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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: matchboy on 10 July 2009, 12:41
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hi, can anyone point me in the direction of some proper GTI tests to confirm the 0-60? I know the official line is 6.9 (after they messed up by originally putting 7.2) - is this still the case or is it quicker/slower than that? Ta!
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Depends, DSG or Manual?
Dont think there are many tests yet. All mags are quoting VW times or just putting ''under 6 secs''
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well i'm getting a manual so that's all i'm really interested in lol! under 6 seconds? that puts it in S3 territory and i can't see that - would be awesome though if that was true!!!!
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Officially, its 0-62mph in 6.9 secs. I'm sure VW are fairly conservative about their figures though.
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Some of the DSG mk5's were doing 6 sec runs standard.
Mine is 5.8 and i pull away from GTI's with not much distance (in the dry) so its probably about 6.2 or something (mk5's) so around the same for the mk6 i guess?
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also, if you want to get really technical and particular, the GTI will be a teeny smidgen slower with 18" alloys rather than 17".
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that's me slower then as i have 18's on both my mk 5 and my mk 6. obv i'm not up on all of this as i didn't realise there could be such large fluctuations, i've often thought my mk5 was quicker than 7.2 but thought i was just imagining it as just believed what VW said in their official figures. doh!
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Not if you have lower profile tyres :grin:
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that's me slower then as i have 18's on both my mk 5 and my mk 6. obv i'm not up on all of this as i didn't realise there could be such large fluctuations, i've often thought my mk5 was quicker than 7.2 but thought i was just imagining it as just believed what VW said in their official figures. doh!
I've always known VW are very relaxed with their official figures, you were right, the mk5 is going to be faster than 7.2, but with the 18 rims, you prob just lost that time back right there :grin:
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What's the point of the 18 inch wheels then?
They're less comfortable as a ride.
They slow the car down.
I agree the shadow design is quite pretty (thought not £415 worth of pretty), but you cuold just as easily use the shadow trims in a 17 inch size.
Rolfe.
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What's the point of the 18 inch wheels then?
They're less comfortable as a ride.
They slow the car down.
I agree the shadow design is quite pretty (thought not £415 worth of pretty), but you cuold just as easily use the shadow trims in a 17 inch size.
Rolfe.
For me, they look better, makes the arches less 'gappy', different from the standard alloys, and lower profile tyres on the 18's, also say you want to remap your car, you can then fit bigger brakes without changing alloys n stuff like that. I'm sure there's more, but the performance hit is very minimal, I'd only think about performance if you went from say 16" to something like 19".
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Forgot to add, better handling too. My mind is all over the place today.
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for me, i'd rather take a minimal performance loss in terms of speed and have the 18's as in my opinion along with xenons they are a must have - totally finish the car off and make it look the nuts!
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for me, i'd rather take a minimal performance loss in terms of speed and have the 18's as in my opinion along with xenons they are a must have - totally finish the car off and make it look the nuts!
Agreed one billion and a half percent.
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glad i'm not the only one - the 18s make all the difference!! are you getting a mk 6 vwkev? if so what spec you ordered?
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Oh, I'm not knocking the wheels, or the lights. They don't do anything for me, but I can see they're important to the afficionados.
Rolfe.
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i know you weren't having a go! it's all down to personal preference i suppose - for me those things are important but then i have no desire to get parking sensors or cruise control or anything like that - its what you want and find important, as its down to each of us to pay for our own car each month!!
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glad i'm not the only one - the 18s make all the difference!! are you getting a mk 6 vwkev? if so what spec you ordered?
Yes I will be ordering week after next, my spec will be 3dr manual in white, full leather, xenons, 18", rcd510 + dynaudio speakers, winter pack and luxury pack, I'm now mulling over the sunroof too.
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I've gone for the sunroof, because I really love the light it lets into the car. (People scoffed when I specified one on the Peugeot all these years ago, because of the A/C, but the A/C died nearly three years ago and the sunroof has been very handy!)
As far as sheer bling goes, it's the leather that attracts me. However, I like the cloth trim too, and I have trouble feeling the leather is worth an extra £1,675 - to me that is. This opinion is subject to change without notice, however!
These discussions are great for helping make up one's mind. The car has all those variable specs for a reason - because different people need different things, and different people like different things. The discussions help everyone decide whether each item is something they personally need or want.
Who are you ordering from, Kev? It's shame you didn't manage to snare one of the good DealDrivers prices, when you were the one who noticed the site in the first place. Or have you got someone local? (I didn't find Broadspeed any good I'm afraid, but that might have been because they weren't interested in going any further than the basics on a scrappage deal.)
Rolfe.
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0-62 in 6.9 secs as per vw stats,but like you say vw will understate the speed because not all cars will be the same performance wise,put 10 gti mk6`s on a rolling road and all will have different bhp,all you can say is it will do 0-62 in 6.9 secs or under.
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you have the same spec as me kev except i'm getting a 5 door as we have a little one! as for leather rolfe, i personally think its a lot of money however its worth it for resale value - plus when's its cold in the winter just slap those heated seats on and job done!
we had a sunroof years ago when the missus had a V5 - its v nice on a summers day i have to say!
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Depends, DSG or Manual?
Dont think there are many tests yet. All mags are quoting VW times or just putting ''under 6 secs''
No difference in DGS or Manual :wink:
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One thing about the leather - yes it looks very pretty but you need to look after it well.
The quality of the leather in the mk5 is way down on what I had on my mk4 recarros ( :drool:) I don't know if thats because the recarro leather is better quality than the 'vw' leather or that standards slipped from one mk to the other.
When I got rid of my mk4 with nearly 100k miles the seats were almost perfect.
At 40k on the mk5 the bolsters are pretty ratty looking and it just generally scuffs easily. I do condition them and all the rest of it but I fear rather than adding to the value if I leave them the way they are they will detract value.
I suspect the mk6 will have the same stuff as the mk5 so be carefull with it!
I personally would go for the cloth with winter pack.
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I've gone for the winter pack so I'll still have the heated seats even with cloth. (Look, I live nearly 800 feet up a hill in Scotland, it's a necessity!)
My Peugeot is over 11 years old and its leather seats still look great, too good for scrappage really! :cry: Durability was one reason I fancied leather in the Golf, but some of the posts in this forum are making me reconsider that.
I'm not convinced the leather seats add that much to the resale value - or the sunroof or even the ACC come to that. The DSG might, depending.
Rolfe.
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Rolfe
I agree with you about the leather, it is freezing for a minute or so even with the heated seats. (And scorching in the summer).
(And the tartan is just soooo nice.)
Resale - depends how long you keep it, leather will make a difference for the first few years. After that not really.
DSG could go either way depending on the take up. (Marmite - love it or hate it).
Please keep up your brilliant postings.
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its funny you should say about the leather on your mk4, cause on our old v5 the leather was awful and stretched ridiculously, but i've not found that on the mk5 (granted its only 2 years old compared to the v5 which was 4 years old). i personally think leather is a massive selling point but hey that's just me! once you have leather you can't go back to a cloth finish.
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Autoexpress :grin: review week before last said 0-60 6.6, 30-70 6.0 (white 3 door manual inc most the toys and on 18s)
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Autoexpress :grin: review week before last said 0-60 6.6, 30-70 6.0 (white 3 door manual inc most the toys and on 18s)
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once you have leather you can't go back to a cloth finish.
Oh yes you can. And I will.
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Autocar the other week said 6.7 sec on official test.
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autocar dont know what they are talking about half the time!
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its funny you should say about the leather on your mk4, cause on our old v5 the leather was awful and stretched ridiculously, but i've not found that on the mk5 (granted its only 2 years old compared to the v5 which was 4 years old). i personally think leather is a massive selling point but hey that's just me! once you have leather you can't go back to a cloth finish.
Mine had the genuine recarros which were changed in newer models to VW's own sports seats which is maybe what the difference was. :undecided:
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Looks like the GTI is faster than the ST anyway!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-n_nKbRI8Y
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great find!!
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Looks like the GTI is faster than the ST anyway!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-n_nKbRI8Y
Good, puts that to bed, I don;t think much of the sanitary towel anyway, gti all the way.
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Damn!
This video has been removed by the user.
I wait till after work, and for a quiet moment, and it's gone! How did that happen?
Anybody know how to find if there's another copy up somewhere?
Rolfe.
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I wouldnt worry mate, one youtube video hardly shows anything as being better anyway.
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Yes, but I still wanted to see it!
[Throws rattle out of pram.]
Rolfe.
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it was good, the so called faster st got beaten by at least half a car lengh (hey, a win's a win!!)
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it was good, the so called faster st got beaten by at least half a car lengh (hey, a win's a win!!)
Stopped quicker too, so better brakes :smiley:
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I personally would go for the cloth with winter pack.
+1. I actually prefer the retro vibe of the standard cloth to the leather...
Come resale then yes, leather is probably more desirable, but I'm not ar$ed to be honest :laugh:
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Yes, but I still wanted to see it!
[Throws rattle out of pram.]
Rolfe.
Hey Rolfe, found another vid of it. If your german is good it looks like a really good comparison of the GTI vs the ST. Also looks like the GTI handles better as the ST missed one of the cones on the slalom course and the GTI did not!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCXSL5Kv3DM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2362M_LPG4
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I can't be bothered to read back through all five pages of this thread to see if it's gone way off topic or not, and I can't remember from reading it last week 'cos I'm tired and got a headache!
Anyway down to business, Volkswagen Driver mag tested the mk6 GTI DSG for this month's issue. They recorded it at 6.5 seconds 0-60 and they are usually very realistic in their tests and as there are only two road testers at the magazine their tests are very consistant.
Go buy the mag as it's a good read. www.autometrix.co.uk
I thank you. :smiley:
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Well it feels alot faster than 0 - 62 in 6.9 secs,i`d say 6.5 is nearer the mark.
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Do you even do many 0-60 launches lol
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I,ve just got out of my gti,like i said it feels faster,nope i`d did`nt get my son to stop watch it and then produce a graph,like i said feels faster,is that a problem for you ? jules v6 ?
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I,ve just got out of my gti,like i said it feels faster,nope i`d did`nt get my son to stop watch it and then produce a graph,like i said feels faster,is that a problem for you ? jules v6 ?
Tread carefully with the mk5'ers mate, they are tempremental. :grin:
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I,ve just got out of my gti,like i said it feels faster,nope i`d did`nt get my son to stop watch it and then produce a graph,like i said feels faster,is that a problem for you ? jules v6 ?
Tread carefully with the mk5'ers mate, they are tempremental. :grin:
mk5 mafia :rolleyes:
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I,ve just got out of my gti,like i said it feels faster,nope i`d did`nt get my son to stop watch it and then produce a graph,like i said feels faster,is that a problem for you ? jules v6 ?
Tread carefully with the mk5'ers mate, they are tempremental. :grin:
mk5 mafia :rolleyes:
Jules he's on his own here, I have respect for the dom. I am in no way affiliated with Simon. :grin:
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I'd better add, before you mk6'ers start peeing yourselves with excitement, that Volkswagen Driver got 0-60 in 6.3 seconds in the mk5 DSG (200BHP) and 5.6 seconds in a manual Scirocco 2.0 TSI. They managed to get a mk5 200bhp manual to 60 in 6.0 dead and and ED30 DSG to 60 in 5.9
Same test drivers probably done on the same track.
I'll also add that anyone who actually tries magazine style 0-60s in their own car is insane!!! They rev the nuts off the thing and shift gear with the brutality of a seal clubber. And seriously, can you really tell differences of tenths of a second in a brand new tight car?
It's the in gear times that is of far more interest to me as it's real world stuff. Volkswagen Driver mag again tested the mk5 as quicker (just).
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Basically take no notice what so ever of the times they quote,After all why would vw know more about the 0 - 62 speeds than a magazine ?,you`d think v.w would know if the 200 bhp tsi rocco was quicker than the 210 bhp gti,and by such a massive margin :undecided: 0 - 62 in 5.6 secs when quoted at 7.2 i don`t think so,if this is true then vw engineering needs sacking that is a massive difference.
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Don't lose too much faith in the blokes in leather shorts. VW will quote a conservative average sort of figure to the 0-100kmh mark (0-62.5 mph) using set guidelines such as half payload etc.
Hence when Mr Magazine Tester arrives at the test track with his expensive bit of measuring equipment and gets in the VW UK Press Office car with not very many miles on the clock, he then proceeds to rev the wedding tackle off the car, side steps the clutch and power shifts up through the box to get the best possible time. He will very often beat VWs conservative figure quite easily.
How many owners will do this? Not many with a brain. VW will have to err on the conservative as A) they're German and that's the way they do things and B) they don't want to be sued by a disgruntled customer base who decide their car isn't performing as advertised.
You can read into road test figures however you chose. I like to put a bit of trust in Volkswagen Driver mag as it is a VW specific publication and I've been reading it for over 20 years (it wasn't always called VW Driver mag though) and they have more or less the same staff so the tests are consistant over the years I'd hope. They often admit that sometimes the car is a good one and sometimes not. Cars are mass produced so they do get a few that underperform a little and are quick to point that out. Don't forget they are just using VW Press Office cars that are highly specced normally and have very low mileage. A well worn in and sympathetically driven one may perform even better again.
In fact I'll have a quick word with the editor on Saturday at their trackday if I can track him down for a minute or two.
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Let's face it, we're a competitive bunch, wouldn't buy a GTI if we weren't a reckon. So for the mkvi to be slower than its predecessor is disappointing. 0.2 is not a lot of course, but when you're shelling out on a new car its 0.2 in the wrong direction.
Ignoring comparisons for a bit, I note that the 0-60 in 6.5 seconds was for a dsg car. Per the mkv, they got the manual car around quicker by 0.2 seconds. Does that suggest the manual mkvi is a 6.2 second car?
Competitive? Me? Never!!
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Again this all comes down to who thinks they have the biggest cock. Really, does it matter who has the fastest ? I've never understood people who think their car must be better because its faster, if we all wanted the fastest cars then we wouldnt buy GTI's.
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agreed, if you wanted to have the fastest car you would go buy a clio cup for example. but you wouldn't because you aren't a spotty 17 year old chav who thinks its all about speed and nothing else.
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A clio cup? They are piss slow :laugh:
I,ve just got out of my gti,like i said it feels faster,nope i`d did`nt get my son to stop watch it and then produce a graph,like i said feels faster,is that a problem for you ? jules v6 ?
Bloody hell, were you drunk? Looks like it was written by a monkey with slabs of meat for fists :undecided:
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Cheers oracle
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Always difficult to compare 0-60mph times especially when done on different days, different cars, drivers, weather conditions, tyre pressure etc, etc.
I'm new to the scene and bought VW Driver magazine for the first time today, what a superb read that is! However, I can't believe they tested a Mk5 Gti at 6secs dead! Was that with a 90mph tail-wind? :wink:
However, back on topic, yes VW Driver mag claim 6.5 for the Mk6 (DSG) with a further test to follow for the manual.
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Hi Helios (favourite mk1 colour or mine),
Maybe VW fettled some of the launch mk5 GTIs? I have test driven a few and some are definately quicker than others. Mines not one of the quicker ones!!! The one I test drove before mine was definately a bit snappier off the line. Both were standard cars at the time.
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will have to check it out at the local library - sorry i mean Smiths.
I'm sceptical of these one make mags though, seem to be too biased to be able to draw any useful views
that said, experience from this forum has proven that the harshest critics are those from within the same family (i.e. MkV owners!)
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Hi Helios (favourite mk1 colour or mine),
Maybe VW fettled some of the launch mk5 GTIs? I have test driven a few and some are definately quicker than others. Mines not one of the quicker ones!!! The one I test drove before mine was definately a bit snappier off the line. Both were standard cars at the time.
I've heard that its common practise for press cars to be tweaked a bit from standard. Nothing dramatic but the cars will be fettled a little to make them more review friendly. After the first year VW removed a lot of nice little touches (like blue tinted glass, rear screen radio aerial, standard 10 speaker sound system etc) from the mk5's as a cost cutting excercise. Call me cynical but I suspect the mk6 will have some refinements removed after the first year of production (journo's won't be interested in them by then).
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if thats the case, then the current MkVI press cars should be comparable to the MkV press cars tested. i.e. MkV still quicker.
i'm not that fussed..... honest..... i can always chip it..... sob sob
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Have I missed something here, the mk5 is quicker than the mk6 now ?
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News to me.
Rolfe.
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News to me.
Rolfe.
Me 2.
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Edition 30 and Pirelli are faster I believe but the normal mk5 is no way faster!!!
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I'd better add, before you mk6'ers start peeing yourselves with excitement, that Volkswagen Driver got 0-60 in 6.3 seconds in the mk5 DSG (200BHP) and 5.6 seconds in a manual Scirocco 2.0 TSI. They managed to get a mk5 200bhp manual to 60 in 6.0 dead and and ED30 DSG to 60 in 5.9
Same test drivers probably done on the same track.
I'll also add that anyone who actually tries magazine style 0-60s in their own car is insane!!! They rev the nuts off the thing and shift gear with the brutality of a seal clubber. And seriously, can you really tell differences of tenths of a second in a brand new tight car?
It's the in gear times that is of far more interest to me as it's real world stuff. Volkswagen Driver mag again tested the mk5 as quicker (just).
Apparently per VW driver, the Mk5 is faster than the Mk6 by abot 0.2 secs to 60mph.
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I'd better add, before you mk6'ers start peeing yourselves with excitement, that Volkswagen Driver got 0-60 in 6.3 seconds in the mk5 DSG (200BHP) and 5.6 seconds in a manual Scirocco 2.0 TSI. They managed to get a mk5 200bhp manual to 60 in 6.0 dead and and ED30 DSG to 60 in 5.9
Same test drivers probably done on the same track.
I'll also add that anyone who actually tries magazine style 0-60s in their own car is insane!!! They rev the nuts off the thing and shift gear with the brutality of a seal clubber. And seriously, can you really tell differences of tenths of a second in a brand new tight car?
It's the in gear times that is of far more interest to me as it's real world stuff. Volkswagen Driver mag again tested the mk5 as quicker (just).
Apparently per VW driver, the Mk5 is faster than the Mk6 by abot 0.2 secs to 60mph.
Cool, what did they get when they done the same with the mk6 ?
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DSG MkV does 0-60 in 6.3 secs. DSG MkVI does it in 6.5.
No figures for the manual MkVI yet, but the man MkV did it in 6.0 secs.
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DSG MkV does 0-60 in 6.3 secs. DSG MkVI does it in 6.5.
No figures for the manual MkVI yet, but the man MkV did it in 6.0 secs.
Let me get this right...He tested the following cars that same day and got the following scores ?...
DSG mk5 - 6.3 secs
DSG mk6 - 6.5 secs
DSG ED30 - 5.9 secs
MAN mk5 - 6.0 secs
MAN Scirocco - 5.6 secs
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Err, no you didn't get it right!
To save you reading back through the thread, these are the road test figures from when the cars were tested by the magazine over the years.
They will all have been a similar age and had similar mileages. What is good to see is that they all have similar power and torque, weigh similar amounts and thus have similar performance. Small variables in the times are accounted for by weather differences and production tolerances between different cars. The fly in the ointment is the Scirocco which the editor raved about in his review so must have been a very good one or VW may have played with it a little. We'll never know.
So for the mk6, if VW quote 6.9 secs to 62.5 mph, then their test of 6.5 secs to 60 is bang on the nail really.
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The manual mk5 is not quicker than the DSG
Here is the fastest manual shifter on the planet in a manual MK5 gti vs a DSG MK5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmMNRQ1GJ3o
Think those tests are bull. I would wait for evo to do some tests as they are usually spot on :wink:
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How do you know he is the fastest shifter on the planet, have you timed them all? Pray do enlighten us oh mighty oracle :rolleyes:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiichi_Tsuchiya
Knock yourself out.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tsuchiya+keiichi&search_type=&aq=0&oq=tsuchiya+k
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And wiki is full of hard facts.....??? :grin:
Now, obviously Jules is an expert in these fields and I'm not, merely a customer. But having seen how road testers get their best 0-60 times I can see how they can get a manual to 60 quicker than a DSG.
Either way, it's a pretty irrelevant figure anyway and I'm sure no sane individual would ever drive a car they bought with their own money that way (obviously company and lease cars don't count!!!), so would have to agree that your average joe would be able to do the 0-60 thingy better in a DSG using the launch control.
And on that note, I'm outta here before it turns into another pointless argument about meaningless crap. :evil:
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The facts that are in the wiki page are just that. The information is quite often subjective but his racing credentials, and the fact he is regarded as the best drifter in the world, would back up how fast he can shift.
Popular pages (such as his) are well moderated on wiki!
To be honest the vids speak for themselves, half of them show his foot work!
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I'm not taking the bait as I'm outta here......howver......he's wearing marigolds....no wonder the auto was quicker, you ever tried driving in marigolds?
No me neither, but you get my drift (geddit?) :kiss:
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Not expecting any come back. My posts were rhetorical.
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Mine too as I don't care either way, I was going for (poor) humour, as ever. :smiley:
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:grin:
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Jules, are you going to email VW and tell them that their times posted for the Manual's & DSG's that they are wrong and that you know because you have proof from wiki and youtube ?
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Jules, are you going to email VW and tell them that their times posted for the Manual's & DSG's that they are wrong and that you know because you have proof from wiki and youtube ?
Don`t argue with the oracle,he will shoot you with his paint ball gun :smiley:
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Jules, are you going to email VW and tell them that their times posted for the Manual's & DSG's that they are wrong and that you know because you have proof from wiki and youtube ?
Its well known they are wrong mate as far as the mk5 goes. Every mag or event that has tested them shows this so no need :wink:
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Don`t argue with the oracle,he will shoot you with his paint ball gun :smiley:
Wouldnt stand a chance against you mate, you look like a pro
(http://netwrok.us/stuff/dont-worry-sir-im-from-the-internet.jpg)
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:laugh: