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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: the dude on 15 May 2009, 19:46
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Hi all.
Currently looking at getting a MK5, as my MK3 has pretty much packed up on me, the one I have seen has DSG gears, how have you all found going from a manual to a DSG gearbox? Do you find it ok, or does your left foot feel a bit lost?
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I took to the DSG like a duck to water. It is a great box (i've had 3 DSG cars already :shocked:)
I do like to drop back into a manual every now and then, if only to remember how antiquated they are :rolleyes: :wink:
*ducks and hides from manual owner comments*
Now I've had the DSG box mapped it really is an F1 box for the road :cool:
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It's no different than the first feelings you get driving any new car until you become familiar.
There's loads written about DSG (S-tronic in Audi's). Just DON'T think of it as an automatic! When in M-mode (Manual) think manual and shift gears at exactly the same times as you usually do.
I haven't time right now to write more......There's a learning curve but it's only because of getting used to so many optional combinations before it all flows naturally.
:afro: Hope this helps!
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Tried it.. didnt like it. but that was only a short test drive, where i think the focus is on the box a little too much as opposed to driving.
I think like with everything you have to give it a fair test run which usually involves I would say atleast 6 months of ownership. Unfortunately Im not that patient nor did i think it warranted the £1k premium... but wouldnt rule one out in future just to give it a try :wink:
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I came from a CTR with (arguably) one of the best gearboxes going. I love the DSG and, although i miss the feel of a perfect change every now and again, i dont miss manual.
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I'm a die hard manual driver, but took the 'risk' of buying a DGS car as I knew I had to spend more than a few hours getting used to its characteristics.
I've had my car for just over 5 weeks now and I'm still not fully acclimatised!
At first I thought I'd made a big mistake;
When in D mode, the box wanted to change up into 6th at practically any speed, so when I wanted to accelerate I'd be in completely the wrong gear and I'd have to use kickdown which was usually more acceleration than I actually wanted, so I'd lift off and it would immediately change up!
When in S mode the car refused to change gear, so on slowish roundabouts I'd be sitting at 5-6k rpm tootling round - must've looked like an idiot!
I was just about to give up when I thought I'd give manual mode (via then paddles) a go - aha, that's what all the fuss is about! So much better, holds the gear for you, but still drops down when you brake so you're pretty much always in the right gear, but crucially, YOU decide when you want it to change up. Gear changes seem quicker too.
Still getting used to the rather small paddles, but they do fall to hand if you drive at 1/4 to 3 position on the wheel.
I'm still learning its capabilities, but the more I get used to it, the more I like it.
HTH.
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At first I thought I'd made a big mistake;
When in D mode, the box wanted to change up into 6th at practically any speed, so when I wanted to accelerate I'd be in completely the wrong gear and I'd have to use kickdown which was usually more acceleration than I actually wanted, so I'd lift off and it would immediately change up!
When in S mode the car refused to change gear, so on slowish roundabouts I'd be sitting at 5-6k rpm tootling round - must've looked like an idiot!
....Let me try and help you with this.
Think of D-mode as the DSG doing its utmost to give you maximum economy by it shifting gears to keep the revs down. It's also very useful and stress-free when in traffic crawls etc or around town at 30 mph.
Think of S-mode as Sports mode as the DSG does its utmost to hang on to each gear until it reaches its optimum highest revs. It also works as you reduce speed and it comes down the box.
M-mode is, as you are now discovering, the DSG equivalent of 'conventional' manual.
Now, this is where it gets interesting: At any time you are in D or S you can override it with the paddles (or nudge floor stick) to be in whichever gear you want. If you've stayed in one gear for about 30 seconds without change, it reverts back automatically to where it was (D or S). Or you can switch to M and carry on. There's lots more ways of mixing up the options and it becomes very good fun and you can't bugger your clutch (unless you are Hurdy! :evil:).
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Still getting used to the rather small paddles, but they do fall to hand if you drive at 1/4 to 3 position on the wheel.
In that case you need something like these. They make it even easier to use in manual. :cool:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/Interior%20carbon%20fibre/Interiorcarbonfibre005.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/Interior%20carbon%20fibre/Interiorcarbonfibre019.jpg)
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You can also hold the pedal to revert it back to 'automatic' :wink:
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:laugh: Hi There , Ive had two gear box mk5 GTI's, and two DSG's . Its brilliant once you get to know the tricks bloody excllent. Just get it with DSG fantastic piece of enginering (amazing) I wouldn't be with out now enjoy Steve Edt30 DSG. :grin:
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There's lots more ways of mixing up the options and it becomes very good fun and you can't bugger your clutch (unless you are Hurdy! :evil:).
Oi!!! :grin:
I must admit that this DSG remap has fundamentally altered the car. To say it is a revellation is an understatement. A quick blast over the Snake and back reveal that the box is tighter now than a camel's arse in a sandstorm, smoother than silk over a womans pert parts and madder than Mad jack McMad from Madstreet Madchester. :evil:
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Now, I was very much with you about a camel's arse in a sandstorm and also smoother than silk over a woman's pert parts, but I lost you over the Mad Jack etc.
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Now, I was very much with you about a camel's arse in a sandstorm and also smoother than silk over a woman's pert parts, but I lost you over the Mad Jack etc.
That might by my driving style then :evil: :laugh: :embarassed:
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When in D mode, the box wanted to change up into 6th at practically any speed, so when I wanted to accelerate I'd be in completely the wrong gear and I'd have to use kickdown which was usually more acceleration than I actually wanted, so I'd lift off and it would immediately change up!
As already mentioned, when in D mode you can still use the paddles to pop it down a gear or two for overtaking, so that you're not having to use kick-down. This manual override capability is what convinced me that I'd made the right choice choosing DSG.
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When in S mode the car refused to change gear,
Priceless :grin: got to be sig worthy :laugh:
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thanks guys, it doesnt sound too difficult to get used to, going to have a look tomorrow, and will hopefully get a test out of it.
Still use manuals at work, so don't think theres much fear of me forgetting what to do with that 3rd pedal.
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It depends if you want to be a real man or a cheating fairy :laugh:
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I have spent time with DSG in two cars and there is no doubt it is a great bit of kit. But the car still drives itself at times.
I personally prefer the whole throwing a lever thing & being in a place where I want to be and when.
The A4 S-line is up for a change & a 2.0T is a serious think. Will it be an S-Tronic.........I am not so sure & it is not because of the dosh.
It's horses for courses at the end of the day.
Thinking about it....didn't that bird on one of the car shows give it the biggin round a track with a S-Tronic & manual TT. Which one did she prefer.
ta
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I love my DSG dont think i could go back to a manual, probably becuase i am a lazy f**ker!!! :grin: :grin: :grin:
At the end of the day its personal preference, but give DSG a chance will grown on you...
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I like my DSG too. Only because I have a dodgy left knee because I am old and decrepit. Seriously, you can treat it like a manual if you want, but then why not save some cash and get a manual?
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Its the choice bit to be honest, if i feel lazy and can not be arsed i.e the comute to work in the morning i can put it in D and just go back to sleep.
However Friday night on the way home i can drop it into manual and have hours off fun :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Love it!!!
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Well the wife misses the manual.......
She misses slipping the clutch
She misses stalling at the lights when she doesn't put enough revs on
She misses kangarooing off the line
She misses...missing gearshifts
She misses the aching left leg in traffic jams
She misses rolling backwards on hill starts (Okay the DSG does this sometimes!!)
Most of all she misses me shouting at her when she used to do all the above :grin:
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^^^ Sounds like she missed a few driving lessons too there Hurdy!! :grin: :grin:
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^^^ Sounds like she missed a few driving lessons too there Hurdy!! :grin: :grin:
You could be right :rolleyes:....but FFS don't tell her!!!!!