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Title: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 01 July 2009, 21:56
Anyone heard of the price increase to the whole of the VW range by 3%.

While I was checking out prices for the GTI one salesman who was trying his hardest to get me to buy from him (and he was a bit of a c0ck) told me that there will be a price increase in September.

I took what he said with a pinch of salt as he was trying for the hard sell.  Then I was going to ask the salesman who I did order from if his was true but forgot.

Any of you guys heard anything??
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 01 July 2009, 22:02
Not heard anything, but I wouldnt put it past VW to do that.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Horney on 01 July 2009, 22:29
Ford have put their prices up and I think Vauxhall have to.

nick
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: neo66 on 02 July 2009, 12:13
Ever since this scrapage allowance has come into effect! Ford's is 4% I think.
Just another con!.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gossa on 02 July 2009, 17:28
In theory, the £ has appreciated in value in recent months so anything being imported should be cheaper.

I own a bike shop and when the VAT was decreased some of my suppliers just increased their prices to keep sensible price points.

We all get shafted in the UK.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 03 July 2009, 20:00
Seems like thy are going to increase for september, they are talking about it over in scirocco central http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2255 (http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2255)

Glad I ordered mine now.  And just think when VAT goes back to normal.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Snoopy on 04 July 2009, 15:24
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: R32UK on 04 July 2009, 15:29
Seems like thy are going to increase for september, they are talking about it over in scirocco central http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2255 (http://www.sciroccocentral.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2255)

Glad I ordered mine now.  And just think when VAT goes back to normal.

lol! i think you fill find that normal will be 20% as it was supposed to go up to before the economic downturn kicked in :huh: :nerd:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 04 July 2009, 16:20
It will goto 17.5 when back to normal, the economy has not recovered and the risk of us not spending is too great a risk to put it to something like 20%.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 04 July 2009, 17:01
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will not be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 04 July 2009, 22:29
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate

So if you order now, at a price agreed, and put down a deposit, they will then charge you the extra later on ? Erm, hardly.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 05 July 2009, 01:03
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate

So if you order now, at a price agreed, and put down a deposit, they will then charge you the extra later on ? Erm, hardly.

Erm, typo.  sorry should have checked
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 12:38
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate

So if you order now, at a price agreed, and put down a deposit, they will then charge you the extra later on ? Erm, hardly.

I just had a call from my dealer.  He said the prices are going up on 1st September, and the only way not to get hit by that was to have the finance in place (that is, pony up the cash) by 31st August.  Otherwise there is a chance of being hit by the price increase.

I've got build week 35, which is 24th August, so my car should be along in early September anyway.  It's no skin off my nose to get the financial ducks in a line a couple of weeks early, and at least he's given me plenty of notice to let me do that.

I thought you guys might appreciate a heads-up.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: neilgcal on 29 July 2009, 12:52
Did they say how much prices were going up????
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 12:53
He did but I forgot.

Was it 3%?  Don't quote me on that.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 13:00
so to clarify, if you have ordered and put down a deposit then you won't get affected by the price increase?
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 13:28
so to clarify, if you have ordered and put down a deposit then you won't get affected by the price increase?

NO!  WRONG!!

That's what I thought, but I ordered and paid a deposit (of £500) on 8th July.

I took a call this morning from my dealer saying that in order to avoid the price increase, I had to pay in full by 31st August.

I imagine anyone looking for a September delivery would be well advised to do that.

Rolfe
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 14:04
that's bang out of order, my car is not coming till earliest sep 1st, and my finance has been agreed but i've just paid the initial £500 holding deposit - i'm not paying another 3% or they can shove it!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 14:12
right, lets nip this in the bud.  if you have ordered your car now/recently/in may whatever, you will NOT be party to the 3% price increase.  just spoken to my dealer.  its only if you go and order one on or after 1st september.  so you don't need to sort your finance out now if you ordered in say july and are expecting a september delivery as stated previously.  hope that helps.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: neilgcal on 29 July 2009, 14:24
Thought that would have to be the case!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 14:27
yup, i think some people just like to scaremonger.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 15:58
I agree, that's what I thought would be the case.

Only my dealer phoned to  say, get the finance ready for 31st August, or you might (not sure if he said will) be hit with the increase.

It's only a week or two, I'm not that bothered.  But we really need to get it clarified.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 16:16
i have all ready clarified it.  your dealer is talking complete b0llocks, anyone who has ordered and placed a deposit before 1st september 2009 will not be liable for the 3% increase.

unless of course you are not getting the 18s in which case you deserve to be hit with the increase  :grin:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 16:19
Well, your dealer says one thing and mine says another.  Instinctively, I feel your dealer ought to be right.  However, I'd like to hear it from VW.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 29 July 2009, 16:34
fair enough, but I trust my dealer.  it sounds like yours is trying to stiff you!!  plus its common sense that if you have all ready agreed a price and paid a deposit they can't go and change it after the event!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 29 July 2009, 17:24
I doubt if he's trying to stiff me - what does he gain from getting the money two weeks early?  Interest rates are crap.  He may however be mistaken, or simply concerned to cover his backside just in case.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: R32UK on 29 July 2009, 17:51
I doubt if he's trying to stiff me - what does he gain from getting the money two weeks early?  Interest rates are crap.  He may however be mistaken, or simply concerned to cover his backside just in case.

Rolfe.

Targets  :wink:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 29 July 2009, 19:33
I think your right there
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: simonpolly on 30 July 2009, 15:40
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.
I doubt if that is legal,you agree a price and sign a contract,i

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate

So if you order now, at a price agreed, and put down a deposit, they will then charge you the extra later on ? Erm, hardly.

I just had a call from my dealer.  He said the prices are going up on 1st September, and the only way not to get hit by that was to have the finance in place (that is, pony up the cash) by 31st August.  Otherwise there is a chance of being hit by the price increase.

I've got build week 35, which is 24th August, so my car should be along in early September anyway.  It's no skin off my nose to get the financial ducks in a line a couple of weeks early, and at least he's given me plenty of notice to let me do that.

I thought you guys might appreciate a heads-up.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 30 July 2009, 15:48
why did you post loads of old quotes?!?! :laugh:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: dubcruiser on 30 July 2009, 19:34
I doubt if he's trying to stiff me - what does he gain from getting the money two weeks early?  Interest rates are crap.  He may however be mistaken, or simply concerned to cover his backside just in case.

Rolfe.

Targets  :wink:

You wouldn't believe what dealerships will do to meet targets let alone what the brand themselves will do!!!  :shocked:

Oh and just for the record, VW increase there prices every 6 months generally, just in time for the plate changes!!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: oldboyracer on 30 July 2009, 20:13
Just read the small print on my contract:

"In the event of the retail price being increased the Purchaser agrees to pay the seller the amount of the addition or additions to such retail price, unless, within 14 days after receipt of such notice, he give notice to the Seller that he declines to do so, in which case the Seller shall have the option, by notice in writing to the Purchaser, to cancel this contract, and the deposit shall be returned to the Purchaser."

So there ya go!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 30 July 2009, 20:23
Hah!  I haven't got a written contract, I sealed the deal over the phone.  Sounds as if my dealer might have been right, and was giving me early warning of how to get round it.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 31 July 2009, 09:24
I have just spoken to my dealer and he has confirmed that there will be price increase of 3% in September but my car that is due in September will not be affected because its price protected.  I ordered in June and I dont have to pay the remaining balance until I take delivery of the car
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 31 July 2009, 11:20
Sounds as if different people have slightly different deals.  Makes sense for everyone expecting a September delivery to check with their own dealer.

From my point of view, paying up a couple of weeks early is no skin off my nose, and even if it is as much to help the dealer with his quota then I'm not bothered.  I got such a sweet deal from that garage that this would be a petty quibble.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Zico on 31 July 2009, 21:11
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 31 July 2009, 21:54
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

Ive got myself a bargain then  :grin:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 31 July 2009, 21:55
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: dubcruiser on 01 August 2009, 19:31
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:

It is the 1st Dec as it stands now... They want it delayed until the 31st Dec to aid Christmas trading...
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 01 August 2009, 20:54
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:

It is the 1st Dec as it stands now... They want it delayed until the 31st Dec to aid Christmas trading...

Weird, the Bank of England is one of our clients, I'll send them a memo on Monday to advise that dubcruiser knows better.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: jdjd on 01 August 2009, 20:56
If they try and charge me extra on a car for a price increase in september, When they told me delivery was 30th July ill just straight cancel and have my deposit back, Pure and simple
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: gc76 on 01 August 2009, 21:13
If they try and charge me extra on a car for a price increase in september, When they told me delivery was 30th July ill just straight cancel and have my deposit back, Pure and simple

'Clam down dear' 

They wont be charging you anything extra.  If your worried give your dealer a call
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: dubcruiser on 02 August 2009, 09:02
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:

It is the 1st Dec as it stands now... They want it delayed until the 31st Dec to aid Christmas trading...

Weird, the Bank of England is one of our clients, I'll send them a memo on Monday to advise that dubcruiser knows better.

If you could Kev that would be great!  :wink: Considering you don't know what I do for a living we will have to wait and see!
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: oldboyracer on 11 August 2009, 19:43
Hi,
I spoke to my dealer today, first time since I ordered my car at end of June.
He had a look on his PC and said it would probably be here 3rd week in September.
He also confirmed that there will be a price increase on 1st Sept. but it won't affect my order.
I've tried to stay calm and dignified (at my age) but sod it I'm starting to get exited now, can't wait to get my new baby. :smiley:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWmaindealer on 15 August 2009, 15:56
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 15 August 2009, 17:27
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

When you get a quote for a car and you agree on this quote handing over a deposit, that is legally binding, there is no way on earth that should any price rise wither it be the car's price or VAT being added will anyone have to pay the extra.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Snoopy on 15 August 2009, 18:43
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/bud_bud09_press02.htm
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 15 August 2009, 21:18
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

Thank you very much indeed, that's good to know.

I may just pony up the money anyway, because I expect the car no more than 2 or 3 weeks into September and the salesman has given me such a good deal it seems churlish to quibble.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: ub7rm on 15 August 2009, 21:28
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

When you get a quote for a car and you agree on this quote handing over a deposit, that is legally binding, there is no way on earth that should any price rise wither it be the car's price or VAT being added will anyone have to pay the extra.

When I get my car tax reminder it says I owe £2xx.00.  Invariably when I go and buy my tax, I end up paying more as my renewal pretty much coincides with the budget increase day.

My employment contract says I get £xxk salary.  Yet the government can increase my tax and I get paid less.

The tax man does as he pleases.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWKev on 15 August 2009, 22:26
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

When you get a quote for a car and you agree on this quote handing over a deposit, that is legally binding, there is no way on earth that should any price rise wither it be the car's price or VAT being added will anyone have to pay the extra.

When I get my car tax reminder it says I owe £2xx.00.  Invariably when I go and buy my tax, I end up paying more as my renewal pretty much coincides with the budget increase day.

My employment contract says I get £xxk salary.  Yet the government can increase my tax and I get paid less.

The tax man does as he pleases.

If you buy your car on the 31st Dec you WONT pay the extra 2.5% VAT increase regardless of when you pick the car up even if its in March before you get it. The price agreed is the price you pay from day one. Frankly its bloody laughable to suggest otherwise.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: ub7rm on 15 August 2009, 22:48
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

When you get a quote for a car and you agree on this quote handing over a deposit, that is legally binding, there is no way on earth that should any price rise wither it be the car's price or VAT being added will anyone have to pay the extra.

When I get my car tax reminder it says I owe £2xx.00.  Invariably when I go and buy my tax, I end up paying more as my renewal pretty much coincides with the budget increase day.

My employment contract says I get £xxk salary.  Yet the government can increase my tax and I get paid less.

The tax man does as he pleases.

If you buy your car on the 31st Dec you WONT pay the extra 2.5% VAT increase regardless of when you pick the car up even if its in March before you get it. The price agreed is the price you pay from day one. Frankly its bloody laughable to suggest otherwise.

I suspect it comes down to the contract and the actual date you take title.  Most invoices state a tax date (the day the invoice is issued usually).  The tax you pay will be the tax effective on that day regardless of subsequent changes in tax law.  If VW don't issue the invoice until the day you take delivery, you will obligated to pay whatever rate of tax is in effect on that date.  I'm willing to bet there is a clause somewhere in the small print of your contract stating that VW are not responsible for any changes in the taxation effective on the sale, in fact its probably a pretty broad statement about any general change in the law.

VW's internal price rises are a different matter.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: keelaw on 16 August 2009, 22:04
V.A.T. will increase to 17.5% on the 1st Dec too just to add to the misery.  :undecided:

31st Dec.  :wink:
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/bud_bud09_press02.htm



i.e. 1 Jan!  so you're all wrong!

Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWmaindealer on 17 August 2009, 13:15

[/quote]

I suspect it comes down to the contract and the actual date you take title.  Most invoices state a tax date (the day the invoice is issued usually).  The tax you pay will be the tax effective on that day regardless of subsequent changes in tax law.  If VW don't issue the invoice until the day you take delivery, you will obligated to pay whatever rate of tax is in effect on that date.  I'm willing to bet there is a clause somewhere in the small print of your contract stating that VW are not responsible for any changes in the taxation effective on the sale, in fact its probably a pretty broad statement about any general change in the law.

VW's internal price rises are a different matter.
[/quote]

Exactly, I can't imagine any dealer (or many businesses for that matter) who don't have "VAT at prevailing rate" somewhere in the small print.

Don't forget, the price of the car isn't changing. That's the contract you have (that's what is price protected against VW price increases). It's the amount of tax the government is charging you that is changing. It cannot be fair to try and suggest the dealer will pay your VAT for you?

VWKev - I'm sorry mate, but I think you are wrong. If you order a car on the 31st December, you will get it in March/April so you will pay the new VAT.  As far as I can tell , the only exception to this would be if it was a physical car in the dealers stock that the dealer had already paid for so could therefore invoice to you prior to the VAT increase.

As and when Volkswagen give us information closer to the end of the year, I will be sure to post it up on here.

Cheers
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: matchboy on 17 August 2009, 13:41
this is easy enough to clarify.  you will get charged VAT at the invoice date.  that's it.  if you're worried about the VAT going back up to 17.5% then make sure you sort everything out before this happens.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: VWmaindealer on 29 August 2009, 09:20
PRICE INCREASE UPDATE.

VW announced last night to us that we now have until 10:30am Tuesday for price protection. This is due to potential downtime of our ordering system over the bank holiday.

If anyone was rushing to a dealer to order one today to save 3.2%, you can still think about it over the weekend as long as you call your dealer first thing Tuesday morning.

VWmd
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 30 August 2009, 22:14
Does not seem long since they put prices up.  :sad:
If you order now and have to wait do you get it at old price? or have to pay the rise? Im guessing you state that and get it in writing at time of order.

If you order now you will be charged the price increase.  I can remember in Feb sometime my local dealer sent out a letter informing of a price increase and if I were to order a new car before a certain date then I wouldn't have to pay the new price.

I still find it hard to believe that they are increasing prices in the current climate

So if you order now, at a price agreed, and put down a deposit, they will then charge you the extra later on ? Erm, hardly.

I just had a call from my dealer.  He said the prices are going up on 1st September, and the only way not to get hit by that was to have the finance in place (that is, pony up the cash) by 31st August.  Otherwise there is a chance of being hit by the price increase.

I've got build week 35, which is 24th August, so my car should be along in early September anyway.  It's no skin off my nose to get the financial ducks in a line a couple of weeks early, and at least he's given me plenty of notice to let me do that.

I thought you guys might appreciate a heads-up.

Rolfe.

Rolfe, they can NOT legally charge you more than the price stated on your new car order form.  The Sale of Goods Act enshrines this.  If they ask you for more money than was agreed on the order form, speak to www.ConsumerDirect.gov.uk
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 30 August 2009, 22:18
Just read the small print on my contract:

"In the event of the retail price being increased the Purchaser agrees to pay the seller the amount of the addition or additions to such retail price, unless, within 14 days after receipt of such notice, he give notice to the Seller that he declines to do so, in which case the Seller shall have the option, by notice in writing to the Purchaser, to cancel this contract, and the deposit shall be returned to the Purchaser."

So there ya go!

That is an UNLAWFUL contract term.  If they try and enforce that - just forward that bit to:

The Unfair Contracts Terms Unit
The Office of Fair Trading

(Get their full address from www.oft.gov.uk)
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 30 August 2009, 22:26
This is gospel.

Any orders placed (by this I mean the car has to be ordered by the dealer on our system) by the 31st August will be price protected irrespective of when the vehicle is delivered.

They will not however be price protected against VAT as this is out of the control of the retailer/Volkswagen.

The price increase is 3.2% on Golf but this will only affect anyone ordering on the 1st September onwards.

Paying in full by the 31st August is nonsense. It won't be for target purposes though as the sale doesn't count until it's registered (assuming you are waiting for a 59 plate). It's more likely to do with cash flow. Some dealers have a policy that you need to pay in full three or four days before delivery, that may be the case for those of you taking your cars in the first week of Sept.

In my experience, these confusions tend to happen when the sales manager hasn't fully explained to the sales people and they assume/exagerate/cover their ar$es with customers. :lipsrsealed:

Hope this helps

When you get a quote for a car and you agree on this quote handing over a deposit, that is legally binding, there is no way on earth that should any price rise wither it be the car's price or VAT being added will anyone have to pay the extra.

When I get my car tax reminder it says I owe £2xx.00.  Invariably when I go and buy my tax, I end up paying more as my renewal pretty much coincides with the budget increase day.

My employment contract says I get £xxk salary.  Yet the government can increase my tax and I get paid less.

The tax man does as he pleases.

If you buy your car on the 31st Dec you WONT pay the extra 2.5% VAT increase regardless of when you pick the car up even if its in March before you get it. The price agreed is the price you pay from day one. Frankly its bloody laughable to suggest otherwise.

Nope.  Changes in Taxation rates are exempt from any price protection - and this has always been the case.

So if VW puts up the price, you are protected - but if that jock tw@t (who's carpet don't match his curtains - wierd bloke) puts up VAT or road fund licence, then you have to cough up.


Ohh, sorry - I don't dislike Scots in general, just the two fcukers who live in Downing Street.  :wink:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 30 August 2009, 22:41
Rolfe, they can NOT legally charge you more than the price stated on your new car order form.  The Sale of Goods Act enshrines this.  If they ask you for more money than was agreed on the order form, speak to www.ConsumerDirect.gov.uk

Mmmm, but for some reason, I never got an order form.  I accepted their quote over the phone, and never got anything in writing.

Now you come to mention it, it's a little odd.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 30 August 2009, 23:13
Rolfe, they can NOT legally charge you more than the price stated on your new car order form.  The Sale of Goods Act enshrines this.  If they ask you for more money than was agreed on the order form, speak to www.ConsumerDirect.gov.uk

Mmmm, but for some reason, I never got an order form.  I accepted their quote over the phone, and never got anything in writing.

Now you come to mention it, it's a little odd.

Rolfe.

That sounds really fishy!  :huh:  Whilst there is nothing wrong with doing an order over the fone, once they confirm the order by taking your deposit, they must send you through the post 'your copy' of the order form.  I suggest you speak to your local Trading Standards, or Consumer Direct if it applies in Scotland.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 30 August 2009, 23:42
I wonder if something just got lost?  We're not talking about any fly-by-night outfit here, this is Verve in Bogside, which used to be Ian Skelly, and has been there as long as I can remember - my mother bought her Polo there some time in the 1980s.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 31 August 2009, 19:40
Just spoke to the dealer this afternoon, and before I opened my mouth he said, sorry, his mistake, so long as the car is locked in the system by 1st September, no price shenanigans.  (I'd already shunted some money into my current account so I could have paid him, but he said no, don't bother, keep it till you take delivery.)

I mentioned paperwork, and he said he hadn't sent anything on, he'd just filed it all at the dealership.

Then we had a chat about SCO number plates and stuff.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: p3asa on 31 August 2009, 19:50
Rolfe were you given a delivery date considering your car should have been built last week?
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 31 August 2009, 20:45
The dealer offered to log on to the system to see what it said, but I was anxious to get home at the time, and the dealer is very busy because of all the 59 plate cars being picked up tomorrow, so I said not to bother.

I'm going on a Mediterranean cruise for a week, starting 8th September, and since the car is unlikely to show its face before then, I'm quite content to see where we've got to when I get back.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: p3asa on 31 August 2009, 21:10
Your off your head  :laugh:
VW seem to be a bit ahead of themselves, it could be arriving any day and you could have it before you go away.
My biggest worry is something happens to my trade in before I actually trade it in, like my timing belt going and costing me a fortune. So on that alone I'm keen to get my car  :wink:
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: Rolfe on 31 August 2009, 21:18
Au contraire, I'm off to Knockhill tomorrow morning to do their "performance car" driving course in my scrappage deal.

Reasoning being, if I damage a tyre or sprain its bumper or something, well, who cares?  And I'd like to do the tuition in a manual, just for the experience, so this is my last chance on that one.  And if I actually enjoy it, as opposed to scaring myself witless, and it turns out it's not really bad for the car, then I can have another go in the spring, when the Golf is properly run-in and hopefully I've got the hang of the DSG.

Might be interesting to see what 120,000 miles-on-the-clock pushing 12-years-old Peugeot can still manage.

Rolfe.
Title: Re: Price Increase
Post by: rjwojcik on 31 August 2009, 23:11
Enjoy the cruise and let us know how you get on, on the performance car course.