - I don't think I just jump in on any thread without actually backing up my comments and concerns with valid additions! I would doubt the very last thing that others would say about me is that I fail to offer any 'helpful follow up'! :huh:
You do make people weezle it out of you rather than just offering it up though.
"Actually all engines should be run it correctly because blah blah blah....."
OK, then - do tell me where, officially, where definative manufactuer-approved information is to NOT run in an engine? :smug: :rolleyes:
Dunno mate, I never made the comments about running an engine in.
"Actually that oil isn't recommended because of blah blah however Y brand is good because....."
Ohhhhh - now I ALWAYS back up my oil based discussions with hard based facts! I think your complaint on this particular issue should be directed in the other direction. !!
Yes you do back it up but not at first so if you know the info just post it and not like: No, you shouldn't use that oil! then three posts later post what they should use, see my point?
Get my drift? You seem to love a dramatic exclamation mark.
Erm, my comments will never be more 'dramatic' - compared to someone stating that 'engines do NOT need running in'! That latter comment is both extremely arrogant, and utterly without ANY technical proof - yet you call me dramatic. Pot, kettle, and black.
HAND, and all that. :smiley:
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Again fella, the engine comment wasn't mine so I remain undramatic and your upper case words and exclamation points backs up my point.
As I have said, you seem to be very knowledgeable TT and that's what 'ordinary' people like me come on here for, to get good info and thanks for the interesting stuff you've posted that has been helpful. But you've also been wrong about stuff and said tyres are shyte you evidently haven't driven on.
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i'd like to know if running is really that important-
do demo's get run in? i think not, audi let me spank an A3 black edition to 6rpm in the first couple of gears and it only had 200miles on the clock, and during my test drive in the gti the sales rep told me their sales manager had an R32 (presumably well under 5,000 miles) had achieved 8mpg on one journey. :shocked: Get this - he then followed it up with an offer as it would soon be up for sale, and was actually surprised at my lack of interest. i would imagine that would require some hard revving even in an r32
so - has anyone bought an ex-demo - if so and they are usually fine, then surely running in is not quite as important as we might think.
don't get me wrong my scoob got run in (book says to keep under 4k revs), and so will the gti (not sure of rev limit) :nerd:
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This thread turned into an interesting debate about most things, but just thought Id put my 2 cents in and say anyone who wants to start 'i just did this speed' conversations is a bit of a plank to be fair. This forum is about discussing, appreciating, helping and doing all things GTI, not getting your d*&ks out and waving them in each others faces surely?!!!!
On a related note, I went 289mph in mine yesterday, whilst achieving that speed I was eating a burger and watching a DVD, beat that...
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Running in is usually for the first 1000 miles.
All metal against metal parts need to bed in, otherwise you risk having permanent problems with excessive oil consumption, and even compression issues.
Some people seem to get away with it, i can't say for sure. But if it was my motor i wouldn't take the chance!
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I think it is fairly commonly accepted that courtessy cars, dealer demos, hire cars, lease cars, press fleet cars - all never get run in. But these are always sold on long before any potential probs can arise.
Specifically regarding dealer demos - I would suggest that the general advice would be to avoid where possible. However, there are some dealers who do actually run in their demos correctly - though this is usually their higher performance 'halo' cars, such as the GTI, R32, RS4, R8. But I doubt that any 1 litre 3 cylinder VW Fox gets properly run it! So the best, and most 'common sense' advice would be simply to get to know the dealer - and get them to drive the car with you in it - and see how they treat it. OK, this isn't going to give an 'absolute' answer, but at least you can get some kind of idea of weather they are 'mechanically concientious' or not.
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I heard a rumor Hayselden In doncaster crashed a new GTI against the ramps in the garage. Fixed the paint and side up quick and sold it brand new to a customer. :undecided:
That treating cars well for you
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...the sales rep told me their sales manager had an R32 (presumably well under 5,000 miles) had achieved 8mpg on one journey. ......i would imagine that would require some hard revving even in an r32
Nope :grin:
Into S and floor it and you will easily see 8mpg :laugh:
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...the sales rep told me their sales manager had an R32 (presumably well under 5,000 miles) had achieved 8mpg on one journey. ......i would imagine that would require some hard revving even in an r32
Nope :grin:
Into S and floor it and you will easily see 8mpg :laugh:
but as an average for the whole journey?? it was 'apparently' circa 100 miles!
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...the sales rep told me their sales manager had an R32 (presumably well under 5,000 miles) had achieved 8mpg on one journey. ......i would imagine that would require some hard revving even in an r32
Nope :grin:
Into S and floor it and you will easily see 8mpg :laugh:
but as an average for the whole journey?? it was 'apparently' circa 100 miles!
Very unlikely... others usually get in the way :laugh:
Joking aside 8mpg is not that difficult from the off, but to maintain that over 100miles is going tobe very difficult unless your on a track.
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Yeah easily do able, if you had it in manual and left it in optimum gears, overtaking and going at excessive speeds. You would need to try to do it though!
I get 30mpg with overtakes, high average and low average speeds.
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I think it is fairly commonly accepted that courtessy cars, dealer demos, hire cars, lease cars, press fleet cars - all never get run in. But these are always sold on long before any potential probs can arise.
Specifically regarding dealer demos - I would suggest that the general advice would be to avoid where possible. However, there are some dealers who do actually run in their demos correctly - though this is usually their higher performance 'halo' cars, such as the GTI, R32, RS4, R8. But I doubt that any 1 litre 3 cylinder VW Fox gets properly run it! So the best, and most 'common sense' advice would be simply to get to know the dealer - and get them to drive the car with you in it - and see how they treat it. OK, this isn't going to give an 'absolute' answer, but at least you can get some kind of idea of weather they are 'mechanically concientious' or not.
TT what would you say is the best way to run in a new GTI? I come from a motorbike background and was advised by my supplying dealer that if I ran it in 'enthusiastically' that it would end up a bit quicker. I know this is a much flogged to death subject but i'm interested in what is considered the 'correct way'.
Cheers
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I think it is fairly commonly accepted that courtessy cars, dealer demos, hire cars, lease cars, press fleet cars - all never get run in. But these are always sold on long before any potential probs can arise.
Specifically regarding dealer demos - I would suggest that the general advice would be to avoid where possible. However, there are some dealers who do actually run in their demos correctly - though this is usually their higher performance 'halo' cars, such as the GTI, R32, RS4, R8. But I doubt that any 1 litre 3 cylinder VW Fox gets properly run it! So the best, and most 'common sense' advice would be simply to get to know the dealer - and get them to drive the car with you in it - and see how they treat it. OK, this isn't going to give an 'absolute' answer, but at least you can get some kind of idea of weather they are 'mechanically concientious' or not.
hear! hear!
the GTI i test drove still had the suspension blocks on!!
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If I was buying a new car, i would defo keep away from demos. The one I drove was only prep'd up that morning, and I was the first one to drive it (hard) from cold with only 8miles on the clock.
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Personally I'll be running in however vw advise, but given I'll get mine nov/dec time that might just be called sensible driving. I'm absolutely no expert on cars, but in the strange world of high end (ish) hi-fi, I can say every damn cable needs running in, valves take a few hours to start ging their best etc etc.....and I suspect its still the same with cars, technology moves on, but the fundamentals remain, everything just needs to bed in, and that takes a little time.
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I think it is fairly commonly accepted that courtessy cars, dealer demos, hire cars, lease cars, press fleet cars - all never get run in. But these are always sold on long before any potential probs can arise.
Specifically regarding dealer demos - I would suggest that the general advice would be to avoid where possible. However, there are some dealers who do actually run in their demos correctly - though this is usually their higher performance 'halo' cars, such as the GTI, R32, RS4, R8. But I doubt that any 1 litre 3 cylinder VW Fox gets properly run it! So the best, and most 'common sense' advice would be simply to get to know the dealer - and get them to drive the car with you in it - and see how they treat it. OK, this isn't going to give an 'absolute' answer, but at least you can get some kind of idea of weather they are 'mechanically concientious' or not.
TT what would you say is the best way to run in a new GTI?
Well the most obvious, and most fundamental answer is to fully comply with what it says in the owners manual. So on the day you go and pick up your brand new car, you will naturally feel like a dog with two dicks, and just wanna get out and drive it ASAP - my really, really important advice would be to read the manual before you even fire up the engine. No matter how desparate you are to drive it, even if you just read the relevent one or two specific pages on running it in will be a great help. If the stealer gets a little pushy for you to move off the fourcourt (if they have a high turnover of new car collections, such as on 1st September), then just drive off the fourcourt, and park up somewhere round the corner and have a read.
There are greater, more in-depth ways of running in, and there are also some vitally important 'do nots'. Search the Mk5 section where I posted some really detailed stuff.
But a couple of really important points - the first seems to be always overlooked, and the second is specific to 'auto' gearboxes. So firstly - ALWAYS make sure the ENGINE has reached its normal operating temperature. That means both the coolant AND the oil. On the Golf, the coolant is easy, because you have a coolant temperature guage (when some cars now seem to not have one at all! :rolleyes:), but the oil is more difficult, because there is no guage or warning light for oil temps. On VW cars with 2zone climatronic, there is a method of accessing the 'hidden menus' - but most peeps (even me! :embarassed:) forget how to access it. So . . . . a good 'rule of thumb' is that engine oil always takes longer than the coolant to reach normal operating temperature (due to its molecular construction, density, and also fundamental engine designs). So, from experience (and depending on outside ambient temps), the oil will take between 2 and 5 minutes longer than the coolant to reach operating temps.
Secondly, DSG and 'flappy paddles'. Whilst you may be severly tempted to use manual mode or the paddles - the DSG, just like all modern electronically controlled auto gearboxes, will optimise the shift points to achive the most rapid engine warm up procedure. So just leave the stick in D mode until it gets warm.
I come from a motorbike background and was advised by my supplying dealer that if I ran it in 'enthusiastically' that it would end up a bit quicker.
Ahhhhhhh . . . motorbikes, running in, and maximum power! Yes, I am well aware of that certain Yank site which tells peeps to thrash the bollox of them straight out of the box! :rolleyes: But will he pay the bill for when you engine needs a rebuild, or when it fails any emissions tests? :wink:
Yes, sure, I fully accept that by giving it the beans from the off, you will enable the engine to deliver slightly more power much earlier in the engines 'life' - but by doing so - you will seriously reduce the engines life too. And even then, by caning it from the off, the power gains are increadibly limited. For example, on a litre bike engine, such as a Fireblade or Gixxer, you will probably get an extra 1 or 2 bhp over what you would have from running it in by the book. And on say the GTI engine, you might get an extra 3 or 4 ponies. So is it really worth it? :sad:
Just ask yourself how many sportsbikes you know which have done anywhere near a 100k miles or more, without needing anything more than the usual routing maintenance items (such as camchains & tensioners, and tappet shims)! If you can find me a Fireblade or Gixxer which was caned from the off, and has more than 80k miles on the clock, I'll buy you a slab of beer! :wink:
And actually, those 'extra' horses which were gained during the very early life by caning it can still be gained when running an engine by the book - but it will just take a little longer. Just like I mentioned in the oil thread, where it can take anywhere between about 8k to 14k to get the oil consumption to stabilise, it is also around these figures when engines are well and truely run in, and will therefore be making maximum power. And it is also this reason why I personally don't agree with remapping an engine when it is relatively new. :wink:
Finally, don't forget, motorcycle dealers are only interested in selling bikes, and selling bits and workshop time to fit them. And bikers are a fikkle community - they generally don't have the same levels of 'brand loyalty' as say dub owners or indeed car owners as a whole. And how often is 'long term reliability' considered when a biker purchases a brand new bike. :wink:
I know this is a much flogged to death subject but i'm interested in what is considered the 'correct way'.
The 'correct way' is to never disregard what it says in the owners manual. :wink:
HTH :smiley:
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
Well that is a welcome bonus. :afro:
But I wonder where VW stole that idea from - a hint is in my sig! :tongue:
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Interesting TT. I got my remap done at 1500 miles, you reckon that's too early? Why is that?
Revo reckoned my car was 225bhp stock and 275 odd mapped, not sure if that sounds a bit optimistic of the stock setting? I do make sure the oil temp is 80 plus before I start giving it any beans but I would admit to driving it in with enthusiasm but not stupidity.
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
Well that is a welcome bonus. :afro:
But I wonder where VW stole that idea from - - a hint is in my sig! :tongue:
Mk1 golf GTI :wink:
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Am I the only one who thinks this is utter BS? :rolleyes:
TT
Not altogether sure why I'd post this if it was BS.
As I said in the original post the speed of 159mph was witnessed by myself and front passenger.
I have much better things to do with my time than make things up, just thought some on here may be interested or have done similar themselves.
Maybe you should try this for yourself on an unrestricted road before you place this type of comment.
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maybe this will help... :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cpiQHefac8
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maybe this will help... :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cpiQHefac8
that was an indicated 265 kph = 164.7 mph - knock off about 5% as I find speedos are nearly always optimistic, and that gives approx 156mph
was this a standard Mk5?
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maybe this will help... :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cpiQHefac8
that was an indicated 265 kph = 164.7 mph - knock off about 5% as I find speedos are nearly always optimistic, and that gives approx 156mph
was this a standard Mk5?
that what it says... although how std we dont know :undecided:
When I got to speed in mine it was hungry for more!! defo still pulling when I hit 150.. but its not a gti so :tongue:
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I have had an indicated £1.52 it felt about £1.40 in real money :wink: which is about right for a standard GTI.
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Interesting TT. I got my remap done at 1500 miles, you reckon that's too early? Why is that?
Like I said, the engine won't be 'truely' run in. You'll be surprised just how much VAG engines free up after around the 10k mark. I don't know if you looked at the thread on the results of the last JKM RR day - my otherwise completely standard (well apart from uprated intercoolers, but nowt else) made sommat like 207 bhp on the rollers, when the standard GTI bhp is 197 bhp. And whenever it went into the stealers, they always asked me if it had a remap (which it hadn't until this years Inters), because they said it went like stink compared to any other standard GTI.
Revo reckoned my car was 225bhp stock and 275 odd mapped, not sure if that sounds a bit optimistic of the stock setting?
What are the stock bhp for the Mk6? I know that the PS figure is 211, but that is very slighly different to our 'imperial' bhp. Anyway, the only real figures which count are the 'difference'.
I do make sure the oil temp is 80 plus before I start giving it any beans but I would admit to driving it in with enthusiasm but not stupidity.
I was always advised that 85 deg C is when oils really start to become on song - but what is 5 deg C between mates? :tongue: :grin: Seriously though, do you happen to know where the oil temp sensor is on the Mk6 mota? On the Mk5, it is from the combined oil pressure/temp sender - but I can't remember where in the 'circuit' it is - so the oil in the sump may still be a touch cooler. And have you noticed if the oil and water temps increase at roughly the same rate? :nerd:
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
Well that is a welcome bonus. :afro:
But I wonder where VW stole that idea from - - a hint is in my sig! :tongue:
Mk1 golf GTI :wink:
not in the mfd! :tongue:
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Am I the only one who thinks this is utter BS? :rolleyes:
TT
Not altogether sure why I'd post this if it was BS.
As I said in the original post the speed of 159mph was witnessed by myself and front passenger.
I have much better things to do with my time than make things up, just thought some on here may be interested or have done similar themselves.
Was that what the speedo said? Because, don't forget that most car speedos overread by upto 10% - so your genuine top speed would have been around 143 to 145 mph, which is what the GTI is geared for. If you were to go faster than that (if you actually could overcome the aerodynamic resistance), then you would simply be bouncing off the rev limiter in top gear.
Maybe you should try this for yourself on an unrestricted road before you place this type of comment.
I have. OK, not in a Mk6, but I have in my Mk5, RS4, S4, Vectra GSIs, and a few other high powered cars - all on the A-bahns in Germany. And I can assure you two things - firstly, ALL speedos get very inaccurate when above 100-120 mph, and secondly, ALL cars with a straight down back end (such as the Golf, and estate cars in general) all suffer from poor aerodynamics - which is why all 'saloons' can reach higher top speeds compared to their identical spec 'estates'. :nerd:
Oh, and sorry it I came across as any kind of 'personal attack', because I didn't mean it like that. :embarassed: It is just the general pi$$-taking relaxed sense of humour this forum enjoys - thankfully, JV and his crew haven't (yet) employed any 'humor police'. :lipsrsealed: :grin:
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
Well that is a welcome bonus. :afro:
But I wonder where VW stole that idea from - - a hint is in my sig! :tongue:
Mk1 golf GTI :wink:
not in the mfd! :tongue:
True its in the MFA :tongue:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/DSC00287.jpg
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^^^^ just to add the oil temp is in the mfd so is much easier to access now
Well that is a welcome bonus. :afro:
But I wonder where VW stole that idea from - - a hint is in my sig! :tongue:
Mk1 golf GTI :wink:
not in the mfd! :tongue:
True its in the MFA :tongue:
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/flogitg/AudioNetPhoto/DSC00287.jpg)
Well, I never knew that! :embarassed: :embarassed: But then the last time I worked on a Mk1, the GTI wasn't even born! :lipsrsealed: