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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: fazmufc on 12 August 2009, 23:02
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Hi all, :)
Sorry im a beginner on here but wanted to ask a silly question it maybe. :D
Basically my alarm went of the other day and it some how has drained my battery. I have a key but i normally open the car with the central locking system. I am now trying to open the bonnet but have to access the inside, but i cant find where the actual lock is to insert the key in? :laugh:
Is there a way to finding it? or is there another way to open the bonnet? any help be much apprecited :)
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you mean bonnet or boot?
bonnet is opened by the release handle in the driver's footwell area. If it won't open, you will need to remove the grille and open the release manually.
If you're talking about the boot, there is no way to open the boot manually from the outside. You have to use the button on the keyfob. If you are inside the car and you can get to the boot from the inside, you can open it.
Take down the back seats, crawl under the parcel shelf. There's a circular cap with a slit on the boot's inner surface. Use something like your key to prise it off and then look for the little lever (with your finger, you can't see it) and press it to the left (as you face, so to the driver's side of the car). This will release the boot from the inside. Take a torch and a mini-fan. It's hot and dark in there.
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you're trying to open your bonnet from the outside, with a key?
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The bonnet is the big sticky out bit at the front with the engine inside, yep? And the boot is the bit at the back for bring home the beer. If the back bit, press in the big circular vw badge in the middle (assuming it's a golf gti) and if it's the front bit ie the bonnet, there's a lever on the drivers side footwell on the right. Not really sure from your post what the issue is.....any more info?
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Not sure either what your post means :rolleyes:
The usual keylock position is on the drivers door next to the handle
I can only assume your car is 2nd hand and has had the keylock removed by the previous owner ( a security mod a few owners have done)
If so I hav'nt a clue how to get into the car :laugh:
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Sorry for the post was in a rush writing it up and lost all idea of what i was doing lol
Basically yeah the guy above got it correct that i am looking for the door lock next to the handle. I cant find the door lock, i bought it private of a mate who says its never happened to him so just trying to see how to get to open the front bonnet, so i can get access to charge up the battery.
Any ideas if the door lock is there and if it has been removed what can be done?
Cheers
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Faz, do you actually have a physical 'keyhole' in the exterior door handle on the drivers side? Because even with a flat battery, you can still put the key in the lock, and turn it forward (clockwise, about a 1/4 turn) to unlock the drivers door. The alarm may sound, but this will go off when you put the key in the ignition, and turn on the ignition (providing there is enough juice in the batt to light the warning lamps).
Regarding the actual bonnet, a Golf aint no Ford <spit> - VWs simply use a pull-handle in the drivers footwell to release the bonnet - so you don't/can't use a 'key' to open the bonnet!
Hope all this helps, but keep us updated, and ask again if you want any more help. :smiley:
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Hi,
There is no physical keyhole, i think they at some point have been taken out. As i cant see one in the boot either or the drivers side. If it did i could just put the key and open it no problem but it just doesnt seem to have one anywwhere unless im missing something completely :(
I think the only option looking at it is, to try and open up the front bonnet and get access to the battery, which is a problem.
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Hi,
There is no physical keyhole, i think they at some point have been taken out.
Ahhhhhh . . . I see. So someone must have removed the original door handle for some reason. Why, though, phases me!
As i cant see one in the boot either or the drivers side. If it did i could just put the key and open it no problem but it just doesnt seem to have one anywwhere unless im missing something completely :(
There never was any keyholes on the Mk5 in the boot, bonnet or the passenger side or rear doors either. Only the drivers side front door (on five door cars :tongue:) had a keyhole.
I think the only option looking at it is, to try and open up the front bonnet and get access to the battery, which is a problem.
Yes, I agree now. If you look at the 'child section' of this Mk5 forum - 'maintenance + info' - there is a sticky thread for 'Free Golf V workshop manuals'. Download the correct manual, and it will tell you how to remove the front grille - but I have a strong feeling that unless the bonnet is opened before, you can't remove the top bolts of the upper grille. Which would probably mean jacking it up, removing the undertray, and trying it like that. The only other way which might work is to jack up and remove the front drivers side roadwheel, and the plastic wheel arch liner, and then you should see the bonnet release cable - by tugging on the outer cable, you should be able to release the bonnet. Otherwise, it will have to be RAC or AA, or lift the car and take it to a Dub stealer.
One final comment, if you do open the bonnet, the alarm will still sound - even with a flat battery, because the alarm has their own discrete back-up battery, which works the alarm when the main battery is flat or disconnected.
HTH :smiley:
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appreciate the help, so on a normal mk5 its just on the drivers side the physical keyhole normally? Just wondering if i was walking past the car, would i physically see the key hole? or do you have to open the handle for it to come out?
Cheers
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appreciate the help, so on a normal mk5 its just on the drivers side the physical keyhole normally?
Correct.
Just wondering if i was walking past the car, would i physically see the key hole? or do you have to open the handle for it to come out?
Cheers
The drivers side door handle with a keyhole is physically different to all the others. The keyhole is actually in the 'fixed' part of the door handle, and is clearly visible without lifting anything. I've gotta log off now, but hopefully someone else will post a pic of the door handle, or try Google images.
HTH
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Yeah appreciate the help thanks for that.
I am left with option of either trying to open up the front bonnet now or try and break into the car. :laugh:
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Before you do that mate if you are in the AA RAC OR Green Flag i would call them out.
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I cant see the AA doing much coz there useluss lol
I just found out the problem for 100 percent sure, there is no actual physical key lock on the car, i think the car was previously attempted to be stolen and key lock was broken into and wasnt ever replaced due to the obvious cost.
So this now is a problem, i only got couple of options.
I need to try and get access to the battery so i can get the immboaliser to work, whats the best way to do this?
I can either get into the car some how nt sure how, possible window to be smashed or just try to open the bonnet some how but not sure how i can do that as car cant be move :(
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So, your keyfob won't allow you access to the car and there is no where to put in your key on the drivers door?
Take it that the battery on the key fob isn't goosed? Have you tried the second key or a replacement battery (for the key)?
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It is worth calling RAC/AA if you are a member.
They do have 'special' tools and techniques for getting into the car.
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So, your keyfob won't allow you access to the car and there is no where to put in your key on the drivers door?
Take it that the battery on the key fob isn't goosed? Have you tried the second key or a replacement battery (for the key)?
Yeah i tried the replacement for the battery no luck either, it still flashes red light when pressing it but the red alarm which was flashing in the car before when its locked, no longer flashes :(
I tried to open the grill but its very difficult without the bonnet being open as it seems to have the screws there, i managed to get one out but the other one is not coming out.
I think the only option at the moment is to smash the window :laugh:
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I would call autoglass or your local glass repair place and ask them how much it is for replacement glass for the front windows, rear windows, and back screen..... at least that way you can smash the cheapest glass to replace :nerd: :wink:
p.s. You might want to check stock availibility also.. no point in breaking the cheapest one to find its out of stock for 6 months :laugh:
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maybe a silly suggestion, but the cap next to the handle where the lock would be could be just a cap, coving the lock for the astetic reasons, try taking the cap off to see if there is a key barrel underneath
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Basically got into the car today, got the bonnet open and managed to get the boot open some how.
But the thing is now my doors dont open from the outside when i use the key control. Any ideas whats going on here? do you think its de locked from the outside now? but the doors when your in the car open from the inside just not from the outside?
cheers all appreciate all the help, hopefully can get to the bottom of it :smiley:
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Have you tried the action outlined here to reset the key? I've not done this myself but it may be worth trying.
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=125982.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=125982.0)
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Does it ask for a 2nd key, i only got 1 key with the car?
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Just a update at the moment, im getting there slowly each day it seems lol
I managed to get the car remote working now, had to get it reset at the garage £20 out of pocket :(
But he couldnt get my doors to open still from the outside, the only way to access the car is through the boot. Do you think this is electric or more mechanical problem?
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I cant see the AA doing much coz there useluss lol
I just found out the problem for 100 percent sure, there is no actual physical key lock on the car, i think the car was previously attempted to be stolen and key lock was broken into and wasnt ever replaced due to the obvious cost.
So this now is a problem, i only got couple of options.
I need to try and get access to the battery so i can get the immboaliser to work, whats the best way to do this?
I can either get into the car some how nt sure how, possible window to be smashed or just try to open the bonnet some how but not sure how i can do that as car cant be move :(
Another thought - get an indepenent car glass fitter to remove the rear screen - then you can climb through the rear window opening, release the bonnet with the normal handle, and then charge up your battery (though you seriously ought to think about replacing it - because modern car batteries are generally scrap once they become completely discharged). Then you could replace the rear screen with a factory tinted one! :wink:
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Basically got into the car today, got the bonnet open and managed to get the boot open some how.
Hope you didn't do any damage.
But the thing is now my doors dont open from the outside when i use the key control. Any ideas whats going on here? do you think its de locked from the outside now? but the doors when your in the car open from the inside just not from the outside?
That will be because the doors are deadlocked. And the keys need synchronising.
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Mate i managed to get the battery charged and the remote is working now, the alarm is again showing.
But the only thing is the doors dont open, from the inside they do but not from the outside. the boot opens but the two doors dont open when im out the car, so only way to get in the car at the moment is through the boot lol. I think i may have to take the door cards out to see if its a mechanism thats wrong, cant think what else it could be really?
How hard is it to get the door cards out?
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try holding down the open button on the key. it should lower the windows after 3 seconds and then you can open from the inside by reaching in
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Thanks for the tip got that working now, little easier :)
Any ideas what i can do with the doors from the outside, i think they might need a new mechanism as they were dead locked?
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Faz, its late, and I'm too knackered to check, but I suspect there may be some fault codes in your central convenience module - find someone with vag-com to clear the codes, and re-adapt the coding in the module.
HTH
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No luck at the moment, is it more likely to be a mechanical problem or electrical you feel?
Its just both doors dont open, the boot is fine, the windows are fine. I resetted so it directs for the doors to be open but they just dont open from the outside which i find weird.
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Faz, what car do you have and what year is it?
I take it when you've pressed the key to gain entry you have also actually tried to get in via the passenger door?
Someone mentioned earlier that the drivers side door lock may just have a colour coded cover over the actual lock, have you tried to prise this off?
Have you gone to a main dealer with this at all? They cannot just say "dunno" and leave you to clamber in through the boot or now the windows! Else go to a specialist vw, and get any error codes checked.
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Faz, what car do you have and what year is it?
I take it when you've pressed the key to gain entry you have also actually tried to get in via the passenger door?
Someone mentioned earlier that the drivers side door lock may just have a colour coded cover over the actual lock, have you tried to prise this off?
Have you gone to a main dealer with this at all? They cannot just say "dunno" and leave you to clamber in through the boot or now the windows! Else go to a specialist vw, and get any error codes checked.
Hi mate,
Its an 04 Plate GTI
Yeah i tried to get in via both ways, only door which opens is the boot but being a 3 door neither the front driver or passenger side door open from the outside.
I tried the lock but it has been totally de locked, even the AA guy confirmed that. I managed to get the remote reset so i can open the doors but have to put the window down to open them.
That is my next option, i phoned them up today and see what they are saying, if not i will go in tommorrow. Just was wondering if anyone else has had this happened as i can imagine dealers will charge there normal ridicolous prices.
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So you've got a Mk4 GTI? We've all been giving you information re Mk5, just as well it was similar..else this thread would have got even more confusing. Correction apparently MK5's WERE around in 04, sorry...cant believe I didnt know that...d'Oh!
If I were you I would look up a vw specialist in your area, take it to them when they are not busy and drop in and ask if they have a look at it, it may not be as expensive as you think.
My local vw specialist fixed my Cruise control for free, that involved hooking up vagcom and making some changes, it only took 5 mins...As a result I now take my business there....(but thats a different story).
I asked the year to see if you were in warranty, you are not, so try to avoid the stealerships and go vw specialist. I am sure if you tell people where you are someone will recommend a place or two.
Probably something just needs reset....dunno if theres a fuse for the central locking, but the fact that your boot opens tells me that the chances are that its not that. Maybe theres someone local with vag com on here who could hook it up and have a look.
Good luck let us know how you get on.
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Put the key in the ignition and switch on (dont start the car, just light the dash up), press the lock button on the key fob.. then the unlock button.. then turn the ignition off. That -should- sort you out. I guess you pressed the unlock button too many times and it threw a wobbly.
There is another procedure but that involves putting the key in the door lock... which won't be of much use to you :grin:
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Put the key in the ignition and switch on (dont start the car, just light the dash up), press the lock button on the key fob.. then the unlock button.. then turn the ignition off. That -should- sort you out. I guess you pressed the unlock button too many times and it threw a wobbly.
There is another procedure but that involves putting the key in the door lock... which won't be of much use to you :grin:
I just tried that mate, dont seem to have worked. When press lock button the key fob when its in ignition theres nothing happening, like if you take it out and lock it, it will lock the doors and put the alarm on. Any ideas if its just about messing about with it?
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i dont think it's supposed to lock, its just part of the procedure.. key turn, click, click, key turn back.. i wonder if the missing lock barrel from the drivers door is causing issues here :undecided:
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Yeah seems like a possibility, i am going to go see a guy tommorrow who knows his stuff about it so hopefully can finally get it sorted. I rather die then pay the stupid price the VW dealer quoted me today. :laugh:
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What did Vw want to charge?
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It was £95 just to see if it maybe is the problem that i suggested, then its something else on top to actually fix the problem, so could be a figure around £200-£300+. That all depending on if they know what the problem is.
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Im just thinking it might be a cable come out, but it wouldnt make sense if it came out for both doors.
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Find a VW Independent Specialist in your area.