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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Jayy on 25 April 2009, 22:52
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-V-BLACK-ANGEL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-HEADLAMPS-NEW_W0QQitemZ400027190691QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item400027190691&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
im not too keen on the angel eye bit,
however there projecter type, put togther with an hid kit, wouldnt these be a really good xenon alternative?
im just wondering if the angel eyes bit could be cancelled out....
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I like them, but then I would as I have them :wink:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/CleanedED30pics24032009043.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/Sunrise%20pics/Sunrise014a.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/Sunrise%20pics/Sunrise015a.jpg)
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looking at them pictures, of urs, instead of the bogus ebay ones, makes them look brilliant! have you got any with the headlamps on? do the led lights come on auto? or do you need ur side lights on? any more pics mate? looks nice thou!
only reason i asked, is because im fixing a damaged gti, and i want some thing close to xenon, without paying 800+
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I also have them and also love them :smiley: You don't have to wire up the angel eyes to anything, so you can leave them out if you want :smiley: You'll just have to tuck away the two wires for them. I haven't installed mine properly yet, just tested, because I want to wire up the LEDs as DRLs instead of linking them to the sidelights. Haven't had the time to do it yet :sad:
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Yeah they look pretty sweet.
Did everyone that has these buy them from ebay?
Any pics with the headlights on?
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Hurdy, I guess that the small inner lights are the indicators?
As others have said, would love to see a photo of them fully lit up. Also, what's the wiring like, do they use the OEM style connectors (is are they plug & play) ?
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Angel eyes work fantastic on some cars, and on others, they're crap. Not sure about the mk5.
Love the DRL strip at the bottom though.
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i wanna see what a hid kit would look like through the projectors!
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Hurdy, I guess that the small inner lights are the indicators?
As others have said, would love to see a photo of them fully lit up. Also, what's the wiring like, do they use the OEM style connectors (is are they plug & play) ?
Yes, the inner ones are the indicators.
I'll try and dig out some lit pics :smiley:
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Found 'em. :smiley:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/hlight006.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/hlight005.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/hlight004.jpg)
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f00k me! They look stunning!
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2nd that they don't half look smart :grin: What blubs are you using & how do they light up the road compared with the std candles?
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wow.. the picture really says a thousand words! look just like xenons!
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There definitely next on the to do list. Did you order them from that link on ebay? Do they come with bulbs?
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i think to get the xenon effect your going to need a h.i.d kit, with resistors, around 60-100 on ebay but well worth it
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CHAV TASTIC!!!!!!! :sick:
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2nd that they don't half look smart :grin: What blubs are you using & how do they light up the road compared with the std candles?
....They DON'T light up the road - Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition. This is expected to become law on all new cars in the UK soon. The new top of the range Alfa's have the same Hella LED DRL's as mine.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Meets/A34Meet.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Carbonfibre/RED_29Mar09.jpg)
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2nd that they don't half look smart :grin: What blubs are you using & how do they light up the road compared with the std candles?
....They DON'T light up the road - Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition. This is expected to become law on all new cars in the UK soon. The new top of the range Alfa's have the same Hella LED DRL's as mine.
Ermmm,
I think he meant what do the headlights (projector) light the road like in comparison to the OEM lights? - No mention of DRLs!!
Also, Id like to know the answer to this, also some more info on what wiring needs to be done?
Personally, I like the angel eyes and would like to know more about wiring em up!
Andy
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....They DON'T light up the road - Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition. This is expected to become law on all new cars in the UK soon. The new top of the range Alfa's have the same Hella LED DRL's as mine.
Ermmm,
I think he meant what do the headlights (projector) light the road like in comparison to the OEM lights? - No mention of DRLs!!
Also, Id like to know the answer to this, also some more info on what wiring needs to be done?
Personally, I like the angel eyes and would like to know more about wiring em up!
Andy
Yep I meant the lights themselves, not too bothered about the side lights :grin: :grin: sorry DrL's... :evil: any excuse to post a pic of that fine motor.... I have seen the genuine hella projector lights that look dead ringers for the OEM Xenons, but seem right pricey at £400 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=350194770686
These seem a reasonable alternative - if they actually light up the road???
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Sorry! A misunderstanding - I thought that the discussion meandered into Hurdy's headlights which he got for their integrated LED's (I assume they qualify as DRL's).
Anyroadup, I AM a picture whore :evil:
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hurdy, awesome pics
the sky looks ace
only gripe is how the angel light doesn't go all the way round in light, but apart from that it's cool
any adverse effects with these?
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Right, let's see if I can answer everyones questions here. :smiley:
The projector lights are brighter than the stock halogens. The lighting in the close-up pics are with the original lights that came with the headlights when I bought them. I removed the original lights for Osram nightbreakers which are even better. I replaced the "egg yolk" indicator lights for Philips silver ones...purely for visual effect when they AREN'T on!. The Angel eyes don't go all the way around as they have to have a power inlet source like ALL angel eyes do (yes, even on BMW's). The sidelights are still the originals and if I want to change them I will literally have to remove the front bumper and grill, take out the headlight housing and then change them. :nerd:
I bought the headlights from a trader at the Ultimate Dubs Show in 2008 and he trades through the website linked below
http://www.auto-performance-parts.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=VW40L24S
I'm not an electrician myself, but even I can see that the wiring can be separated into different circuits to accomodate a number of options:-
Running the angel eyes, DRLs and sidelights together (my option)
Running the DRL's separately and having the angel eyes and sidelights on together
Running the Angel eyes, DRL's and sidelights separatey.
If you wanted you could even splice either the angel eyes or/and the DRL's into the fog light circuit (not sure how legal or useful this would be though!)
HTH :cool:
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Thanks for clarifying that, Hurdy :afro:
For your LED DRL's to qualify as EC-legal, they would need to be wired so that they come on automatically with ignition and automatically go off whenever any of your other lights are switched on. So, in other words, run separately from sidelights/angel eyes.
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Sorry for digging this up again.
Has anyone bought the headlight from the seller on ebay?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-V-BLACK-ANGEL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-HEADLAMPS-NEW_W0QQitemZ400027190691QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item400027190691&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#ht_500wt_956 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-V-BLACK-ANGEL-EYE-HEADLIGHTS-HEADLAMPS-NEW_W0QQitemZ400027190691QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item400027190691&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1683%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318#ht_500wt_956)
Are they the same item that can be purchased from here
http://www.auto-performance-parts.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=VW40L24S (http://www.auto-performance-parts.co.uk/proddetail.php?prod=VW40L24S)
As it works out about £30 cheaper to buy them from the ebay seller.
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however there projecter type, put togther with an hid kit, wouldnt these be a really good xenon alternative?
Nope, they would be highly illegal, dangerous, and would invalidate your insurance! :rolleyes:
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Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition.
So how come all Audis have a switch to turn OFF the DRLs? :tongue:
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Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition.
So how come all Audis have a switch to turn OFF the DRLs? :tongue:
....The various countries in Europe are supposed to be adhering to the same rules but continue to debate and argue until such rules become established as law. Believe me - I've read very lengthy studies and documents on the subject. At present the car manufacturers are able to interpret how they are switched etc to suit themselves. At present Audi are doing whatever they are wanting to be doing within what they find is allowable / or what they can getaway with - Don't ask me exactly what the written detail is!
The documentation which came with my Hella LED DRL's is very clear and refers to specific rulings. So naturally, I have wired and switched them accordingly as I wish to stay out of trouble. Mine also have all the legally correct markings moulded into the lens.
I was at Brands Hatch today and saw an Alfa in the paddock with round LED DRL's like mine and in the 'fog light' location. Also, I've seen German Scirocco Police cars with exactly the same as mine.
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(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/BIALI/DRLs_Alfa.jpg)
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am I right in saying the Mk 6 Golf has DRL's as I've seen alot running around with their lights on!?
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am I right in saying the Mk 6 Golf has DRL's as I've seen alot running around with their lights on!?
....Yes it has lights which function as DRL's but they're not LED and are rather yellow. A sort of cross between a sidelight and a dipped headlight.
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Proper DRL's are passive signal lights and NOT lights you put on at night. In fact it's illegal in Europe to run proper DRL's at night and they also must be wired to come on automatically with ignition.
So how come all Audis have a switch to turn OFF the DRLs? :tongue:
....The various countries in Europe are supposed to be adhering to the same rules but continue to debate and argue until such rules become established as law. Believe me - I've read very lengthy studies and documents on the subject. At present the car manufacturers are able to interpret how they are switched etc to suit themselves. At present Audi are doing whatever they are wanting to be doing within what they find is allowable / or what they can getaway with - Don't ask me exactly what the written detail is!
I would very strongly doubt that Audi are doing whatever they want! :rolleyes:
Audi are arguably one of the WORLDs leaders in safety technologies, and in Automotive Engineering in general. Audi would categorically NOT make up their own 'rules', and would NOT ignore any existing EU rules! I strongly suggest that something has gotten 'lost in translation'. I have personally been studying both the legal framwork, and the technical developments of cars (and other motor vehicles) with 'lights on in daylight conditions' for over 25 years - so considerably longer than the current craze of everyone wanting to 'copy' Audi. And there is categorically NO requirement for the current specific DRLs to be permanently illuminated whilst the ignition is on! :rolleyes:
The documentation which came with my Hella LED DRL's is very clear and refers to specific rulings.
I think you have taken the instructions from Hella as more than what they are pertaining to be. What do they say about individual vehicle EU Type Approval? What do they say about country-specific road traffic regulations acts?
Mine also have all the legally correct markings moulded into the lens.
And would you honestly expect Hella to sell non-'E' approved lighting? :shocked:
I was at Brands Hatch today and saw an Alfa in the paddock with round LED DRL's like mine and in the 'fog light' location.
Erm, they arn't the same as your Hellas - they are the traditional Alfa 'cloverleaf' design! And the rest of the car is as ugly as sin too!
Also, I've seen German Scirocco Police cars with exactly the same as mine.
I strongly suggest that Hella were making those round-style LED DRLs long before you became the 'official advert' for them! :wink:
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am I right in saying the Mk 6 Golf has DRL's as I've seen alot running around with their lights on!?
Yup. There are actually loads of German cars with DRLs - Audis have had them (though as an option on their 'lesser' models) since around 2004. Porsche and Opel (in the Insignia) now have them as standard fit. BMW seem to be the only ones not to implement DRLs, maybe because it will have a negative effect on their angel eyes.
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Thanks for your long reply, Sean but I'm afraid that I find much of it incredibly pedantic and nit-picking.
I didn't say that my Hella DRL's were the "same" as that beautiful Alfa's - I said they were "like" mine.
Of course I would expect Hella to only sell approved lighting - My point was that being thus marked, someone ignorant would not be able to claim they were fog lights.
When I wrote about Audi doing "whatever they want!" I should have perhaps expanded that to say "whatever they would prefer to do but all within the regulations" - In fact I did write: "At present Audi are doing whatever they are wanting to be doing within what they find is allowable / or what they can getaway with - Don't ask me exactly what the written detail is!" in the post with the Alfa pic (which obviously distracted you). I praise Audi for their design creativity and solutions.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/HellaDRL_p8.jpg)
^ Doubtless you will find something to challenge about this! :grin:
I really can't be arsed to spend my time trawling through the many documents/studies and consultations I have read about DRL's - Documents from all over Europe - in order to answer all your points.
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Robin, the point I was trying to make with the Hellas, and the regulations in general - is simply down to 'pedantics'. So just like if an owners manual said something like: in order for the engine to be running, the ignition must be on. I think we'd all agree that that statement is fundamentally correct - but if you 'reversed' the sentance to something like when the ignition is on, the engine will always be running - and we all know that that second statement is incorrect. And this is exactly the same with DRLs - yes, they must only work when the ignition is on - but just like you can have the ignition on and the engine off, you can also have the ignition on, but the DRLs can still also be off!
And that scan of your DRL instructions is just fitting instructions, and nothing more. But what is more alarming, is that those dimensions they show are for FOG lamps, and have nothing to do with DRLs. Finally, there is nothing in the regs about DRLs which MUST be turned off when normal headlamps are used - again, both Audi and Porsche have DRLs which are able to be used at the same time as the normal headlamps (be they Xenon or halogen).
As usual - even though you think I am 'nit-picking' - as the old saying goes, the devil is in the detail - and the detail comprehensively is at odds with some of your claims! :smiley:
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Hi Sean :smiley: - I do accept that I may be proved wrong in some of my detail but all I can do is present information to the best of my knowledge.
I am convinced that amongst all my research reading before buying these Hella DRL's I read about the switching off when other lights were switched on because some countries were making this a ruling. But anyway..
I could have wired them so the switching was different but chose to follow what I believed to be the imminent rule.
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As a motorcyclist I flash my GTI's headlights at cars running lights in broad daylight.
It's just not fair on the bikers.
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As a motorcyclist I flash my GTI's headlights at cars running lights in broad daylight.
Why? :huh:
It's just not fair on the bikers.
I think you need to be more worried about the general standard of driving of some cage owners, rather than worry about weather they have lights on in the daylight or not!
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As a motorcyclist I flash my GTI's headlights at cars running lights in broad daylight.
It's just not fair on the bikers.
....I've never been flashed by a motorcyclist but I am frequently given a thumbs up or acknowledgement for pulling over both ahead and behind. My DRL's at at low level (fog light position) - Do you flash your lights (in your car!? :shocked:) because some DRL's are at headlight level? You flash every Audi?
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As a motorcyclist I flash my GTI's headlights at cars running lights in broad daylight.
It's just not fair on the bikers.
Why would a motor cyclist be affected by running lights in the day? You must spend all day flashing cars, I read somewhere that cars with their lights on in the day are statistically less likely to involved in accidents, maybe its just because they are mostly slow Volvo drivers though :rolleyes:.
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Why would a motor cyclist be affected by running lights in the day?
....Studies have shown [waits for T_T to ask which studies :evil:] that an average size car using its headlights (whether dipped or not) as daytime running lights can mask the presence of a motorbike in front of it, helped by the lights being at a similar height.
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Why would a motor cyclist be affected by running lights in the day?
....Studies have shown [waits for T_T to ask which studies :evil:] that an average size car using its headlights (whether dipped or not) as daytime running lights can mask the presence of a motorbike in front of it, helped by the lights being at a similar height.
I am aware of ONE study which tries to state that motorcyclists are somehow masked when a car uses headlamps during the daylight. However, there are considerably greater studies which actually PROOVE that using headlamps during the daylightn makes a significant reduction in accidents - for ALL road users. Which is why, in many European countries (and not just 'Scandanavian', they actually include southern Europe too), it is a LEGAL requirement to have headlamps on even in the daylight, when driving outside of built up areas. Many US states, and virtually all Canadian states also have this law.
But regarding the specifics of motorcyclists - they, just like all other road users, MUST be responsible for their own 'conspicutancy' 'visibility. Far too often, motorcylists wear black or dark coloured leathers, ride a dark coloured bike, and 'place' their motorbike in such a position on the road that they are often in other vehicles blind spots. I use either a white or very light grey patterned helmet, I wear very high visibility clothing (my leathers are bright yellow, as are my waterproofs), and I ride a bright yellow bike - and I have NEVER (searches for some substancial chunks of wood to fondle) had any 'situations' where I havn't been visible to other road users. Some motorcyclists are far too keen to blame 'other road users', but they really need to look at themselves first!
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However, there are considerably greater studies which actually PROOVE that using headlamps during the daylightn makes a significant reduction in accidents - for ALL road users. Which is why, in many European countries (and not just 'Scandanavian', they actually include southern Europe too), it is a LEGAL requirement to have headlamps on even in the daylight, when driving outside of built up areas. Many US states, and virtually all Canadian states also have this law.
....I think you'll find that the DRL's don't have to be exclusively headlights but can also be other lights which comply with the regulations (such as my Hella). And yes, we are all agreed that use of DRL's increase your own visibility (why I use and support their use) and reduce potential incidents.
But regarding the specifics of motorcyclists - they, just like all other road users, MUST be responsible for their own 'conspicutancy' 'visibility. Far too often, motorcylists wear black or dark coloured leathers, ride a dark coloured bike, and 'place' their motorbike in such a position on the road that they are often in other vehicles blind spots. I use either a white or very light grey patterned helmet, I wear very high visibility clothing (my leathers are bright yellow, as are my waterproofs), and I ride a bright yellow bike - and I have NEVER (searches for some substancial chunks of wood to fondle) had any 'situations' where I havn't been visible to other road users. Some motorcyclists are far too keen to blame 'other road users', but they really need to look at themselves first!
...This Thread Is No Good Without Pics!!
We want to see pics of you in yellow leathers! :evil:
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Ha ha - no pics of me in my leathers - they are wayyyyyy too unique - and I aint posting any <cough> incriminating evidence. :lipsrsealed:
But google 'Hideout Leather', and CBR600FX, and 'Arai Astro J', and you might come up with your own 'colarge' <sp?> :wink:
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Robin, was the installation of your Hella DRLs difficult?
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Robin, was the installation of your Hella DRLs difficult?
....My VW dealer did it for me and I think had to do some VAS(?) (dealer equivalent to VCDS). They substituted the fixings for stainless with nylon washers which was good thinking on their behalf. A bit tricky because they were designed for the other Mk5 Golfs, not the GTI fog panels but where there's a will there's a way and my dealer is exceptionally helpful.
A good mate of mine who works in carbonfibre dremmelled the backs of the 'foglight' aperture for a better fit : -
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Carbonfibre/Dan_Dremmel.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/Track/RED_Tow_panel.jpg)