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Model specific boards => Golf mk6 => Topic started by: Gung-Ho on 26 June 2009, 00:08
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Picked up my car last week and noticed they came with a set of Continental Sport Contact 2's (funny enough the same standard tyres that came with my Focus ST). However, I've noticed that tyre choice varies from one car to another. I've noticed that some Mk 6 GTi's come delivered with the slightly newer Continental Sport Contact 3, whilst others come delivered with Dunlop SP Sport Maxx or Michelin Pilot Sport 2's.
Is it a case of luck of the draw? I would have thought that they would have chosen a standardized tyre.... the tyre choice being so critical to the ride and handling of the car?
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
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i think mine came with Bridgestones, will check later
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i think mine came with Bridgestones, will check later
My GTI came with Bridgestones. I replaced the fronts with Goodyear Eagle F1's. The Bridgestones were just as good as the F1's, infact they were better when cold, the F1's need some warmth in the tyre.
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i think mine came with Bridgestones, will check later
My GTI came with Bridgestones. I replaced the fronts with Goodyear Eagle F1's. The Bridgestones were just as good as the F1's, infact they were better when cold, the F1's need some warmth in the tyre.
You mean you replaced them once the Goodyears were worn ?
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just reading thread use to have conti 2"s on my r32 and thet were shyte, you wouldnt thought the car was 4 wheel drive. i now have a edition 30 with sport max and i dont think they are as bad as people are making out. i think vw shouldnt fit old design tyres to the new gti mk 6.
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just reading thread use to have conti 2"s on my r32 and thet were shyte, you wouldnt thought the car was 4 wheel drive. i now have a edition 30 with sport max and i dont think they are as bad as people are making out. i think vw shouldnt fit old design tyres to the new gti mk 6.
trust me i have had both the F1's and the sportmaxx.... they are miles and miles apart in terms of performance. each to their own though i guess. :smiley:
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I've ended up with the Dunlops, they don't feel bad in comparison to the Pirellis on the Scirocco.
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Try www.mytyres.co.uk & have a look at the vredestein sessanta.
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Try www.mytyres.co.uk & have a look at the vredestein sessanta.
ok and?
they seem kinda cheap... at 90 odd quid, look ok, but hows the drive?
I've not heard of this brand before, are they supposed to be any good?
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they have had very good reviews from people who have had them on their mk5's. did very well in the evo tyre test also.
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Try www.mytyres.co.uk & have a look at the vredestein sessanta.
ok and?
they seem kinda cheap... at 90 odd quid, look ok, but hows the drive?
I've not heard of this brand before, are they supposed to be any good?.........i got 4 about 5 weeks ago for my edition 30 alloys & for the money they are great,grip well in the wet & are perfect in the dry.And as other posts have done very well in test's.
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Hi all, I have the Continental Sport Contact 3s... road noise rather loud but no problems with the grip on dry or very wet. Seems fine, feel like the car is planted at speeds up to 120 - 130 km/h... And I have included a picture of it below. Sorry for it being dirty... Will do a thorough cleaning this weekend.
(http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae63/karakaeda/DSC01918.jpg)
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Saw mine today, It arrived at dealers this morning. Ive been mugged off with the dunlops lol, Raised a point and basically salesmen told me he carn't do anything with them as they are used tyres And carn't take them back.... I went on to say I aint even driven the car...
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I've ended up with the Dunlops, they don't feel bad in comparison to the Pirellis on the Scirocco.
Pirellis are both extremely shyte and very dangerous. I had P-Zero Rossos as factory fit on my RS4 - and had to ditch them after 4k miles. They really are lethal. Many other RS4 owners complained about them too.
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I've ended up with the Dunlops, they don't feel bad in comparison to the Pirellis on the Scirocco.
Pirellis are both extremely shyte and very dangerous. I had P-Zero Rossos as factory fit on my RS4 - and had to ditch them after 4k miles. They really are lethal. Many other RS4 owners complained about them too.
thats a pretty broad statement. which pirellis in particular are you referring to? Golf put out a special edition for goodness sake!
edit: i'm clearly pretty sleepy this morning!
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I had P Zero Rosso's on my Scirocco and my A4 and they were good tyres if a bit soft so wear quite quickly. I have the Dunlops on the golf and despite the criticisms of them I can't fault them at all.
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Dunlop SP Sport Maxx: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Dunlop/SP-Sport-Maxx.htm
Pirelli P-Zero Rosso: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Pirelli/PZero-Rosso.htm
Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Vredestein/Ultrac-Sessanta.htm
Continental Sport Contact 2: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-2.htm
Continental Sport Contact 3: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Continental/Sport-Contact-3.htm
Michelin Pilot Sport PS2: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-PS2.htm
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
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Which? Magazine test results:
Michelin Pilot Sport PS 2 - 73% (Class leader for dry braking and dry handling)
Continental SportContact 3 - 70% (Class leader for dry braking and dry handling)
Bridgestone Potenza RE050 A - 68% (Class leader for dry braking and dry handling)
BFGoodrich G-Force Profiler - 68% (Pros: Class leader for dry braking and dry handling; Cons: Slightly noisier than others in this size. Hard to find)
They're all actually very close. I dont think it's worth worrying about.
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
Thats what we all thought until we changed them for a better tyre :grin:
Unless of course the "SP" are a newer version of the sportmaxx.... Cant remember exactly which ones I had, but they really were pi$$ poor compared to the Eagle F1 Assyms I have now. :nerd:
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
Thats what we all thought until we changed them for a better tyre :grin:
Very true. I think a big part of the problem with them is their performace drops off dramatically as they wear, more so than most other tyres.
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
Thats what we all thought until we changed them for a better tyre :grin:
Unless of course the "SP" are a newer version of the sportmaxx.... Cant remember exactly which ones I had, but they really were pi$$ poor compared to the Eagle F1 Assyms I have now. :nerd:
the SP were disigned especially for the nurburgring edition astra.
how do people rate bridgestone potenza's? as that is what i have got on the golf and they seem good
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can anyone answer my question above?
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From what i remember they performed quite well in a recent test.. but dont quote me on that. Might be better off putting tyre tests into google or something similar. from what I know these have not been seen on the Gti before. :nerd:
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From what i remember they performed quite well in a recent test.. but dont quote me on that. Might be better off putting tyre tests into google or something similar. from what I know these have not been seen on the Gti before. :nerd:
thanks for that
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
Thats what we all thought until we changed them for a better tyre :grin:
Very true. I think a big part of the problem with them is their performace drops off dramatically as they wear, more so than most other tyres.
ETTO, but my ShyteMaxx were max shyte from day one! :sick: :sick: :sick: :sick:
Nasty, nasty tyres, and really let the GTI down.
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That was the same with the MK5 - just luck of the draw.
If anyone ends up with the dunlops - bin them or insist the dealer changes them. They are shyte. :sick:
i would not agree with that mate i had the dunlop sport maxx sp on my nurburgring astra and they seemed top notch
Thats what we all thought until we changed them for a better tyre :grin:
Unless of course the "SP" are a newer version of the sportmaxx.... Cant remember exactly which ones I had, but they really were pi$$ poor compared to the Eagle F1 Assyms I have now. :nerd:
the SP were disigned especially for the nurburgring edition astra.
So is the SP directional or asymmetric? :huh:
how do people rate bridgestone potenza's? as that is what i have got on the golf and they seem good
Hmmmmmm . . . . opinions do differ on these, and whilst some detest them and some merely find them just OK - no one has ever stated they were fantastic.
Infact, a fellow Jock (search for username Schrodingers Cat, or sommat) really had a nightmare with em - sommat to do with what Scotland uses to de-ice the roads in winter - and they made the Bridgestones lethal - but when he switched to PS2s, they were fine.
Sadly, the last real top-notch Bridgestone was the S-02 Pole Position!
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It's always hard to tell with people's tyre opinions because you dont know how good a driver they are. They might be crap and blame the tyres for something that was their fault.
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in laymans terms then, if for eg my new GTI turns up with any dunlop tyres i should ask for them to be replaced with another make eg pirelli or bridgestone, cause the dunlops are sh1te? has anyone tried this when taking delivery?
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in laymans terms then, if for eg my new GTI turns up with any dunlop tyres i should ask for them to be replaced with another make eg pirelli or bridgestone, cause the dunlops are sh1te? has anyone tried this when taking delivery?
There's actually nothing wrong with the Dunlops, their dry handling is superb, the only weakness Which? magazine found was resistance to aquaplaning in a bend where they were average. I would say it's not worth complaining about.
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sounds good, i was just concerned from some of the posts that they were sh1te and obviously you need confidence in your tyres when you are putting your foot down. i'll leave it then, cheers.
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
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What are you doing having hairy moments? Your not meant to have them with your 4WD ;) :D
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you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!
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Should being the key word. I cant comment on any other tyre as Iv only ever had Goodyear Eagle F1s on mine (had GSD3s in 17'' form and just got 18'' Asymetrics on 3 weeks ago now) but they really do grip fantastical well.
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trouble is i'm pretty sure the dealer won't put those tyres on my new car if its delivered with dunlops for free!!
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Oh no, not a chance, the F1s aren't exactly cheap either :( but as with most things in this world, you get what you pay for.
Are the Dunlops really that bad? The Conti Sports would be my preferred tyre if I had the choice of them or the Dunlops.
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i don't know to be honest, all i know is what people have posted here and they've slated the dunlops. i'm pretty sure i had them on my mk5 but i'm not a tyre geek so i wouldn't have known the difference between them or any other tyre. like you say, i want the best....but after shelling out 27k i may just put up with dunlops (that's if they come with them - they might not, which makes my questions totally pointless!) :cool:
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.
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Naaaaah fook it, blame the tyres :D
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in laymans terms then, if for eg my new GTI turns up with any dunlop tyres i should ask for them to be replaced with another make eg pirelli or bridgestone, cause the dunlops are sh1te? has anyone tried this when taking delivery?
There's actually nothing wrong with the Dunlops, their dry handling is superb, the only weakness Which? magazine found was resistance to aquaplaning in a bend where they were average. I would say it's not worth complaining about.
Sorry, but strongly disagree. Don't forget that Which are just a consumer organisation - they certainly are NOT experts in Automotive issues!
Anyway, Dunlops - where do I start. They are not very 'grippy' even in the dry - the traction control will be working overtime, and during hard braking, the ABS has to kick in alarmingly early. In the wet, they are truely shocking - if you have never had an 'involuntary relaxation of the anal sphincter' - then you certainly will with the Dunflops! Cornering-wise, again, shyte - OK, they do offer reasonable levels of grip in corners, but it is there complete lack of feedback, and complete lack of transition from grip to no grip. Say you are going round a corner fairly swiftly, and you hit a relatively minor imperfection in the road surface, such as overbanding, cats eye, manhole cover, or whatever - the whole car will leap sideways - but every other tyre quality performance tyre does NOT do this!
Then there is the 'noise issue' - ShyteMaxxes are increadibly noisy compared to say a Michelin.
And finally, the ShyteMaxx have been 'proven' to suffer from a phenomenom called 'static deformation'. Basically, if you park up your car for a few days or more, the actual tyre deforms where it contacts the road surface - and when you next drive off, it feels like you are driving on 50 pence coins. OK, this eventually clears after a few miles (when the tyres warm up), but it is not good when it happens. This is soley caused by a 'weak' tyre carcass, and this also has a more permanent effect when the tyres are wearing low - in terms of lack of stability - the car will twitch and tug on the steering everytime you touch a white line, cats eye, or get caught out by ruts on main roads caused by HGVs.
Seriously shyte tyre - cry if your GTI is delivered with them! Because they really spoil the GTIs otherwise superb handling! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Which do proper tests though. You dont.
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i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!
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i had sp sport maxx on my astra vxr and they were top notch especially when i was going around the nurburgring and they certainly never suffered from static deformation
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you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!
Huh, are you for real? Twenty seven thousand pounds on a new car - but you then don't think you ought to spend an extra £500 on a decent set of boots! What if you stuffed your car into a hedge, or lamp post or dry stone wall - simply because your tyres let you down - and then wrote off the car! Dunlops could quite easily do that - but with more 'suitable' tyres, you would have a massively improved chance of missing said objects. OK, a change of underwear might be required, but your car would be intact!
And for the record, I have personally ditched shyte tyres on two brand new cars (actually, one was a dealer demo) - with better boots when they were virtually new. First ocasion was on a Vectra GSI which had Yokohoma AVS S1Z, and the second was on my RS4 with Pirelli P-Zero Rossos. The Yokos went after less than a 1000 miles, and the Pirellies lasted just 4k miles - and on both cars, the handling was massively improved.
Don't get me wrong, the Dunlops arn't 'dangerous' (like the Yokos and Pirellis were :angry:), but they are seriously 'inferior' - particularly when Dunlops are marketed as a 'premium' brand tyre. You could sort of accept shyte handling if you purchased some £30 'Nippon No-Grips' from China, but Dunlop . . . :sick: :sick:
But saying all this, if you are one of the few who purchase a GTI just for the 'pose factor' - and never have any intention of using the GTI for what it is made for, then the Dunlops will be perfectly acceptable.
HTH
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Oh no, not a chance, the F1s aren't exactly cheap either :( but as with most things in this world, you get what you pay for.
Are the Dunlops really that bad? The Conti Sports would be my preferred tyre if I had the choice of them or the Dunlops.
ContiSports are better than Dunlops, but they arn't as good as Mich or GY. Contis are really best suited to heaver, larger autobhan-stormers, such as Audi A8/S8s, Merc S-Class, or BMW 7 Series - and they are rock-steady at 170mph - but they arn't really the best for a sweet-handling hot hatch. Contis can also be a touch noisy, and a touch harsh on ride comfort too, though again better than the Dunflops.
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you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!
Huh, are you for real? Twenty seven thousand pounds on a new car - but you then don't think you ought to spend an extra £500 on a decent set of boots! What if you stuffed your car into a hedge, or lamp post or dry stone wall - simply because your tyres let you down - and then wrote off the car! Dunlops could quite easily do that - but with more 'suitable' tyres, you would have a massively improved chance of missing said objects. OK, a change of underwear might be required, but your car would be intact!
And for the record, I have personally ditched shyte tyres on two brand new cars (actually, one was a dealer demo) - with better boots when they were virtually new. First ocasion was on a Vectra GSI which had Yokohoma AVS S1Z, and the second was on my RS4 with Pirelli P-Zero Rossos. The Yokos went after less than a 1000 miles, and the Pirellies lasted just 4k miles - and on both cars, the handling was massively improved.
Don't get me wrong, the Dunlops arn't 'dangerous' (like the Yokos and Pirellis were :angry:), but they are seriously 'inferior' - particularly when Dunlops are marketed as a 'premium' brand tyre. You could sort of accept shyte handling if you purchased some £30 'Nippon No-Grips' from China, but Dunlop . . . :sick: :sick:
But saying all this, if you are one of the few who purchase a GTI just for the 'pose factor' - and never have any intention of using the GTI for what it is made for, then the Dunlops will be perfectly acceptable.
HTH
A. you missed my point. what i meant was when you are shelling out that kind of money on a car, you expect the tyres to be the best. i'm not saying i wouldn't change them, i'm saying that i would expect them to be tip top when i picked the car up.
B. i can actually drive. i certainly won't end up in a hedge or a lamp post - i'll leave that to chavs in sh!t cars.
C. even though you don't know me and i know you weren't having a go, i'm actually offended by the whole "never have the intention of using the GTI for what it is made for" comment! i drive hard but safe, and it really winds me up when i see a GTI going at 60mph on the motorway - buy a micra if you want to drive like a pussy. don't get me wrong, i enjoy the way the car looks and people looking at it, but its certainly not my primary reason for buying it so i can drive round the town centre all day posing. its meant to be driven, and it certainly will be i can promise you.
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Oh no, not a chance, the F1s aren't exactly cheap either :( but as with most things in this world, you get what you pay for.
Are the Dunlops really that bad? The Conti Sports would be my preferred tyre if I had the choice of them or the Dunlops.
ContiSports are better than Dunlops, but they arn't as good as Mich or GY. Contis are really best suited to heaver, larger autobhan-stormers, such as Audi A8/S8s, Merc S-Class, or BMW 7 Series - and they are rock-steady at 170mph - but they arn't really the best for a sweet-handling hot hatch. Contis can also be a touch noisy, and a touch harsh on ride comfort too, though again better than the Dunflops.
I can quite agree with TT... My ContiSports 3 are noisy but am not sure about ride comfort though... Need to drive moar!!
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TT what do you think about the bridgestone potenzas that came on my gti?
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.
Well technically, yes. But the whole 'ethos' of the Mk5 and Mk6 GTI is its awesome chassis and handling abilities - and this was ably demonstrated when the Mk5 was launched, and Top Gear and Fifth Gear sung its praises. But those intitial batch of GTIs only came with either Michelin Pilot Exalto PE2 (17s), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 (18s), or a special batch of hand-made ContiSportContacts. And when I first tested a whole load of early Mk5s - that is all they had for rubber.
Imagine then when you eventually take delivery, and expect it to handle like Clarkson demonstrated, only to find it DOESN'T - simply because of the shyte Dunlops!
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Which do proper tests though.
No they don't! A massive part of the Which 'evaluation' is price - so according to them, an £80 Dunlop is much better than a £150 Michelin! And another part of their evaluation is based on 'availability' - so if there happens to be half a dozen massive container ships full of cheap crap Chinese tyres, compared to say limited availability Yokohama AVS Sport (which actually ain't too bad) - the lethal Chinese tyres will win. :sick:
Sorry, but if you rely on Which for automotive issues, then you are a fool - they always seem to report that a Kia Sedona is better than say an Audi A4 or a BMW 3 series - or a Mazda 3 is better than a VW Golf or Audi A3 - sorry, but Which are off their rocker when dealing with automotive issues. Just use Which for what they are best at - washing machines, toasters and steam irons - and leave more techincal automotive issues to peeps who actually have some genuine interest and passion in the subject in question.
You dont.
Is that a statment of fact, or a matter of opinion? Either way, you are very wrong! :rolleyes:
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i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!
Sorry, but you will have no chance. I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
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i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!
Sorry, but you will have no chance. I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
well i'll certainly give it a go if they turn up on dunlops. where there is a will there's a way. and in my experience if you treat people with some respect and be nice sometimes you get something back. in this case i would be hoping for some goodwill on the part of my dealer with a change of tyre.
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though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
So lots of their customers are complaing about this problem and they do ........... nothing, ffs :rolleyes:
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i had sp sport maxx on my astra vxr and they were top notch especially when i was going around the nurburgring and they certainly never suffered from static deformation
Dunlops don't do that all the time. There are two particular scenarios which cause this - the weight of the car (and I think the Astra VXR edition is quite a bit lighter than the GTI), and temperatures. The Yanks in some of the hotter states seemed to report it more often, whereas Alaskans, Canadians, and us here in chilly Blighty didn't seem to be affected nowhere near as badly.
I actually found static deformation to be worse on my RS4 when it had Pirellis, though I did also experience it on the GTI during a particularly hot heatwave. Anyway, static deformation is very easy to cure - you simply need to increase the tyre pressures over and above what it says on the fuel flap sticker. Sadly, some peeps seem to have some kind of 'old skool' mental block about tyre pressures - stating BS like you should never go above 28 psi, and that 32 psi is just 'way too high'! :rolleyes: When I had the Dunflops, I just increased the fronts to 46 psi, and the rears to 38 psi (for 'normal' loads) - and I never suffered that issue again.
HTH
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you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!
Huh, are you for real? Twenty seven thousand pounds on a new car - but you then don't think you ought to spend an extra £500 on a decent set of boots! What if you stuffed your car into a hedge, or lamp post or dry stone wall - simply because your tyres let you down - and then wrote off the car! Dunlops could quite easily do that - but with more 'suitable' tyres, you would have a massively improved chance of missing said objects. OK, a change of underwear might be required, but your car would be intact!
And for the record, I have personally ditched shyte tyres on two brand new cars (actually, one was a dealer demo) - with better boots when they were virtually new. First ocasion was on a Vectra GSI which had Yokohoma AVS S1Z, and the second was on my RS4 with Pirelli P-Zero Rossos. The Yokos went after less than a 1000 miles, and the Pirellies lasted just 4k miles - and on both cars, the handling was massively improved.
Don't get me wrong, the Dunlops arn't 'dangerous' (like the Yokos and Pirellis were :angry:), but they are seriously 'inferior' - particularly when Dunlops are marketed as a 'premium' brand tyre. You could sort of accept shyte handling if you purchased some £30 'Nippon No-Grips' from China, but Dunlop . . . :sick: :sick:
But saying all this, if you are one of the few who purchase a GTI just for the 'pose factor' - and never have any intention of using the GTI for what it is made for, then the Dunlops will be perfectly acceptable.
HTH
A. you missed my point. what i meant was when you are shelling out that kind of money on a car, you expect the tyres to be the best. i'm not saying i wouldn't change them, i'm saying that i would expect them to be tip top when i picked the car up.
OK, thanks for clarifying. :afro: And I wholeheartedly agree that the car should have the best tyres. But sadly, we all need to accept that Volkswagen are just a 'mass market' manufacturer, and that the GTI is just 'another' model in their wider car range. Yes, yes, yes - WE all know that the GTI is much more than that - but in the global issue at Volkswagen Group - it aint. Which is why the GTI is supplied with quite a wide range of boots. But if you genuinely want a true 'sports car', or a car with much more control on crucial items such as tyres, then you seriously need to be looking at an Audi 'S' or 'RS' car, or a Porsche or a BMW 'M' car - but then you'd be paying a shed load more wonga - and one heck of a lot more than say £500 for a set of uber decent boots!
B. i can actually drive. i certainly won't end up in a hedge or a lamp post - i'll leave that to chavs in sh!t cars.
I'm sorry, but no matter how talented the driver, you can NOT overcome the laws of physics. If/when your tyres let you down, even the finest professional drivers in the world (of road cars or race cars) can overcome shyte tyres. Just look back to how Lewis Hamilton lost the WC in 2007 due to shagged tyres on his McLaren, yet the same scenario favoured him at Brazil 2008, when Jarno Trulis tyres were shot.
So unless you are some multiple world rally champion or F1 champion, I, with the highest possible respect and friendship, suggest you 'smell the coffee'. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
C. even though you don't know me and i know you weren't having a go, i'm actually offended by the whole "never have the intention of using the GTI for what it is made for" comment! i drive hard but safe, and it really winds me up when i see a GTI going at 60mph on the motorway - buy a micra if you want to drive like a pussy. don't get me wrong, i enjoy the way the car looks and people looking at it, but its certainly not my primary reason for buying it so i can drive round the town centre all day posing. its meant to be driven, and it certainly will be i can promise you.
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to adress that comment at anyone in person, including you - but we all know it does happen. And whilst there may be a real genuine reason to drive like Miss Daisy - such as you already have 11 points on your licence, for the most part - I bet a good 50-70% of GTI owners (and other similar cars) never, EVER get driven to anywhere near their capabilities!
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Oh no, not a chance, the F1s aren't exactly cheap either :( but as with most things in this world, you get what you pay for.
Are the Dunlops really that bad? The Conti Sports would be my preferred tyre if I had the choice of them or the Dunlops.
ContiSports are better than Dunlops, but they arn't as good as Mich or GY. Contis are really best suited to heaver, larger autobhan-stormers, such as Audi A8/S8s, Merc S-Class, or BMW 7 Series - and they are rock-steady at 170mph - but they arn't really the best for a sweet-handling hot hatch. Contis can also be a touch noisy, and a touch harsh on ride comfort too, though again better than the Dunflops.
I can quite agree with TT... My ContiSports 3 are noisy but am not sure about ride comfort though... Need to drive moar!!
Are yours 17 or 18" rims?
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18 inches...
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TT what do you think about the bridgestone potenzas that came on my gti?
Are they the RE050? If so, again, some very mixed impressions of these, with some finding them perfectly OK, and others having real concerns about wet weather performance. I have personally driven two different GTIs, along with a few other types of cars with those - and on some cars, I couldn't fault them, yet on others, they were ar$e twitching in the wet - and this was the same with the GTIs - one was great, one was scary! I just think that Bridgestone have some quite apparent 'quality control' issues. Lots of Elise and Vauxhall VX220 owners will say the same - no consistency between batches. So if you get a good 'batch', they will be superb.
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Which do proper tests though.
No they don't! A massive part of the Which 'evaluation' is price - so according to them, an £80 Dunlop is much better than a £150 Michelin!
Absolute rubbish. Michelin and Continental usually come out top. Have you even looked at Which recently?
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i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!
Sorry, but you will have no chance. I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
well i'll certainly give it a go if they turn up on dunlops. where there is a will there's a way. and in my experience if you treat people with some respect and be nice sometimes you get something back. in this case i would be hoping for some goodwill on the part of my dealer with a change of tyre.
I honestly think you'll be wasting your time. Because IF Volkswagen knew there was a prob with dunlops back in 2006/7, why is it they are still factory fitting them.
IF yours does turn up with them on, just chalk it down to 'experience'. You may, afterall, actually like them! :grin: Anyway, arn't they now a slightly revised 'Dunlop SportMaxx TT'? :undecided:
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Wonder who they named them after :D :D
Their number 1 fan?
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18 inches...
OK, thanks. But I just realised you are in the Netherlands, and your roads are much better than ours. Do you have m-ways with concrete road surfaces, rather than the more normal tarmac? Because Contis are particularly bad on concrete surfaces.
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Wonder who they named them after :D :D
Their number 1 fan?
Yeah, rite! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Must remember to hide my Dunlop t-shirt and basball cap when I turn up to the JKM RR day! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Didnt know you was coming down to that. Shall see you then ;)
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you say don't skimp, but surely after paying 27k for a car you can't then go out and buy brand new tyres for it - it should come with tyres that can cope with all situations!
then you seriously need to be looking at an Audi 'S' or 'RS' car, or a Porsche or a BMW 'M' car -
RS - i'm not made of money, a GTI and an A4 is enough for one family!! S3 - fast, handling is sh1t. i'd love a porsche but with a baby not practical. Had my brother's for a week and is too expensive as you can't help ragging it all the time so use a shed load of petrol. BMW - i'm not a fat bald middle aged tosser so i'll leave those alone. M3 is a wicked car but i'm not a drug dealer so i'll pass.
B. i can actually drive. i certainly won't end up in a hedge or a lamp post - i'll leave that to chavs in sh!t cars.
I'm sorry, but no matter how talented the driver, you can NOT overcome the laws of physics. If/when your tyres let you down, even the finest professional drivers in the world (of road cars or race cars) can overcome shyte tyres. Just look back to how Lewis Hamilton lost the WC in 2007 due to shagged tyres on his McLaren, yet the same scenario favoured him at Brazil 2008, when Jarno Trulis tyres were shot.
So unless you are some multiple world rally champion or F1 champion, I, with the highest possible respect and friendship, suggest you 'smell the coffee'. :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
again, you missed my point. what i was saying was that i'm not a sh1t driver therefore i won't be driving like a (unt, therefore i won't end up in a hedge. if i'm unfortunate enough, God forbid, to have a blow out i really don't think my choice of tyre will make any difference. plus i won't be doing 200mph so i won't do a lewis. and comparing a GTI to a McLaren F1 car is stretching your argument just a little don't you think?
C. even though you don't know me and i know you weren't having a go, i'm actually offended by the whole "never have the intention of using the GTI for what it is made for" comment! i drive hard but safe, and it really winds me up when i see a GTI going at 60mph on the motorway - buy a micra if you want to drive like a pussy. don't get me wrong, i enjoy the way the car looks and people looking at it, but its certainly not my primary reason for buying it so i can drive round the town centre all day posing. its meant to be driven, and it certainly will be i can promise you.
Sorry, I certainly didn't mean to adress that comment at anyone in person, including you - but we all know it does happen. And whilst there may be a real genuine reason to drive like Miss Daisy - such as you already have 11 points on your licence, for the most part - I bet a good 50-70% of GTI owners (and other similar cars) never, EVER get driven to anywhere near their capabilities!
i don't have any points because i have eyes/constantly on the look out for unmarked vehicles. as for your statistic, having read a few of your posts today it doesn't surprise me you making such a sweeping statement with no facts to back it up! :grin:
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i'm gonna try to get them swapped if they turn up with dunlops - they sound shocking!
Sorry, but you will have no chance. I previously lodged a formal complaint with Volkswagen UK CS - but they just stated they were EU-approved, and therefore fit for purpose - though they did also admit to having lots of complaints about them!
well i'll certainly give it a go if they turn up on dunlops. where there is a will there's a way. and in my experience if you treat people with some respect and be nice sometimes you get something back. in this case i would be hoping for some goodwill on the part of my dealer with a change of tyre.
I honestly think you'll be wasting your time. Because IF Volkswagen knew there was a prob with dunlops back in 2006/7, why is it they are still factory fitting them.
IF yours does turn up with them on, just chalk it down to 'experience'. You may, afterall, actually like them! :grin: Anyway, arn't they now a slightly revised 'Dunlop SportMaxx TT'? :undecided:
well we'll see! but i don't usually waste my time for the fun of it so i believe i'll be ok! but thanks for your concern anyway!
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TT what do you think about the bridgestone potenzas that came on my gti?
Are they the RE050? If so, again, some very mixed impressions of these, with some finding them perfectly OK, and others having real concerns about wet weather performance. I have personally driven two different GTIs, along with a few other types of cars with those - and on some cars, I couldn't fault them, yet on others, they were ar$e twitching in the wet - and this was the same with the GTIs - one was great, one was scary! I just think that Bridgestone have some quite apparent 'quality control' issues. Lots of Elise and Vauxhall VX220 owners will say the same - no consistency between batches. So if you get a good 'batch', they will be superb.
yeah the are re050a and i have used it in the wet and they seem top notch in the wet gripping far better than the dunlops i had on the astra did and in the dry they possibly feel the best tyre i have had on a car but thanks for the reply to my question
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Didnt know you was coming down to that. Shall see you then ;)
Nothing's set in stone, but hopefully I'll be there!
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TT what do you think about the bridgestone potenzas that came on my gti?
Are they the RE050? If so, again, some very mixed impressions of these, with some finding them perfectly OK, and others having real concerns about wet weather performance. I have personally driven two different GTIs, along with a few other types of cars with those - and on some cars, I couldn't fault them, yet on others, they were ar$e twitching in the wet - and this was the same with the GTIs - one was great, one was scary! I just think that Bridgestone have some quite apparent 'quality control' issues. Lots of Elise and Vauxhall VX220 owners will say the same - no consistency between batches. So if you get a good 'batch', they will be superb.
yeah the are re050a and i have used it in the wet and they seem top notch in the wet gripping far better than the dunlops i had on the astra did and in the dry they possibly feel the best tyre i have had on a car but thanks for the reply to my question
You're welcome. :afro: :smiley:
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.
Oh sorry mr know-it-all! Didnt realise you were there :rolleyes:
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TT, have you driven the MK6 GTI with the latest Dunlops fitted? If you haven't do you think it's nice (or wise) to scare owners and potential owners because you have been deemed to have an 'expert opinion and you say they are shyte?
I am not an expert, however my real world experience as a typical driver is that the Dunlops on my Mk6 GTI have excellent feel, especially cornering and I believe I currently have the only revo remapped 270bhp MK6 in the UK and would deem myself an 'enthusiastic' driver.
The last thing I would want right now is to be matchboy who hasn't even taken delivery of his car and will be gutted and possibly sh!tt!ng himself because an expert gave a negative opinion on a tyre he may or may not have driven on?
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thanks for your info mate, if you have dunlops and have had no issues then that's good enough for me. don't worry, i wasn't sh1tting myself based on TT's comments - from all of his posts he clearly thinks he is always right about everything. and as for the tyres giving way, i'm pretty sure i had dunlops on my mk 5 and i drove the ar7e off that car and never had an issue. thanks for your comments though, v reassuring. at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
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I think saying the dunlops are going to kill you is a slight dramatic.. but you wil be suprised at how poor they are once you change them for something better. :wink:
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.
Oh sorry mr know-it-all! Didnt realise you were there :rolleyes:
I'd love to have seen what you actually did. Honestly, people on the internet jibbering about how certain tyres are bad because they cocked up, I've seen it many times.
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I would take it easy with the dunflops on tbh. I had a bit of an emergency breaking situation yesterday and Im very glad i had the F1 eagles on! :shocked:
Had it been the dunlops im quite sure i WOULD have written off my car. Dont skimp, its a flase economy :nerd:
Or you could drive sensibly. if you're putting yourself in the situation where you could write off your car you're not driving properly, and it wouldnt be the tyres fault if you crashed it would be yours.
Oh sorry mr know-it-all! Didnt realise you were there :rolleyes:
I'd love to have seen what you actually did. Honestly, people on the internet jibbering about how certain tyres are bad because they cocked up, I've seen it many times.
What the feck are you?? the grim reaper??
Hmm, just for your information I dont have the Dunlops. So how could I have cocked up??
Your a prize c0ck pal! you have no idea what happened. I wish you were there too, so when I swerved to miss the little bugger I could have maybe knocked some sense into you. Get your facts right before you jibber!!
I never said they were dangerous, I just know as well as about another 300 forum members that the sportmaxx are sh!t tyres, and thats speaking from experience. If you dont have anything positive to add to a discussion do one! :rolleyes:
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Right thats enough you two, I'm not too bloddy happy there's an argument taking place and I'm not involved. So give it a rest. :grin:
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TT, have you driven the MK6 GTI with the latest Dunlops fitted?
Nope. But have you driven the Mk5 with the Dunlops? :smug:
But, based on the numerous complaints on here about the Mk5 with Dunlops, and the simple fact that the Mk6 has identical chassis and suspension geometery as the Mk5 - then any Mk6 with Dunlop SportMaxxes are very highly likely to be 'underwhealmed' by their overall abilites. And I honestly doubt that any 'new' SportMaxx are going to be any better. And this is backed up by comparing a couple of 580 horsepower V10 twin turbo RS6s - one with Pirelli P-Zero, and the other with Dunlop SportMaxx GT (which are allegedly an even higher performance version compared to the GTI-size SportMaxx TT) - and the Dunlop shod one was notably inferior when 'pressing on'! :wink:
If you haven't do you think it's nice (or wise) to scare owners and potential owners because you have been deemed to have an 'expert opinion and you say they are shyte?
Erm, when the fcuk have I ever said I am an 'expert' ??? I, just like many other 'established' users on this forum simply speak from experience regarding the Dunlops - and I think it is only reasonable that any potential 'pitfalls' are aired. But if someone then gets 'scared' - best they cancel their order, and stay at home, with the doors locked - because they might get run over by the bus!
But it goes back to the old long-standing fundamentals - you should only drive the car WITHIN the capabilites of the car (which includes the tyres) and your own abilities!
I am not an expert, however my real world experience as a typical driver is that the Dunlops on my Mk6 GTI have excellent feel, especially cornering and I believe I currently have the only revo remapped 270bhp MK6 in the UK and would deem myself an 'enthusiastic' driver.
So the opinions and direct experience of hundreds, or even thousands of PQ35 platform users, irrespective of engine output - are all worthless - and yours is the only opinion we should listen too? :rolleyes:
A Mk6 GTI still uses the Mk5 PQ35 platform, suspension, steering, brakes, etc - so Mk5 info is most definatly relevent.
But instead of slanging each other off - can you please confirm exactly what spec Dunlops you have - then at least we can all move on with some slightly more definative info. :smiley:
The last thing I would want right now is to be matchboy who hasn't even taken delivery of his car and will be gutted and possibly sh!tt!ng himself because an expert gave a negative opinion on a tyre he may or may not have driven on?
I'll treat that particular paragraph with the utter contempt it deserves . . .
EDITED: for spelling (in case any Mk6 owners think I am changing my 'expert' opinion :wink:)
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
And you are perfectly right. For normal day to day driving, the Dunlops are just fine. But what lets the Dunlops down is when you put more than just 'day to day driving' requirements on them. And yes, that can include pushing the car hard in the twisties - which may or may not be a high priority. But it also includes things like emergency braking, or having to swerve abruptly because some knut has half pulled out of a junction, or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway. Because in all those scenarios, the Dunlops perform much worse than virtually all the other quality tyres available for the GTI.
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I think saying the dunlops are going to kill you is a slight dramatic.. but you wil be suprised at how poor they are once you change them for something better. :wink:
Exactly! :afro:
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
More horsesh!t. It is perfectly safe, and reasonable - with decent tyres to travel at 70mph (providing you leave appropriate stoping distances) even during moderately heavy rain.
The real whankers are those who fit sh!t tyres to their cars! :rolleyes:
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I know a tyre fitter that lives around the corner from me, and sorts out my tyre fitting.
Interestingly enough he uses the top end of the budget range on his golf gti 150tdi.
He knows his stuff, so i can only assume that not all budget tyres are bad.
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
More horsesh!t. It is perfectly safe, and reasonable - with decent tyres to travel at 70mph (providing you leave appropriate stoping distances) even during moderately heavy rain.
The real whankers are those who fit sh!t tyres to their cars! :rolleyes:
when you can't see anything in front of you due to the spray and its proper pissing it down (i'm not talking about an april shower) and there is masses of surface water, it is not safe to drive at that speed. what a ridiculous and irresponsible thing to say. f7ck me i'm glad i'm not one of your customers. you really do talk a load of old sh1te.
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
it's no issue in my current car - subaru impreza wrx with bridgestone re050's
i'm hoping a new sports/family fwd will not be much worse, or i will be most upset.
70mph in the wet should not be dangerous, until you get some tit driving along without even as much as sidelights on
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In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
More horsesh!t. It is perfectly safe, and reasonable - with decent tyres to travel at 70mph (providing you leave appropriate stoping distances) even during moderately heavy rain.
The real whankers are those who fit sh!t tyres to their cars! :rolleyes:
when you can't see anything in front of you due to the spray and its proper pissing it down (i'm not talking about an april shower) and there is masses of surface water, it is not safe to drive at that speed. what a ridiculous and irresponsible thing to say. f7ck me i'm glad i'm not one of your customers. you really do talk a load of old sh1te.
Fuch off you tw@t - who said anything about reduced visibility due to spray - you are just an argumentative kunt who simply likes trying to pour different fuels on the fire. You really are a fuching dickhead! :angry:
I'll state again - and add those important extra things you like to keep feeding the fire with:
If the visability is clear enough, AND you have tyres which are known to cope with heavy rain - then it is perfectly safe to drive at 70 mph in the rain. Of course, you fuching dickhead - if it is really pi$$ing it down, then visibility WILL be reduced - and so you reduce your speed accordingly! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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at the end of the day i'm pretty sure unless i was going round a track any tyre will be more than adequate for day to day driving! cheers!
or if you happen to cross a 'river' at 70mph on the motorway.
if i'm driving in 'river' conditions i would consider 70mph to be a wayne kerrs speed to go if the weather is that bad - so that scenario won't happen. you can have the best tyres in the world but if you're doing that speed when the weather is that bad you're putting other people's life at risk.
it's no issue in my current car - subaru impreza wrx with bridgestone re050's
i'm hoping a new sports/family fwd will not be much worse, or i will be most upset.
70mph in the wet should not be dangerous, until you get some tit driving along without even as much as sidelights on
Exactly :afro:
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In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?
What tyres do you have? It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning. :wink:
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This mk6 section is not that good, I dont like the atmosphere.
:laugh:
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In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?
What tyres do you have? It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning. :wink:
I thought practically all tyres are directional now?
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Nope. My Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetrics aren't.
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I'm not a tyre expert unfortunately :grin:
I thought directionals were good in the wet, unless you fit them on the wrong side :sick:
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In fairness if the road is literally flood 70mph is ruthless. My MKV aqua planes all over the place on wet corners. Even worse when you physically hit one of those huge puddles and it drags you to the left/right and a wave crashes over your windscreen :laugh: Can u tell im speaking from experience lol?
What tyres do you have? It is well known that directional tyres are particularly prone to aquaplaning. :wink:
I thought practically all tyres are directional now?
Noooooooo - directional are old hat. Most modern tyres are actually asymmetrical - which is quite different to directional - although I can fully understand how peeps get confused.
What brand or type of tyre are you familiar with, and I'll see if I can help with any <cough>corrections<cough>! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:
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I'm familiar with directionals and non-directions i think.
Now that just sounds dumb :embarassed:
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Ive got some nankangs or sumsh!t. Cheapest things I could get my hands on because it needed some new ones from my worn out bridgestones b4 it gets sold. But its always done it to be fair just worse now :)
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I'm not a tyre expert unfortunately :grin:
I thought directionals were good in the wet, unless you fit them on the wrong side :sick:
OK, everyone knows the Goodyear GSD3 (don't they? :undecided:) - anyway, these were 'directional' - and could be identified with a Y shaped tread pattern. Both shoulders of the tyres were identical - but they had an arrow on the sidewall indicating which direction they should be rotated.
But asymmetrics are very different - when you look across the whole surface of the tread, from one shoulder to the other, one side will be very different to the other. On one sidewall, it will say 'outside' and on the other, it will say 'inside'. On the more expensive tyres, they generally use two different rubber compounds - a harder compound on the outer edge, to cope with the increased loads when cornering, and a softer compound on the inner edge, so the tyre can disperse water and provide a degree of 'flexing'.
Google images of the GSD3 and the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. :wink:
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TT, have you driven the MK6 GTI with the latest Dunlops fitted?
Nope. But have you driven the Mk5 with the Dunlops? :smug:
No I haven't but why is that relvant?
But, based on the numerous complaints on here about the Mk5 with Dunlops, and the simple fact that the Mk6 has identical chassis and suspension geometery as the Mk5 - then any Mk6 with Dunlop SportMaxxes are very highly likely to be 'underwhealmed' by their overall abilites. And I honestly doubt that any 'new' SportMaxx are going to be any better. And this is backed up by comparing a couple of 580 horsepower V10 twin turbo RS6s - one with Pirelli P-Zero, and the other with Dunlop SportMaxx GT (which are allegedly an even higher performance version compared to the GTI-size SportMaxx TT) - and the Dunlop shod one was notably inferior when 'pressing on'! :wink:
Again, can't see the relevance of different tyres on different cars
If you haven't do you think it's nice (or wise) to scare owners and potential owners because you have been deemed to have an 'expert opinion and you say they are shyte?
Erm, when the fcuk have I ever said I am an 'expert' ??? I, just like many other 'established' users on this forum simply speak from experience regarding the Dunlops - and I think it is only reasonable that any potential 'pitfalls' are aired. But if someone then gets 'scared' - best they cancel their order, and stay at home, with the doors locked - because they might get run over by the bus!
I thought you did this for a living mate? would you not consider yourself an expert?
But it goes back to the old long-standing fundamentals - you should only drive the car WITHIN the capabilites of the car (which includes the tyres) and your own abilities!
well within my experience as a driver and the enhanced capabilities of my remapped GTI, the Dunlops feel just fine and better than the P Zero Rossos on my Scirocco
I am not an expert, however my real world experience as a typical driver is that the Dunlops on my Mk6 GTI have excellent feel, especially cornering and I believe I currently have the only revo remapped 270bhp MK6 in the UK and would deem myself an 'enthusiastic' driver.
So the opinions and direct experience of hundreds, or even thousands of PQ35 platform users, irrespective of engine output - are all worthless - and yours is the only opinion we should listen too? :rolleyes:
I don't know about them and their car cars but this is the MK6 section and I think the opinions of MK6 owners is more relevant to potential and existing MK6 owners.
A Mk6 GTI still uses the Mk5 PQ35 platform, suspension, steering, brakes, etc - so Mk5 info is most definatly relevent.
Possibly but the MK6 suspension isn't exactly the same as the MK5 so the car may handle different might it not?
But instead of slanging each other off - can you please confirm exactly what spec Dunlops you have - then at least we can all move on with some slightly more definative info. :smiley:
Yes mate, mine are SP Sportmaxx
The last thing I would want right now is to be matchboy who hasn't even taken delivery of his car and will be gutted and possibly sh!tt!ng himself because an expert gave a negative opinion on a tyre he may or may not have driven on?
I'll treat that particular paragraph with the utter contempt it deserves . . .
Why does it deserve contempt? When I collected my car I was gutted it had the Dunlops on because all of the negativity towards them on this forum and it somewhat dampened the buying experience of my brand new GTI. However on my car, in my hands, on my roads, they feel fine, even great. Yes when they wear I might try something else (maybe Michelin Pilots that I had and liked on my A4) but how can you form the opinion they are shyte and dangerous etc when you haven't driven on them on that car? I'm sure you're just trying to help with your opinion but do you see my point?
EDITED: for spelling (in case any Mk6 owners think I am changing my 'expert' opinion :wink:)
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I'm not a tyre expert unfortunately :grin:
I thought directionals were good in the wet, unless you fit them on the wrong side :sick:
OK, everyone knows the Goodyear GSD3 (don't they? :undecided:) - anyway, these were 'directional' - and could be identified with a Y shaped tread pattern. Both shoulders of the tyres were identical - but they had an arrow on the sidewall indicating which direction they should be rotated.
But asymmetrics are very different - when you look across the whole surface of the tread, from one shoulder to the other, one side will be very different to the other. On one sidewall, it will say 'outside' and on the other, it will say 'inside'. On the more expensive tyres, they generally use two different rubber compounds - a harder compound on the outer edge, to cope with the increased loads when cornering, and a softer compound on the inner edge, so the tyre can disperse water and provide a degree of 'flexing'.
Google images of the GSD3 and the Michelin Pilot Sport PS2. :wink:
Oh yes, i've already seen tyres like that before.
I know what you mean but just didn't know the term for it :embarassed:
I take it this type of tyre is the more expensive type?
I'm tight so usually go for the best of the budget range :laugh:
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A8 I'm not knocking you at all mate, I think you are very typical of tyre shoppers.
However when you think about it they are the most important part of any vehicle as they are your only connection with the road. I have a 150hp Vito van and when it needs new boots I take it to the local (better) dealer and he always quotes me the cheapest tyres, I always ask for premium tyres as I take my kids in the back of the Vito and it's pretty quick (and RWD so tail happy!)
How do you judge what is a budget or performance tyre though? There are the obvious big names that we all recognize but for example Maxxis are deemed a budget to mid tier tyre yet in the world of mountain biking they are one of the best.
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A8 I'm not knocking you at all mate, I think you are very typical of tyre shoppers.
And Volkswagen. Have you seen some of the truely shyte tyres they are fitting on some of their mainstream specification cars - Kumho, Matador, Firestone . . . :shocked: :sick: :shocked: :sick:
However when you think about it they are the most important part of any vehicle as they are your only connection with the road.
You are so right. :afro:
Without any shadow of doubt, tyres are THE most crucial item on a car - for performance, handling, braking, safety, etc. You could have the best highest spec ceramic brakes, with massive 10-pot calipers, or the most expensive coilovers, or the most highly developed ESP system, or the most powerful engine - but these are all nigh-on useless if the tyres don't provide the necessary grip! :smug:
How do you judge what is a budget or performance tyre though? There are the obvious big names that we all recognize but for example Maxxis are deemed a budget to mid tier tyre yet in the world of mountain biking they are one of the best.
Dunno about Maxxis (for me, the jury is still out on them for car tyres). But 'budget' tyres are generally deemed those which originate from eastern Europe (Hungary, Slovakia, etc - ever tried 'Trayal' tyres? Just make sure you have shares in Andrex), and the far east (such as Korea, China, Taiwan - but not Japan). And they can also include the 'lesser' brands which are owned by the premium brands - so Firestone (which is owned by Bridgestone), BF Goodrich (who are owned by Michelin), General (owned by Continental), Dunlop (who are owned by Goodyear! :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: :evil: :evil:) and so on - but this is more of a grey area.
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A8 I'm not knocking you at all mate, I think you are very typical of tyre shoppers.
However when you think about it they are the most important part of any vehicle as they are your only connection with the road. I have a 150hp Vito van and when it needs new boots I take it to the local (better) dealer and he always quotes me the cheapest tyres, I always ask for premium tyres as I take my kids in the back of the Vito and it's pretty quick (and RWD so tail happy!)
How do you judge what is a budget or performance tyre though? There are the obvious big names that we all recognize but for example Maxxis are deemed a budget to mid tier tyre yet in the world of mountain biking they are one of the best.
I get advice from the guy that fits my tyres. He works for a company and does tyre fitting 'on the side' for small cash.
He knows his stuff so i trust his opinion :smiley:
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A8 I'm not knocking you at all mate, I think you are very typical of tyre shoppers.
However when you think about it they are the most important part of any vehicle as they are your only connection with the road. I have a 150hp Vito van and when it needs new boots I take it to the local (better) dealer and he always quotes me the cheapest tyres, I always ask for premium tyres as I take my kids in the back of the Vito and it's pretty quick (and RWD so tail happy!)
If you take your kids on the back of it drive it slower, it wont be tail happy then.
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A8 I'm not knocking you at all mate, I think you are very typical of tyre shoppers.
However when you think about it they are the most important part of any vehicle as they are your only connection with the road. I have a 150hp Vito van and when it needs new boots I take it to the local (better) dealer and he always quotes me the cheapest tyres, I always ask for premium tyres as I take my kids in the back of the Vito and it's pretty quick (and RWD so tail happy!)
If you take your kids on the back of it drive it slower, it wont be tail happy then.
The two things are not related mate, of course I wouldn't drive it hard enough to get the back end out with my kids in, however on a few occasions on my own the back end has stepped out (in rain or just gunning it a bit hard).