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Title: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 02 June 2009, 18:06
Hi guys i am new around here and just bought a Golf 1.8turbo.

I have got an induction kit on it that has a big chrome pipe running past the battery and down into the bumper... came with the car.

Can anyone tell me what it is exactly and also can it suck in water down there?
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: richw911 on 02 June 2009, 18:07
Yes it can suck in water and two people from this forum have had fooked engines because of this.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: AlanD on 02 June 2009, 18:20
A lot of people that have them say there is never a problem and never seem to understand why people think its dangerous., Iv never been a fan due to the horror stories I have heard of people sucking up water and totally f**king their engine up.

There are plenty of other induction kits out there that you can run without the risk.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 02 June 2009, 21:16
oh right ok, whats the best induction kit to buy then?
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: jamie16v on 02 June 2009, 22:02
oh right ok, whats the best induction kit to buy then?
you could argue this all day if you wanted to!
my personal preferance is oem airbox with panel filter then a decent cold feed to the airbox (again many ways to do this too)....
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 02 June 2009, 22:39
what does OEM mean lol? ... new  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: GTiHigh on 02 June 2009, 22:47
Original Equipment Manufacturer...

ie,  standard VW parts  :tongue:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: ben1.8T on 03 June 2009, 08:15
Or just got for Pipercross or K&N or Carbonio or the Neuspeed looks very nice.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 03 June 2009, 18:23
Well i would like something that wont suck up water but is not subject to engine heat?

Maybe a filter in a housing with a cold air feed.

I might do the OEM box with panel filter but will need to buy a whole new box as i bought the golf with the aftermarket system on it.... how do i smoothe the airbox if i do this.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: T_J_G on 03 June 2009, 18:25
BMC CDA or Neuspeed P-Flo. there is a guide on smoothing the box in the maintenance section
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: Voodoo-Music on 03 June 2009, 19:03
Dont bother with a induction kit as the oil from the filter will stuff your maf right up. Better off with a dry panel filter in a standard airbox with a dsg mod

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87356.0

Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: richw911 on 03 June 2009, 19:26
Dont bother with a induction kit as the oil from the filter will stuff your maf right up. Better off with a dry panel filter in a standard airbox with a dsg mod

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=87356.0



+1  :smiley:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: GTiHigh on 03 June 2009, 21:18
If you need a replacement OEM airbox + filter then navmk4gti from this forum is selling his for £30 inc delivery...  Thinking about buying it myself but if u need it, go for it,  I'll wait for another one ...

http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=118623.0

I'd also buy a pipercross panel filter to go along with it...
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 11:10
ok guys cheers
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 11:21
Also, if i now fit the smoothed airbox and uprated filter will i still be able to hear my standard bosh DV like i can a little at the moment and when i upgrade to a Forge 007 will i hear it?

Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: the_stink on 04 June 2009, 11:24
tbh the noise will prob be reduced but you will generally get better mpg and air flow with the DSG
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 11:45
So that i understand you guys better lol ... whats DSG
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: AlanD on 04 June 2009, 11:46
DSG is the larger air intake. Stink is quite the expert at this install (thats NEVER going to get boring :D )
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: the_stink on 04 June 2009, 13:01
DSG is the larger air intake. Stink is quite the expert at this install (thats NEVER going to get boring :D )

hahaha its reared its ugly head again, yeah its a doddle



















Honest  :embarassed:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: RTechUK on 04 June 2009, 13:34
A combination of:

1) CAI with low mount cone filter in the bumper.
2) Deep ford or puddle
3) Forgetfull or risk taking driver

=
Hydrolock = naffed engine.


Nick
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 13:46
A combination of:

1) CAI with low mount cone filter in the bumper.
2) Deep ford or puddle
3) Forgetfull or risk taking driver

=
Hydrolock = naffed engine.


Nick

Well i guess i can be forgetfull haha so its coming off.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: Waffs1984 on 04 June 2009, 14:19
I know there have been several people who have mashed engines because of CAI's but as you say - risky or forgetful - there is no reason whatsoever why CAI kits should suck up water unless you hit a seriously large pudde. I mean my golf is on coilies lowered about 50-60mm and the filter must still be a good 300mm off the ground at least. Now i don't know about you but i wouldn't be driving any hatchback through a foot deep puddle regardless of CAI or not. I know you sometimes get areas in the UK where foot deep puddles may occur at the side of the road in heavy rain but i just wait until the road ahead is clear and drive down the middle - its only been raining heaviliy enough twice in the last year for me to serisouly take caution when navigating puddles.

I don't really see them as a bigger issue than those who run their cars on like -100mm where the sump could crack if you hit a bump, thus risking loosing all the oil out of the engine and mashing it that way. Your much more likely to come across a monster speedbump and do this that suck water into your filter surely?

Also - to finish off my tuppence - for the CAI to suck water up it would in theory have to be completely submerged, although i agree that any sort of standing water above the lowest level of the filter is probably bad news!

Sorry for the essay but its the same with most things, those who have had something go wrong will always say don't do it, whereas those who have never had a problem will say do it - at the end of the day mate its up to you  :wink:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 14:38
I know there have been several people who have mashed engines because of CAI's but as you say - risky or forgetful - there is no reason whatsoever why CAI kits should suck up water unless you hit a seriously large pudde. I mean my golf is on coilies lowered about 50-60mm and the filter must still be a good 300mm off the ground at least. Now i don't know about you but i wouldn't be driving any hatchback through a foot deep puddle regardless of CAI or not. I know you sometimes get areas in the UK where foot deep puddles may occur at the side of the road in heavy rain but i just wait until the road ahead is clear and drive down the middle - its only been raining heaviliy enough twice in the last year for me to serisouly take caution when navigating puddles.

I don't really see them as a bigger issue than those who run their cars on like -100mm where the sump could crack if you hit a bump, thus risking loosing all the oil out of the engine and mashing it that way. Your much more likely to come across a monster speedbump and do this that suck water into your filter surely?

Also - to finish off my tuppence - for the CAI to suck water up it would in theory have to be completely submerged, although i agree that any sort of standing water above the lowest level of the filter is probably bad news!

Sorry for the essay but its the same with most things, those who have had something go wrong will always say don't do it, whereas those who have never had a problem will say do it - at the end of the day mate its up to you  :wink:

Good opinion  :wink:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: T_J_G on 04 June 2009, 14:50
I know there have been several people who have mashed engines because of CAI's but as you say - risky or forgetful - there is no reason whatsoever why CAI kits should suck up water unless you hit a seriously large pudde. I mean my golf is on coilies lowered about 50-60mm and the filter must still be a good 300mm off the ground at least. Now i don't know about you but i wouldn't be driving any hatchback through a foot deep puddle regardless of CAI or not. I know you sometimes get areas in the UK where foot deep puddles may occur at the side of the road in heavy rain but i just wait until the road ahead is clear and drive down the middle - its only been raining heaviliy enough twice in the last year for me to serisouly take caution when navigating puddles.

I don't really see them as a bigger issue than those who run their cars on like -100mm where the sump could crack if you hit a bump, thus risking loosing all the oil out of the engine and mashing it that way. Your much more likely to come across a monster speedbump and do this that suck water into your filter surely?

Also - to finish off my tuppence - for the CAI to suck water up it would in theory have to be completely submerged, although i agree that any sort of standing water above the lowest level of the filter is probably bad news!

Sorry for the essay but its the same with most things, those who have had something go wrong will always say don't do it, whereas those who have never had a problem will say do it - at the end of the day mate its up to you  :wink:

Just because something else is more dangerous doesn't make the other thing less dangerous.:wink:

OP- have you thought about a BMC CDA or Neuspeed P-Flo? they are located in the bay.

On a side note I think you can get filter 'jackets' that can stop water but I'd thought they'd stop air as well!
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: the_stink on 04 June 2009, 14:53
well ash had his inside a bottle didnt he? and well his died  :undecided:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: T_J_G on 04 June 2009, 14:55
well ash had his inside a bottle didnt he? and well his died  :undecided:

Think Ash's was exposed and I was at the same meet when it happened (as my car died as well-as well as a few others) and although the rain was heavy it wasn't flooded. So there is still a risk.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: AlanD on 04 June 2009, 14:58
The days everyone's car broke down at Brands when it rained was just mental. I still to this day have never driven in such heavy rain on the way home, was doing 30 - 40 on the motorway as you just couldn't see because the wipers couldn't keep up.

Robs MK2 also gave up that night.
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: bully85 on 04 June 2009, 15:02
get it off off off trust me :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Induction kit dangerous?
Post by: cam_paseo on 04 June 2009, 15:37
i will :P