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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: mk3valver on 18 May 2009, 11:48
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Hi, just had a look on boney bradleys golf spec page http://boneybradley.webs.com/therange.htm
It say's that one of the differences between the 8v and the 16v is that the 16v has traction control???
any one know whether this is right or not? Cheer's
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Think its part of the ABS function but not sure when and how it works!
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Ah right, my ABS aint workin anyway so nevermind!
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Think its part of the ABS function but not sure when and how it works!
Yeh apparently its tied into the abs system and is very basic, only works under 30 mph, my old vr had it.
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Cheer's I'll have a look in my manual
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If you were to ragg it off the lights, and went over a drain and lost traction on that wheel it would kick in. But only up to 30mph. Its very very basic.
Dont asume with it working you can go sideways down a motorway at 90mph. lol :P
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If I rag it in 1st gear in the wet it will spin? But like I said my light doesn't come on for my abs so I think that's broken?
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Traction control or not your wheels will still spin flooring it in first. Mines got ESP (Electronic Stability Program) which is the same thing effectively and can spin them in 3rd, it just tries to minimise the amount of time they spin by killing power.
I dont know how they work on the MK3 but common sense would assume that there would be some sort of light that indicates its currently active.
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Traction control or not your wheels will still spin flooring it in first. Mines got ESP (Electronic Stability Program) which is the same thing effectively and can spin them in 3rd, it just tries to minimise the amount of time they spin by killing power.
I dont know how they work on the MK3 but common sense would assume that there would be some sort of light that indicates its currently active.
When i had a 07 passast on hire, it has ESP, and Chassis something, abs this, computer that. And everytime u floored it, it would flash lights and scream at you. :/
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Yeah, I cant floor mine as (without trying to sound like a prick) there is too much power and the wheels will spin from a stand still or slowly moving. Its all about progressive power and throttle control.
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Yeah, I cant floor mine as (without trying to sound like a prick) there is too much power and the wheels will spin from a stand still or slowly moving. Its all about progressive power and throttle control.
Indeed, best way to beat someone, obviously on a track,is to pull away, get moving, then give it some beans. I always find.
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^ Yep, get out of first and second as fast as you can and nail it in 3rd is my technique of choice :)
So far so good.
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i tend to nail it in 2nd all the way to about 6k. lol
Element of suprise too, they think they have won, until u go wooping past. lol
(At santa pod obvs)
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Yeah, you make a point, my tyres are on their last legs so the grip isnt what it used to be. Depends on conditions, If I can get away nicely and get to about 3.5K revs in 2nd and gun they will spin but not for long and it will pull like a train. Sometimes I can fluff it and just wont get anywhere (due to spin) and then need to move into 3rd and often its too late by then. If I can pull off flooring it in 2nd and not losing too much on spin my MK5 can really hold its own against a lot of cars. I get so mad at myself when I balls it up though lol :( GEEERRR
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Yeah, i hate it when i stuff it up. lol
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Car's that I have driven with traction have spun a little but the whole aim of traction is to lay more power to the floor so better take off, so don't spin for long. ESP work's when driving to maintain the correct line that your steering through corner's in the event of a skid or loss of traction. But what I was saying about mine is it will spin all the way through 1st gear and if the traction (if it has got traction) was working it wouldn't do that it would stop the spin.
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Car's that I have driven with traction have spun a little but the whole aim of traction is to lay more power to the floor so better take off, so don't spin for long. ESP work's when driving to maintain the correct line that your steering through corner's in the event of a skid or loss of traction. But what I was saying about mine is it will spin all the way through 1st gear and if the traction (if it has got traction) was working it wouldn't do that it would stop the spin.
Yeah it would kill your power till you dont spin. Tbh i dont think the traction control is anymore than the ABS on the mk3, just something to put in the brochure.
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You know this common abs fault, what normally is the main issue? My light never light's up.
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You know this common abs fault, what normally is the main issue? My light never light's up.
Does the light turn on when you start the car. If not then i suspect the bulb has been taken out to hide the fault.
Wether its working or not it should light up when u start it, then go off if working.
Normal faults are the wheel speed sensors. Easy to replace, but everyone presumes an abs fault is the end of the world, pulls the bulb out, and lies. lol
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Im gonna go and check, thank's mike :smiley:
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Im gonna go and check, thank's mike :smiley:
No probs. I would suggest buying a fault code reader, i got one from talktomycar.co.uk for like £17, and tells u all the faults.
I have replaced all of my abs sensors over time. Not too hard. :) Or expensive!
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Yep the bulb's smashed up inside but I cant get it out, might have to buy a new unit when I do the sensor's. Ive seen people taking about vag coms and stuff, can you fix the faults yourself? Like, I've seen people say that they've cleared the faults, do they have any other tool's?
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VAG.com is good, but u can get a reader for cheaper, that will erase the fault codes for you and read them. VAG.com can do all sorts of fancy stuff, but also if used wrong can cause big problems. As you can edit things.
I have this: http://www.talktomycar.co.uk/products/codereaders/mj001.htm
And reads codes for engine, abs, etc etc. And can clear the codes.
Best advice would be to fix the light. Erase all the codes (as old ones will still be on there that may be fixed)
Drive the car for a few days 100miles or so. Then read the faults and you will know what is and isnt broken.
Also abs faults can be intermitant. Once my abs light would stay off but when it rained it would come on, as the sensor was shagged and water got in, but when it dried out it was ok, lol.
Thats the best advise i can give you from my personal experience of owning a mk3 for too long. haha
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So get the reader befroe doing the sensors? I'll get one at the end of the month. Hope there idiot proof :grin:
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Cheer's for your help again mate :smiley:
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Well that way you will know exactly whats broken. You can test each sensor with a multimeter and test its resitance. But its a bit fidly/time consuming.
Up to you mate. But you have to do 4 wheels to test them all. And jacking my car up takes all day, before i fiddle with a multimeter behind a brake disc blindly. lol
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the traction control on the mk3 uses the abs solonoid to apply the brakes to the wheel/s that are/is spinning, when we had the snow i could hear the relay clicking every time the wheels would loose grip but nothing happend and the wheels kept spinning? maybee its broken.
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Yeah or maybe it's just s***e :grin:
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Yeah or maybe it's just s***e :grin:
Spot on there. lol. Got to remember the mk3 was made 1993-1997. First era of mass production cars to have abs, airbags, traction control and all that. Obviously the mk2 rallye had it pre 1993 but that was a rally car!
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just off topic for a moment I need a rubber for my beesting base now does it fit over the aerial externaly like stretch it over or do you have to drop the headlinding and undo the aerial?
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just off topic for a moment I need a rubber for my beesting base now does it fit over the aerial externaly like stretch it over or do you have to drop the headlinding and undo the aerial?
i reckon drop it, if you stretched it over, it wouldnt fit right as it would be stretched.
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Cheer's
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Hmm, interesting all this TC talk. My dad and I have had a long running, if good natured, debate over whether my Mk.3 Valver should have it. He says it should and can produce old VW brochures from his days of VR6 ownership to prove it. I can provide practical evidence of its absence! I know my ABS is working, again by practical experiment, but whether the TC part is nadgered or was just never there I don't know.
S.M.
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My 8v has traction control. Its called my right foot. lol.
Think people presume some 2009 ferrari traction control, from a 1993 system! lol
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Its a basic system that applies the brakes to the spinning wheel. As Mike says don't expect anything fancy from a 1990's TC system.
It will only work if your abs system works.
Use your right foot with a bit of finnesse (spelling) and you won't need it.
Saying that we were spinning the wheels in first second and third this morning at Keevil airfield in the heavy rain this morning. No finnesse shown with the right foot whatsoever.
Paul
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^ Yep, get out of first and second as fast as you can and nail it in 3rd is my technique of choice :)
So far so good.
Yeah ive seen you go over the flyover, hows it handle over the bumpy curve
Still reckon i could do ya :laugh:
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lol you from Croydon aswell? What are you in? I shall keep an eye out.
If you saw a black MK5 booting over the flyover with a GolfGTI.co.uk sticker in the back it wasnt me ok ;)
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^ Yep, get out of first and second as fast as you can and nail it in 3rd is my technique of choice :)
So far so good.
Interesting. I've always found it better to really wring out second before going for third (not that I do it too often; I do have some respect for the old girl's advancing years!). I don't know if all Mk.3 Valvers had the same set of ratios but mine (M-plate/'95) has a hell of a gap between 2nd and 3rd. I find that, unless she's really humming in 2nd, she's perilously close to dropping off the cam when you hit 3rd. Which can be a bit of an arse clencher under certain circumstances...
S.M.
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^ Yep, get out of first and second as fast as you can and nail it in 3rd is my technique of choice :)
So far so good.
Interesting. I've always found it better to really wring out second before going for third (not that I do it too often; I do have some respect for the old girl's advancing years!). I don't know if all Mk.3 Valvers had the same set of ratios but mine (M-plate/'95) has a hell of a gap between 2nd and 3rd. I find that, unless she's really humming in 2nd, she's perilously close to dropping off the cam when you hit 3rd. Which can be a bit of an arse clencher under certain circumstances...
S.M.
agree
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Gears?!?!? wtf are those, I just thought i had an extra high pitched engine?? :embarassed:
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Hit the redline then change up = no problem.
Isn't that what the red marks are for on the rev counter - to tell you when to change up.
Paul
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I remember a few guys off the old veedubbers forum messing aroudn with these and disabling it on the 16V and VR6 cars as it's a pretty rudimentary (and killjoy) system....
8v = no traction control, even if it has ABS.
16V and VR6 both have the same / virutally identical traction control system.
It uses the same sensors as the ABS, so if you ABS is indeed knackered, then there's a fair chance it won't work as ABS usually breaks at the sensors end, not the control unit.
Traction control has what I am pretty sure is a separate control unit and if I remember correctly, it's located under the rear seat somewhere.
It is possible to disable TC by disconnecting this, but not sure on the impact on ABS or if you have to just replace the 16V/VR6 TC unit with an 8V ABS unit to get ABS only.