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Title: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: maplesyrup on 29 July 2009, 16:14
My 16v golf needs a new gearbox so I'm going to bite the bullet and buy a brand new one, a reconditioned case but with all new internals.....

Its a very solid car with a rebuilt and tuned engine putting out a fair bit more than standard hp

Has anyone fitted anything other than a standard Sachs clutch to their car?

Would it be worth fitting a Black Diamond clutch or somthing similar?

Any advice welcomed  :smiley:



Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: rubjonny on 30 July 2009, 08:30
what sort of power we talking?
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: maplesyrup on 30 July 2009, 16:05
159 bhp

It's eaten the diff rivets on the existing box so I'm looking at getting one with a bolted diff for peace of mind.

We spend time and money increasing the power and handling of near 20year old cars so stuff like this happens I guess.

Quotes I've had so far have been pretty pricey though :sad:
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: orbit48 on 30 July 2009, 17:43
how much you been quoted ?
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: Wayne on 30 July 2009, 20:34
A standard sachs clutch would cope with that.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: maplesyrup on 30 July 2009, 23:40
Between £500 and £700 depending on whether I go for a standard rebuild or all new internals and a bolted diff.

I'm tempted to try to get hold of a Quaife diff and then go for the rebuild option.....

True a sachs Clutch will cope with it no worries I've got one in there at the moment, I just wandered how much extra bite or what improvement an uprated clutch would give me, if I'm going to fit a new box with a waranty its worth putting a new clutch in.

Have you had any experience with non standard clutch's?

Jonny
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: Wayne on 31 July 2009, 00:00
Between £500 and £700 depending on whether I go for a standard rebuild or all new internals and a bolted diff.

I'm tempted to try to get hold of a Quaife diff and then go for the rebuild option.....

True a sachs Clutch will cope with it no worries I've got one in there at the moment, I just wandered how much extra bite or what improvement an uprated clutch would give me, if I'm going to fit a new box with a waranty its worth putting a new clutch in.

Have you had any experience with non standard clutch's?

Jonny

Yes most of the ones I have tried are a nightmare in traffic plus very heavy.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advice?
Post by: maplesyrup on 31 July 2009, 15:34
Thanks Wayne I think ill stick with a standard sachs clutch then.

How about Quaife diffs? Does anyone reckon they're worth having?



Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 31 July 2009, 17:03
No point unless running crazy power, or drifting.

As for performance clutches the higher spec you get, the snappier they get.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: maplesyrup on 01 August 2009, 03:02
I'll hold fire on the diff as well then........... at least until I've got enough spare cash for the 20vt engine I'd like  :smiley:
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 01 August 2009, 10:51
No point unless running crazy power, or drifting.

As for performance clutches the higher spec you get, the snappier they get.

an lsd would improve a standard powered golf! they really are great. but are best used on a track, they are a bit wasted on the public roads unless your not that attached to your license

Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Diamond Hell on 01 August 2009, 17:24
I have a CDA code cable-change gearbox with flywheel and clutch as well as the cable-clutch converter in Bristol.

£70 the lot.

Makes a lot more sense than nailing another rod-change in there.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: maplesyrup on 02 August 2009, 05:39
Thanks for the offer but I'm going to stick to my guns and put a new 02y box in.

pm me if you go to any local shows or meets we could hook up before hand.

Still tempted by an uprated diff.....

 :smiley:
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 02 August 2009, 18:04
No point unless running crazy power, or drifting.

As for performance clutches the higher spec you get, the snappier they get.

an lsd would improve a standard powered golf! they really are great. but are best used on a track, they are a bit wasted on the public roads unless your not that attached to your license




Negligable at improving the performance on the road really, Simpley put there is no point.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 02 August 2009, 19:11
more like very effective at improving the performance, but pointless using the extra performance on the road
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 02 August 2009, 21:03
So pretty much like i said then.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Diamond Hell on 02 August 2009, 21:11
If you wouldn't benefit from an LSD you aren't driving challenging enough roads fast enough in cr@ppy enough conditions in a 2WD car.

In the wet I'm confident it would let me get more power down from the Syncro - an LSD is definitely going in when I need to rebuild the gearbox.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: maplesyrup on 03 August 2009, 04:08
So do you guy's reckon an uprated diff will make alot of difference to the way my mk2 handles regardless of whether its on the road or track?

My experience of LSD's is in rear wheel drive cars only - where it enables me to put alot more power down out of corners in what is normaly a very tail happy car, and I think is a worthwhile investment.

I've fitted uprated roll bars, adjustable shocks, poly bushes, brakes and tyres to improve handling on my mk2 but won't waste money on an expensive LSD for a front wheel drive car unless it is worthwhile.

Perhaps I'll fit this gearbox, run it in, so to speak and then change the diff further down the line.
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: VeeDubGTI16v on 03 August 2009, 09:41
So pretty much like i said then.

not really  :grin:
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: Diamond Hell on 03 August 2009, 13:01
I've fitted uprated roll bars, adjustable shocks, poly bushes, brakes and tyres to improve handling on my mk2 but won't waste money on an expensive LSD for a front wheel drive car unless it is worthwhile.

Just think about the times when you've lost traction on a front-driver - what would the car have done if you'd been able to put that power down?

When I've seen FWDers with an LSD they've been very impressive through twisty stuff, but most of them have been +200bhp
Title: Re: 16v clutch advise - Qaife diff?
Post by: maplesyrup on 03 August 2009, 16:27
I'll change the box for now and do the diff at a later date.